[14:02] *** WillyB changes topic to 'ANS Newbie Chat! -- Topic: Understanding Bandwith and Disc Space -- Welcome to the NetSurprise Chatroom!' [14:03] *** Joins: Rowdy [14:03] Afternoon [14:03] heya Rowdy :D [14:03] relik - better to look on download.com or somerthing for a windows compatible free one [14:03] hey rowdy [14:04] ok [14:04] *** Joins: juststeve [14:04] <@WillyB> afternoon Rowdy [14:04] <@WillyB> mornning juststeve [14:05] g,mvoejcie;w willyB :) [14:05] hi steve [14:05] <@WillyB> kf[sfis steve ! hehehe [14:06] hey I've just had 5 hours sleep - I've got an excuse for not being able to see the keyboard yet :)_ [14:06] <@WillyB> lol! [14:06] *** Joins: vanVulture [14:06] <@WillyB> you have an excuse just because it's 5 am steve! [14:06] <@WillyB> hi ya vanVulture [14:06] G'day all [14:06] <@WillyB> gday :-) [14:06] bloody heck what are you doing here you old reprobate :) [14:07] Thought I'd poke me ugly dial in :o) [14:07] LMAO ta Steve! ya 2 headed git ! [14:07] How's it all going WillyB? [14:08] <@WillyB> not too bad vanVulture thanks :) [14:08] <@WillyB> how are you doing today [14:08] good to hear :o) [14:08] not to bad for an old fella [14:08] old?????? your just a kid :) [14:09] thanks steve .... you do have some redeeming qualities :o) [14:09] they're bloody few and far between at this hour of the day :) [14:09] *** Joins: cheekymarie [14:10] moaning all :0 [14:10] hey cheekymarie [14:10] <@WillyB> morning cheekymarie :) [14:10] ya not wrong there, we should both be back in bed (our own) [14:10] Moaning Cheeky [14:10] :) damn can't see the keys [14:10] morning Van [14:10] Get steve off the keyboard then cheeky [14:10] Hi WillyB [14:11] lol [14:11] Heya hippydude you sure look great on your site :) [14:11] time to get another coffee BRB .... don't start anything while I'm away .... on 2nd thoughts it may be better :o))) [14:11] hi vanVulture and marie [14:12] G'day Rowdy [14:12] <@WillyB> lol cheekymarie! [14:12] <@WillyB> He is a hippy alright [14:12] Did someone say Hippy? [14:12] <@WillyB> uh oh [14:13] btw g'day Rowdy - hope you have your virus hassles sorted out? [14:13] <@WillyB> ok [14:13] *** Joins: roscoe [14:13] Hi Rowdy [14:13] <@WillyB> hi ya Roscoe :) [14:13] Hey willy [14:13] ya steve... caught it in time just took a few hours to get rid of it and close the holes on all the systems [14:13] hi roscoe [14:13] heya roscoe :D [14:13] <@WillyB> Today I thought we would talk about Bandwidth and Disk Space [14:13] Hi roscoe how you doing? [14:14] hi rowdy, relik, cheeky [14:14] sounds good WillyB [14:14] <@WillyB> I got that from the suggestions during the first weeks newbie chat [14:14] tired...three shoots in three days [14:14] <@WillyB> ok.. so you all know what bandwidth is and why you need to know? [14:14] 3 shoots - wow that sounds good [14:15] opps this is a class chat sorry guys.. [14:15] bandwidth yep - I am sure we all know about that [14:15] <@WillyB> sounds like a lot of work Rosco.. good deal [14:15] Roscoe you are allowed to pop in and say hi anytime and to chat [14:15] back and yepp WillyB [14:15] yes it was but what FUN work :))) [14:16] MONEY ! [14:16] which we want more of lol [14:16] <@WillyB> hehehe roscoe [14:16] :) hope so..samples will follow later folks ..i need some more input [14:16] so that makes Bandwidth costs more important [14:17] sounds great roscoe and van yes it does [14:17] well i am a good exaple i got my band wide bill today and i thinking about to jump into the lake outside here [14:17] Not good to hear Relik [14:17] hmmmm [14:18] oh the internet monthly rent topic huh? [14:18] <@WillyB> vanVulture.. your bandwidth costs can make or break you [14:19] <@WillyB> if you go over your bandwidth useage for a month and you do not get sales.. you will loose money instead of make money [14:19] Could not agree more WillyB, just like all businesses the differance between a good