[14:00] <+Opti> ~* The Adult NetSurprise Reminder Service *~
[14:00] <+Opti> ** The Newbie Chat - Starting NOW **
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[14:00] <+actorguy> So the topic is Traffic Generation is it?Cool
[14:00] <+nola> good afternoon all
[14:00] <+Pitlord> hi nola hi edlecti
[14:00] <+Pitlord> errr
[14:00] <+Pitlord>eclecti
[14:00] <+EclectiXXX> hiya folks!
[14:00] <+nola> hey pit
[14:00] <+Pitlord> even
[14:00] <+actorguy> nola..hello
[14:00] <+kenith> is this the newbie chat room 
[14:00] <+nola> ag
[14:00] <+Pitlord> he who has the traffic makes the rules
[14:01] <+Pitlord> :)
[14:01] <+actorguy> Pit..yes until you learn the ways to get your own.Where is our resident search engine guru?
[14:01] <+Opti> no Kenith... but it is the "newbie chat show"
[14:01] <+nola> traffic generation sounds great to me, I've gotten to the point where I'm pretty consistent with the LL's - but still get no SE traffic
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[14:01] <+actorguy> nola...it takes a bit to get into the se.When did u submit last?
[14:02] <+Pitlord> This is a show? where's my popcorn
[14:02] <+Pitlord> ?
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[14:02] <+nola> its an ongoing process, I have about 15 avs sites and 30 free
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[14:02] <+Opti> Speaking of search engines... Has anyone else seen this name suddenyl hit their stats in the last day or so? http://www.attbi.com/
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[14:02] <+Pitlord> Hi Willy Hi Kahman Hi StephandRhonda :)
[14:02] <@Willy-B> hello Everyone!
[14:02] <+Pitlord> Hi Frank
[14:02] <+nola> the newest was yesterday - the oldest 6 months ago
[14:02] <+nola> gey frank
[14:02] <@Willy-B> Missed a few.. sorry
[14:02] <@Willy-B> :)
[14:02] <+Opti> hey Frank
[14:02] <+stephandrhonda> Hi
[14:02] <+nola> hey
[14:03] <+nola> oops
[14:03] <+Frank> Hiya folks, sorry I'm a bit late.
[14:03] <+stephandrhonda> Hey Frank.
[14:03] <@Willy-B> hiya Frank
[14:03] <+actorguy> ah...I made it under the paysite with a fpa on Google which brought a grin to me
[14:03] <+actorguy> Greets Frank
[14:03] <+nola> good job af
[14:03] <+nola> ag
[14:03] <+Pitlord> What search terms Actor
[14:03] <+nola> can't type today
[14:03] <+Pitlord> ?
[14:03] <+actorguy> type in Socal Coeds in google
[14:03] <@Willy-B> Frank.. better late than to incur the wrath of an entire chatroom!!! LOL
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[14:04] <+kenith> making your sitesbig helps getting lots of pages ranked in google
[14:04] *** HippyDude sets mode: +o Frank
[14:04] <+nola> rowdy
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[14:04] <+stephandrhonda> Hi Rowdy
[14:04] <@Frank> hehe, actorguy, those misspellings sure work,lol
[14:04] <@Willy-B> howdy Rowdy
[14:04] <@Rowdy> Afternoon everyone :)
[14:04] <+actorguy> lol....anything and everything Frank
[14:04] <+Opti> kenith.. I find google ranksasamller number of pages but ranks them on a far wider range of terms
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[14:04] <@Willy-B> Hello tia :)
[14:04] <+nola> hey tia
[14:04] <@Rowdy> hi tia
[14:05] <+stephandrhonda> Hi Tia
[14:05] <@Frank> hi tia
[14:05] <+tia> hi guys... hey Willy, Rowdy Frank :)
[14:05] <+loveslave> hiya Willy
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[14:05] <+loveslave> hiya tia
[14:05] <+tia> hi loveslave
[14:05] <+Opti> http://www.attbi.com/<---- So has anyone else heard or seen this search engine in their stats?
[14:05] <+Pitlord> AG which ones yours?
