[14:01] *** WillyB changes topic to 'NetSurprise Newbie Chat - How to market your sites and make them profitable!' [14:01] *** WillyB sets mode: +o Frank [14:02] <@WillyB> :) [14:02] :-) [14:02] <@WillyB> some of them tia :) [14:02] <@Frank> yea, I have found if you forplan alittle and have things organized you tend not to wonder around in a stuper as much wondering what to do, lol [14:02] another great topic WillyB [14:02] *** Joins: SirMoby [14:02] <@WillyB> lol Frank [14:02] <@Rowdy> Hi SirMoby [14:02] hey SirMoby!! [14:02] <@WillyB> welcome SirMoby [14:02] Hey everyone [14:02] It's a good day to be alive [14:02] hey stupor is good - that's my normal state :) [14:03] yes it is SirMoby :) [14:03] yea Frank, wondering can be fun but not much work done [14:03] <@Frank> If you plan the night before how you want your next day to go I find you generally get alot more done. [14:03] keep templates of your freesites [14:03] <@WillyB> thanks Bixer [14:03] If any of you have Adult Check sites, subit them to http://www.bomis.com/rings/adultcheckavsring/ [14:03] *** Joins: savannah [14:03] <@WillyB> hi ya savannah [14:03] It just got approved and I want to fill it up with friends sites :)) [14:03] <@Rowdy> hi savannah [14:04] <@Frank> hi savannah [14:04] *** Joins: Ramster [14:04] hi wily, rowdy, everyone [14:04] <@WillyB> hello Ramster [14:04] hey savannah, Ramster [14:04] <@Rowdy> hi Ramster [14:05] Hiya Ramster!!! [14:05] frank,tia, ramster [14:05] *** Joins: cheekymarie [14:05] Hi all :) [14:05] <@WillyB> morning cheekymarie [14:05] looks like it's going to be a full house , hey cheekymarie :)) [14:05] <@Rowdy> hiya marie [14:05] hey tia [14:05] hi Rowdy :) [14:05] hi marie [14:05] Hi savannah, how you doing? [14:06] hanging in, like everyon else:) [14:06] <@WillyB> yes tia.. and this is good ;-) [14:06] :)) [14:06] *** Quits: Ramster (Connection reset by peer) [14:06] <@Frank> yep, full house, anyone have any questions? Or good tips to share? [14:06] here's a nice little site for se tips I found the other day http://www.northernwebs.com/set/ [14:07] my mind is not functioning yet, i came over to be with my online friends [14:07] WillyB, when you say we're going to talk today about how to market our sites and make them profitable, are you talking freesites and paysites? Are there any others? [14:07] you came to the right place savannah [14:07] {{{{{Savannah}}} [14:07] I can understand that savannah [14:07] hi steve [14:07] <@WillyB> Looks like a very useful site tia :) [14:08] you have to remember you have lots of support here :) [14:08] it explains things very simply.. good for me .. lol [14:08] <@Rowdy> Bixer.. there are free sites, pay sites, avs sites, tgp pages, picpost pages, se sites/pages just to name a few :) [14:08] <@WillyB> free sites for the most part Bixer as I have no experience running a pay site [14:09] <@WillyB> How to market your sites and make them profitable! [14:09] thanks marie:) [14:09] <@Frank> I think marketing a site properly has to do with pre-planning. Knowing before hand what category you want to be in. Making pre-made targetted descriptions, and such as that. And also even going as far as knowing what link list etc... you want to submit to. [14:09] Can we start with a definition.I have a hazy idea of what people mean by freesite. [14:09] <@WillyB> So what is the best way to marked you site? I think SE's are the best source of traffic... but what do you do when you have traffic and no sales? [14:10] <@Frank> A site listed on a link specific link list I think will serve much better than a general link list. [14:10] <@Rowdy> I agrere Frank.. that's a major part of filtering.. start doing it from the start.. even before the site is built [14:10] free sites are free of course, and you make your money sending hits to sponsors Bixer [14:10] <@Frank> Yep, it hard and to damn time consuming to always play catch up for sure. [14:10] <@WillyB> Bixer.. a free site is a site that gives a few (10 or so) pics for