manager and not so good is looking after and managing costs [14:19] those couple thousand $ in unexpected B/W can be a wicked surprise [14:19] well a couple of hundreds is enough for me lol [14:20] <@WillyB> I have heard some horror stories alright Rowdy [14:20] <@WillyB> how do you know what you bandwidth will be and what can you do to bring it down without sacrificing traffic? [14:21] <@WillyB> that is a trick also [14:21] what your stats and watch who you submit too - [14:21] *** Joins: Hooper [14:21] well we are very tight with the resolution of our pics [14:21] hi Hooper [14:21] <@WillyB> hello Hoooper [14:21] howdy gang... good newbie learning going on? [14:21] <@WillyB> that is right steve and marie.. you keep all your filesizes as small as possibe [14:21] <@WillyB> possible [14:21] picture resolution, extra banners instead of text links.. and good coding all apply to a reasonable B/W bill [14:22] Minimise graphics and try and use creative html with colors, whatch and eveluate where the trafficis coming from [14:22] *** Joins: Gunner [14:22] <@WillyB> that is why we will usually tell ppl to know html as some programs will add extra code that is not nessicery [14:22] hi gunner [14:22] G'day Hooper [14:22] <@WillyB> hi ya Gunner [14:22] always Hopper .. this is a great bunch :) [14:22] heloo [14:22] G'day Gunner [14:23] yeah well we know about the extra code too lol [14:23] Hooper even... :) [14:23] a page that should have been about 9.4 kb was over 90kb in extra code [14:23] <@WillyB> extra banners roscoe? [14:23] <@WillyB> ooops [14:23] <@WillyB> I mean extra banners Rowdy [14:24] *** Quits: Hooper (QUIT: User exited) [14:24] using banners when a text link would work better... sometimes banner useage is good and other times you need to keep file sizes in mind and go with text instead [14:24] <@WillyB> lol marie.. and that can kill you and put you back out in the real world with a good listing somewhere [14:24] well I picked it up quick, but not until I had uploaded about 20 pages for Marie's Place [14:24] <@WillyB> I see.. I thought you were saying extra banners help B/W bill... I KNEW you didn't mean it that way! LOL [14:25] well my chock was this moth the b/w bill was 4 times bigger then in AUG ! thats pretty much ..and i can not understand how it culd happend.. [14:25] dreamweaver2 added extra coding when I hadn't asked for it [14:25] <@WillyB> did you get more traffic Relik? [14:25] Reli.. been keeping a close eye on your server stats? [14:26] *** Joins: Buzzard [14:26] Rowdy thats the problem :}my hosting has a bad stat program.. [14:26] hello all [14:26] hi Buzzard [14:26] <@WillyB> Also Relik.. some of the smarter surfers will see you keep your pics in a certain dir and if you do nnot have and index page in the pic dir.they can just get your pics [14:26] <@WillyB> hello Buzzard [14:26] all the older visual web editors piled on the extra code, but for instance I use dreamweaver4 the latest version, and it look asis I wrote it myself - only what is necessary [14:26] WillyB you mean they downloading them? [14:27] Relik ... ya... good stats are needed... when I first started out and didn't have stats, I had a 20$ a month site run me 400$ when it got hotlinked [14:27] <@WillyB> Dreamwweaver is a good program [14:27] yeah we use dreamweaver4 now too and haven't had a prob since then [14:27] *** Quits: tyler (QUIT: User exited) [14:27] cheekymarie: i love it - absolutely killer app [14:27] Rowdy ya :( I need to close one server right now to be albe to pay for the second one ... also do you know a good stat program that does cost much? [14:27] <@WillyB> Relic.. I was meaning they get a dir. listing of all your pics.. so they can get away from looking at your ads all togeyther [14:28] yeah they can that on it i think [14:28] sure is, but still do somethings in html as well [14:28] like explorer with maps`? [14:28] I've noticed