[14:00] *** WillyB changes topic to 'Welcome to The Newbie Chat w/ Guests Raven and Tev of www.Sin-Text.com ~TheAdult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Webmasters Only!!!'
[14:01] <@WillyB> howdy Rowdy :)
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[14:01] <+Rowdy> hi Willy.. ya get that e-mail copy last night I sent?
[14:01] <+Pitlord> brb
[14:02] <@Raven> willyB? Why do i have that little 'at' thingy next to my name?
[14:02] <@Raven> I refuse to sing
[14:02] <@WillyB> yes I did Rowdy :)
[14:02] <+Rowdy> k
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[14:03] <@Tev> Damn WillyB now I have sin city running through my head
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[14:03] <+Pitlord> back
[14:03] <+WillyB> You guys are the Special Guests today Raven.. that's what that is! ;-)
[14:03] <@Tev> Hi Itchy
[14:03] <+Itchy> Hello :)
[14:03] <+WillyB> Hiya Itchy :)
[14:03] <+Itchy> :)
[14:03] <+Frank> cHiya Itchy
[14:03] <@Raven> kewl....since coming to the Newbie Board..I have felt very special..I thank everyone for that.
[14:03] <@Raven> hiya, itchy
[14:03] <+Itchy> Red Text?
[14:04] <+Rowdy> Hi Itchy
[14:04] <+Itchy> Rowdy !!!
[14:04] <+Itchy> Everyone :)
[14:04] <+Pitlord> hi Itchy
[14:04] <+mayer> hey itchy :)
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[14:04] <@Raven> Red text?
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[14:04] <+Rowdy> Raven... ya been giving some excellent advice on the Newbie Board so Thank You :)
[14:04] <+Pitlord> wubba itchy :)
[14:05] <+Itchy> AAAAA nothings going right today hehe
[14:05] <@Tev> wb itchy
[14:05] <+Frank> sure has been, awesome info and input for sure.
[14:05] <@Tev> LOL
[14:05] <@Raven> aw, heck..rowdy.....you're making me blush...I'm still a newbie myself
[14:05] <+Itchy> lol yup
[14:05] <+WillyB> Raven you all have been an very nice addition to the newbie board as well as everywhere else you are!
[14:05] <@Raven> poor itchy....try to hang in there...:-)..kath says wonderful things about you.
[14:05] <+Rowdy> we all are Raven.. or at least the ones that are smart enough to realize it :)
[14:05] <@Raven> LOL...Rowdy...for sure
[14:05] <@Tev> Got that right Rowdy
[14:05] <@Raven> but, ya know...i was so fortunate to have had mentors...
[14:05] <+Itchy> Any audio today?
[14:06] <+Frank> no audio itchy
[14:06] <+Itchy> Thanks Raven ::)
[14:06] <+WillyB> nope Itchy.. none today
[14:06] <@Raven> i didn't have to go through what newbies have to go through today..i had protection from myself
[14:06] <@Tev> Raven talks while she types, does that help?
[14:06] <+WillyB> this is a Text Chat! hehehe!
[14:06] <@Raven> lol...tev..
[14:06] <+Itchy> Good it would probably crash on me any ways hehe
[14:06] <@Raven> :-)
[14:07] <@Raven> is buran here?
[14:07] <@Raven> and z?
[14:07] <+mayer> raven thanks for the input today on my site:)
[14:07] <+Itchy> Itchy needs ALL the help he can get with text :)
[14:07] <@Raven> and raven will be glad to give itchy some help, if she can :-)
[14:07] * +Pitlord looks at the antique that is laughingly called a computer he's using and wonders what "audio" is
[14:07] <@Raven> you're more than welcome , mayer.
[14:07] <+Itchy> ::)
[14:07] <@Raven> lol, pitlord
[14:07] <@Tev> LOL Pitlord
[14:08] <@Raven> We've been very fortunate.....to be surrounded by such a wonderful family such as ANS...
[14:08] <+Pitlord> once I can make some money I'm getting a G4 w OS X
[14:08] <+WillyB> hahahah Pitlord!
[14:08] <+Itchy> ANS Rocks!!!!!!!!
[14:08] <@Raven> that we want to give it back..and when y'all are famous and wealthy...we want you to do the same
[14:09] <@Tev> You bet it does!I have never met a better groupl of people
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[14:09] <@Raven> hiya, Ravenia :-)
[14:09] <@Tev> Hi Ravenia
[14:09] <+WillyB> hi ya Ravenia :)
[14:09] <+Pitlord> hi Ravenia
[14:09] <+Frank> Yea, that's why I came to ANS, best people around for sure.
[14:09] <+Ravenia> hey folks
[14:09] <+Itchy> Hello Ravenia
[14:09] <+Pitlord> I have a question about consoles
[14:09] <+WillyB> Same here Frank 
[14:10] <+WillyB> and Raven
[14:10] <+Frank> Hiya Ravenia
[14:10] <+WillyB> Ok.. 
[14:10] <+Rowdy>Hi Ravenia
[14:10] <+mayer> hey ravenia
[14:10] <+WillyB> Raven you have a site you wanted to show and then discuss ???
[14:11] <+Frank> Think some ppl may be in the Holiday mode,LOL
[14:11] <+Rowdy> Sorry.. had two systems with ICQ go off at the same time the phone rang...lol
[14:11] <+Ravenia> newbie-- just joined a few days ago and have posted to the help boards about my first members site. So I'll hang back a bit and try to learn
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[14:11] <@Raven> pitlord....with your permission...i'd like you to post your url....
[14:11] <+Pitlord> please do
[14:11] <@Tev> Hi SPike
[14:11] <+Rowdy> Ravenia -> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/index.phtml
[14:11] <@Raven> i want you to, pitlord..post your url.....
[14:11] <@Tev> http://www.oralsexpornos.com/free/oralsexslutmoms/
[14:12] <+Rowdy> hi Spike
[14:12] <@Raven> Pitlord, on the boards today, you had asked for a critique of this site, yes?
[14:12] <+Frank> Ravenia, as Rowdy just posted the link I've never seen you on the Newbie Board?
[14:12] <@Raven> hiya, spike....
