[14:00] *** WillyB changes topic to 'NetSurprise Newbie Chat!!! - Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - WebCreators Only' [14:00] im in dialup heaven [14:00] COOL! I've done that too,LOL [14:00] hahaa [14:00] lol [14:00] *** WillyB sets mode: +o Rowdy [14:00] just feelin good off all the fresh paint fumes in here [14:00] *** WillyB sets mode: +o Frank [14:00] <@Frank> A roof and a phone line, hehe, that will work. [14:01] *** Joins: nola [14:01] yuppers - now I just gotta go to the storage and get my sweet chair in here [14:01] hey nola :) [14:01] <@WillyB> hi ya nola [14:01] afternoon all [14:01] hey nola [14:01] <@Frank> hi ya nola! [14:01] tia privs [14:01] *** Joins: MaskedMan [14:02] I see security isn't here yet but I used his submitool last night with good success it really saves quite a bit of time [14:02] <@Rowdy> hi nola [14:02] <@Rowdy> hi MaskedMan [14:02] <@Frank> Hi Rowdy! [14:03] <@Rowdy> How goes it Frank [14:03] Hi everyone. [14:03] Can anyone get the java chat thing to work on the adultnetsurprise website? [14:03] <@Frank> As well as it can I guess. Something different everyday it seems, lol [14:03] <@WillyB> hello MaskedMan [14:03] i was in on java earlier [14:03] I just get the broken image icon. [14:03] <@Frank> MaskedMan, that's where I came from. [14:03] <@WillyB> tia.. check out my last post!!! ;) [14:03] it works for me but I get knocked off every now and then [14:04] *** Joins: KranKy [14:04] I just upgraded my browser, so maybe it broke something. :( [14:04] ok Willy [14:04] *** Joins: juststeve [14:04] *** Joins: javaTestiing [14:04] aaaaaaaghhhh [14:04] it's working for WillyB maskedman [14:04] *** Quits: javaTestiing (QUIT: User exited) [14:05] <@WillyB> Hi ya KranKy [14:05] <@Frank> nice to see so many popping in. I'm sure they'll be more soon. [14:05] <@WillyB> hello juststeve [14:05] which post Willy? [14:05] morning WillyB [14:05] <@WillyB> the one I made 30 seconds ago tia hehehe [14:05] WillyB:Is that Netscape or IE? [14:05] G'Day WillyB / folks - so this is the newbie chat [14:05] <@WillyB> IE MaskedMan [14:05] *getting my mouse - trackpads arent my thing* [14:05] <@WillyB> IE5 [14:05] I just upgraded to 6.Must be broken [14:06] <@WillyB> yes.. just getting ready to get started KranKy [14:06] on the newbie board? [14:06] <@WillyB> no, the main board tia [14:06] *** Joins: cheekymarie [14:06] ohhhhh.. ok .. lol [14:06] <@WillyB> Good morning Marie [14:06] well people i have a new cd to work on...see you all later.. [14:07] Good morning :) [14:07] *** Quits: roscoe (QUIT: User exited) [14:07] <@Frank> k roscoe, see ya later [14:07] don't talk to her WillyB - she's not civilised at this hour of the morning [14:07] oh Willy! You are a sweetheart :))) [14:07] * @WillyB blushes [14:07] <@WillyB> hehehe [14:07] hehe [14:08] <@WillyB> ah.. ok steve! lol [14:08] lol - hey I am - I just have to wake up a bit that's all [14:09] <@WillyB> ok, last week we talked about setting your goals and how to make small goals you can accomplish in order to get to your main long term goal [14:09] <@Rowdy> Hiya all :) (Sorry... was on the phone there for a bit) [14:09] yep we sure did:) [14:09] *** Joins: SirMoby [14:10] hey SirMoby :)) [14:10] <@Rowdy> hi SirMoby [14:10] Hi Rowdy [14:10] <@WillyB> so this week we are going to talk about some of the tools you use to organize your sites, your business etc. [14:10] Hey Hey [14:10] <@WillyB> sound good to everyone? [14:10] yep sure does Willy [14:10] I can use such pointers [14:10] Ok :) [14:10] <@WillyB> hi ya SirMoby [14:10] <@Rowdy> hiya marie [14:10] Hey WillyB, Rowdy, Tia, Frank, juststeve and everyone else [14:10] hey SirMoby [14:10] <@Frank> Yep, making life as simple as possible sure helps. [14:11] Hey methie - good to see ay [14:11] <@WillyB> we sorta discussed html editors and such last week/week before [14:11] Hi SirMoby [14:11] hey cheekymarie - didnt see ya there [14:11] <@Frank> Hi SirMoby [14:11] <@Rowdy> Most important tool = Attitude/Dedication!!! :) [14:11] I love your cheeks Marie [14:11] Hi methie [14:11] :) [14:11] add networking to that Rowdy :) [14:11] heh [14:11] To hell with attitude, mine is fine - damn it :)) [14:11] haha [14:11] <@WillyB> Very True Rowdy! ..What are we all doing at this minute???? [14:12] got crowded when I was away.. hehe [14:12] <@Frank> Very true, if your not dedicated is hard to get motivated. [14:12] <@WillyB> the answer is ... Making Money!!! [14:12] <@WillyB> that is Always the answer to that question! [14:12] dunno about everyone else but I', trying to wake up [14:12] <@WillyB> lol steve! [14:12] * SirMoby was creating another AVS site but checked the baord just in time [14:12] <@Rowdy> attitude = social which equals networking... (nothing can be as easy as it looks...lol) [14:12] <@Rowdy> You got it Willy! [14:13] I just want everone to kiss my ass and send me lots of hits [14:13] lol [14:13] hah [14:13] don't we all lol :) [14:13] WillyB this look like a netsurprise room lol [14:13] <@WillyB> how do you go about building one site a day plus submitting it everywhere? [14:13] I know I do [14:13] * SirMoby wants everyone to use their credit card at least once per hit [14:13] heheheheeh [14:13] at LEAST once per hit [14:13] hi tia we were down for a few day [14:13] one per image is nice [14:13] *** Joins: ponkween [14:13] That would be best [14:13] <@WillyB> if you don't organize yourself and your computer you will not be able to get that done very easily [14:14] I know Chazz [14:14] <@Rowdy> hi ponkween [14:14] <@Frank> hi ponkween [14:14] Dedication and organisation [14:14] hiya