free with the purpose of sending the traffic to your sponsor [14:11] can a freesite be as small as one page? [14:11] <@WillyB> you can use the gallery pages for tgp pages if you do tgping.. and they are cleen [14:11] <@Frank> Every type of site is marketed differently, free sites, AVS, paysites, etc... [14:11] <@Rowdy> one page = se doorway, tgp page or picpost page for the most part [14:11] <@WillyB> Usually not Bixer..you really need a warning page [14:12] How is the marketing different?You can have a single page site [14:12] <@WillyB> then a gallery page with thumbs on it and the thumbs can lead to the jpg [14:12] <@WillyB> so I could see a 2 page free site, but not one [14:12] *** Joins: JanTM [14:12] how you set up the free site depends on where you plan on getting traffic [14:12] hey Jan [14:12] Richards, Pornstar Galleries and many others won't list a warning page [14:12] <@Rowdy> hi JanTM [14:12] hey all :-) [14:12] <@WillyB> hello Jan [14:13] JanTM, you've got mail [14:13] hi jan [14:13] morning Jan [14:13] and where you want that traffic to go [14:13] SirMoby.. yeah I just noticed [14:13] morning.. it is 9pm here ;-) [14:13] <@Frank> very true tia. if you do the toplist gig you surely will need to set your site up differently than for a normal link list. [14:13] <@WillyB> if you are wanting to use the sites gallery in a tgp or just wanting to have a tgp page.. you would set the page up a little different because of the rules of tgp's [14:13] its 5.17am here [14:14] hi JanT [14:14] Can we go into Top Lists for a minute? [14:14] <@Frank> what's you question SirMoby? [14:14] <@Rowdy> such as SirMoby? [14:15] How would it be laid out differently? [14:15] I haven't tried top lists yet [14:15] Do you use it kind of as a hub site? [14:16] <@Frank> On a free site you try to keep your traffic and direct them to a sponsor or where ever. If you are doing a toplist you want to send some traffic to them to get good listings etc... [14:16] <@WillyB> you put your links to the top lists on the bottoms of your pages and such.. because in general the surfers that get that far are not gooing to go to your sponsor [14:16] Rowdy, Frank, WillyB, perhaps we need to get people experienced in all types of sites to write an article for all of us. [14:16] <@Rowdy> SirMoby, the nice thing about most toplists is that the rules are a bit less stirct. You can find places that allows a pop up or two as well as FPA's and so forth. so, you can be a bit more agressive overall [14:16] explaining all the different sites [14:16] <@WillyB> that is a good idea marie [14:16] <@Frank> Usually when I do a toplist I "mirror" my site and design it in a way to send some traffic to the top list. [14:16] <@Rowdy> of course it can be laid out differently but I'll give you this example.... [14:17] well I am sure that you have enough people on the boards who work with all the different sites [14:17] you want to send the traffic that's most likely not to sign up.. ie exit traffic to a toplist [14:17] Is it a good idea to create 1 or 2 sites designed to generate Top List traffic? [14:17] *** Joins: Validus [14:17] it's to filter your tgp traffic [14:17] <@Rowdy> free site gets listed at linklists.. excess traffic that won't convert results so you send that to a toplists that givbves credit to a copy site or a totally different site so more or less, you are exchanging traffic [14:17] It's your last pitch then basically [14:17] <@WillyB> hi ya Validus [14:17] send them your tgp traffic [14:18] and get traffic back to suit the sponsors that you're selling [14:18] OK, I know of a new Big Boob Top List.I'll sign up :)) [14:18] <@Rowdy> hi Validus [14:18] Steve has been designing tgp2 sites which promote our paysite and this has been selling really well [14:18] <@WillyB> it's a good way to trade off your worthless traffic for some that may be better SirMoby [14:18] I know of that one too SirMoby ;-)) [14:19] hi validus [14:19] hi hi... talking to visa.. hehehe [14:19] ;-) [14:19] hey Validus [14:19] What about building and submitting 3 TGP2 galleries; and then use them with a warning page for a freesite.If so, is there anything else that would be needed or useful? [14:19] hi Validu [14:19] * SirMoby doesn't want JanTM to see all the tiny tit teens he's been selling lately [14:20] * JanTM feels really sick now [14:20] that certainly is a possibility - you would just have to find tgp2 sites that did not require a recip [14:20] <@Rowdy> SirMoby.. specific toplists can benefit you by the following... I have a story site that is listed at storyplaces.com I send my traffic that wants stories from my free sites through an FPA and if they don't convert, they go to the toplist which rates my story site higher. Then, since this is a more specific list, I'm getting more story traffic back to the story site and try to get to convert them yet again :) [14:20] <@WillyB> Bixer, tgp2 galleries do not follow the rules of most links lists that I know of as not all the thumbs are going to pics and some are blind links [14:21] Bixer, when I make a template I create 6 pages and use 30 pictures. [14:21] <@Rowdy> Bixer, a good links page can be useful, it usually won't get much traffic but it can send a few sponsor its out [14:21] 1 warning, page 1, page 2, fpa, 1 gallery for TGP, 1 extra page to make an AVS [14:21] of course WillyB - I gotta wake up before I start commenting :) [14:21] <@Frank> Here's another idea for top list traffic. You have a free site. You have some alternative links going to "targetted" fpa's. They hit the fpa of yours and chose not to click. You have a link at the bottom that goes to a top list if they want to continue on. You get the credit for traffic that didn't buy and get new traffic back from the toplist. [14:21] <@WillyB> lol steve [14:23] Rowdy, you have a sample url? [14:23] <@WillyB> does everyone understand the concept of 'realestate' as far as a page goes?like where the best places for banner/textlinks [14:23] <@WillyB> where you put them makes a very big difference [14:23] i certainly don't [14:23] <@WillyB> I have seen sites that have no ad in the top of them [14:23] I'm still learning [14:24] <@WillyB> the very top of the page is usually the very best spot [14:24] morning guys [14:24] hi annieb [14:24] <@Frank> I hate it when I see pages with so much open space and such or you have to scroll to see a sponsor link. [14:24] <@WillyB> I try to always put a big text link there with a banner [14:24] and gals :) [14:24] <@WillyB> if your surfer is on 56K they will see that text link first [14:25] I try different places.. but generally my ad goes up the top of the page and sometimes I will place an additional one right down the bottom for guys who like to scroll [14:25] <@WillyB> and if they get bored it will have a better chance of getting clicked on [14:25] <@WillyB> yes.. a lot of folks will start at the bottom of the page too.. because they know the good stuff is down there [14:25] good point about a text link Willy [14:25] <@Frank> Yep, it pays to think about how the flow of your site goes and what is the first things the surfer is seeing. Hopefully the surfers are setting there reading text or looking at a banner while the pics are loading. [14:26] <@Frank> You should think advertising first and pics second. [14:26] <@WillyB> I also like to put ad around and amoungst my thumbs as they will spend lots of time there [14:26] <@Rowdy> sample of what SirMoby... talked about a few now....lol Actually though, it's pretty basic once you visualize it. You have a regular free site.. at the end of the last gallery after your sponsor link you throw on a toplist link. Now, if possible, have that toplist link the same across all your free sites... this will give credit to one specific site. This is the site where you can be a bit more aggressive and then the toplist link off of that site... goes [14:26] thats right Frank - we are salesmen - not providers of free porn [14:27] Rowdy - OK [14:27] Most of the time I like to use a banner with text, because there are some guys who surf and can not understand the writing on the page, they only understand the pics [14:27] I know text works, but we are catering for all surfers :) [14:27] and click here is one of the most important parts of a text link [14:28] *** Parts: merlin [14:28] cheekymarie, I'm kind of that way too.I have to read each word. [14:28] remember, not all surfers are as websavy as we are [14:28] i remember a few yrs ago when ppl were sayin u shouldnt ever say click here but if u dont it seems a lot of surfers get confused [14:28] :) [14:28] right Sassy [14:28] yep tia said it shorter than i could hehe [14:29] hi cheekymarie [14:29] sorry i'm late was talkin to 1 of my writers ;) [14:29] <@Frank> You should think of your pages just like a newpaper ad. Every inch of space should be used to sell. I think if people design there sites as if every inch cost them $10 as do newspapers you would tend to try and sell more, lol [14:29] <@WillyB> http://www.adultplaces.com/porn/lesbianorgy/ ---here is a site that uses ads in around the thumbs [14:29] There has been a case here with the Olympic site (Sydneys) they were taken to court and had to make their website available for all surfers. [14:30] morning RevSassy [14:30] <@WillyB> you will always see an ad when you see thumbnails [14:30] mornin cheekymarie :) [14:30] i knmow this is off subject, but how would i go about getting paid to write adult stories RevSassy [14:31] I know this kind of goes against the grain, but what works for us is a beautiful splash page that imediately shows the specific niche that leads to a gallery then a simple text link to the sponsor, and all the thumbs are html pages with the same simple text link [14:31] <@WillyB> goto www.AdultWriters.com savannah [14:31] thanks willy [14:31] tia - where do you list such a site? [14:31] WillyB, can you get that site listed... I know Tommy doesn't like thumbs wrapped around adds.. and you have mouseovers too ?? [14:31] of course, we decided a while back to just concentrate on se traffic and nothing else [14:31] thank WillyB [14:32] tia - my SE sites are like that [14:32] <@WillyB> it was listed on tommys and greenguys Jan [14:32] <@Frank> It pays to learn the link list you deal with. Even though there are basic rules many will let you still do full page ads etc... while others look for really clean sites. Once you learn what each link list look for you can mirror sites and pages accordingly. [14:32] we felt that we wanted to pick just one way and learn it well, and it's working well for us [14:32] <@WillyB> it is on a free host so it will not get listed with them anymore [14:33] hi chazz, [14:33] <@Frank> It's a pain sometimes to mirror and all that. But overall it tends to be beneficial. Plus that's more pages for the SE's to spider, lol [14:33] WillyB, under the Lesbian Pink banner you say: leave this site here.Were you having trouble with people taking your site with them? LOL [14:33] i'll be checking you out:) i love to write [14:33] I don't do pop ups but I will have an fpa at the end of my content [14:34] <@WillyB> LOL Bixer! [14:34] you mean a chat room? [14:35] I was doing FPA's but now I'm sending my traffic to a hub site instead. [14:35] yes savannah [14:35] k:) [14:35] <@Rowdy> SirMoby... hub sites can be great for FPA's :) [14:35] *** Quits: Annieb (Connection reset by peer) [14:35] so much for /msg lol [14:35] My hub site is mostly FPAs and people are bookmarking it too :)) [14:36] <@Rowdy> cool [14:36] i don't know what that means [14:36] <@Frank> Yep, hit them with a "targetted" fpa going into and coming out of your hub. [14:36] to talk to just me savannah /msg then what u want to say lol [14:36] <@WillyB> FPA = full page ad [14:36] *** Joins: RazorSharpe [14:36] hey Razor :) [14:36] hi tia [14:36] <@WillyB> FPA's are good for targeting your traffic [14:36] you're quick aren't ya? [14:36] one good thing about replacing the