[14:12] <+WillyB> hello Spike
[14:12] <+Ravenia> the newbie board rejected my post so I tried the help board
[14:13] <@Raven> was this yesterday, ravenia??
[14:13] <@Tev> Do you want us to stick to text or go with marketing and text?
[14:13] <@Raven> cause ANS was having a stomach ache yesterday
[14:13] <+Ravenia> this morning
[14:13] <@Raven> Pitlord....you there?
[14:14] <+Rowdy> Ravenia, make sure you have something in the thread title field when you post
[14:14] <@Raven> it was still having a little one this morning, too, ravenia..love your name :-)
[14:14] <+Pitlord> yes sorry,,,
[14:14] <@Raven> would you like a critique of your site?
[14:14] <+Ravenia> love your name Raven LOL--
[14:14] <@Raven> LOL
[14:14] <+Pitlord> my site is at http://www.oralsexpornos.com/free/oralsexslutmoms/index.shtml
[14:14] <+Pitlord> please... rip it apart for me ;)
[14:14] <@Tev> Let's start with the top of your page, is that a warning or an ad?
[14:15] <@Raven> is this site on a free host, pitlord?
[14:15] <+Pitlord> no it's a paid host
[14:15] <+Ravenia> the probelm was that itwasn't taking my new member name-- I should disable the cookie & try again
[14:15] <@Raven> ok
[14:15] <+Pitlord> the text at the top is both an ad and a warning
[14:15] <@Tev> Let's start with the top of your page, is that a warning or an ad?
[14:16] <+Ravenia> critiques on my site welcome (esp the members site for anyone who want to email me privately)
[14:16] <@Tev> In the top of your page I see 6 different ads, no warning
[14:16] <@Raven> ravenia..my email is raven@sin-text.com
[14:16] <@Raven> send me the url and I'll look at it
[14:16] <+Pitlord> I wanted to use a lot of keywords for the SEs in the warning and thought I should add some sponsor links in there.
[14:16] <@Tev> With just linking the text in your ""warning" there is no incentive to click anything
[14:17] <+Itchy> I see a warning :)
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[14:17] <+Pitlord> hi tia
[14:17] <+Rowdy> hi tia
[14:17] <+Itchy> Tia :)
[14:17] <+WillyB> hello tia :)
[14:17] <@Tev> Hiya Tia :)
[14:17] <+tia> hi guys!
[14:17] <@Raven> what you see, itchy, is pitlord trying to combine something that shouldn't be combined
[14:17] <@Raven> hiya, tia...hugggggggs
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[14:17] <@Raven> hiya, bill8
[14:17] <+tia> hey Raven
[14:17] <+Rowdy> hi bill8
[14:17] <+Pitlord> hi hippydude
[14:17] <+WillyB> hi bill8 :)
[14:17] <@Raven> http://www.oralsexpornos.com/free/oralsexslutmoms/
[14:17] <+tia> hey bill8
[14:17] <+Frank> hi bill8
[14:17] <+Pitlord> errr. bill8 even]
[14:17] <@HippyDude> hello Pitloard
[14:18] <@Tev> Then we are down to your banner exchange.After reading the warning/ad I see the exchange which tempts me to click
[14:18] <@Tev> How much traffic are you getting off this exchange?
[14:18] <+Ravenia> copied raven teh free site is http://www.ladyravenia.com
[14:18] <+Rowdy> HippyDude is a stoner with sticky fingers....lol
[14:18] <+Pitlord> not much yet... jsut started with them
[14:18] <+Ravenia> hey bill8
[14:18] <+Frank> LOL, Rowdy
[14:18] <+tia> lol
[14:19] <+WillyB> yeah, I agree Tev, that looks sorta like the gallery pages
[14:19] <+Frank> i tia!
[14:19] <+tia> hey Frank!
[14:19] <+WillyB> LOL Rowdy!
[14:19] <@Tev> ah, the way that banner looks, it looks like that is where you click to get the galleries... huge traffic leak
[14:19] <@HippyDude>Let our content PAY YOU up to 70$ per! You don't even have to buy it! http://www.pixmasters.com/cart/login.pl
[14:19] <@Tev> Then you have the large ad for viacream
[14:19] <+Itchy> HippyDude also spammer hehe
[14:19] <+Frank> lol
[14:20] <@Tev> What is the target audience of this site?
[14:20] <+Pitlord> ppl looking for oral sex
[14:20] <@Tev> Moslty men?
[14:20] <+WillyB> someone paid him off to do that I think Itchy ;)
[14:20] <+Pitlord> yes
[14:20] <@Raven> plus, pitlord...the text in your 'warning'/ad' takes up so much scroll.
[14:20] <+Itchy> lol
[14:21] <@Tev> Why an ad for a product meant for women?
[14:21] <@Raven> and, there's way too much text for the viagra like stuff for women
[14:21] <@Tev> It is taking up a prime ad spot
[14:21] <+Itchy> what % of surfersdon't scroll? <
[14:21] <+Pitlord> This is great stuff
[14:21] <+Pitlord> I hope I'm logging this
[14:22] <@Tev> Yeah, it is a great product, but on your index you want things that will sell right off
[14:22] <+tia> I just read that pages with 300 words will do well with google
[14:22] <+WillyB> most prefer to not scroll at all if they don't have to IMHO Itchy
[14:22] <+tia> as an average
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[14:22] <@Tev> I counted 16 different links to sponsors on the index
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[14:22] <@Raven> i agree, willyb.....especially for feeder sitez
[14:22] <@Tev> Exactly WillB
[14:22] <@Raven> hiya, flopster :-)
[14:22] <+Itchy> *Note to self move enter button to top of page *
[14:22] <+WillyB> hello Flopster
[14:22] <+Flopster> Hi yas all
[14:22] <+Rowdy> less scrolling and clickable objects on the right side of the page will almost always show at least a 20% higher click ratio in my past experience
[14:22] <+Frank> hi Flopster!
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[14:22] <+Pitlord> So far what you all seem to be saying is: stick with the bigger sponsors that will appeal to my audience and get rid of the confusing text and links on my index page...