[14:05] <+stephandrhonda> 13nope.
[14:05] <@WillyB> hiya Loveslave :)
[14:05] <@WillyB> how have ya been?
[14:05] <+actorguy> numero 2 pit
[14:05] <+Opti> I think its brand new... It is linked from att.com 
[14:06] <@Frank> Opti, I don't recall that one
[14:06] <+tia> I haven't Opti
[14:06] <@WillyB> I have not either Opti
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[14:06] <+Pitlord> Ohhh sweeeet :)
[14:06] <+Opti> it is on teh top 25 most visited sites on the web!
[14:06] <+loveslave> hi Willy, I'v been ok, busy with my daughter this past week though
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[14:06] <+tia> but I will soon :))lol
[14:06] <+Pitlord> wassup TJay
[14:06] <+nola> good to see you tjay
[14:06] <@Rowdy> hi TJay
[14:06] <+stephandrhonda> Hi Tjay
[14:06] <+TJay> hey everyone!!!
[14:06] <+tia> hiye TJay!!!
[14:06] <@WillyB> cool loveslave :)
[14:06] <@WillyB> busy is good 
[14:06] <@WillyB> hiya Tjay
[14:06] <+loveslave> not really, she broke her wrist
[14:06] <@Frank> hiya TJay
[14:07] <@WillyB> ah.. sorry to hear that
[14:07] <+actorguy> ouch
[14:07] <+Pitlord> Ouch Loveslave... my oldest girl did that when she was 3
[14:07] <@Rowdy> bummer loveslave
[14:07] <+tia> bummer loveslave :(
[14:07] <+TJay> crazy news about that santa nola.... thats where my wife is at in sao palo.. she was born and rasiedthere she jsut went back for two months the other day...
[14:07] <+tia> lol Rowdy
[14:07] <+nola> it kind of made me chuckle so I figured i'd share
[14:08] <+TJay> sorry loveslave... breaking a bone is never good
[14:08] <+loveslave> she's six, handling it pretty well, got a cast finally
[14:08] <+tia> poor kid
[14:08] <+nola> kids heal incredibly fast
[14:08] * +Opti wanted a COOL cast when I was six
[14:08] <+Opti> never broke my arm though :(
[14:08] <+tia> lol
[14:08] <@WillyB> yeah.. soon she will be having all the kids sign in and it will help her I think
[14:08] <+loveslave> yeah, she got to see Roscoe as Santa this past weekend and that made her happy!
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[14:08] <+TJay> only bone i ever broke was my sback
[14:08] <@WillyB> I've only broken my neck before
[14:09] <+nola> I had the bad fortune to wait until my late 20's for the injuries to start
[14:09] <@WillyB> fractured anyway
[14:09] <@WillyB> not really brok
[14:09] <+stephandrhonda> Oh... only your neck!!!
[14:09] <+tia> oh man Willy
[14:09] <@WillyB> lol
[14:09] <@Rowdy> Opti... when the wrist "crumbles " and they replace it with steel, you get to wear one for 4 months or so ... fun fun....not!
[14:09] <+Opti> Opti puts in a broken leg
[14:09] <+nola> will - a fracture is abreak - you two picked doosies - back and neck , wow
[14:09] <+Pitlord> My girl only had a half cast cuz she was so young.... we had a hell of a time keeping it on her too :)
[14:09] <+EclectiXXX> lol Rowdy that's what you get for punching your car!
[14:09] <@WillyB> I was lucky nola.. that's for sure ;)
[14:09] * +Pitlord has steel in his ankles
[14:09] <+Opti> Aaargh Rowdy :(( been in hospital a few times <-- Motorcycle rider /Temporary Australian
[14:09] <@Rowdy> EclectiXXX... naw that only breaks a bone or two :)
[14:10] <+tia> lol EclectiXXX
[14:10] <@WillyB> I think Rowdy is about half pins and steal! lol
[14:10] <@Frank> Must be hell in a airport
[14:10] <+nola> tjay, did you do it on a jump, have a good friend - red beret,who broke his back just landing wrong on a jump
[14:10] <@WillyB> hahaha Frank!