FPA on site with an FPA on another domain is that you can have pop-ups and shit all you want :-) [14:36] :) [14:37] :P~ [14:37] in this main box? [14:37] <@WillyB> hello RazorSharpe [14:37] <@Rowdy> hi RazorSharpe [14:37] http://mobys-free-porn.com/free-pictures.html is my new hub site.Almost every link on there is an FPA for me or a sponsor [14:37] Hi Willy, Rowdy - how have you blokes been? [14:37] hi razorsharpe [14:37] I consider a free pic there an FPA [14:38] ok here is my example of a site that got listed really well http://www.cheekymarie.com/hot4u/ [14:38] Hi Savannah [14:38] it has a full page ad and a small list of sites [14:38] <@Rowdy> not bad RazorSharpe .. yourself? [14:38] im sorry, im confused, as usual [14:38] willyb - nice to see you over on DD's aussie board :) [14:39] <@WillyB> thanks Steve :) [14:39] <@WillyB> what are you confused about savannah? [14:39] <@Frank> confused about what savannah? [14:39] about the private message thing to chazz [14:39] i was talking to her with /msg WillyB [14:40] <@WillyB> ah.. ok [14:40] and she was talking back in the room it was cute lol [14:40] hehe [14:40] hehe, I think we have all done that lol [14:40] lol [14:40] hi cheekymarie [14:40] Here's a gallery I'm just finishing up.Anyone want to critique it from point of view of marketing and making money?http://www.orangeheart.com/tgp2/tgp201/primeteen/ [14:41] yep we all have to learn how to private msg ppl at 1 time or another in our lives :) [14:41] cheekymarie is writing for u too savannah [14:41] so she can help [14:41] u=us [14:41] for use [14:41] and RevSassy-AdultWriters [14:41] been good Willy, thanks for asking [14:41] so just get them help too [14:41] Hi Chazz [14:41] so what we discussing? [14:41] but everyone on the board doesn't see it? [14:42] discussing marketing site and making profits [14:42] *** Joins: Dutchman [14:42] <@Rowdy> Bixer.. if it makes you money.. cool. Personally the site is way to spread out for true effectiveness IMHO [14:42] <@WillyB> Bixer... it is not very SE friendly [14:42] savannah if ur on mirc & want to talk in private where no1 can see it you just double click w/ ur left mouse button on the persons name and type in there [14:42] Bixer I would put a border around your clickable thumbs - some tgp2 sites like them to be obvious [14:43] thanks juststeve [14:43] if on java then its /msg nick info [14:43] <@WillyB> you do not have any sponsor link in the first screeful Bixer [14:43] how is your hub site performing SirMoby??? Does it do signups ? [14:43] Bixer, if that thing is meant for tgps ... firstly you don't need the disclaimer ... secondly, it's way too much scroll [14:43] Bixer, the warning is a great place for key words [14:43] Rowdy how does making it less spread out make it more effective? [14:43] thanks revsassy:) [14:43] tgp surfers want one thing ... good, clean, FREE porn [14:43] for those who didn't catch this link, here's a good search engine tip site http://www.northernwebs.com/set/ [14:43] youre welcome savannah :) [14:43] WillyB how make more se friendly? [14:44] <@WillyB> meta tags for one thing Bixer and the alt tags need keywords [14:44] <@WillyB> the thumbs I mean [14:44] <@Rowdy> bixer.. surfers can be very laszy .. thus why the right margin tends to get clicked on a higher percentage most of the time. The less scrolling and the more obvious where they should go (or where you want them to go anyhow...lol) the better the end results [14:44] thanks for noticing SirMoby [14:44] <@WillyB> wpe11.jpg is not a very effective alt tag [14:45] when you made the gallery, they ask if you want to name the thumbs in the alt tag, that's where that comes from [14:45] Bixer here is an example of one of my tgp2 galleries - its doing ok http://www.tasbabes.com/t2galls/boots/ [14:45] <@WillyB> right Rowdy.. and if they have to wait fior the site to load they may be clicking on the link to Report child exploitation! in stead of a sponsor [14:46] <@WillyB> because it is up on top [14:46] RazorSharpe, maybe I'm wrong, but I agree with the theory that though the surfers want clean easy free porn I don't want to give it to them..So I'm thinking of not doing tgp, only tgp2.But I'm willing to learn. [14:46] <@Frank> yep, I have gotten some good google.yahoo listing from my alt text. [14:46] SirMoby ???? [14:46] Yeah [14:47] bugger - blush blush - alt tags done't seem to have loaded on my tgp2 site :) [14:47] how is your hub site performing ?? many signups ?? And your link to Booballistics doesn't work.. link is spelled wrong ;-) [14:47] *** Joins: GOnZo [14:47] got it Rowdy [14:47] hey Gonzo :) [14:47] * SirMoby will write booballistics 100 times because he never gets it right [14:47] <@WillyB> hi GOnZo [14:47] afternooner [14:47] <@WillyB> hahaha SirMoby [14:47] tia, now I know about alt tags, thx [14:48] LOL @ SirMoby [14:48] if you knew how many people spell it wrong ;-) [14:48] I just wanted to drop in and see if anyone is looking for a new free host since netpond/condom is taking theirs down [14:48] JanTM icq 113751465 [14:48] *** Quits: GOnZo (QUIT: User exited) [14:48] TGP2 employs the same thinking as TGP one really.all you're effectively doing is giving them less free stuff.we don't know (read i don't know) if this even helps because all they do is go to the next gallery but what i'm really trying to say is, keep the galleries compact and with not so much white space [14:48] thanks just steve, looks good, I'll study it later [14:49] *** Joins: Buzzard [14:49] :) [14:49] :) [14:49] ok RazorSharpe thanks [14:49] <@WillyB> hello Buzzard [14:49] hello all [14:49] <@Rowdy> hi Buzzard [14:50] *** Joins: GonZo [14:50] damn Java client [14:50] <@WillyB> wb buzzard [14:50] willB thanks for your feedback [14:50] <@WillyB> I mean wb GonZo [14:50] WillyB Rowdy great to see you guys [14:50] *** Quits: Dutchman (QUIT: User exited) [14:51] anyhow if anyone is looking for a good free host email me and Ill give you details. [14:51] <@WillyB> Bixer.. you relly should also try making a sponsor link visible when a thumb is visible so they see it [14:51] http://galleries.ipose4u.net/amatpages/11_gall09_192.html [14:51] <@Rowdy> there's still a few good freehost... but the list is getting smaller [14:51] Bixer, not a TGP2 gallery but still, compact [14:51] works for me [14:52] Rowdy prolly knows a little something about that subject:)) [14:52] <@Rowdy> :) [14:52] :-) [14:53] looks good RazorSharpe [14:53] <@WillyB> I like the way you can see the banners when you are looking at a row or thumbs [14:53] willyBdo you mean a link at every thumb? [14:54] <@WillyB> the text link at the top stands out will also RazorSharpe [14:54] <@WillyB> Bixer.. when the surfer can see your thumnails.. they should also be able to see an ad at the same time [14:55] thanks Willy, you guys don't see me but i peek in on you'll often at the newbie boards :) [14:55] you ought to post while you're there too RazorSharpe:)) [14:55] <@Frank> you need to pop in and say HI RazorSharpe. [14:56] <@WillyB> ;-) tia [14:56] <@WillyB> I agrree iwth you there! [14:56] * tia is fast ;) [14:56] <@Frank> lol [14:56] <@Frank> tia is all over the place anymore, that's cool! [14:56] hahaha [14:57] tia, i will do :) but you guys have quite a lot of learning from Frank, Rowdy and Willy .... if i spoke i'd miss out on learning time :) [14:57] <@WillyB> Your prime space on the page is what the surfer sees first.. so you want your most drawing banner/text link at the tops of your pages so they can be seen without scrolling [14:57] I'm usually pretty elusive too RazoeSharpe but tia has worked to convence me I might have spmething to say but I still find it hard to join insometimes [14:58] RazorSharpe, the idea of the board is to ask lots of questions... we are all learning and we all ask questions [14:58] when you ask.... we learn too [14:58] this chat session is for all of us to learn and to get somthing out of it. [14:58] <@WillyB> I have learned a lot from the