[14:23] <+Frank> Hi Deano
[14:23] <@Raven> http://www.oralsexpornos.com/free/oralsexslutmoms/
[14:23] <+tia> oops.. sorry, didn't mean to enter that into the room, darn icq 
[14:23] <+tia> lol
[14:23] <+Pitlord> What about the banner at the top?
[14:23] <+Rowdy> hi Flopster and Deano
[14:23] <@Tev> The way you have the text on that ad also makes it harder to read.It has no punch, it does not grab attention
[14:23] <+bill8> All accurate comments, Pitlord.
[14:23] <@Tev> Exactly
[14:23] <+Deano> Hi Rowdy
[14:23] <@Tev> You want to target your advertising
[14:23] <+Pitlord> Tev can you bee more specific?
[14:23] <+WillyB> well Itchy .. you do want them to scroll a little to enter..and have a Great Ad befor the scroll.. so they click on your sponsor!
[14:23] <@Raven> yep, pitlord..you've got sixteen or so ads there...make a text box with the warning so it doesn't take up so much room.
[14:23] <+Flopster> Hey rowdy and willy b what up 
[14:23] <@Raven> and that's just on your index
[14:24] <@Tev> Most of my feeder sites you have to do one scroll to get to the enter button.
[14:24] <+WillyB> having a great chat Flopster :)
[14:24] <+Flopster> what site was that raven their a banner broken
[14:24] <+Itchy> aaaa so enter button just out of veiw 
[14:25] <+WillyB> http://www.oralsexpornos.com/free/oralsexslutmoms/ <- Critiqueing this site
[14:25] <+Pitlord> How important is it to have a warning? I've seen a lot of sites that don't use them at all.
[14:25] <+Flopster> ah i see
[14:25] <@Tev> Yes, I through a punchy ad up top, have my title, some keyword filled text, warning ad right above or below or beside my enter, depends on how I build the site
[14:25] <+WillyB> Very important from a legal standpoint Pitlord
[14:25] <@Raven> we believe in warnings, pitlord..and ICRA....
[14:25] <@Tev> through=throw
[14:25] <@Tev> Exactly WillB
[14:26] <+Itchy> must warn!!! even if they come in a back door at least it's there
[14:26] <+Flopster> they can save your ass 
[14:26] <+Pitlord> OK ... warnings are good
[14:26] <+Pitlord> hehehe
[14:26] <+WillyB> yep!
[14:26] <@Raven> ICRA IS GOOD
[14:26] <@Tev> Then you have a HUGE ad for the email proggy.You get what .75 to a dollar for that?
[14:26] <+Pitlord> Does the banner ad at the top of my index page show up?
[14:27] <+tia> warnings show only good intention though don't they Raven? No legality at all
[14:27] <+Flopster> what about copy right notices 
[14:27] <@Tev> Yes/
[14:27] <+Flopster> how important is that 
[14:27] <@Tev> Exactly Tia
[14:27] <+Itchy> yuppers
[14:27] <+Pitlord> ya ... $1 per email $10 on the upsell
[14:27] <+Frank> Pitlord, a banner will not show up well without TEXT to draw them to it usually.
[14:28] <+WillyB> I'd say the text you have under that banner is not large enough at all
[14:28] <@Tev> You have a rotating banner plus a small amount of text at the top.Nothing to cath the eye nor make any one want to click.
[14:28] <+tia> I think a text link tremendously outweighs a banner in clickability
[14:28] <@Raven> tia...they let me sleep at night..and give me something to tell my lawyer i did..when ashcroft comes after me...LOL
[14:28] <@Tev> That is a prime ad spot, the text you have up there needs to grab the surfer
[14:28] <+tia> lol.. right Raven
[14:29] <@Raven> and, jd obenberger said to...and, i figure he knows best.
[14:29] <@Raven> :-)
[14:29] <+WillyB> ah! 
[14:29] <+Pitlord> I tried a bunch of different types of text with those... some are faux headlines meant to shock... others are like testimonials
[14:29] <+Itchy> hey the etxt changes to go with the different ads thats cool
[14:29] <+Itchy> etxt=text
[14:29] <+Rowdy> Use your text appearance to your advantage as well... large fonts, different colors (within reason)
[14:29] <+Frank> think newpapers and magazines, what catches your eye and get's you interested enough to read more? HEADLINES!
[14:29] <@Tev> Then you have you LL's and enter and then money bar, that's cool though looking for something different text I might do as a positive statment rather than with a question that can be answered no
[14:29] <@Raven> pitlord, the faux headlines do nothing for the surfer..he can buy a rag for that....the idea is to make your world his.
[14:29] <+tia> people aren't as used to surfing as we are, you gotta take them by the hand sometimes
[14:29] <@Raven> use the word 'you'.
[14:30] <@Tev> Exactly Frank!
[14:30] <+Flopster> exactly frank ;))
[14:30] <+bill8> Maybe you guys could put up a more polished feeder site as a contrast...
[14:30] <@Tev> Hiya Flopster!I gotta watch my hands while I type so I didn't see you come in
[14:30] <+Flopster> hehe
[14:30] <@Tev> Hi Bill8
[14:30] <+Rowdy> When changing the half page ad at the top of this site to the text that is there now, http://www.storyplaces.com/top.html , we saw an increase in clicks that averaged out to 65% more than what it was with the half page graphic ad
[14:30] <+bill8> Hi all!
[14:31] <+WillyB> very true tia.. plus we are hopefully pulling the Newest ppl on the internet as well :)
[14:31] <+WillyB> Hello bill8
[14:31] <+tia> yeah Tev and Raven, I'd like to see a good example from you guys, something that shows what you're talking about
[14:31] <@Tev> Yep, because text loads fast, gets the attention
[14:31] <+tia> right Willy, and those are the ones we're after :)
[14:31] <+WillyB> ;)
[14:32] <+Pitlord> I get the point about using the word you a lot ... kinda like "The Wizard of Ads" and I also see the value of Headlines as my background is in print design
[14:32] <+WillyB> ype.. they have not seen CE or what have you, yet
[14:32] <+Flopster> boyu ya can see that rowdy hehe
[14:32] <+Rowdy> lol flopster... ya.. we wanted to help the visually impaired folks....lol
[14:32] <+tia> hehe
[14:32] <+Flopster> lmao
[14:32] <+Frank> lol
[14:33] <+Pitlord> So far redesigning the layout to eliminate the lower paying sponsors and confusing text/warning should be easy enough...
