[14:01] *** WillyB changes topic to 'Newbie Chat going on NOW! TOPIC: How To Read and Understand Your Stats~Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Entertainment Folks Only!!!' [14:01] <+tia> raring to go :) [14:01] *** WillyB sets mode: +o Rowdy [14:01] <@WillyB> Hi Rowdy [14:01] <+Snikks> doing great here...been a very busy morning thus far, I really need to get back at it LOL [14:01] <+Frank> thanks tia, I try my best. Hope my two cents helps,lol. I'm a guy trying to make a living like everyone. [14:02] <+Frank> I always like your input to tia, alot of good info. I like the work you do to. Looks great. [14:02] <+Frank> Being involved like you are goes a long way. [14:03] <+tia> I post on the newbie board for fun :) I love helping them, they're always so grateful :) [14:03] <+Frank> I get alot from the new folks. Always need that fresh blood to keep ya going. [14:04] <@Rowdy> ok... " How To Read and Understand Your Stats" ... any questions? :) [14:05] <+Snikks> ya know you're in for a long day when ya try to copy and paste to a paper on your desk [14:05] <+Snikks> sorry for the interrupt [14:05] <@Rowdy> lol.. been there and done that snikks [14:05] <+Snikks> lol [14:07] <@WillyB> Looks like everyone knows how to read their stats ... hehehe .. anyone use 3rd party counters at all? [14:07] <+Frank> I know as far as my stats go I like seeing what people click on most. Tells me alot about what interested someone. [14:08] <+Frank> I made another newbie board post. We need one of those marquese like others have when there's a event happening,lol [14:08] <@Rowdy> Good point Frank ... protection from hotlinkers, and where the surfer is going is probably the biggest two with the third reason for stats being referals [14:08] <+tia> those are easy to do in html Frank [14:09] <+Frank> you talking marqese tia, yea I have some, but i'm not then one that puts in on the board,LOL [14:09] <+tia> oh.. hehe [14:10] <@Rowdy> not really sure why the chat box notification window isn't showing up on the boards right now.. I'll have to check with TDavid on it [14:10] <+Frank> Rowdy, yep, I found found to that different host provide alot of different types of stats. Some suck. [14:11] <+tia> ours uses flashstats.. I love that one [14:11] <@Rowdy> I agree Frank ... there is some worthless stat programs out there [14:11] <@HippyDude>Q: What is the Taliban's national bird?.......A: Duck [14:12] <@WillyB> talking to ppl I have found the most common stat's programs used by hosts are analog wusage and webtrends [14:12] <+tia> HippyDude, stop fooling around and put some ads up there :) [14:13] <@WillyB> lol tia! [14:13] <+Frank> My stats are decent but I don't get exit stats which sucks. [14:14] <@Rowdy> exit stats are nice indeed although one can get a good idea of what is happening on their site with just a decent tracking stats programs as well [14:14] <@WillyB> you need a script for that I think Frank [14:14] <+Frank> Yet, as I mentioned above I can look at page views and such and get a idea of how people are going through my site and what pics they liked the most and such. [14:14] <@Rowdy> having those pics on html pages sure do come in handy for easyu tracking :) [14:14] <@WillyB> yep.. then you can tweek the bandwidth on the pics too [14:14] <@HippyDude>Q: What is the Taliban's national bird?.......A: Duck [14:15] <+Frank> yep, many moons ago I liked putting my pics on html, even gives more pages to be spidered. Yet, it's hard to find folks to let ya do that anymore,lol [14:15] *** Joins: Buzzard [14:15] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Buzzard [14:15] *** Joins: GonZo [14:15] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v GonZo [14:15] <+Buzzard> lo all [14:15] <+tia> hey Buzzard :) [14:15] <+tia> hiya Gonzo :) [14:15] <+Frank> hi Buzzard, Gonzo [14:16] <+GonZo> afternoon fellow pornlords [14:16] <@Rowdy> hi Buzzard and Gonzo [14:16] <@WillyB> hiya GonZo [14:16] <@WillyB> hello there Buzzard [14:17] <+Frank> I don't use it alot but it's cool to see the hourly stats as well. Gives you a idea where they may be surfing from, work, etc... [14:17] <+GonZo> whatzzat? [14:18] <+Frank> We're talking about server stats Gonzo. [14:18] <+GonZo> Which program? I use a few [14:19] <+Frank> Any and all, and whatever the host may provide. General Q & A for newbies and such. [14:19] <+GonZo> cool. If your host dont provide one you can get a few 3rd party ones for free. [14:20] <+Frank> Basic How To Use And Understand Stats. [14:20] <@WillyB> yes GonZo.. I like CE's counter that pays [14:20] <@WillyB> it gives good stats as well [14:20] <@WillyB> hehehe [14:20] <@WillyB> then I check them w/ the server stats to get a rough average [14:21] <+GonZo> I used to use Web Side Stry's but not anymore [14:21] <+GonZo> The easiest one Ive set up on my own thats 3rd party is webtrendslive and its free. [14:21] *** Joins: JP|go4livecam [14:21] <@Rowdy> Hi JP [14:21] Hi guys [14:21] <@WillyB> hello JP :) [14:22] <+tia> hey JP [14:22] *** WillyB sets mode: +o Frank [14:22] <@WillyB> sorry bout that Frank [14:22] <@Frank> lol [14:22] <+Kre8t0r> damn people [14:22] <@WillyB> what Stats program do you use JP? on your servers? [14:22] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:22] *** Joins: cheekymarie [14:22] <+Kre8t0r> JP!! [14:22] <@WillyB> morning cheekymarie :) [14:22] <+tia> hey Marie :) [14:22] <@Frank> Hi marie! [14:22] <@Rowdy> Hiya cheekymarie [14:22] <+Kre8t0r> you type too fast for me dud [14:22] <+Kre8t0r> e [14:23] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:23] <+Kre8t0r> blew me away last nite [14:23] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v JP|go4livecam [14:23] <+Kre8t0r> hey rowdy, marie [14:23] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v cheekymarie [14:23] <+cheekymarie> Hi there :) [14:23] <+Kre8t0r> ok.... [14:23] <+cheekymarie> Hi Kre8t0r [14:23] <@Rowdy> Hiya Kre8t0r [14:23] <+cheekymarie> morning all :) [14:23] <+Kre8t0r> all that and he want even here [14:24] *** Joins: HTML-Guru [14:24] <+Kre8t0r> wasnt even [14:24] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v HTML-Guru [14:24] <@Rowdy> hi HTML-Guru [14:24] <+Stagger> i just bought a cobalt raq4 server that i have co-located. I am trying to provide hosting for other webasters. What is a good statistics prgram that i can use to provied users with good stats? [14:24] <+HTML-Guru> hi everybody [14:24] <+Kre8t0r> hmmm [14:24] <@WillyB> hello HTML-Guru :) [14:24] <+tia> hi HTML-Guru [14:24] <+GonZo> It comes with WebTrends too I think...or my 3 did [14:24] <+Kre8t0r> urchin is good [14:24] <@WillyB> yes.. I agree w/ GonZo .. webtrends is pretty good program [14:25] <+Kre8t0r> whats that one conepuppy used on his old server? [14:25] <@WillyB> analog? [14:25] <+Kre8t0r> yup [14:25] <+GonZo> Raq4 is a sweet virtual host Stagger [14:25] <@WillyB> those are not bad either [14:25] <+Stagger> is it? [14:25] <@WillyB> I have seen urchin too.. but did not really like it too much [14:25] <+Stagger> it works for me and my friends [14:26] <+GonZo> yup...tech support sux though hahah [14:26] <+cheekymarie> Sorry I'm late guys - just finished packing - can you tell me what the chat is about this morning please :) [14:26] <+Stagger> but i have not gotten any good customers yet [14:26] <+Kre8t0r> thats what i have at candid [14:26] <+Kre8t0r> its pretty good better than webalizer imo [14:26] <+GonZo> If you need some good colo pricing send me an email and Ill see what I can do. [14:26] <@Frank> marie, server stats, using and understanding them. [14:26] <@WillyB>How To Read and Understand Your Statsmarie [14:26] <@WillyB> any questions??? [14:27] <+cheekymarie> hmmm - ok thanks guys [14:27] <+Stagger> not only do i