TGP2s have significantly decreased bandwith usage as well [14:28] Relik ... most decent hosts offer good stats anymore... willyB might have some program names for ya though [14:28] ok [14:28] Net Tracker, Web Trends, Urchin, all good stats programs [14:29] cheeky: yeah - me too - sometimes dreamweaver will "think" youre trying to do something else and wont let you get what you want. [14:29] *** Joins: vanVu|ture [14:29] Bloody hell LOL [14:29] *** Quits: vanVulture (QUIT: User exited) [14:29] <@WillyB> there is a free one also that is very good [14:29] <@WillyB> awstats [14:29] so willy are you suggesting that we should have the pics in the same directory as the html files? [14:30] <@WillyB> http://awstats.sourceforge.net/ [14:30] i use ebalizer on my linux machine , its free and pretty goo, dont know if they make it for windows [14:30] Okey thanks WillyB ! [14:30] <@WillyB> no steve [14:30] no steve.. just make sure and have an index file that redirects in your images directories [14:30] cool - that looks promising [14:30] im not abig urchin fan [14:30] <@WillyB> if your server lets the dir give listings.. I think most are configured to allow that [14:30] <@WillyB> you need to put an index.html in that dir [14:31] <@WillyB> I like to put one that will refresh in 0 seconds to a popup farm [14:31] hehe [14:31] methie - yea, i listed those in order of my preference. Urchin being last [14:31] what is a good bandwidth price /mb assuming the speed is there [14:31] Gunner: thanks for the info [14:31] Gunner: net tracker - what does it cost? [14:32] <@WillyB> usuallly the speed of the server will determine the cost of the bandwidth methie [14:32] willyb - can you explain that a bit more please? remember it is early here lol [14:32] http://www.sane.com/ [14:32] methie.. kind of depends on the base package you have but 2.50 - 3.00 seems pretty average on straight out charges [14:32] about the index.html [14:32] WillyB: yes I agree - but it seems the top fast hosts vary quite a bit - anywhere from $1/gb to 5/gb [14:32] Pro version is $495 [14:33] <@WillyB> also how much you have in the package... it will usually cost less per mb the more the package costs [14:33] <@WillyB> I've seen it up to 5 per gig [14:33] WilyB: yes - thats what ive found. Right now im on candid at $2.50 [14:34] <@WillyB> I'd say $2.50 to $3.00 is a good general estimate.. [14:34] yes [14:35] marie... you mean the index page to protect a directory? [14:35] Gunner: thanks [14:35] yep Rowdy :) [14:35] <@WillyB> You should get test the host out you are looking at also.. look at sites they are hosting during different times of the day to see how they load at different times [14:35] methie: I'd just find a host that includes the Enterprise edition of a good stats program, save yourself the $$ [14:35] don't understand how you have one in your images directory - how does that work? [14:36] <@WillyB> you just put an in index.htmlwith a meta refresh on it to get them off your site! [14:36] <@WillyB> or where ever you want them to go [14:36] ok .. if you go here (there is no index) http://www.movieplaces.com/misc/ you will see all files in that directory. But, if an index file was placed there... you would see it (or be redirected by it) to another page and not the listing of the directory contents [14:36] <@WillyB> it does not have to be anything fancy or anything [14:36] I saw some one saying that paying more than 1.50 to 2 per gig was what he was prepared to pay for TGP traffic, so I suppose it depends also on type of traffic you're receiving [14:37] Willyb, what's a meta refresh? [14:37] Gunner: good idea - who do you use for hosting? [14:37] it is a meta tag that refreshes the surfer to another page of your choice [14:37] <@WillyB> meta refresh is a metatag that refreshes to another page after so many seconds Bixer [14:38] now Willy, who sis this.... "waybackwhen.jpg"? [14:38] Van: yup for tgp I cant afford $2.50 - i make out even - no profit [14:38] such as that [14:38] *** Quits: juststeve (Connection reset by peer) [14:38] WillyB, can you give a quick html example of code for a meta refresh? [14:38] ok - willyb so where would we find the code for that [14:38] Rowdy already gave example, thanks [14:39] that code goes eithin the head tag just like meta tags for the search engines [14:39] *** Joins: juststeve [14:39] WB juststeve [14:40] thanks Rowdy didn't see that you had already given us the answer before I asked [14:40] no prob :) [14:40] LOL with cheekymarie too early/not enough coffee [14:40] *** Joins: tia [14:40] <@WillyB> ok cool Bixer.. thanks Rowdy.. Was looking for that! [14:41] Hi guys :) [14:41] G'day tia [14:41] not enough coffee - still got my eyes closed lol [14:41] hello tia [14:41] <@WillyB> hi tia :-) [14:41] uhohit's her [14:41] hi tia:) [14:41] lol [14:41] you're a brave man Buzzard :) [14:41] <@WillyB> rofl! [14:42] *** Joins: Keev [14:42] <@WillyB> hi ya Keev [14:42] lol.. yes he is juststeve :) [14:42] or crazyjuststevelol [14:42] whats up people just taking a breakwhats the haps [14:42] hi tia [14:42] or both? Buzzard [14:42] *** Joins: Annieb [14:42] hiya Rowdy, Willy, everyone :) [14:42] <@WillyB> hi ya Annieb [14:43] G'day Annieb [14:43] Hi AnnieB [14:43] Hi AnnieB [14:43] hey AnnieB :_ [14:43] AnnieBheya [14:43] hi Willyb [14:43] *group hug* [14:43] :)) [14:43] anyone want to comment on the MS Smart Tags [14:43] <@WillyB> Does anyone NOT know how to tell how much bandwidth one server will use going to your site? [14:43] <@WillyB> server = surfer [14:43] woooooo hooooo all this chat and GROUP hugs also! [14:44] <@WillyB> lol [14:44] :D [14:44] Gunner.. I've been adding them to new sites [14:44] <@WillyB> Annieb is sweet vanVu|ture ;) [14:44] WillyB: me - is there some sort of formula? [14:44] don't get too excited Van :) [14:44] lol now you know what you have been missing out on [14:44] <@WillyB> it is very easy methie [14:44] WillyB hugged me in a strange wayhmmm [14:44] lol [14:44] lol [14:44] lol [14:44] Willy after all this time i really still don't know the answer to that [14:44] it's hippydude you have to watch out for lol [14:44] Rowdy, disabling them? [14:44] good url for Bandwidth converter- http://www.tdscripts.com/webmaster_utilities/bw_convert.php [14:45] well how can you calculate it- do you just add up all the pics? [14:45] yes gunner [14:45] i just squeeze it down, and pray [14:45] <@WillyB> the total size of all the files that make up your pages = bandwidth for one surfer.. if they go to every page you have [14:45] hehe Annie [14:45] [14:45] right? [14:45] yep [14:45] lol... beat me too it [14:45] :) [14:46] WillyB: yes - but how accurate is that - whenever I divide my days usage buy visitors I get a much smaller number - so most people dont look at every pic [14:46] what's that tag do Rowdy? [14:46] I'm not even using the new IE yet, so haven't seen them in action [14:46] the thumbnails weed them out [14:46] <@WillyB> if they are not cacheing your pages, you will have to allow for them going back to your main gallery page and downloading all that is on it again too [14:46] anyone here in the freehosting business? [14:46] tia .. that prevents MS from using your content as links in the newer browsers [14:47] thats true - hmmm - [14:47] or anyone have some good freehost friends who run them [14:47] <@WillyB> that is correct methie.. so if you do allow for them looking at everything.. you will be over in your estimation and will be safe when the server bill gets there ;) as long as you have been watching the stats for hot linkers etc [14:47] Rowdy: what prevents ms smarttags? [14:47] Keev , willy :D [14:48] methie ... [14:48] WillyB: what do you mean hotlinkers.......oh wait - other sites who steal your pics? [14:48] willyi need to yap at ya later [14:48] <@WillyB> Keev.. Rowdy and I co own a free host [14:48] <@WillyB> k [14:48] Rowdy: thanks - does this code disable it or enable it? [14:48] *** Joins: Unriz3n [14:48] Hi [14:48] <@WillyB> that DIS-ables it [14:48] Willy you never said who is in "waybackwhen.jpg" [14:48] yo unrizen [14:49] <@WillyB> hi Unriz3n [14:49] hi Unri [14:49] *** Joins: DerekXAMO [14:49] Guys i'm a bad spot [14:49] G'day Unriz3n [14:49] <@WillyB> hehehe Gunner.. no, I didn't! lol [14:49] hi Unriz3n [14:49] Hey Guys [14:49] G'day DerekXAMO [14:49] <@WillyB> Hi ya Derek! [14:49] hi DerekXAMO [14:49] willy : priv [14:49] ::) [14:49] WillyB: thanks [14:49] reminds me of my gas station days in high school [14:49] hi Derik [14:50] what's the name of your freehost Willy? [14:50] hi Unriz3n [14:50] adultplaces.com tia [14:50] I got blacklisted from tommys and gg's and I had it removed...yet on GG's linklist I see none of my 40 some odd links that I had....I'm just wondering if anyone knows if they will re appear in the next update or if I have to resubmit them? [14:50] dam how much traffic u guys do per galleryi had some weird numbers on one [14:50] *** Quits: Gunner (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] bandwidth numbers sorry [14:51] <@WillyB> you will have to resubmit them to GG Unriz3n [14:51] that's it, adultplaces.comI was wracking my brain for that one... good place for a free host guys :) [14:51] ack [14:51] 86 gig sound possible [14:51] ? [14:51] Unri... I'd ask on the linksboard as my linklists do not participate in that blacklist so not sure how it works in those situations [14:51] for 1 gallery [14:51] <@WillyB> sounds like hot linking to me Keev [14:52] thats what i am thinking [14:52] <@WillyB> unless you got a super listing on the hun or somewhere similar [14:52] even so Willy that to high [14:52] yeah : [14:52] are your pic big? and check for hotlinkers for sure [14:52] <@WillyB> it is.. what is the average size of your piks keev? [14:53] Could someone review a site for me? I'm trying to make them as effective as possible without using alot of BW [14:53] I'd like to get them listed daily with the linklists....but I'm not 'exactly' sure what counts as an AD. [14:53] post it on the adlutnetsurprise newbie board Uriz3n [14:53] <@WillyB> you should post it on the Newbie Board Unriz3n .. that is the best place to get reviews [14:53] Ok [14:53] Thanks! =) [14:53] <@WillyB> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/ [14:53] *** Joins: Gunner [14:53] <@WillyB> wb Gunner [14:54] how do you check for hotLinkers? [14:54] wb Gunner [14:54] <@WillyB> In your stats Bixer [14:54] thnXXX. this damn virus is killing my ISP and network congest is BAD today [14:54] fuck hotlinking mofo [14:54] shit [14:54] <@WillyB> if you have 300 hits to your site and see jpg's getting 1000 hits.. it's hotlinked [14:55] i could have swore my httaccess was set up right [14:55] well tgp's will have to deal with it [14:56] <@WillyB> well, you can see if it is by putting a page on another domain and trying to call a pic from the protected dir [14:56] <@WillyB> that is the best way to test it Keev that I have found [14:56] how do you stop it once you see the hotlinking happening? [14:56] <@WillyB> that virus is bad hey Gunner :/\ [14:56] <@WillyB> :/ [14:56] i redirect them to my cj :) [14:56] willbwhich freehost u co own? [14:57] <@WillyB> adultplaces.com Keev [14:57] <@WillyB> you can set up your .htaccess to send them other places, like Annieb says Bixer [14:58] *** Quits: DerekXAMO (QUIT: User exited) [14:58] thanks Annieb willyB [14:58] <@WillyB> the best place to learn about htaccess is at http://www.apache.org [14:58] <@WillyB> type in htaccess (NO dot) in the search box [14:58] thankswillbi am gonna openwww.freeadultwebhosting.com some dumbshitlet the domain expirehas 300 hits a day via typeins alone [14:59] <@WillyB> that is not bad for typeings