[14:33] <+WillyB> Pitlord.. the font you use on the top of your site to me looks boring.. like a book type of font
[14:33] <+Rowdy> got to remember, blunt and ugly gets the point across quicker than petite and polite sometimes :)
[14:33] <@Raven> tev will be right back.
[14:33] <+WillyB> I always use verdania or ariel myself
[14:33] <@Raven> we do, too..willyb...
[14:33] <+tia> I like the plainer bold fonts myself
[14:33] <@Raven> but there are times when courier and times new roman are called for.
[14:33] <@Raven> especially some of the tgp sites
[14:33] <+Pitlord> I'm not looking forward to rewriting the copy for the top banner though... ><;
[14:34] <@Raven> i guess, then, the question is...do you wanna make money? :-)))))
[14:34] <@Tev> http://www.anime-free.com/
[14:34] <+Flopster> i use default
[14:34] <@Raven> you'll rewrite it, cause it's in your blood
[14:34] <+WillyB> hmmmm.... Interesting sub-topic there... Font choice hehehe.. 
[14:34] * +WillyB makes a note
[14:34] <+tia> text isn't easy to do Pitlord... but it's worth the effort
[14:34] <@Raven> every site calls for a font evaluation.....
[14:34] <+Pitlord> I use a combo of Helvitica/Arial and Courier for Titles/Body Text Respectively
[14:34] <@Raven> keeping in mind that not everyone has the fonts you have.
[14:35] <@Tev> Every site is also different.
[14:35] <+tia> you got a list of Window's fonts Raven?
[14:35] <+WillyB> It is definately .. sales have went up since changes some things from banners to Good Text for me ;)
[14:35] <@Tev> I use verdanna, dlear and easy to read no matter what background I use
[14:35] <@Tev> That site has one blur
[14:35] <+tia> dlear?
[14:35] <+Pitlord> what's a blur?
[14:35] <+WillyB> dlear = clear
[14:35] <@Tev> clear
[14:36] <+tia> oh...lol
[14:36] <+WillyB> hehehe
[14:36] <@Tev> console that opens behind the window
[14:36] <+WillyB> I had to think on it too tia!
[14:36] <+bill8> Cute rotating warning Tev
[14:36] <+tia> thought that was a new one on me ,.. hene
[14:36] <@Raven> kimmi has three hundred fonts or so....
[14:36] <@Raven> but we stick to the ones we know others have and the ones that are easiest to read
[14:36] <+tia> hehe.. I load 686 fonts when I open photoshop
[14:36] <+Pitlord> I was wondering if a blur is more effective than a console that opens on top?
[14:36] <@Raven> they did a study on fonts...verdana came up as the one people trusted
[14:37] <+WillyB> That's a good point Raven.. if they don't have the font on their system.. they won't see it
[14:37] <+Itchy> Tia you need to put those fonts in a different folder 
[14:37] <+tia> cool Raven that's a good thing to know
[14:37] <@Raven> right, willyb
[14:37] <+tia> I have a font manager itchy :)
[14:37] <+Itchy> aaa 
[14:37] <@Tev> for me they have worked well.Mostl pop ups I was finding people just closed
[14:37] <@Raven> so, we largely use and recommend...arial and verdana....
[14:37] <+Itchy> Itchy needs something like thats too :((
[14:37] <@Raven> we like blur consoles...and you can time them too
[14:37] <+tia> I use those on banners a lot
[14:37] <@Tev> Can any one tell me what that index page is missing?
[14:37] <@Raven> tia, it's different for graphical text..then, we can get a little more creative
[14:37] <+Itchy> Time them ?? You just got my full attention!!
[14:38] <+WillyB> Would you say that sticking to the same font on a site is better than using more? 
[14:38] <+tia> oh I know Raven!hehe
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[14:38] <+tia> but plain is in
[14:38] <+Pitlord> Tev... are we still talking about my index page?
[14:38] <@Tev> No this time mine.
[14:38] <+Pitlord> ok
[14:38] <+bill8> Arial and verdana are all I use... Arial Blacl and arial narrow sometimes-- also a bit of comic sans ms, which seems to sell.
[14:38] <@Tev> I do it differently all the time Willy
[14:38] <+WillyB> An exit link Tev?
[14:38] <@Raven> i love comic sans, bill......for certain sites
[14:38] <+tia> I like comic sans for teen sites
[14:39] <@Tev> My ads pretty much stay the same because they are includes
[14:39] <@Raven> itchy...you'd have to ask my partner how to do that...but yes...you can time a blur console
[14:39] <+Itchy> ok 
[14:39] <+bill8> So, what's missing Tev?
[14:39] <+WillyB> what is the url Tev?
[14:39] <+WillyB> I missed it
[14:39] <+tia> there's a meta tag maker that does that on seguru's sitehttp://www.seguru.com/metasI think that's right
[14:39] <@Tev> I use an exit link only about 50% of the time, I figure there is a back button or they can close the window
[14:39] <+tia> does the timed pages
[14:39] <@Tev> http://anime-free.com
[14:40] <+WillyB> ty :)
[14:40] <@Raven> we also do not have exits on our sites
[14:40] <@Tev> That page has no keywords on it other than the ads
[14:40] <+bill8> I never use an exit link, I include a "use BACK" in warning
[14:40] <+Rowdy> I always add exit links.. of course they all go to my own mainstream sites...lol
[14:40] <+bill8> Ah yes, I noticed that...
[14:40] <@Raven> exactly, rowdy..if you have one, then use it..but if not...then don't.
[14:40] <+Itchy> Cool Tool
[14:40] <+tia> yep :)
[14:41] <@Raven> not everyone has an exit sponsor
[14:41] <@Tev> That is what I do also Rowdy, but my mainstream site is in the "it totally blows" stage at the moment, lol
[14:41] <+Rowdy> Raven... if not.. time to build one...lol with some of the set ups now, it's to easy not to take advantage of it
[14:41] <+Itchy> I want to pop a window 2 mins after the browser is closed or they have left is this possiable?