[14:10] <+Opti> LOL Terminrowdy
[14:10] <+TJay> i got shot during a jumpand couldnt control my ropes
[14:11] <+TJay> broke two vertabra and one disk
[14:11] <+Pitlord> I think rowdy is an earth bound demon from the pits of hell ;)
[14:11] <+TJay> i have plastic now
[14:11] <+Opti> Got Shot?
[14:11] <@WillyB> ouch
[14:11] <@Rowdy> willy .. actually all the other steel has been removed
[14:11] <+nola> glad you just broke your back - could have been worse
[14:11] <+TJay> i was an amry ranger opti
[14:11] * @WillyB salutes
[14:11] <+Opti> wow... ok my injuries are just scratches LOL
[14:11] * +Pitlord salutes
[14:11] <+tia> hehe
[14:11] <+TJay> yes could have been much worse. as it is i only have a nice big scar in my arm and a few pices of plasti in my back
[14:11] * +actorguy is listening..
[14:11] <@WillyB> lol opti!
[14:11] <+tia> hi actorguy :)
[14:12] <+actorguy> hi tia
[14:12] <+Opti> hey Tia :))) did I say hello?
[14:12] <+tia> I don't know Opti.. screen was scrolling too fast lol
[14:12] <+nola> were you in panama, friends name is james donald - he was airborne
[14:12] <+Opti> ;p
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[14:12] <+TJay> no i was in desert storm and somalia
[14:12] <+Pitlord> 8^P
[14:12] <+tia> Crawdad!!!
[14:12] <@WillyB> hello Crawdad :-)
[14:13] <+TJay> among other missions
[14:13] <+Crawdad> tia!!!
[14:13] <+stephandrhonda> Hi crawdad.
[14:13] <+actorguy> Chuck
[14:13] <+Opti> Hi Crawdad! :)
[14:13] <@Rowdy> Hi BunnyBoy ... I mean crawdad :)
[14:13] <+nola> a long and distinguished career
[14:13] <+Pitlord> Sorry to hear that TJay... takin orders from Slick Willy and all ;)
[14:13] <+nola> hey Crawdad
[14:13] <+TJay> but i was an airborne ranger.. not airbonr
[14:13] <+Crawdad> howdy everybody...cept rowdy
[14:13] <+Crawdad> hehehe
[14:13] <@Rowdy> :)
[14:13] * +tia gives hugs all around to her friends :)
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[14:13] <+Opti> Rowdythe Robot.com
[14:13] <+Crawdad> rowdyrugburns.com
[14:13] * +Opti knows that is late, but it made me smile
[14:14] <+actorguy> Craw...say hello
[14:14] <+TJay> lol
[14:14] <+Pitlord> speaking of robots... can a robot.txt file help with your SE listings at all?
[14:14] <+tia> hehe
[14:14] <+Crawdad> i did, hi AG
[14:14] <+Opti> Sorry Crawdad we were talking about how Rowdy is 34% metal parts now
[14:14] <+Crawdad> why?
[14:14] <@WillyB> lol
[14:14] <+actorguy> I wanted a personal one
[14:14] <+tia> good question Pitlord I was wondering that too
[14:14] <+Crawdad> prosthetic legs?arms?what?
[14:14] <+TJay> wtf is a robot.txt
[14:14] <@WillyB> I dont' think so Pit
[14:14] <+Opti> I know a friend who tried to use one a few months and fucked it up and lost every sibgle search engine listing inamatter of weeks LOL
[14:15] <+Crawdad> robot.txt tells the spiders not to index a certain page
[14:15] <+TJay> ok nevermind if it wont help me dont tell me what it is :-) lol
[14:15] <@Rowdy> Pit ... check out the contributed links at the newbie zone ... there is a good article about robot.txt
[14:15] <@WillyB> that just tells them what to spider.. and not all of them even look for it
[14:15] <@Frank> Pitlord, to me I doubt it, it can control where the bot may go, but not what it see's so to speak.