Keev [14:59] *** Joins: hawksweb [14:59] hey hawksweb [14:59] <@WillyB> hello hawksweb [14:59] cool Keev :) [14:59] howdy tia, willy [14:59] Bixer.. there is always the old "change file names" deal as well.... it's a pain but sometimes ya have to do what ya have to do...lol Also, if it's something that might bring trafic into the site... I've been known to change the picture to an advertisement graphic telling them to type in a certain url [14:59] hi hawksweb [14:59] *** Quits: roscoe (QUIT: User exited) [15:00] hi hawksweb [15:00] howdy cheeky, Rowdy [15:00] good idea Rowdy, use the traffic instead of trying to get rid of it [15:00] <@WillyB> something else you can do along the same lines as Rowdy's answer.. you can change the name of the dir the pics are in and then just search and replace in the code [15:01] i thing of hotlinkers has my friends,hehehe, it's all matter of how you deal with it [15:01] thing=think [15:02] hey shoot me that TD script link to convert bandwidth numbers [15:02] GB = MB = KB [15:02] need to bookmark it [15:04] http://www.tdscripts.com/webmaster_utilities/bw_convert.php [15:04] thanks rowdy [15:04] where should a person wanting to start up an adult website get started? [15:04] yes, newbie to the bone!!! [15:04] <@WillyB> The newbie Center at NetSurprise hawksweb [15:04] hawksweb -> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiecenter/ [15:04] yep, that's the place hawksweb [15:05] yep - you will get a ton of great info over there Hawkesweb [15:05] let me ask one more thing [15:05] what i am wanting to do is this:....... [15:05] make money?:P [15:05] i own an ISP, and wish to start a sub-company, if you will, [15:06] that offers free access to an adult website..... [15:06] yep that too, relik [15:07] how do you plan on making your money hawksweb? [15:07] I have found that isp's take an increadable amount of flack for having anything to do with porn [15:08] the ISP is a subscription service, I intend to offer free adult page access with new dial-up accounts. [15:08] *** Joins: SirMoby [15:08] hey SirMoby :) [15:08] yes, i understand that, but i'm not wanting to use my servers or equipment for the porn pages, but rather form a kind of a joint venture between the two. [15:09] <@WillyB> you are wanting to create a paysite for your customers then.. or basicaly.. the charge for the paysite is the ISP subscription [15:09] Sorry I'm late folks [15:09] hey SirMoby [15:09] <@WillyB> np SirMoby [15:09] :-) [15:09] hawksweb... not sure hopw well it would work but you'llprobably have to make your own free site [15:09] hi SirMoby [15:09] right willy, that's the idea, so what do you think, can it work? [15:09] imhoi think that would be a mistakeif you want to do something with adultkeep it way underground [15:10] kinda agree with ya Buzzard [15:10] <@WillyB> I'm not sure... I do not know about the polotics of what Buzzard is saying..but he is knowledgeable .. I would go along with him [15:10] i have seen it more than oncethe isp lost customer base like crazy [15:11] basically i am wanting to use the adult site to promote the ISP [15:11] SirMoby: I wanted to ask you - how many clicks a day do you get for any one ofr your sites? [15:11] i intend to make a sub company to mine (i.e. adultdialup.com) that will service only adult customers [15:12] <@WillyB> then you would just build free sites and get traffic to them and hopefully to your ISP join page [15:12] my current company will not be associated in any way with this separate entity [15:12] free sites, AVS sites or hub site? [15:12] anyone know what kind of board this site is? http://www.pornoboard.de/forum/index.php?s=1fb833196509372836047303daacf52f [15:12] hawkswebdo you realize the kind of traffic # that go to adult sites? [15:13] sirMoby: I thought you only did AVS - but im specifically interested in freesites [15:13] is that site a webmaster board or just