need to give customers good stats but i need to monitor their usage [14:28] <+Kre8t0r> no doubt thats the first concern [14:28] <+Stagger> yes [14:28] <@WillyB> mkstats did that Stagger.. and WebTrends bought them out.. so I imagine WebTrends can do that for you [14:28] <+GonZo> yup...loved mkstats [14:28] <+cheekymarie> actually we checked our stats with pmb last night along with others and one sale took place 1:17.5 is that ok lol not many people checked out the sponsor on that one.. I check my stats each week from my server to see where my traffic is coming from [14:29] <@WillyB> plus.. you can use various scripts on the host it'self to monitor usage Stagger [14:29] <@WillyB> is that all you check for cheekymarie? [14:29] <+Stagger> would i get those directly from sun cobalt? [14:29] <@WillyB> in your server stats that is? [14:30] <@WillyB> not sure about that Stagger [14:30] <+cheekymarie> no - I check for referer failures, words used, referring urls and heaps of other things too - [14:30] <@WillyB> there are probably some out on the web you can find [14:30] <+GonZo> Comes loaded on the Colabt by default [14:30] *** MuddyGone is now known as MuddyJoe [14:30] <@WillyB> ok, because knowing how and why to read your sever stats can be a big plus [14:31] <+GonZo> and the Cobalt too haha [14:31] <@WillyB> you catch hotlinkers [14:31] <+cheekymarie> It is all listed when I check the stats - there is a list of things - I like to know how many people visit my sites, which pages they go to, if any pages failed them - I check everything I can to make sure it is working [14:31] <@WillyB> you can see what the surfers are looking at and then tweek your bandwidth [14:31] <+Kre8t0r> i know i'm gettin a bit of bw scammed still... [14:31] <+Kre8t0r> fuckin chat-hackers [14:31] <+GonZo> hotlinked? [14:32] <@WillyB> wb MuddyJoe [14:32] <+MuddyJoe> thx [14:32] <@Rowdy> wb MuddyJoe [14:32] <+MuddyJoe> thx [14:32] <+Stagger> ive looked at something that came loaded with it.. but hell if i can make sense of it... [14:32] <+Kre8t0r> re joe [14:32] <@WillyB> how do you stop those ppl Kre8t0r? [14:32] <+MuddyJoe> re thx [14:32] <+GonZo> Why should you stop them? [14:32] <+Kre8t0r> .htaccess is the onlyway i know [14:32] <+Kre8t0r> send them to cj hell [14:32] <@WillyB> lol [14:33] <+cheekymarie> yep - I work on it all the time to make sure I am not losing bandwidth - [14:33] <@Rowdy> just redirect the stealing shits :) [14:33] <@Frank> hehe, I love sending hotlinkers to popup hell. [14:33] *** Quits: GonZo (Connection reset by peer) [14:33] <+Kre8t0r> LOL [14:34] <+Kre8t0r> i get a chuckle outta it myself [14:34] <@WillyB> What else are server stats worth looking at for? [14:34] <+cheekymarie> guys sorry - got to go... Frank I am about to post the first few pages of my site for review - was hoping to have them finished , but the Doc brought my visit to hospital forward and I am due there in about 45 minutes - so I will catch you later - :) [14:34] <@Rowdy> I actually love making a copy of the index page for the redirect... that way, the smart one thnks they just went back to the beginning of the site. About then is when they realize that every link on the page hits a sponsor instead of the site..lol [14:34] <@WillyB> good luck Marie.. hope you have a good day :) [14:34] <@Rowdy> take care and good luck marie! [14:34] <+Kre8t0r> rofl [14:34] <+cheekymarie> lol - well I will be out of it for most of it :) [14:34] *** Joins: GonZo [14:34] <+Kre8t0r> good one rowdy [14:34] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v GonZo [14:34] <+MuddyJoe> I don't like sending hot linkers to pop up hell... if a surfer goes to their site, clicks on a picture that is hotlinked to me (the big jpg) I don't want to crash the surfers computer.... I make a page with 1-2 popups and the page has 4free shit or a pay per click program. [14:34] <+cheekymarie> but