ponkween [14:14] Hi all! [14:14] <@WillyB> hello ponkween [14:14] <@Frank> I like notepad myself, quick cut and paste [14:14] Rowdy, did you mention a PHP tool that you wrote? [14:14] Have a plan, a routine that you can stick to [14:14] hello ponkween [14:14] yep cut and paste [14:14] ok sorry if i didn't get your button up that my next ting on my list tia [14:14] <@WillyB> How do you keep your HD organized? [14:14] <@Rowdy> I wrote? not that i know of...lol [14:15] cheeky - yes - very important [14:15] no problem Chazz, whenever you get to it will be fine :) [14:15] * Chazz hides from tia [14:15] hehe [14:15] <@WillyB> can you find files and code snippets and sponsor codes easily? [14:15] we have our sites mirrored on our HD [14:15] Hiya juststeve [14:15] <@Frank> Takes just a few minutes to make a few text pages for different items such as links, se submits, etc... but once it's done you can just open, cut, and paste. Then add new stuff as needed. [14:15] hmm, now you have everyone thinking [14:16] g'day hppydude [14:16] <@WillyB> yep Frank [14:16] I use a dandy little tool called Password Tracker deluxe it's the bomb when it comes to checking your stats [14:16] what the topic today WillyB [14:16] <@WillyB> Oganization [14:16] <@WillyB> and some Cool Tools which can help you in your [14:16] <@WillyB> Job as an Adult Webmaster! [14:17] cool [14:17] http://www.clrpc.com/ptd/this is the url if anyone is interested in password tracker [14:17] <@Rowdy> Yes, making your own pages is a very easy way to keep organized.. takes just a few minutes to add things that otherwise would eat up your extra time trying to find [14:17] i need lots of help on Oganization hu tia [14:17] <@Frank> I have found that even making a html page with all your favorite links list on it linked so you can just cut and paste into sites saves alot of time. [14:17] *** Joins: mojo [14:17] Hiya Frank [14:17] <@Rowdy> Hi mojo [14:17] <@Frank> Hi HippyDude [14:17] Hiya's Frank :) [14:18] <@WillyB> Frank .. I have a dir. of individual code fragments.. mostly just tables of ads and recips .. etc.. [14:18] <@WillyB> cool tia :) thanks [14:18] <@Frank> OK, seems everything changes everyday, lol [14:18] hey everyone! [14:18] <@WillyB> hi ya mojo [14:18] hi mojo [14:18] <@Rowdy> good url tia [14:18] WillyB and Frank do you make those in hotepade, or another tool like dreamweaver? [14:18] * SirMoby uses SSI for links but sometimes has buttons for sites that won't like to a certain page [14:19] <@Frank> WillyB, yep, I have some pre-made tables. Works good. [14:19] <@Rowdy> Marie.. I use textpad but you can make it with whatever you are used to... just a personalized html page is all it is :) [14:19] <@WillyB> I use Homesite here Marie.. but I also use notepad for quck copy and pasting to use later [14:19] having a program that runs your footer and header help a ton [14:19] i wish html supported includes - then we could just change a sponsor file and everpage that used it would change [14:19] <@Frank> marie, I have my notes in notepad. [14:19] icq has notes that are very very handy [14:19] I like Homesite and the snippets section [14:19] and you can save them [14:19] thanks guys looks like you just about use anything to make them with [14:20] methie, if you can use Server SIde Includes, you can [14:20] i use homesite for my site even thought it all php [14:20] <@Frank> yep marie, you use whatever is easiest for you. [14:20] <@WillyB> yes Marie.. what ever you are the most comfortable with is really the best, because you know how to use it better [14:20] anyone in the sextoy biz out there? [14:20] sir - yes - you mentined that to me in your last e- - must get more info - definately :) [14:20] *** Joins: Buzzard [14:21] <@WillyB> hi ya Buzzard [14:21] hi Buzzard [14:21] hey Buzzard :)) [14:21] hello all [14:21] methie - contact your host, if you can use them, I'll walk you through it [14:21] <@Rowdy> I also use notepad to keep a few smaller "to do" lists and make shortcuts to the individual items on the desktop .. it helps save some time when looking for certain daily things and so forth [14:21] <@Rowdy> hi Buzzard [14:21] SirMoby - I can use SSI afaik [14:21] afaik? [14:21] <@Frank> Having a few premade site templates sure helps as well. just pop in the pics and banners and your good to go. [14:21] SirMoby - il check and let you know - thanks1` [14:21] Thanks! [14:21] <@Rowdy> not that I know of mojo [14:22] <@WillyB> So.. need to have a good Attitude and Dedication, and keep your frequently used html code handy in files [14:22] Frank - thats what im planniing on - a few good tempates [14:22] <@Frank> Yep, I have all my meta stuff in notepad, and java too, lolcut and paste, gotta love it. [14:22] <@WillyB> todo lists are handy also [14:23] yes - I keep a file with all the cool javascripts that I have found [14:23] and metas [14:23] thanks Rowdy! I've gotta great site that's just lookin' for hits. [14:23] I keep my to do lists right on my screen with an icq note, tucked away in the corner when I can just grab it [14:23] <@WillyB> yeah.. javascripts, .htaccess info, keywords and phrases for metas [14:23] <@Frank> methie, it won't take long to accumulate alot of templates, then you will rarely submit as site that looks the same in any short period of time. [14:23] <@WillyB> that's the best way I think also Frank [14:24] if anyone is interested - adobe has a killer too - called imageready - you can optimise images, create thumbs and rename them - all in one go - there is a free demo at adobe.com [14:24] i should work for them [14:24] <@Frank> personally I rarely