ahotlink heaven [15:13] http://www.pornoboard.de/forum/index.php?s=1fb833196509372836047303daacf52f [15:14] not sure buzz, but if they are interested in adult web sites, they need some sort of internet service provider, right? [15:15] Keev - did you click on it - it takes you to a German Webmaster Board.. so if you know how to read German you will be right [15:15] I use free sites to promote my AVS sites :))Last week I averaged 60k hits a day to all my free sites [15:15] well are you talking about clients or people building websites? [15:15] it is also link list [15:15] if I may ask SirMoby, what percentage of that is se hits? [15:16] tia - small because I suck at SE traffic [15:16] clients, i only wish to promote dial-up service with this arrangement [15:16] SirMobys #'s alone would bring a regular dialup server to it's knees [15:16] se traffic is hard to learn about, but well worth the effort [15:16] SirMoby - so how many clicks do you average for 1 freesite on any day? [15:17] I try to get SE traffic directly to my AVS sites [15:17] *** Quits: cheekymarie (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] on a good day 1 site can 30k [15:17] SirMoby: and how many clicks do you get from that site? [15:18] hmmmmyou might have a good ideabut I would definately keep it way seperate from my dialupclients [15:18] What kind of #'s do you have Buzz....... [15:18] how many clients do you hve? [15:18] I would like to have dial up customers in the thousands range [15:19] i get about the same as SirMoby [15:19] Usually about 8% will lick through to my AVS site.Now that I'm pushing my hub site, I'll get about 5% to 10% to there [15:19] currently I do not have that, but I am prepared to service accountsup to those numbers right now. [15:20] SirMoby: and how many clicks do you get from that site per day? [15:20] actually hawksweb, I'd say just build free sites to promote the dial up as a stand alone at first. Then you can also put a sponsor up with recurring and make mnoeny there. That way, you can judge the "interest" of the pron surfer before entering into any agreement with someone else... just my thoughts anyhow [15:20] well imhoI don't thinkporn is the way to builda isp [15:20] how about this, would any of you consider advertising a dial up service on your sites, for a commissionof course? [15:20] I guess about 2k [15:21] SirBoby: so 1 in 15 people click on you banners? [15:21] methie - that's about right [15:22] SirMoby has some very nice banners :) [15:22] SirBoby: wow - that absolutely amazing [15:22] Im getting 1:150 right now [15:22] I have some new banners that will probably work even better - just ask tia :)) [15:22] I was looking over your network the other day SirMoby, and you have a nice setup there, good traffic direction [15:22] well all ....work calls so back at it for me... c'ya all next week if not sooner :) [15:22] no wonder im not getting any signups [15:22] thank SirMoby :) [15:22] show us one of your sites [15:23] Don't forget to stop by http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/index.phtml and say hi :) [15:23] later Rowdy take care [15:23] SirMoby: who me? [15:23] later all.. have a good one! [15:23] yes I agreeSirMobyknows what he is doing has a super master plan [15:23] yeah [15:23] see ya Rowdy :) [15:23] SirMoby: i sec [15:23] *** Quits: Rowdy (QUIT: User exited) [15:23] take care Rowdy [15:23] damnlate again [15:23] hehe [15:24] lol [15:24] <@WillyB> hehehe [15:24] are we related Buzzard ? [15:24] SirMoby: http://www.piratepussy.com/sites/091401/index.htm [15:24] <@WillyB> kids are getting home from school [15:24] <@WillyB> I need to go get them going on their homework and chores [15:24] anyone else who wants to take a look is welcome ...heh [15:24] <@WillyB> I'll be back in a few [15:24] *** WillyB changes topic to 'Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - WebCreators Only'