[14:15] <+TJay> ohhhhh thanks crawdad
[14:15] <+Opti> It is useful to use a robots.txt in your cgi-bin folder to tell spiders not to index the files there
[14:15] <+Crawdad> np
[14:15] <+nola> how about meta tag for author
[14:16] <+tia> let me ask something here.. how useful are meta tags really?
[14:16] <+Crawdad> i also use them for other stuff, like the inside of my avs sites
[14:16] <@Rowdy> Crawdad.. I ain't that fucked up .. lol
[14:16] <@WillyB> good thinking Opti
[14:16] <+Crawdad> hehehe, sorry rowdy
[14:16] <+tia> I've had pages list very well that have none whatsoever
[14:16] <@WillyB> hahahaha Rowdy!
[14:16] <+stephandrhonda> REally... tia..
[14:16] <+TJay> anybody care to see how my first free site is progessing to advertise my pay sites? its no where near finished.. but i'd liek to seeif i'm using the keywords properly etc.. colors and what not..
[14:16] <+Opti> Crawdad... thast a good use too
[14:16] <@WillyB> I don't think I have any robot.txt's
[14:16] <+nola> post it tjay
[14:16] <@Rowdy> :)
[14:16] <+Crawdad> meta's are becoming less and less important as the spiders get smarter
[14:16] <+TJay> me too tia.. for two years i never hada meta tage ever
[14:16] <@Frank> tia, they can be very useful like for altavista, but everything has to correspond for things to work right.
[14:16] <+tia> I'm starting to wonder if it might be better not to use them, and just rely on body text and title
[14:16] <+TJay> http://www.wefuckhard.com/bitches/index.htm
[14:16] <+Opti> Tia... my best convertring search engine listing has no meta tags either
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[14:17] <+Opti> but it doesnt get a lot of hits
[14:17] <+tia> I don't do well with alta vista for some reason... ever since they changed things there
[14:17] <+Crawdad> my best converting listings are the ones I paid for
[14:17] <+Crawdad> lol
[14:17] <+TJay> and i have NEVER follwoed this type of model before so be as critical as you like
[14:17] <+Opti> When they changed they dropped 6000 pages of mine that were indexed and I havent seen shit of them sionce
[14:18] <@Rowdy> http://www.global-positioning.com/robots_text_file/index.html
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[14:18] <+stephandrhonda> Its been a couple months since I submitted my first free site to the major SE and I'm not even listed, period.
[14:18] <+nola> tjay- get rid of the box warning, put something simple in. on the main page you have 3 baners - some LL's only allow 2
[14:18] <@Frank> yea, you don't have to have meta's by no means, but depending on what the search is a relevancy of pages, sometimes they can help.
[14:18] <@WillyB> they fuck and suck wanna be pornstars! ????
[14:18] <+Crawdad> Hiya Frank, didn't see you was here
[14:18] <@Frank> hi CD!
[14:18] <+nola> you don't need 3 galleries, only 2 with 10 pics each
[14:18] <+TJay> what willy?
[14:19] <@Frank> stephandrhonda, it takes a long time sometimes, Google is the quickest to get into usually
[14:19] <+Opti><stephandrhonda> Its been a couple months since I submitted my first free site to the major SE and I'm not even listed, period. <---- Are you using just the one domain?
[14:19] <+stephandrhonda> Opti:yes..
[14:19] <+stephandrhonda> I have another site I haven't submitted yet.
[14:19] <+Pitlord> TJay - BLOWUPSEX.COM roflmao
[14:20] <+Opti> I wonder if you dont have a problem with the domain... You should be able to dind a page indexed... even if it doesnt send any traffic
[14:20] <+TJay> :-)
[14:20] <@WillyB> That sentence didn't make sense to me TJ
[14:20] <@WillyB> on main.html
[14:20] <+stephandrhonda> Opti:What kind of problem ??
[14:20] <@Frank> with SE's you gotta remember, there are millions of pages out there competing, it's nice to get SE hits, but you really can't rely on it.
[14:20] <@Rowdy> ya.. need to see if the IP has ben banned or something possibly
[14:20] <+Crawdad> i know you gotta check your server, a friend of mine told me that his host has a robot.txt file on all of their shared servers for some reason
[14:20] <+nola> tjay, overall looks OK, I like to keep mine very simple and don't use a lot of banners - mostly text. Keeps BW bill down.