do tgp. but if you do tgp, templates, premade links, and all that is a must for quickness. [14:24] <@WillyB> in the beginning build different sites always adding from what you learned from the last one you built [14:24] I like fireworks for that kinda thing myself [14:24] I use a product called Thumber for the thumbnails and gallery creation.Very nice program. [14:24] we use fireworks too - its a blast [14:24] <@WillyB> then when you get to where you are makeing sales on them.. you can tweek the old ones and copy and past all the directories and double you sites. [14:24] tiamat - yes fireworks rules too - i havent tried it in a while - can itr rename files? [14:24] <@WillyB> then you will just have a few weeks of submitting them [14:25] <@WillyB> and altering them [14:25] we use gallery maker pro, it's a very good gallery maker, and adds your links, banners and everything [14:25] *** Quits: mojo (QUIT: User exited) [14:25] tia: really - I must check it out [14:25] yes it can.. I believe.. never use that option though [14:25] how many sites is a managable number to be able to run as a part-time endeavor [14:25] tiamat - cool - I only use batch renames for tgp stuff [14:26] I just like it because it will hack them down but still make them look good.. some of those thumbnailing programs really butcher them [14:26] build one and forget it [14:26] <@WillyB> you should be able to do one a week nola [14:26] <@WillyB> after that they basically take care of themselves [14:26] Thats what I have been trying for, one free and one AVS each week [14:26] <@WillyB> if you get one or two that don't make money.. learn from them by changing on the next site [14:26] willyB - i have only one site and it got listed on tommys - and the traffic goes like this: [14:26] here ya go methie, best gallery maker you'll ever see http://www.thegrid.net/sjpsoftware/gmp/index.html [14:27] <@Frank> I think having a plan to allocate your time is a good time saver to. Have a specific time to check stats, e-mail, build sites, etc... [14:27] *** Quits: RevSassy-AdultWriters (Connection reset by peer) [14:27] <@WillyB> I am going to snag that up too tia ;) [14:27] I also heard that if a site isn't doing well, don't redo but scrap and start again, any truth [14:27] <@WillyB> well.. yes and no.. [14:27] this is per day....300,230,150,120,110,105,95,84,70,62,50, etc [14:27] <@WillyB> I will go through and tweek it [14:27] <@Frank> nola, not neccessarily, sites can be salvaged [14:27] tia: thanks - imma get it :) [14:27] <@WillyB> if it's tweekable... if it's too out of whack it may need just trashed [14:28] EVERYTHING is tweekable [14:28] in my mind anyway [14:28] willyb - those are uniques to the site - it seems to falloff im still waiting to see it level out [14:28] nola - if I have perminant links to it I sometimes tweak it - usually just forget about it though [14:28] I like to tweek and then watch it :) [14:28] <@WillyB> yes methie.. it goes on the top of the list and then each day more sites go on top of it [14:28] <@Rowdy> to a certain degree nola ... you do want the site to at least cover the cost of hosting it but you don't want to devote all your time to one site unless of course it is making some very good money by itself [14:29] *** Joins: RevSassy-AdultWriters [14:29] Agreed Rowdy [14:29] <@Rowdy> wb Sassy [14:29] willyb - but at some point does it become consistent [14:29] Hey Sassy girl :) [14:29] <@WillyB> that is an0thr thing you can do as well.. instead of building another.. build just another indexA.html for it when the traffic starts droppong off methie [14:29] I must say we have had sites doing nothing then maybe months later got spidered by the right search engine and started being productive [14:29] Methie... I'm in the "quantity not quality" camp for the most part.. [14:29] heyas tia [14:29] <@Rowdy> methie ... nothing stays the same in this business :) [14:29] wb RevSassy [14:30] 1 site with 200 uniques a day is not as good at 50 sites with 50 a day [14:30] <@WillyB> it does if you get it listed in a SE.. but even that will change over the months.. y [14:30] so right Tiamat [14:30] so one motto is jsut keep building [14:30] rowdy - heh - Well im gonna make it dammit - hahah.....well I guess I gotta buil more [14:30] <@WillyB> more sites keep being added to the tops of all the lists you can get on out there methie! [14:30] GG has a rule that if you site hasn't changed in 6 months it gets the flick - so does that mean we need to update our free sites all the time [14:30] build, build, build, then build some more [14:30] <@Rowdy> that's the way to look at it methie :) [14:30] tiamat- youre right - is 50 uniques a day average for a site? [14:30] <@Frank> I think consistency is learned through experience. Over a period of time you learn which link list work best for you, which search engines, sponsors, etc... When you get all that together in 1 place then you generally can start seeing consistancy. [14:30] *** Quits: Chazz (Ping Timeout) [14:31] rowdy: thanks [14:31] <@WillyB> Marie.. I do NOT .. especially when I get good traffic from GG's listings because [14:31] methie:I'd say no.. I have lots of sites that probably only get 1 hit a day [14:31] <@Rowdy> learn, build, learn more, build better and continue for as long as possible :) [14:31] <@WillyB> I change the site after it's dropped and get a NEW listing again when I resubmit it [14:31] <@WillyB> I only change the site so the files date changes [14:32] <@Frank> methie, I have some sites out there only getting 50 hits and some 1000+, there to many variables to say a average [14:32] ahh, ok :) my traffic is good from GG too, so was just curious.. [14:32] tiamat - ok - thanks thats good to know - note to self - make myoldnumberofsites^mynewnumberofsites by the end of the week ;-) [14:32] getting into the right category is important too [14:32] WillyB - How often do you have to 'new' content for all your free TGP / Linklist galleries / sites to get them listed with all hte big guys? [14:33] Frank: yes - i know this is a very grey area - howd you get 1000+ from one site? [14:33] <@WillyB> I hardly ever update the content.. unless it's an avs [14:33] I belivetargeted traffic is the key to success [14:33] Frank would it depend on the Niche? [14:33] willyb - thats good to know [14:33] <@Frank> methie, a hell of alotta links, some SE traffic, and self generated traffic. [14:33] WillyB - Should newbies be buying all their content or trying to use the sponsors free stuff? [14:33] <@WillyB> there are new surfers who have not seen the content so I don't worry about that [14:34] Frank - self generated - like your own linklist or what? [14:34] kranky... BUY IT.. (just cheap) [14:34] <@Frank> yes, from other sites of mine [14:34] <@WillyB> It is better to buy content Kranky [14:34] <@Rowdy> KranKy ... there are plenty of ways/places to get traffic from... best advice I can give anyone is get very good at getting a good conversion number then worry about getting massive traffic to a site. The big lists are great for traffic but you are for the most part getting experienced surfers which makes the selling style all that much more important [14:34] Kranky, learn with the sponsors content, then buy your own, that's what we did [14:34] Frank - cool :-) [14:34] <@WillyB> I have done well with sponsor content..but I've also had to wipe whole sites out because the content was not to be used any longer [14:35] *** Joins: Chazz [14:35] Or make your own. :) [14:35] Hiya WillyB [14:35] <@WillyB> sup hppydude [14:35] Naddda, just cyber chill'n [14:35] <@Rowdy> wb Chazz [14:35] Thanks guys - yeah conversions is what I'm worried about too - I don't want to lose cash on bandwidth! [14:35] thanks Rowdy [14:36] <@WillyB> Great point Rowdy [14:36] I started tgp's about a month ago - buying 4 sets a week - and paying a lot for bandwidth - and I made some money - not a lot though - if I made 100 I pent 66 on content and hosting [14:36] tgp is tough [14:36] we do things a little different 1 sponcer per site [14:36] <@WillyB> New webmasters are not as experienced at selling experienced surfers.. so smaller lists and SE's are better for a new webmaster [14:36] So linked lists IS easier to convert than TGP'n? [14:37] for most people.. somebody just have the "KNACK" for converting TGP though [14:37] <@WillyB> for the most part yes KranKy [14:37] SE's ? man I don't think newbies have the Experience to snag SE's though!? do they? [14:37] I haven't had an SE hit yet [14:37] hey, has anyone ever heard of Happy Bunny? [14:37] Well nowthat we are onto conversions.. if we can convince the surfer to get to your sponsor - how do we get them to keep going and sign up. I find that I have quite a few going to one surfer, checking it out, but not signing up... [14:38] <@WillyB> Everyone should be learning the SE's and submitting to them [14:38] sorry sponsor, not surfer [14:38] a great organizing tool is Info Select -http://www.miclog.com/isover.htm [14:38] I try to make my sites look a lot like my sponsors. [14:38] <@WillyB> KranKy..put metatags and keywords in the body and submit to the SE's ... you will gain experience and you will get some SE traffic [14:38] Yeah - I'm right into the SE thing - I was going to try TGP's and Linked lists etc. first though... [14:39] happy bunny rocks! [14:39] marie- that's a good point I have a good ratio of surfers clicking banners or text, but they seem to not buy that often - is it time for some different sponsors??? [14:39] <@Frank> Well said about link list. To many narrow their focus and loose money. Everyone thinks BIG and big traffic, instead of looking at the quality thereof or if you can make money off that traffic. [14:39] SirMobythat sounds like a great strategy [14:39] yes - conversions is my biggest problem- surely thats all up to the sponsor - if I get the uniques to the sponsor - and itsa good site it should convert? [14:39] <@WillyB> a few SE hits can be worth more to your bottom line that 1000 hits from somewher eles [14:39] thanks SirMoby [14:39] yes it does Tiamat :) [14:39] Hiya WillyB [14:39] Tia:it's been a while.. but as I recall.. she would only update once a week.. but the traffic would kickass for that week if she picked ya [14:40] Some of my girls are on the sponsors home page - that works best [14:40] <@Rowdy> KranKy .. always incorporate what you can into your sites for the SE's such as meta tags and alt tags. Sometimes you can get lucky and get a goldmine of traffic from anyone of these pages [14:40] we found Happy Bunny on a link list search a while back, and didn't think it would return much.. but wow.. when you're new it eplodes your stats with hits [14:40] ya, totally [14:40] explodes [14:40] lol [14:40] even better SirMoby [14:40] <@WillyB> is that at happybunny.com ? [14:40] Yeah SE traffic does sound like the best type - most other traffic is seasoned surfers wiht more time than cash... [14:40] grab this url everybody, and submit to them http://www.happybunny.net [14:41] <@Frank> WillyB, very true. I even had a good example. I had a old dead site that I wanted to try out a new sponsor on. So I changed everything then forgot about it. After a few months I started