newbie board as it is great place to see new ideas and so forthe [14:59] tia, that link to se tips looks like a real good one [14:59] yes the newbie is a great learning tool [14:59] yeah it is Bixer, very nicely laid out [14:59] <@Rowdy> the more diversed the input.. the more new ideas that become a reality [14:59] so true [14:59] Yep and we love the input [15:00] <@Frank> Yep, I think people should understand that overall you have a 1 time chance to make a sale. Given that fact you should design your pages focusing on pushing whatever you are selling. The only reason for the pics is to get you listed with links. [15:00] WillyB, your take on this site please.i've only recently started doing feeder sites and the traffic is good, conversions not that great :( [15:00] <@WillyB> I have seen things there and smack myself in the head for not thinking of it myself! LOL [15:00] http://fetish.ipose4u.net/free3/ [15:00] and you really have to lead the surfer by the hand, don't assume they know things [15:02] we make a site for one sponser and sell them like crazy sometimes in a suttle way that works if the surfer trust you they are more likely to visit your sponser [15:03] Buzzard, how do you get them to trust you on the first visit? [15:03] mic test [15:03] <@WillyB> it is a nice site RazorSharpe... I would put a big text link under the banners at the top of the page.. the banner does not grab attention.. you want the attention to go to the sponsors link [15:03] <@WillyB> I like that big link under the thumbs [15:03] *** Joins: fatman [15:03] <@WillyB> hello fatman [15:03] Hi [15:03] hey fatman :) [15:03] hi fatman [15:03] <@Frank> hi fatman [15:03] Thanks for the invite all. :) [15:03] so a link under the banner? [15:03] Razor - just a couple of things I thought of as I was looking at that site - I would put those couple of hardcore pics right at the end of gallery 3 and perhaps talk to the surfer in the first person as if one of the girls was talking to the surfer [15:04] you don't try to fool them you just lead them by the hand to what your selling if they aren't intrestedyou may as well not send them [15:04] * SirMoby wants to see fatman Thursday Night at Album Side [15:04] <@Rowdy> hi fatman [15:04] hello fatman [15:04] hmmm, that is a good idea juststeve [15:04] Hi all [15:04] that makes sense Buzzard [15:04] lemme write that down [15:04] <@WillyB> yes.. I always (well, almost) put text under the banners and also tell them what they will be getting at the sponsors site when they get there. in big letters! [15:04] i forget easily :) [15:05] <@Rowdy> under or above... either is more succesful than a banner alone usually [15:05] lemme rephrase that ... that is a GREAT idea juststeve [15:05] Razor something like - "Hi wanna see how deep I took this cock? Come on over to xyz and watch me deepthroat that sucker" [15:05] <@WillyB> that is a good idea too juststeve [15:06] i used to think anyway to get them to sponser was goodbut now I do like Willy and try to show them what they will see there [15:06] do any of you have any thoughst on other effective ways to get traffic to one's site besides the linklists? [15:06] <@WillyB> make them excited about going to your sponsors and the pics on your site should get them ready for more [15:06] like top sites perhaps? [15:07] <@WillyB> top sites are good to exchange your traffic... [15:07] we have our own way of doing the freesite thing, use se hits only so we can do it any way we want .. no rules.. if you want to see how we do it, here's our hub site http://www.slutsnacks.com [15:07] <@WillyB> I usually make them one of the last links on my sites [15:07] <@Frank> Buzzard, me too. I have found that sending "cold" traffic to a sponsor is unproductive, very low conversions. Anyone can send tons of hits to a sponsor via blind links and such yet seldom do you make good sales. [15:08] we = Buzzard and tia [15:08] <@Rowdy> Razor ... http://xxxplaces.com/jump.htmlI seem to like that group of toplists