[14:20] <@HippyDude>The Content Zone! ... http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/contentzone/ ... Everyone Needs Content!
[14:21] <@WillyB> You should try to keep ? marks out if ya can too.. a question is a 'wonder' ? Should I really do that?
[14:21] <+Opti> Well I dont know but despite whta you hear... most engines will index a new site within a few days to a week in most cases... if tehy havent listed one page in months on any engine... It just seems too weird to me?
[14:21] <+TJay> ahhhhh
[14:21] <@WillyB> you don't want them to have any doubt that they want to buy your sponsors membership
[14:21] <+TJay> right
[14:21] <+nola> use !!!
[14:22] <@WillyB> I like the way that Purple text stands out there :)
[14:22] <+stephandrhonda> Opti:I know.. i try to search for the exact domain name and it isn't listed at all..
[14:22] <+Opti> whats teh name?
[14:22] <+stephandrhonda> www.freelesbianporn4u.com
[14:22] <@Rowdy> I'd like to have some people's opnion on the next Newbie Project if I may.....
[14:22] <+Pitlord> I realize I'm using outdated equipment but I have to scroll side to side to read everything... I'm stuck at 640 x 480
[14:22] <@WillyB> ouch Pitlord!
[14:23] <+Pitlord> ya... it sucks... I gotta make some money B4 I can get new equipment
[14:23] <+nola> I'm at work - therefore 800 mhz and a 21 inch sony monitor
[14:23] <+TJay> yeah i set it for 800x600 users since thats what the majority are on
[14:23] <@Rowdy> The next project is going to be based on how to use one "site" to create many as well as using it for AVS and for TGP's ... so... I was curious as to if a Two hour special Saturday chat might benefit everyone on that project when we start it..... any thoughts?
[14:23] <+stephandrhonda> me too Nola
[14:23] <+nola> plus T3 connection
[14:23] <+Opti> freelesbianporn4u.com :(( you are right stephandrhonda
[14:24] <+Pitlord> I tend to use "liquid" tables so they resize for any resolution\
[14:24] <+stephandrhonda> I guess I should just try to resubmit then...
[14:24] <+TJay> i would love that... if it doesnt fall into my live show schedule ... but i'm not the only one here either :-)
[14:24] <@WillyB> that sounds like a great idea Rowdy :-))
[14:24] <+nola> I usually go for narrow pages
[14:24] <+Opti> It doesnt even show up as being visited once by Alexa ... 
[14:24] <+Crawdad> sorry, had a phone call, what's the next project going to be?
[14:24] <+stephandrhonda> What's Alexa??
[14:24] <+Pitlord> Rowdy... sounds like a pretty detailed project. I know I'd benefit from a Saturday night chat.
[14:25] <@WillyB> "How to make Crawdad more money"
[14:25] <@WillyB> LOL!
[14:25] <@WillyB> J/K!!!
[14:25] <+TJay> lol
[14:25] <@Rowdy> crawdad ...a few lines up bud
[14:25] <+Opti> http://xslt.alexa.com/data/cli100?srv=-1&client=3&url=freelesbianporn4u.com/
[14:25] <+Crawdad> hehe, i always wanna make more dough willy, you know that
[14:25] <+nola> the 2 hour chat is not a bad idea but I am pretty swamped until after new years - plus I will be out of town without any connection
[14:25] <@WillyB> Well... true.. and all of the projects are geared just toward that end also ;)
[14:25] <+Crawdad> ok, i read it.I do alot of that already
[14:25] <+TJay> i would without a doubt come in for a two hour chat.. but i do a live show saturdays form 9-11
[14:26] <@Rowdy> the new project won't be launched until after the holidays... even all of us need a bit of a break during the holidays :)
[14:26] <+nola> good!!!
[14:26] <+Crawdad> what holiday?
[14:26] <+tia> sounds good Rowdy
[14:26] <+nola> kwanzaa
[14:26] <+TJay> lol crawdad
[14:26] <+stephandrhonda> Thanks for checking that Opti....