[14:41] <+Rowdy> things like Vstore can set you up in a matter of minutes with a mainstream site... just need an url and if anyone needs it, let me know and i'll turn you onto a mainstream free host for it
[14:42] <@Raven> you're right, rowdy..we did that..and we're now fixing it cause it blows..and we will put it back as an exit
[14:42] <+tia> that meta tag maker does that itchy, that's why I posted it
[14:42] <@Raven> we made a lotto site...and then ignored it for way too long...:-)
[14:42] <+bill8> What is your target for that site, Tev? dmoz?
[14:42] <@Tev> Yes
[14:42] <@Raven> dmoz and search engines....bill
[14:42] <+Frank> Those places like Internet Eraser work well for exit traffic to, for me at least.
[14:42] <@Raven> most of our traffic is SE's and DMOZ
[14:42] <@Tev> DMOZ is what I usually build my sites to get in, though I submit everywhere.
[14:42] <+Rowdy> true Frank
[14:42] <+tia> that works well huh Frank, I've wondered about that
[14:43] <+bill8> For dmoz keywords on the front page aren't quite so important...
[14:43] <@Tev> Traffic is not my strong point, making money off the traffic I get, I do a lot better at
[14:43] <+Deano> I just started doing that too Frank
[14:43] <+Frank> hehe, 1:110 for me over the past 3 months or so
[14:43] <+Rowdy> I just like to build my traffic into my own sites then off ot others but that can work well to send them straight to a sponsor like that as well
[14:43] <+tia> ooooo :)
[14:43] <@Raven> hiya, deano..missed you coming in.
[14:43] <@Tev> I use them to Frank, though of they toon sites it wasnt doing well
[14:43] <+tia> hey deano
[14:43] <@Raven> pitlord....we've given you lots to think about....
[14:43] <+Deano> Hi Raven & tia
[14:43] <@Raven> flopster....i hear you have a site you'd like us to look at...
[14:44] <+Flopster> it an old one 
[14:44] <+WillyB> Raven and Tev.. flopster's site -> http://pornsitesreviewed.com/slaves/
[14:44] <+WillyB> thanks :)
[14:44] <+Flopster> i see mistake now in it i did not see backl then 
[14:44] <+Pitlord> yes thanx to everyone... you've been very helpful
[14:44] <+Frank> Tev? toon site, internet eraser, they have a toon site too, lol
[14:44] <@Tev> PitLord, do you see where we are driving at?All your pages do about the same thing.Plus your content will make it harder to sell, because it allows the surfer to get off on your site, and doesn't leave them want ing more
[14:44] <@Raven> everytime, Pitlord.....you think about it..and when you're ready , post it again...everyone , i'm sure, will jump in with something...no one is shy..:-)
[14:45] <@Tev> Internet eraser has a toon site?
[14:45] <+bill8> Tev, I like that pseudoFPA with the continue link at the top.
[14:45] <+Frank> thought that's what you said,lol
[14:45] <+Itchy> Dam if that Sado slaaves pic had a mouse over i would have been in there
[14:45] <+Pitlord> should i use censored content instead?
[14:45] <@Tev> Flopster, why is there no advertising on your index?
[14:46] <+Frank> Pitlord, you make them go buy a membership for the good stuff, not jackoff at your site.
[14:46] <@Tev> hee hee, MsKimmi came up with that
[14:46] <+tia> hehe.. Tev, sadoslaves is the ad
[14:46] <@Raven> i love that pic.....flopster...i agree, itchy
[14:46] <+Flopster> well it not developed trev 
[14:46] <@Tev> Oh, I thought it was the site gif
[14:47] <@Tev> Do you get a lot of clicks on that?
[14:47] <+tia> I think you did well on that site Floppy'
[14:47] <+Itchy> Good design fools lots i bet
[14:47] <@Tev> SHit I use them too!<--- dumb ass
[14:47] <+Itchy> but mouse over the link
[14:47] <@Raven> couldn't have said it better myself, frank...:-)
[14:47] <+tia> lol Tev :)
[14:48] <+bill8> Floppy, what's your traffic target, where you want to get traffic FROM for that site?
[14:48] <+WillyB> punishment.htmlhas a pretty much run-on 'thing' there Flopster
[14:48] <+WillyB> hehehe
[14:48] <@Tev> one sec let me look through this
[14:48] <+WillyB> and a ? mark... those are not all that good I don't think
[14:49] <+WillyB> but that is not a bad place for one I guess
[14:49] <+Flopster> like i said you get to the mistakes i made
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[14:49] <+Flopster> that site was developed almost 2 years ago 
[14:49] <+Rowdy> actually... want a little trick to use if you want blind link tricks?
[14:49] <+WillyB> yeah.. that is what you want to know about anyway hehehe ;)
[14:49] <@Raven> flopster..you spelled basement wrong....
[14:49] <+tia> Floppy, that site is a thing of beauty, it's a friggin maze! 
[14:50] <+Itchy> <<<<<listening for franks advice
[14:50] <+Flopster> hehe 
[14:50] <+bill8> It wouldn't be accepted at most link lists now due to the mouseovers. But it's a nice site.
[14:50] <+Flopster> spelling is no my strong point lol thanks 
[14:50] <+Frank> on what itchy?
[14:50] <+Itchy> opps Rowdys hehe
[14:50] <+Rowdy> add the code in for a banner with dimensions but do not upliad the banner itself, then have a text link under it saying "What the fuck?" it WILL get clicks....lol
[14:50] *** Joins: HTML-Guru
[14:50] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v HTML-Guru
[14:50] <+Flopster> ask any one that knows me 
[14:50] <+WillyB> Hello HTML-Guru
[14:50] <@Raven> hiya, HTML-Guru
[14:50] <+tia> it'd be good for that project Rowdy :)
[14:50] <+HTML-Guru> hello everybody :-)
[14:50] <+Frank> the best click I get are those that say "don't click here". lol
[14:50] <+Itchy> Hey Guru
[14:50] <+tia> hey HTMLGuru
[14:50] <@Tev> Does Greenguy and Sumt Gremlin allow FPA's before the content?