noticing a consistent 1 sale a month so I did some stats checking. I was getting about a straight 20 to 30 SE hits a day on it, that's all. [14:41] we kept this to ourselves for a long time :) [14:41] hahaha [14:41] hehe [14:41] the funny thing is, I just submitted to her last night after like 9 months away. hehe [14:41] <@WillyB> yep Frank.. and spending very little of that money on bandwidth ;) [14:42] It's hard to believe a site with a name like that is sooo big! [14:42] How many SE's is best to submit to? [14:42] <@WillyB> ok.. so no one tell about happybunny and we can all just start quietly submitting to them! lol [14:42] <@Frank> lol [14:42] lolWilly [14:43] so If a sponsor is converting your traffic at 1:900 does that mean its your site or theirs thats turning people off? [14:43] works for me [14:43] Hiya methie [14:43] <@WillyB> as many as you can.. but the main onesgoogle.. dmoz [14:43] hey hippydude [14:43] hello seeker methie ! [14:43] :-) [14:43] <@WillyB> I use the ones on the seearchengine zone [14:43] hippydude - huh? [14:43] dang.. gotta go pick up one of the kids from school.. I'll try to catch the end of the chat though [14:43] just went to happybunny.net and the site is gone [14:43] <@Frank> marie, personally I submit to anyone I find that takes adult sites, but I only "target" 3 [14:43] bbl [14:43] Methie: I had that problem with photoclubs for the tit crowd, they never convert surfers [14:43] <@Rowdy> methie... could be either or.. although the sponsor should sell a site it also depends on the traffic that is going into it... "pre-selling" is something that will increase your bottom line [14:43] cya tia [14:44] *** Quits: tia QUIT: User exited) [14:44] <@WillyB> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/graphixzone/ [14:44] HippyDude is a whore [14:44] which three Frank? [14:44] now I am using some of the ARS (massive mammories) with some success [14:44] WillyBis you were personally coaching a newbie,what kind of organizing tools and procedures would you get them started with? [14:44] Rowdy - so typicall y for LL traffic - what conversion shouls tell me something is wrong with the sponsor? [14:45] Rowdy sounds like an Evoy fan [14:45] hippyDude - whats seeker? [14:45] *** Joins: GonZo [14:45] WillyB - noticed you listed dmoz as a must - do you have to set up a whole phone #/ bus name/ contact name / fake address each time to get listed or are they happy to list lots of the same guys site - I know yahoo isn't that's all and helps to BS them to get listed (and pay the $) [14:45] <@Frank> auuu now Marie, lol, I usually build for Google, Altavista, AOL, and sometimes Excite [14:45] Musta missed the good stuff [14:46] hmm, never thought of AOL, but I do the others :) [14:46] Frank - I haven't found a good way to submit an adult site to AOL [14:46] <@Rowdy> methie... general sponsor and general traffic? nich sponsor and general traffic... genereal sponsor and niche traffic.... all are huge variables as well as the "frustration" value (the quality of the sites selling style) of the site the traffic is coming from. [14:46] the thing about dmozis they will get you spidered by lots of great engines [14:46] must do AOL too, what is your secret? [14:46] <@WillyB> Bixer.. make an html page with all you sponsors stats links.. then under that link your txt files of code snippets in it, etc.then use that page locally when you start work.. you can even put a linke to your to do file there [14:47] <@Rowdy> bottom line... if the site is making more money than it's caosting it's doing well and the next one you build should do even better :) [14:47] <@Frank> methie, here's a little tip that helps, yet you still don't know how much SE traffic they get. Many link list have a top 10 etc... listing on them. Look who they are, are they tgps or what, that can kinda give you a idea about quality of traffic. [14:47] Rowdy- I suppose so - a lot of variables [14:47] <@WillyB> then have your hd organizes.. a dir called Sites.. with every site you build in dir's there [14:47] <@Rowdy> hi gonzo [14:47] <@WillyB> each site in a seperate dir [14:47] anybody doing porn on a palm yet? [14:47] Frank - thats a great tip - very clever - ill do that [14:47] then you can tell what traffic they aregetting [14:48] <@WillyB> That will make it easy to copy and paste directories for more sites later [14:48] <@WillyB> Use an HTML editor that works good for you and copy and paste a lot [14:48] i heard that some guy started porn forhandhelds and was doing extremely well [14:48] <@Frank> for sites that use counters like say sexlist or sextracker, you can go to those places and get a idea of the amount of traffic they get as well [14:49] Im about to strat playing with it [14:49] lots of good ideas WillyB [14:49] <@WillyB> as for tools.. I use homesite.. ultra edit.. note pad.. and my local files [14:49] Frank - yes - I had a look at that last week - really cool to poke around sextracker and see who the big playersreally are [14:49] <@Rowdy> methie... then of course another thing is the difference in success some people have with a certain thing while many others have no luck ... so... take advice from everyone :) and then apply what has worked for you and track the success level. Soon enough you will see the trends of increase in certain areas and then that's where you concentrate your efforts. [14:50] *** Joins: dokk [14:50] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dokk [14:50] <@Frank> I think it good and a must to try and experiment with many things. Yet, not until you are making some money. Because you loose focus