[14:26] <@WillyB> yeah.. time to regroup and recover!
[14:26] <+TJay> chanuka
[14:26] <@WillyB> lol
[14:26] <@Frank> lol
[14:26] <@Rowdy> Crawdad... the expensive one....lol
[14:26] <+Crawdad> there's a holiday coming?
[14:26] <+Pitlord> steph and rhonda... it's looking good so far... I love the improvements.... 
[14:26] <+tia> you got that right Rowdy, we
[14:26] <@WillyB> all of them around this time of year Crawdad! LOL
[14:27] <+Crawdad> easter?i didn't rent the bunny suit yet
[14:27] <+stephandrhonda> Thanks Pitlord..
[14:27] <@WillyB> Celebrate them all and you will party down!!!!
[14:27] <+tia> we're juggling presents right now .. lol
[14:27] <+Pitlord> on the index page you might want to tighten up the recips though... they take up a lot of scroll space
[14:27] <@Rowdy> I don't even want to think of what christmas is costing me this year :(
[14:27] <+Opti> No probs... I wish I had an answer for you... I would buy another domain and start using that for search engine submissions too if i were you... You NEED search engine traffic or you wil have a lot of trouble making profit in the long term
[14:27] <+nola> as long as people are doing site reviews, I made a tranny free site yesterday http://www.monster-hardcore.com/montran
[14:27] <@Frank> Rowdy, so far it costed me a totalled truck,lol
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[14:27] <+Pitlord> LOL Frank
[14:27] <+stephandrhonda> Opti:yeah.. I have a about 3 other names I'll be using...
[14:27] <+TJay> page not found
[14:27] <+Crawdad> I have for the very first time in my life, bought all my presents before hand and will not be at the mini market on xmas eve looking fro presents....
[14:27] <+Pitlord> ouch
[14:28] <@Rowdy> Frank.. for what I spent... it could probably replace the truck...lol
[14:28] <+TJay> trannys ROCK!!!
[14:28] <@WillyB> Rowdy.. I had to get them a computer last night.. Dora made me
[14:28] <@Frank> lol
[14:28] <+nola> looks like server down let me check
[14:28] <+Opti> Steph and Rhonda !!!! So thats what the hell it is :)) LOL
[14:28] <+Opti> I thought is was Steph and her honda LOL
[14:28] <@Rowdy> Willy? the kids?
[14:28] <+stephandrhonda> LOL!!!
[14:28] <@WillyB> hahahahaha!
[14:28] <@Frank> lol
[14:28] <@WillyB> Well.. all of them
[14:29] <+Crawdad> i thought our topic was gonna be traffic generation today?
[14:29] <@WillyB> it's 9 gig hd.. not sure the processor.. and a monitor to go with it of course 
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[14:29] <+Pitlord> I have a question. What should I use as an index page in the root directory of my domain? FPA, links page, something like our SE projects? the domain is http://www.oralsexpornos.com/
[14:29] <+nola> fuck - server is down - and I just submitted to LL's yesterday. this could really fuck me
[14:29] <@WillyB> It is Crawdad!
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[14:29] <@WillyB> LOL
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[14:29] <@WillyB> wb tia :-)
[14:29] <+Opti> Or actually I thoight is was Stephen Dr.. somehting LOL
[14:29] <@Rowdy> Crawdad.... it is.... didn't you cacth that part... boy... ya need more coffee dude! :)
[14:29] <+Crawdad> give up some secrets willyb
[14:30] <+Crawdad> i'm multitasking, so i'm missing big chunks of the chat
[14:30] <@WillyB> Hubs and links to all your sites... and SE submits
[14:30] <@Rowdy> Secrets..... how about "clear the air of misconceptions" .....
[14:30] <+Crawdad> ok, what misconceptions?
[14:30] <@WillyB> Actually.. I was hoping Opti would share a few of his secrets ;) hehehe
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[14:34] <@WillyB> you have to link all of your sites to gether then the SE's will spider and get them all
[14:35] <@WillyB> Watch your stats and see what the most frequent search words are used and use those in titles and main keywords
[14:35] <+Opti> Yeah Yeah Rowdy :)) You made that up didnt yopu?