[14:51] <+bill8> No Tev
[14:51] <+Frank> nope
[14:51] <+Rowdy> yep tia... I didn't use to many of my tricks... got to give them away slowly so I don't run out....lol
[14:51] <+tia> hahaa
[14:51] <@Raven> doncha love them, frank? surfers can't resist
[14:51] <+WillyB> lol Rowdy
[14:51] <+Frank> lol
[14:51] <+Itchy> don't click hummmmm who are you to tell me not to clickClick!! heheh
[14:51] <@Tev> One question I have Flopster, did you view this in 800x600?
[14:52] <+bill8> But you don't often get sales from the don't click here trick
[14:52] <+Rowdy> want to get bookmarkers?
[14:52] <@Raven> exactly, itchy.....we used that alot on our dialers....
[14:52] <+Flopster> yes y 
[14:52] <@Raven> bill...it worked fairly well on our dialers..
[14:52] <+WillyB> Warning Extreme Pix's DontClick Here.... I like that Flopster!
[14:52] <@Raven> sure, rowdy
[14:52] <+Frank> bill8, depends on where they go, for me at least
[14:52] <@Tev> Private works great too Willy
[14:52] <@Raven> sweet yellow nectar...great line, flopster
[14:52] <+tia> it scrolls just the tinyest little bit
[14:52] <@Tev> Good text over all Flopster
[14:53] <@Raven> your text, overall, is pretty kickass, flopster
[14:53] <+bill8> Dialers, it might work, but I've concentrated on PPS and recurring, I find honesty works best there.
[14:53] <+tia> I agree Raven, he did good on the text
[14:53] <+WillyB> ah.. yep I bet it does Tev :)
[14:53] * +WillyB changes more text on sites
[14:53] <+WillyB> lol
[14:53] <+Flopster> the dialer was before all the shit 
[14:53] <@Raven> How about some cock juice --- i would change that from a question.....
[14:53] <+Flopster> i built this site almost two years ago 
[14:53] <@Raven> flopster...has it made money for you?
[14:54] <@Tev> Things to look at though, "want to watch" can be answered no
[14:54] <+Rowdy> put a broken image on a daily pic page, then under it you write, Sorry, you missed this update by 5 minutes. bookmark the site now and come back tomorrow at the correct time.You'd be amazed at how many it works on and since it does work on them, they've proven they are a bit simple minded and an easier sale....hahahahahah
[14:54] <+Flopster> ya 20 cents lol
[14:54] <@Tev> that is on fetish.html
[14:54] <+Flopster> it has
[14:54] <+Rowdy> It's a cruel workld sometimes :)
[14:54] <@Raven> rule of thumb.....never ask a question to which you don't know the answer
[14:54] <+bill8> What works better that "want to watch", Tev?
[14:54] <+WillyB> rofl Rowdy!
[14:54] <+tia> lol Rowdy!!
[14:54] * @Raven taking rowdy notes
[14:54] <+Itchy> you need to see
[14:54] <@Tev> You also use "If you want"If is not a powerful phrase
[14:55] <@Tev> Click to watch, something like that
[14:55] <@Raven> if is a woosy word..lacks commitment...never use it...
[14:55] <+bill8> So, domn't ask their opinion, ask for their action?
[14:55] <+Frank> bill8, "come here me scream when I jam this dildo in my ass, click here"
[14:55] <+Flopster> hehe frank 
[14:55] <+tia> tell them what to do bill8
[14:55] <+WillyB> they can 'waver' over a do you want , if you want..like a question hey Tev
[14:55] <+Itchy> rotflmao
[14:56] <@Raven> LOOK NO FURTHER. THOUSANDS OF EXTREME FETISH MOVIES, LIVE SEX SHOWS, VIDEOS AND PIX
[14:56] <+Flopster> you would with this fucking toolhttp://pornsitesreviewed.com/slaves/22-strange.html
[14:56] <+WillyB> you don't wnat them to have NO in their mind at all
[14:56] <+tia> right Raven... hehe
[14:56] <+Rowdy> wow Frank... what a way with words ya have... glad I read back a line or two on that one...lol
[14:56] <+Frank> lol
[14:56] <+tia> lol
[14:56] <+Frank> yea, I gotta start watching my language
[14:56] <+Itchy> thats a tool alright lol
[14:56] <@Tev> Yes.Ever notice when you go to buy like a car, no good salesperson asks you a question you can answer with a negative.
[14:56] <@Raven> EXPLORE THE MOST BIZARRE AND EXTREME FETISHES. PEELOVERS. BUTTS REAMED. MASSIVE FACIALS.
[14:56] <+WillyB> rfofl!!
[14:57] <+tia> lolol
[14:57] <@Raven> START YOUR TRAINING. NOW SLAVE!
[14:57] <+Flopster> good thing you have told me thanks I appreciate it 
[14:57] <+Flopster> you like that raven
[14:57] <+Frank> LOL, Raven
[14:57] <+Flopster> ;)
[14:57] <@Raven> :-)
[14:57] <@Raven> i'll never tell
[14:57] <+WillyB> lol
[14:57] <@Tev> I would change the want pain?to Get Pain or something along those lines
[14:57] <+Flopster> You want to be decpline
[14:58] <@Tev> Yes Raven, exactly
[14:58] <+Flopster> y tev
[14:58] <+Rowdy> Cum beg like you never have before... I command you!(Great fetish link)
[14:58] <+Frank> On one of my anal sites I have, "Just shut the fuck up and take it in the ass bitch",LOL
[14:58] <+tia> hey Raven, check out the index on this site http://www.slutsnacks.com/dominatrixjust the intro
[14:58] <+Rowdy> hahaha Frank
[14:58] <@Raven> great line, rowdy......those who go to a site like this need to be ordered...
[14:58] <@Tev> You want to draaw the person in, not really give them a choice or only give them the choices you want them to make
[14:58] <@Raven> take the because away...flopster....just JOIN NOW
[14:59] <@Raven> Want Pain ?, Thousands of live sex feeds Unreal footage You have to see it to belive it
[14:59] <@Raven> Your spelling is not good.....
[14:59] <@Tev> Great line Frank!