will catch you later :) [14:34] <+cheekymarie> hugs [14:34] <@WillyB> wb GonZo [14:35] *** Parts: cheekymarie [14:35] <@Frank> some shits are really stupid though. One hotlinked a unprotected thumb of a mainpage and still had it linked to the full sized one in my protected image directory. Everytime they clicked it they went to popup hell,lol [14:35] <+Kre8t0r> hehe [14:35] <@WillyB> if you hot-link.. you are not too smart anyway! lol [14:35] <+Kre8t0r> well nobody ever said all hackers are smart :p [14:35] <+GonZo> yup [14:35] <@Frank> true [14:36] <@Frank> hell, if your protected hotlinkers are just more free traffic,lol [14:36] <+Kre8t0r> just cause ya have a gun dont mean you can shoot...hehe [14:36] <@WillyB> I've sat on a password channel b4 and watched.. they are busy channels :(( [14:36] <+Kre8t0r> they are good testing areas too [14:36] <@WillyB> that is true Frank [14:37] <+Kre8t0r> i used a few to test the security of our site [14:37] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:37] <+Kre8t0r> had like 3 of them runnin their lame ass scripts [14:37] <@WillyB> OK.. Who Wants to see the New Tool ????? [14:37] <@Frank> I've never been on a non-unix server though. I hear you can still protect yourself but not with .htaccess. [14:37] <@WillyB> some of you have already see it helping me test it [14:37] <+Kre8t0r> one got in and the security script killed the pass in 5 mins [14:38] <+tia> :) [14:38] <+Kre8t0r> hi tia! [14:38] <+MuddyJoe> kind of not true Frank. I think you can only do it through ASP or some program you buy but it protects pics only and you have to put a special code on each img or something. [14:38] <@WillyB> http://www.maniawaste.net/php/ssb/<-- New Tool! FREE!!! [14:38] <+tia> hehe.. been talking to a client [14:38] <+Kre8t0r> didnt see ya down there :p [14:39] <+MuddyJoe> neet WillyB [14:39] <@Rowdy> great tool willy! [14:39] <@Frank> WillyB's been working for sure. That's a great tool to use for sure. [14:39] <+tia> sure is Willy, and I'm gonna use it too :) [14:40] <@WillyB> I have gotten w/ TDavid and we are gonna be tweeking it up a bit this weekend too :) [14:40] <+tia> cool! [14:40] *** Quits: GonZo (Ping Timeout) [14:41] <+tia> I didn't get a chance to really look it over good the other day Willy, can html be used along with it? [14:41] <@WillyB> it is html tia [14:41] <+tia> for example, banners be put in [14:42] <@WillyB> well... you put your sponsor code in and it generates the pages using that.. but you still have to edit it and put your banners in the img src [14:42] <+tia> I have a gallery maker that works that way [14:42] <@WillyB> That is a good idea though.. I will see about adding that too it.. make it more handy that way I think ;) [14:42] <+tia> yep it will [14:43] <+Buzzard> WillyByour coolness is only exceeded by your generosity:) [14:43] * +tia agrees :) [14:43] <@WillyB> hehe.. Y thank you Buzzard and tia :-)) [14:43] <+Kre8t0r> no doubt a gallery maker would be awesome [14:43] <+Kre8t0r> especially for a lazy shit like me [14:43] <+Kre8t0r> hehe [14:43] <@Frank> yep, WillyB always blows me away. [14:43] <@Rowdy> lol [14:44] <+tia> you ever hear of gallery maker pro Kre8t0r? [14:44] <@WillyB> actually.. you can use it to make them K.. but it leaves the gallery page unformatted so you can make it personal.. it just basically puts links to you pic pages and thumbs on the page [14:44] <@Rowdy> Willy is a good one! I'm proud to have him as a partner in the business :) [14:44] <+Kre8t0r> nope [14:44] <@WillyB> along w/ a few sponsor codes [14:44] <+tia> you're lucky to have him for sure Rowdy :) [14:44] <@WillyB> thanks Rowdy :-)) [14:44] <@HippyDude>Q: How is Bin Laden like Fred Flintstone?.......A: Both may look out their windows and see Rubble. [14:45] <@Frank> lol [14:45] <+tia> lol [14:45] <@WillyB> glad to have you as a partner also :)so.. none of the mushy crap anymore.. ok! LOLOL! [14:45] <+Kre8t0r> can you use templates with gmp tia? [14:45] <+tia> hahaha [14:46] <@Rowdy> mushy? fuck you... back to work... better? :) [14:46] <@Frank> lol [14:46] <+Kre8t0r> right now i use arles but the template feature is worthless [14:46] <+tia> it just makes galleries Kre8t0r, with banners, headers and footers, it's cool [14:46] <+Kre8t0r> hmmm have to check that out thanx tia [14:46] <+tia> rofl Rowdy! [14:46] <+Kre8t0r> lmao [14:47] <@WillyB> rofl Rowdy ;) [14:48] * @WillyB kicks Hippy [14:48] <@WillyB> How many ppl here use 3rd party counters? [14:48] <@HippyDude>Want to Party Down?!! Come to #mainstage, this server Thursday's at 9pm Eastern/6pm Pacific time! [14:48] <+Kre8t0r> i do [14:49] <@Rowdy> supplemental only [14:49] <+Stagger> i do [14:49] <+Kre8t0r> same here [14:49] <@WillyB> yep.. me too [14:49] <@WillyB> are they accurate w/ server stats ya think? [14:49] <+Kre8t0r> good ole paycounter [14:49] <+Buzzard> Quick anouncmentI have just found out that someone in this room has gotten tickets for king crimson nov 7th [14:49] <@WillyB> or can anything be as accurate do you think? [14:49] <+Kre8t0r> nothing is as acurate as server stats [14:49] <+tia> http://www.thegrid.net/sipsoftwarethis is the homepage for gallery maker pro [14:49] <+Stagger> ive seen a little on paycounter. ive only used sextracker which ihave dumped for hitbox [14:50] <@Rowdy> to many variables for anything to be overly accurate compared to another i9t seems to me [14:50] <+Bixer> ? pro's and con's of 3rd party counters? recommendations? [14:50] <+Kre8t0r> thanx tia [14:50] <+tia> lol Buzzard [14:50] <@Frank> I don't 3rd party counter are that accurate but I use them for a general tool. [14:50] <@WillyB> my favorite is CE's CashCount [14:50] <@WillyB> I have used sextracker before too... [14:50] <@Frank> But I guess if you're gonna use on use one that pays,lol [14:50] <+tia> you got tickets for King Crimson Buzzard...:/ [14:51] <+Buzzard> oh yes i did ......................didn't I? [14:51] <@WillyB> but I like the fact that you get paid with cashcount and you get traffic back as well [14:51] * +tia rolls her eyes.. hehe [14:51] <+Buzzard> hmmmm [14:51] *** Parts: HTML-Guru [14:51] <@Frank> The mistake I think ppl make is putting the counter on every page in easy click distance. To much of a traffic leak. [14:51] <+Kre8t0r> well your supposed to get paid from paycounter but i dont think i ever met anyone with a check from them :p [14:52] <+Snikks> lol Kre8t0r [14:52] <@Frank> I haven't seen any checks from paycounter. dunno [14:52] <@WillyB> Bixer, they are good so you can adjust w/ your own server stats.. to get an average [14:52] <@WillyB> rofl K! [14:52] <+tia> hmmm.. that link goes to earthlink.. I guess gmp is out of business :( [14:52] <@WillyB> I have not used paycounter before [14:52] <@WillyB> but I get checks from cash count ;) [14:52] <+Bixer> thx WillyB, Frank [14:53] <+Kre8t0r> bummer [14:53] <+Snikks> best counter ya can have is free, ...logfiles... [14:53] <@WillyB> that is true Snikks.. I like the 3rd party ones as suppliments [14:53] <@WillyB> and esp for use on free hosts [14:53] <+Snikks> 8) [14:54] <@Frank> yep, unless there's a good reason I don't like 3rd party counters. [14:54] <+Snikks> if ya use and abuse your logfiles all the info ya need is there, and allows for tweaking [14:55] <@WillyB> the server logs everything! [14:56] <@WillyB> or most do anyway [14:56] <+Snikks> yep [14:56] <+Snikks> how many requests and such [14:56] <+Bixer> ? any recommended tutorials or articles about Stats? [14:56] <@WillyB> do you use your own program to read your server logs snikks? [14:56] <+Stagger> good question bixer [14:57] <+Snikks> you can even see if graphics are loading too slow, and if peeps are clicking away [14:57] <+Buzzard> their are a couple freeware