[14:35] <+Opti> :)
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[14:35] <+Pitlord> If the servers loose contact ppl... from one server can't see the ppl on the other server and It looks like they get booted
[14:35] <@Rowdy> sure enough opti
[14:35] <@Rowdy> lol
[14:35] <+Crawdad> all of my sites are linked together in one big hub, which links back to all my sites
[14:35] <+Crawdad> even fpa's and tgp pages
[14:36] <@WillyB> that is the way to do it
[14:36] <@WillyB> for the SE's
[14:36] <+Opti> LOL Sorry rowdy... ;p
[14:36] <@WillyB> but what about links lists?
[14:36] <+Pitlord> yes... what about LLs?
[14:36] <+Opti> I just did a search Crawdad and rowdy tells the truth :)
[14:36] <+Opti> Net splits 
[14:36] <+Opti> Networks can become divided (called a "net split"), thus separating you from users you had been speaking with. These splits are often relatively short, though common some days.
[14:36] <+nola> I think I will have to do that - do you put the links way down in the same color as the background
[14:36] <@WillyB> I find about 6 sites to link to , find which has the toughest rules and build it to be accepted there.. then it will usually be listed on the other 5 as well
[14:37] <+Crawdad> i put them a different color than the background nola, read somewhere that the engines read that as spamming when you make it the same color as the background
[14:37] <+nola> but you put them where no one will click them
[14:37] <+Pitlord> if there's a banner with text links above and below is that counted as one or three sponsor links?
[14:37] <+Opti> or use an image for the backgroun color
[14:37] <+Crawdad> i just make em real small, sometimes it's even just a period or a comma that's linked
[14:37] <@Frank> yep, me to WillyB, then I usually try at least making 5 pages with 6 recips each myself
[14:38] <+nola> good ideas - will have to implement them
[14:38] <@WillyB> yes.. then you have 30 lists going to the site
[14:38] <+Crawdad> i do the image thing too nola, can hide alot of keywords that way
[14:38] <@Frank> for those that wanna try using fpa's, you surely can find enough LL's that accept them to make different doorways to if you wish to.
[14:39] <+nola> I just did an experiment where I submitted 10 doorway pages to 80 LL's - with my new stat package I should be able to tell who gives me the best traffic then only submit to them
[14:39] <@WillyB> That is an easy way to build 5 sites too Frank
[14:39] <+Opti> Spiders like links they find attahced to "prominent images" well googles spider does anyway
[14:39] <@Frank> even list that don't give much traffic over time can serve as another link for popularity
[14:39] <@Rowdy> nola.. don't confuse "best" with "most" :)
[14:39] <@WillyB> you only have to make one or two pages per site and the Guts of it are done already
[14:39] <+TJay> brb mommy needs help bringin in the groceries :-)
[14:39] <+Crawdad> i submit everywhere nola, i have places that only send a few hits a day, but they are the most productive sales wise by far
[14:40] <+nola> so stay with submitool, lol
[14:40] <@WillyB> Exatcly Rowdy and Crawdad
[14:40] <@Rowdy> if they give you the most that converts... great... if just the most traffic... ya better understand filtering and toplists and trades and so forth
[14:40] <@WillyB> look around and watch your stats nola
[14:40] <+nola> That's the big experiment this month
[14:40] <+Opti> Nola.. I find I get most signups from category clciks from link lists.. so if you track them look for the ones that keep sedning a few hits a day forever from the CATEGORY pages rather than from the fronbt of the site or the new page
[14:40] <@WillyB> keep trying different ones on the new sites you build and keep the ones that have done well in the past too
[14:40] <+Pitlord>if there's a banner with text links above and below is that counted as one or three sponsor links?
[14:40] <@Rowdy> Back to Misconception number one real quick since it kinda fits in...
[14:40] <+Crawdad> that's been my big experiment this year nola...hehehe
[14:41] <@Rowdy> Misconception number one.... traffic is king .... bullshit!