and get to distracted. [14:50] I sell things that I like best [14:50] <@Rowdy> Hiya dokk! [14:50] <@WillyB> my start page is on my d: drive and there is a link to a local page that has everything I need to know on them.. and the links all open into target news [14:50] Rowdy - great advice - you gotta be logical in this game [14:50] <@WillyB> Hello Dokk! [14:50] <@dokk> Hi Rowdy! [14:50] <@dokk> Hi WillyB! [14:50] RP Meggs! [14:50] Hi dokk [14:50] <@Frank> Well hi dokk! [14:50] Hey dokkk [14:50] hello dokk [14:50] morning dokk [14:50] <@dokk> hi cheekymarie sweetie, gonzo, frank, sir moby, methie! [14:51] <@dokk> and just steve and everybody! [14:51] :-) [14:51] <@dokk> hope yer all doing well! [14:51] <@WillyB> All the small things add up to saving a lot of time and with a daily routine you can become very productive with your time [14:51] <@WillyB> we are doing great dokk! thanks [14:51] <@WillyB> Great show last night mon! [14:51] Hey Dokk we've been talking about organizinghow do you stay organized with all the things you got going on? what tools do you use? [14:51] <@dokk> hehe i built a website for it! [14:51] Looking for a good strip joint in gainsville ga hahaha [14:51] <@dokk> http://www.webmastercalendar.com/ [14:51] <@WillyB> no kidding Bixer.. I have wondered that myself! hehehe [14:52] <@Frank> SirMoby, that is usually the best way to do it. Sell what you like. Yet, that may be in a saturated market that's harder to sell. I don't mean sell what you don't like. I just mean know your market. [14:52] <@dokk> it's the only way i could keep track [14:52] Mr. DoKKhow goes it? [14:52] lol dokk [14:52] <@dokk> goes good buzzard! [14:52] great!! [14:52] thanks Willybyour suggestions are great [14:52] <@dokk> i know it sounds weird but hell yeah i had to build a calendar site cuz i didn't know who's show etc was on when [14:52] <@dokk> and i'm terrible with nots [14:52] <@dokk> notes too [14:52] <@dokk> lol [14:52] Notes sux [14:52] <@Frank> lol, me too dokk [14:53] are there any thoughts on auto submitters for linklists? [14:53] I used em for TGP and pic posts [14:53] gonzo - yes - they have a place there imho [14:53] methie be careful with auto submitters with the big LLs [14:53] <@WillyB> Very cool dokk! [14:53] <@Frank> most link list don't like them anymore methie, usually better to hand submit. [14:53] Methie, I noticed that some link lists won't accept auto submits [14:54] Cheekmari - can they tell [14:54] Frank - yes - I agree - id rather hand submit to big guys - but for the smaller ones - ? [14:54] <@WillyB> I have my todo text file linked to my start page too [14:54] some are claiming dumptruck works good for submitting [14:54] hmm, yes they can, don't ask me how .. I just know they can [14:54] Hiya WillyB [14:54] <@WillyB> It opens it up in text pad [14:54] <@dokk> hmm.. todo file [14:54] whats dumptruck? [14:54] security guy over on the newbie board has a submit tool that seems to be accepted by lots of places [14:54] <@dokk> that is a good idea [14:54] <@Frank> methie, because it's not being submitted by you, it's submitted by the autosubmitter. [14:54] <@dokk> dumptruck is a free se submitter [14:54] Buzzard - really thats a mac prog I think? [14:55] <@dokk> it's worth about what ya pay for it [14:55] Ive done good with hitguru [14:55] <@WillyB> I have used that befor dokk [14:55] dump truck submits to about 6 enginesthat is the only thing it does [14:55] Hiya WillyB [14:55] <@Rowdy> methie .. not worth it because of the following for a general rule ..... if there are folks that have custom programs that build them a 100 sites a day and then are using autosubmitters for all 100 sites, the linksites that are accepting them for the most part are in a way being "milked" of their traffic value. Therefore.. decreasing the value of the hit they are sending out as the auto submitted sites will only be trading traffic at those other specific [14:55] Frank - but essentially youre just filling out a form? - a script can use the exact same info from your same ip? [14:55] <@dokk> yup [14:56] Rowdy - yes - I can see that being a huge problem - rapid oversaturation [14:56] <@Rowdy> but please note "general rule" as there are exceptions to everything :) [14:56] <@dokk> i need a script that will control my wife's spending... willing to pay anything!!!! [14:56] Hi Dokk from me and Miriam. [14:56] <@dokk> ;-)) [14:56] <@Rowdy> amen dokk!!! [14:56] <@dokk> Hi MaskedMan! [14:56] forget it DoKK [14:56] <@Frank> lol dokk [14:56] <@dokk> Hi Sweet Miriam! [14:56] <@WillyB> LOL dokk... I don't think they have one yet [14:56] <@dokk> I need help Buzzard! [14:56] dokk you better go talk to TDavid :) [14:56] <@dokk> lol [14:57] <@dokk> i don't think he can help me [14:57] <@dokk> i need radiation or soemthing [14:57] lol [14:57] <@dokk> ;-))) [14:57] I heard uranium works [14:57] <@dokk> i'm willing to go for it! anybody got any extra they wanna sell? [14:57] friends in iraq??? [14:58] just don't try smoking it dokk - I hear it blows your mind :) [14:58] I just grab what little money I can and give the rest up for lostlol [14:58] <@WillyB> hahahaha [14:58] I think Miriam's body generates it.Staying around her too long leaves one feeling dizzy and light headed. :) [14:58] <@dokk> what's the long distance code for iran? i'm gonna call information there [14:58] <@dokk> lol [14:58] my girlfriend is out of town for the week, I'm sleeping so well [14:58] hehe [14:58] I think its 21343452463574658456567858668756895897 [14:58] <@dokk> calling [14:59] <@dokk> lol [14:59] haha [14:59] <@WillyB> ok.. so did everyone learn