[14:59] <+Flopster> let me ask ya who almost hit the link on the front page that bring ya to sadoslaves
[14:59] <+Rowdy> good text line under a picture... Fuck me (linked) or Fuck you! (not linked)blunt can be better on certain traffic
[14:59] <@Raven> Pain. Here. Now. Live sex feeds. Unreal footage. See it. Believe it.
[14:59] <+Itchy> Itchy almost hit it
[14:59] <+tia> it's a good site Flopster
[15:00] <@Raven> ok...tia...i'm looking now
[15:00] <+WillyB> I guess that would be me Flopster
[15:00] <@Tev> It says enter if you dare... that is a challenge statement
[15:00] <+Flopster> can i hire ya to spell for me i suck vocabulary wise 
[15:00] <+Flopster> that has worked well for me 
[15:00] <+Pitlord> tia the text at that place is outrageous...
[15:00] <+WillyB> hit spell check once ;)
[15:00] <@Raven> never give a slave a choice
[15:01] <+Rowdy> flopster.. misspell on complicated words is a good thing if used correctly and sparingly
[15:01] <+tia> hehe Pitlord yeah it is.. isn't it
[15:01] <+Pitlord> very effective
[15:01] <@Raven> That's a riot, tia.....with some tightening, it would be awesome
[15:01] <+Pitlord> LOL
[15:01] <+Flopster> my wife was gone that day 
[15:01] <+Flopster> lol
[15:01] <+tia> I did that 3 years ago.. and the only thing I like is that text
[15:01] <+Pitlord> LOL flopster
[15:01] <+WillyB> lolol
[15:01] <@Raven> i love it.
[15:02] <@Raven> i've seen sites like this do very very well.....
[15:02] <@Tev> Yes Rowdy, it makes you seem like a real person and not a webmaster trying to make a buck
[15:02] <+tia> femdomme is very hard to find on the web.. well femdomme sponsors I should say
[15:02] <+Rowdy> A very good way to filter traffic is the "secret place" game
[15:02] <@Raven> it really depends on the site....testimonials do well with misspells
[15:02] <@Tev> Depends on the site and how it is designed as well
[15:02] <+tia> secret place.. hmmm tell us more Rowdy:)
[15:02] <+Rowdy> who lnows the "secret place" game?
[15:02] <@Raven> good femdomme is hard to find..tia....but sponsors have them.....
[15:02] <+Frank> Yep, I do well with misspellings
[15:02] <+Rowdy> knows even
[15:03] <+Itchy> secert place ??
[15:03] <@Raven> we know, frank...:-))))
[15:03] <+Pitlord> what's that rowdy?
[15:03] <+Frank> lol
[15:03] <+tia> none of it is very good though Raven :(
[15:03] <@Raven> no, it's not.....
[15:03] <@Tev> Oh, I was confused for a sec Tia
[15:03] <@Raven> we have a spanking site...with some femdomme in it....
[15:03] <@Raven> and bondage
[15:03] <@Raven> focus is on f/m
[15:03] * +Flopster OK ALLY YOU SISSY FUCK DO AS I SAY !! OR ILL WIP YOU WINNNY ASS got to go gang thatks alot take care
[15:03] <+Rowdy> secret place.... great way to filter traffic...amateur traffic converts really good off this although the numbers are a bit lower
[15:03] <+WillyB> hehehe Itchy
[15:03] <@Raven> take care, flopster..:-)
[15:03] *** Parts: Flopster
[15:04] <+tia> oh you do don't you?hehe.. I've been thinking about using that on dominatrix too :)
[15:04] <+Ravenia> *waiting for Rowdy to explian*
[15:04] <+Itchy> me too!!
[15:04] <@Raven> LOL......tia
[15:04] <+Rowdy> first thing... no thumbnails! one link that starts the picture pages one at a time
[15:04] <+Pitlord> like a slide show?
[15:04] <+tia> one picture at a time?
[15:04] <@Tev> Ads on the page?
[15:05] <@Tev> Text ads maybe?
[15:05] <+Rowdy> each picture page (site does well at 5 - 8 pages) has a saying about how there is pics of the "person" that owns the website is coming as well as an ad.... larger paying ones first!
[15:05] <@Tev> cool
[15:06] <@Raven> very cool
[15:06] * @Raven loves rowdy tricks
[15:06] <+Rowdy> as the pages continue, you also add the lins of "I'm getting tired of this shit... just give me hardporn!" which link to the sponsor
[15:06] <+tia> do you have an example online Rowdy? :))
[15:06] <+Rowdy> the last page, of course goes to an amateur site (preferably one that has a single ladie or at least a single lady tour that you can send the traffic to
[15:07] <+Rowdy> The ones that make it to that last page will almost always buy! and then those that don't get hit with a pop up to a free e-mail program and money is made one way or another
[15:07] <@Raven> that's something that you may want to consider, ravenia..for your site
[15:07] <+Rowdy> frustration style basically is all it boils down to
[15:07] <+bill8> Whats your traffic for such a site? Toplists? SE's of course. CJ?
[15:07] <@Tev> I could see that would work well if you have like an amateur site of your own with different tours as well
[15:07] <+Rowdy> bill... self fed traffic
[15:08] * @Raven loves to frustrate the surfers
[15:08] <+Itchy> lol
[15:08] <@Raven> y'all are in marketing and sales...never forget that.
[15:08] <+Itchy> 2
[15:08] <+bill8> So, a trap... very nice.
[15:08] <+Rowdy> tia... not one that i'm willing to show at this point....lol .. I'll throw one together that has the basics on it and post it sometime soon
[15:08] * @Raven loves traps
[15:08] * @Raven loves anything that will make her money
[15:08] <+WillyB> hehehe
[15:09] <@Tev> One thing to know everyone, some advertising concepts will work differently on different sites
[15:09] <+tia> thanks Rowdy :)
[15:09] <+Rowdy> :)
[15:09] <@Raven> and there are sites that for no good reason work great.
[15:09] <@Tev> For example, on the toon site I showed you I would not necessarily market to say a spanking niche the same way, but then again I might
[15:09] <+WillyB> that is very true
[15:10] <+Rowdy> "<Raven> and there are sites that for no good reason work great."So true!!!