programs toread logfilesI will try to find one ifanyone intrested these work from the desktop [14:57] <@WillyB> Bixer.. if you see what your host uses as a stats generating program you can go to their site and read about how to use it [14:57] <@WillyB> and you can get an idea about what information it will give you [14:58] <+Bixer> good tip Willyb [14:58] <+Snikks> he company that does your hosting should be compiling a couple types of data [14:58] <+Snikks> about who is hitting your site. Firstly that of ERRORS. And second is FILE [14:58] <+Snikks> TRANSFERS or access that was made successful from you site pages. If you have [14:58] <+Snikks> built your site well, your file tranfers will greatly outnumber your errors. [14:58] <+Snikks> Errors [14:58] <+Snikks> In your error message if you are getting (send aborted) chances are your graphics [14:58] <+Snikks> files may be too large, and people will not wait around too long to see them. [14:58] <+Snikks> Another error, that is often seen is..."access to filename.html failed for [14:58] <+Snikks> blah.blah.com, reason: file does not exist" First check to see of course that you [14:58] <+Snikks> have no typo's in the html file, and then click it yourself to ensure that it works [14:58] <+Snikks> correctly. If all is well, then it may have been a result of your server being down [14:58] <+Snikks> for a time. A check of any error file and fixing problems will help keep your site [14:58] <+Snikks> up to date. [14:58] *** Snikks was kicked by HippyDude (flood) [14:58] *** Joins: Snikks [14:58] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Snikks [14:58] <+Snikks> oops [14:59] <+Snikks> sorry [14:59] <@WillyB> np heheheh [14:59] <+Buzzard> boythat HipyDude is strict [14:59] <+tia> lol [14:59] <+Snikks> want more? [14:59] <@WillyB> anything that takes over 20 seconds to load most ppl will not wait for [14:59] <+Snikks> Tansfer Files [14:59] <+Snikks> There are 6 items of info compiled on each transfer... they are as follows... [14:59] <+Snikks> (1) the computer's name (IP address) from which the request was made [14:59] <+Snikks> the date and time of the request [14:59] <+Snikks> (2) what the request was (which file they were trying to access) [14:59] <+Snikks> (3) the response code given (a number indicating how the transfer went,like the 404 we hate) [14:59] <+Snikks> (4) the number of bytes transferred [14:59] <+Snikks> (4) the referrer URL [14:59] <+Snikks> (5) the agent (browser) used to access the files. [15:00] <+Snikks> I once did an article on that as well WillyB LOL [15:00] *** Snikks was kicked by HippyDude (flood) [15:00] *** Joins: Snikks [15:00] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Snikks [15:00] <+Snikks> shit [15:00] <+Snikks> I'll quit now [15:00] <@WillyB> can't have a bunch of lines all at once [15:00] <+Snikks> I see that [15:01] <@Frank> lol [15:01] <@WillyB> Bixer... you can also go to http://www.apache.org/ and enter log filesin the search box [15:01] <+Snikks> but logfiles can actually make ya money if ya learn to use em [15:01] <@WillyB> yep :) [15:02] <@WillyB> it is the blood and guts of your server hehehe [15:02] <+Snikks> yep [15:02] <@WillyB> tells ya everything that is going on [15:02] <@Frank> yea, I get alot of info from seeing what pages ppl were interested in and what pics they clicked and such [15:02] <@WillyB> I also liketheserver-status page [15:02] <@WillyB> if it's in use by your server [15:03] <@WillyB> http://www.yourdomain.com/server-status [15:03] <@WillyB> some don't have it turned on in the httpd.conf file [15:03] *** Joins: GonZo [15:03] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v GonZo [15:03] <@WillyB> wb GonZo [15:03] <+tia> wb Gonzo [15:04] <+GonZo> Lost IP sorry [15:04] *** WillyB changes topic to 'Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Entertainment Folks Only!!!'