myself and Anarchy links.... not really sure why :) [15:08] that's not quite true tia we do cater to dmoz [15:08] <@Frank> lol [15:09] well yes, but dmoz is a directory [15:09] nice job with slutsnacks. Are you sending just SE traffic there? [15:09] <@WillyB> very nice tia [15:09] <@Frank> I usually make mirrored sites for dmoz. [15:09] the directory [15:09] yes fatman [15:09] good idea Frank [15:10] dmoz has rules aginst mirrors thoughdon't get caught [15:11] tia, any comments on minimum design of a first freesite? [15:11] <@Frank> Buzzard, that mirroring to make multiple submits. I'm talking about designing a dmoz specific site. [15:11] oic [15:11] yes.. you don't need fancy graphics, use pics for the graphics as long as they understand what you're selling [15:12] <@Frank> To get more specific, I design and plan for AOL not really dmoz. [15:12] we do the elaborate design because of our other business [15:13] What would you do different for AOL? [15:13] looks great tia, what percentage of your design biz is adult? [15:13] tia i thought i was the only 1 that did that LOL thx for tellin me i aint crazy ;) [15:13] yeah we get loads of aol trafficit is great traffic [15:13] about 99 percent Bixer [15:14] <@Frank> it's a leraning experience fatman. you kinda got to get a feel of how AOL picks there listing from dmoz. [15:14] how do you get aol traffic? [15:14] fatman, I saw your post on the newbie board about 10 domains or 1 domain with 10 subsmaybe you can get your answer here [15:14] <@Frank> Netscape and many others pull from dmoz too. [15:15] Rowdy just bookmarked that one, THANKS! [15:15] like some others said here todaythe bottom line is design your site for salesbe in advertising firsta designer second [15:15] <@Rowdy> np [15:16] i pull from dmoz too :) [15:16] <@Frank> Bixer, the best way is to "target" a specif search, and try to get a good dmoz listing for that. The name of the title, name of page, and descrip all play a big part. [15:16] well actually i've just had the utility built into my admin screen on my link list [15:17] thanks Frank.Does that mean that AOL relies primarily (solely?) on dmoz? [15:17] actually, that wasn't my post but it is a good question.I have jsut one domain now and I think I'm goingto stick with it until I get some more experience, then start adding new ones. Any comments? [15:18] <@Frank> AOL is the main one yet I have had AOL hits via Altavista and a few other places. Go searching at AOL. All the listing you see with that "more like this" next to them are dmoz. [15:18] oops. yep it was drewkole [15:19] <@Rowdy> all depends fatman.. if you plan on making this your main business.... more domains are always a good thing. If you're testing the waters so to speak, one will serve your purpose well [15:19] yes fatman make lots of sub domains off your domain keep building till you know what your doing [15:19] Any reaction to this domain name?www.sex-porn-nude-xxx.com (not currently live) [15:19] and I justr saw that Frank made an excellent reply to that on the board too :) [15:19] When will I know what I'm doing? :-) [15:19] <@Frank> fatman, branch out with other domains after you are making a living at this. Use your first domain to learn. [15:19] *** Quits: GonZo (QUIT: User exited) [15:20] when you start getting 10 sign-ups a day? [15:20] :) [15:20] never but you may get damn good lol [15:21] <@Frank> Good keywords Bixer. [15:21] I'd rather be lucky then good! I'm going to work off this one domain, build a 100 or so free and AVS sites and see how I do. [15:21] that was in repily to fatman [15:22] thanks Frank [15:22] the beauty of a subdomain is that you can name it anything you want to [15:22] <@Frank> fatman, yep, no need to get in a hurry until you are making decent money. you can expand as you go. [15:22] Thanks [15:22] <@WillyB> kids and dora just got hime [15:22] <@WillyB> home [15:22] *** WillyB changes topic to 'Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - WebCreators Only'