[15:10] <@Tev> You have to watch your traffic, watch your stats, and see what is working for you.Constantly
[15:10] <+Itchy> LOL Anything Raven?? hehe
[15:10] <@Raven> i am amazed at how much i've learned from seeing clients i turn away...cause they need nothing..
[15:11] <+tia> no wonder they call you itchy.. 
[15:11] <+Itchy> ::)
[15:11] <+tia> hehe
[15:11] <@Raven> aw, itchy.....well..almost anything...:-)
[15:11] <+Pitlord> so If we're taking TGP or LL traffic into a site we then want to filter the newbies into our little traps and and paysites and sponsors. Then we send the pro surfers on there way to a top site or banner exchange to increase our inflow. Is that kind of how this works?
[15:11] <@Raven> pitlord, imagine a funnel....
[15:11] <+Rowdy> pitlord.. that can work very well
[15:11] <+WillyB> that is a good way to put it Pitlord
[15:12] <+WillyB> that is one way to filter the traffic
[15:12] <@Tev> The way I approach TGP stuff is totally different than I would my SE sites.I don't do many LL or TGP stuff.I usually only do them to experiment with ideas.
[15:12] <+WillyB> you hve to get them to click on what you want them to click on is the point
[15:12] <@Tev> Remember the site I sent you for the ANS LL Willyb that had absolutely no nudity?
[15:13] <+tia> you have to be a real traffic cop.. make them go where you want them to go
[15:13] <@Tev> Exactly TIA.
[15:13] <+Rowdy> This IS NOT a business of webdesign only... it also includes traffic management and filtering, stat management, networking, regular informational update times, dedication and inteligence ...thing that about covers the basics anyhow...lol
[15:13] <+Pitlord> that seems easier said than done
[15:13] <@Tev> On TGP's I try and sell my sponsor more than I do on SE stuff because TGPers are usually more ecperienced
[15:14] <+tia> lol Rowdy, yep that about covers it
[15:14] <@Tev> So totally true Rowdy
[15:14] <+WillyB> well put Rowdy!
[15:14] <@Raven> very well put, rowdy.
[15:14] <+Pitlord> what do you do with SE traffic?
[15:14] <+Rowdy> :)
[15:14] <+Itchy> Bows to the master
[15:14] <+Pitlord> softer sell?
[15:14] * @Raven gets notebook out and sits at rowdy's feet
[15:14] <+tia> that's why we do the consulting business, because after the design, there's much much more to learn
[15:14] <@Tev> Currently I am running an analysis on all the keywords surfers use to get to my sites
[15:14] <@Tev> Se traffic is
[15:15] <+Rowdy> lol
[15:15] <+Frank> Pitlord, I usually jump up and down and say, weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[15:15] <+Rowdy> Pitlord.. you send SE traffic to a page like the one we're building for the project :)
[15:15] <+Pitlord> LOL
[15:15] <+Pitlord> frank
[15:15] <@Raven> if you get your sites into the DMOZ..you're assured of AOL.....and they are already prequalified
[15:15] <@Raven> course you can't use rowdy's tricks
[15:15] <+tia> right Pitlord, that's why it's such a cool project, that se traffic is rule free!
[15:16] <+Pitlord> lots of blind links etc
[15:16] <+WillyB> Raven and Tev.. Thanks a Bunch for coming today and sharing your knowledge and insites and help with us today!
[15:16] <+Ravenia> I had to step away for a minute-- sorry folks
[15:16] <@Raven> it was our honour..willyb....:-) we thank y'all for having us.
[15:16] <+Rowdy> Raven.. of course anyone can use ,my tricks.. well .. at least the ones I share...lol
[15:16] <+WillyB> You have given me a lot to think about and to work on as well! ;)
[15:16] <@Tev> Your welcome!Thanks for having us!
[15:16] <+Ravenia> *scrolling back to see what she missed*-- good idea, Raven Rowdy
[15:16] <@Raven> lol..rowdy....
[15:16] <+Itchy> You Rockkkkkkkkkkkked loved todays show !!!!!!1
[15:16] <@Raven> i wrote them down....
[15:16] <+tia> Raven and Tev, great chat!!
[15:16] <+WillyB> hehehe Raven :)
[15:17] <@Raven> Y'all rock.....!!!!!
[15:17] <+Frank> today was great, thanls Raven and Tev, very good!
[15:17] <@Raven> hey, we're all newbies still...there's always something to learn.
[15:17] <+Rowdy> Time to go install a CD into the Truck and get it ready for the snow :)
[15:17] <+Ravenia> is there a way to save this chat as a file?
[15:17] <+tia> Raven, are you gonna do a page for the newbie project?
[15:17] <@Raven> so long, everyone.....have a great thanksgiving...:-)))))))
[15:17] <+Rowdy> ThanksRaven and Tev!
[15:17] <+Itchy> Got to go time to type in format c: :(((
[15:17] <+WillyB> you too Raven and Tev!
[15:17] <+Frank> See everyone next week, Thanks All!
[15:17] <+WillyB> Have a great turkey day!!!!
[15:17] <+Ravenia> Thanks very much Raven & Tv!!!!!
[15:18] <+tia> Happy Thanksgiving :)
[15:18] *** Parts: Itchy
[15:18] <+Ravenia> Happy Thanksgiving to all!
[15:18] <@Raven> bye, ravenia.....tev and i were happy to be here...
[15:18] <@Raven> so long
[15:18] <@Tev> Happy Thanksgiveing everyone!
[15:18] *** Quits: Raven (QUIT: User exited)
[15:18] *** Parts: Tev
[15:18] <+Rowdy> well all.. c'ya on the Newbie Board http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/index.phtml
[15:18] *** HippyDude sets mode: +o WillyB
[15:18] <+Rowdy> :) Catch ya's later :)
[15:18] <+tia> see ya Rowdy :)
[15:18] <@WillyB> see ya Rowdy
[15:18] <+Frank> k Rowdy!
[15:18] *** Quits: Rowdy (QUIT: User exited)
[15:19] <+tia> well that was fun
[15:19] *** WillyB changes topic to 'Welcome to TheAdult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Webmasters Only!!!'