something today?? [14:59] <@WillyB> hehehe [14:59] other than the spending habits of DOkk's wife? [14:59] I learned that everyone has their own ideas of what works. :) [14:59] Yes WillyB, just thinking about what I learned, and have to put that into practice [14:59] i learnt to stay away from auto anything - except if it helps me get organised [14:59] <@WillyB> I learned I hve to exercise my dang fingers more! LOL [14:59] I learned HippyDude is a whore [14:59] hahaha [15:00] buzzard - funny [15:00] <@dokk> I learned i need a todo list! [15:00] <@WillyB> lol dokk! [15:00] <@dokk> i gotta get here earlier [15:00] I have a quick comment on the whole auto-build/submit thing [15:00] Hiya Tiamat [15:00] <@dokk> we need newbietv [15:00] hiya hippy [15:00] <@WillyB> you have to make sure you read it and asdd to it everyday as well dokk [15:00] updating my todo files, listing my links, phrases and lots of other things to help me build at least one site a day [15:00] hi ya Tiamat [15:00] Hiya WillyB [15:00] <@WillyB> yeah we doo dokk [15:00] <@WillyB> shut up hippydude or I wll roll and smoke you! [15:00] yes newbietv would be awesome [15:01] I learned I have lots more to learn... :) [15:01] I got lazy and did the autobuild thing from a script and it pumped out sites just fine.. but they were no where near the quality of the sites that I actually build myself [15:01] streaming show [15:01] so my conversion ratios went to hell... [15:01] tiamat - thats good to hear [15:01] perhaps dokk, you need to run a show for newbies, and have these guys talking live also [15:01] my usually dependable link sites stopped linking my crappy ones [15:01] hmmm - not good [15:01] and in general.. my quality went into the dumpster [15:01] SO..... don't do that [15:01] <@WillyB> Tiamat.. you can keep using it, but then edit what it makes for you.. it may be that doing it that way will help you biuld them faster and of better quality, like you want [15:02] <@Rowdy> About smaller listsites ... here's stats over a few months from a topsite that sends one of my little free sites traffic... less than a 100 hits a day but check out how the value of the traffic exchange adds up on this History In / Out:935823227 [15:02] <@Frank> Tiamat, good point. Things that look like everything else doesn't seem to sell as well. Being different in this biz pays off. [15:02] yeah Dokkget that newbietv up soon [15:02] Willy... actually.. I'm doing that a bit.. taking my existing crappy ones and revamping them a bit and submitting them in [15:02] NudeBeeTV.Niche? [15:03] but I'm not going to go back to using it.. was not happy with the results.. just the laziness hehe [15:03] Fantasy [15:03] Rowdy: thats pretty amazing [15:03] <@WillyB> I have a php script I use that does not make a site.. only the framework for it.. it does all the hard boring stuff and I get to put it all in fancy tables and thing [15:03] Hiya WillyB [15:03] <@WillyB> it saves me a bunch of time [15:03] saving time.. that's cool [15:03] I still wanna do palm porn [15:04] Well, thanks all, but I have some work to do, as usual learned lots. Off like a prom dress [15:04] Gonzo - yes - I think is good [15:04] lol later nola [15:04] I found in my stats, that I do get traffic from the smaller lists, so that is cool... sometimes mor than the bigger lists [15:04] <@Rowdy> evaluate everything is the point I'm trying to make :) Small numbers add up and when multiplied by many sites... a person can have quite a bit of traffic and not even realize it :) [15:04] haha - cya nola [15:04] me tooGonZohave you joined palm allience yet? [15:04] <@Frank> see ya nola, glad you were hear today [15:04] <@WillyB> see ya nola :) [15:04] where dat? [15:04] cya [15:04] <@WillyB> thanks for comeing :) [15:04] *** Quits: nola (QUIT: User exited) [15:04] Thanks for the info everyone.Take it easy Dokk! [15:04] I love to save time... just not cut corners anymore.. let's put it that way [15:05] on palm site it is for developers [15:05] <@WillyB> thanks for coming MaskedMan :) [15:05] <@WillyB> hope tosee more of you :) [15:05] Cool Ill check it [15:05] free to join [15:05] thanks willyB another great topic thanks all for the good ideas [15:05] <@WillyB> at least your presence hehehe [15:05] <@WillyB> cool.. glad you liked it Bixer :) [15:05] they give you a emulator and tools [15:05] *** Quits: MaskedMan (QUIT: User exited) [15:05] yes thanks everyone - willyB frank ;-) [15:05] who was that masked man :) [15:05] <@WillyB> :-) [15:05] <@Rowdy> WillyB gettin freindly? lol [15:05] cool thanks Buzzard! [15:05] <@WillyB> lol steve! [15:05] <@Frank> glad you were hear methie! [15:05] yep [15:06] <@WillyB> not That friendly Rowdy [15:06] <@WillyB> lol [15:06] <@Rowdy> you aren't in a wierd mood are ya Willy? figured I should ask before I came over there...lol [15:06] <@WillyB> glad to hve you here again this week methie :) [15:06] <@Rowdy> hahahaha [15:06] <@WillyB> ha ha ha [15:06] we do have a wirless sponserwritegraphics47@lorettotel.net ask tia about it [15:06] well - I got 10 days before i get my dsl back - so Imma redesign it till its purrrfect [15:06] <@WillyB> had to kick the cats out of here [15:07] Dokk I got a question for you...not pertaining to this. [15:07] wow so many things to think about lol - well you guys do this to me all the time [15:07] willyB - hehe - in a while from now youll be tryin to get rid of me ;-) [15:07] <@Frank> I have found it's good to plan ahead as well. Think and write out your site descriptions, categories, etc... before you start submitting [15:07] <@WillyB> hehehe marie! [15:07] Hiya Frank [15:07] Frank - great idea - i always am trying to wing it when Im looking at the submit form [15:07] hmm, too early in the am to think, but it is happening. [15:07] <@WillyB> You know that I am usually in here if anyone has more questions during the week as well.. and Rowdy is in here in the mornings usually [15:08] here as in here in the chat? [15:08] <@WillyB> yes methie [15:08] <@Rowdy> yes [15:08] I sit and draw up how to design some of my sites before building them.. that is when I am changing the layout [15:08] coooool - thats awesome [15:08] <@Rowdy> as well as http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/index.phtml [15:08] <@Frank> methie, that's what I mean. many wing it without really "targetting" anything specific. [15:08] thanks WillyB [15:09] <@Rowdy> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiecenter/ - Newbie Center [15:09] <@dokk> sure gonzo.. sorry i had some issues to take care of here.. [15:09] <@WillyB> sure Marie :) [15:09] <@Frank> A good unique description can mean the difference between a click or not [15:09] *** Quits: methie (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] issues to take care of(that call to iran)lol [15:09] Frank - so you suggest always adding text and not just banners? [15:09] <@WillyB> we will have this chat up in the archives very soon [15:09] When did you kill off the Software Monster? [15:09] *** WillyB changes topic to 'Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - WebCreators Only' [15:09] ok WillyB [15:10] Thanks for the tip Buzzard [15:10] <@dokk> i never did gonzo.. swmonster.com is still an active domain [15:10] not a problem GonZo [15:10] cool. I was talking dial up though. Hell gonzo.com was registered back in 93 [15:10] *** Joins: tia [15:10] <@WillyB> wb tia :) [15:10] <@Frank> KranKy, i was talking about submitting to link list. But no, banners have their purpose but I think it's the text that gets into their head and paints a picture. [15:10] thanks :) [15:11] <@WillyB> I was on swmonster the other day GonZo [15:11] ohh cool. [15:11] <@dokk> probably i took it down in 97 i think [15:11] about the same time for mine too. Just curious about other locals and how they got into this. [15:12] <@Frank> I think if you do banners it helps to have text that correspond with both the pictures and banners to keep the theme and get the surfer interested. [15:12] <@WillyB> that was a bbs .. that was before my time [15:12] I was on swmonster back when it was the bbs [15:12] *** Joins: methie [15:12] <@WillyB> wb methiie [15:12] I put up banners and text :) Some people out there have a problem with reading, so they rely on the pics on the banners [15:12] oops - the phone actually disconnected me [15:12] text links are far superior to banners, nothing works better than CLICK HERE [15:12] <@WillyB> I put up text around all my banners or only text [15:12] ill be back - the cable guy is here - woohooo - something actually worked - they came when I scheduled them to be here [15:12] Hello there methie [15:13] <@WillyB> hehehe methie [15:13] <@WillyB> good deal [15:13] lol [15:13] haha - ill be bcak in a little [15:13] shut your mouth tia we do banner work you know [15:13] <@Frank> My favorite saying... if you get into their minds their dicks and credit cards are soon to follow, LOL [15:13] hahaha [15:13] just wanted to say thanks foreverything - great chat [15:13] lol [15:13] dokk - niice to finally meet you [15:13] <@WillyB> thanks for helping make it that way methie :) [15:13] by methis [15:14] methie [15:14] How creative do you guys get wiht your text? Do you ensure that it fits your sponsors home page and content etc.? [15:14] <@Frank> yep, without good questions and feedback from everyone this wouldn't work. [15:14] I let sin-text write mine [15:14] <@Frank> KranKy, I think the nastier the better, yet it has to fit the pics and sponsor as closely as possible. [15:15] well yes Kranky, otherwise they wouldn't sign up with that sponsor, best thing to do is don't lie, and take them by the hand to where you want them to go [15:15] *** Quits: methie (Connection reset by peer) [15:15] sin-text? [15:16] we don't want to fool anyonesend them where they are intrested to be [15:16] yup [15:16] www.sin-text.com [15:16] does it work for you gonzo? [15:16] * RevSassy-AdultWriters also has a writing site :) [15:16] Yes and Sassy has been around a long time too. [15:16] :) and a good one at that:) [15:16] :P~ [15:16] <@WillyB> you should tell them about all the wonderful features and sex they will get to see with your sponsors KranKy.. you have to sell the good point of your sponosrs [15:17] thx GonZo ;) [15:17] These guys are just locals so I hooked up with em. [15:17] stories are very good for search engines [15:17] <@Frank> Buzzard, exactly! And that all starts with links, etc... I see so many mess ups. People in a teen category that go to a fetish site or something. Stay focused on what you are trying to sell and sell what the surfer came looking for. [15:17] local is cool LOL [15:17] lots of key words [15:17] well they will go drinking with me [15:17] <@Rowdy> ok.. got to run all .. c'yas next week if not sooner :) [15:17] definitely tia --- can even hide em in the bground if u dont want em to show on your page LOL [15:17] <@Frank> by Rowdy, good to see ya! [15:17] cya Rowdy :) [15:17] bye Rowdy [15:17] cya Rowdy.. [15:17] <@Rowdy> later :) [15:17] *** Quits: Rowdy (QUIT: User exited) [15:18] take it easy Rowdy great chat [15:18] *** Quits: ponkween (QUIT: User exited) [15:18] right, no hiding stories, put them right where people can see [15:18]