[14:41] <@Rowdy> Traffic is a death wish if you know not how to convert/use it and when you know how to convert/use ... you need to know what traffic you want... and what you don't!
[14:41] <@Rowdy> Without having a good general knowledge of all aspects of traffic, a large amount usually will only mean increased B/W and decreased profits.
[14:41] <@Rowdy> knowledge with traffic is power as well as money :)
[14:41] <@WillyB> Well put Rowdy!
[14:41] <+nola> so is the traffic from gg or tommy quality - or is it better to get from the smaller ll's
[14:41] <@Frank> yep
[14:42] <+Crawdad> depends on what you do with it nola
[14:42] <+Opti> GG is good quality still
[14:42] <@Rowdy> nola.. it applies differently to everyone... that's where cross referancing your stats with your sponsor stats comes in
[14:42] <@WillyB> that's what I was gonna say Crawdad
[14:42] <+Crawdad> if you send it straight to a sponsor, then I'd say no
[14:42] <+Opti> GG category traffic is GREAT
[14:42] <+Crawdad> yes it is opti, i like it there alot better than on the new sites list
[14:43] <+Opti> the few thousands hits that come from the new page on listing he could keep in most cases though :)
[14:43] <@Rowdy> linking to sponsors, clean sites, dirty sites, fpa's, AVS's and more all are a large factor on how the traffic will react
[14:43] <+stephandrhonda> How do you guys break your stats down to know which traffic does the best for you??
[14:43] <+Crawdad> same with some tgp's, i love it when my pages go into the archives categorized, waiting for the hungry se surfers....
[14:43] <+Opti> Dont get me wrong... a smal links site can be as good or better than GG too... there is a lot of good traffic senders
[14:43] <@Frank> link list are just like sponsors to me, each can do different things for you, all dependent on various things. I pick LL's like I do sponsors
[14:43] <@Rowdy> stephandrhonda.. different pages for different lists with rotating sponsors and so forth.. it can be as easy or as involved as you want to make it for the most part
[14:44] <+nola> how about targeted topsites- are those the best?
[14:44] <@Rowdy> nola.. some are good... some are shit... like everything else on the web :)
[14:44] <+nola> the best of the highest quality for big tits comes from DD's top 100 breast
[14:44] <+Opti> do your stats nola... YOU will know than!
[14:45] <+nola> correct opti, only I can figure out how I'm doing
[14:45] <+Opti> Danger Dave has a lot of traffic :)
[14:45] <+nola> but it would be so much easier if one of you would do all my work for me - any takers???
[14:45] <@Frank> lol
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[14:45] <@Rowdy> It truly pays to watch the list/site you want to link with for a few days... see what gets listed... how the site looks from day to day. Basically, play detective a bit and many times your questions like "is this a good list" becomes self apparent
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[14:46] <+stephandrhonda> I guess I need to sit down and figure out how to break down the stats...
[14:46] <+Crawdad> sure nola, just let me format my hard drive and get rid of all this stuff I been working on and then I'll get right on your stuff
[14:46] <+Opti> But Nola... I doidnt mean it like that... you can look at my links site test stats if you liek... but it wont help uoi decioed who is going to link youetc]
[14:46] <+Pitlord> Crawdad... why do you say that se surfers go to the archives?
[14:46] <+nola> I kew what you meant opti, just playing around
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[14:46] <+Opti> :))
[14:47] <@Rowdy> LongDong musta shrivled up ... lol
[14:47] <+nola> I appreciate it crawdad
[14:47] <+Pitlord> LOL
[14:47] <+nola> I think long dong was looking for a different type of chatroom
[14:47] <+Crawdad> heres' why i said that, I have done some research and alot of the archive pages end up in the se's, most of the bookmarkers for tgp's hit the main page and look at the new stuff, but don't bother to go into the archives...that's where I make alot of sales.
[14:47] <+Pitlord> OIC... thanx
[14:47] <@Rowdy> yep crawdad... I agree
[14:47] <@Frank> stephandrhonda, knowing what your stats are telling you sure helps, if you're getting a ton of traffic in and little out, then you gotta figure out what the problem is. It may be the LL traffic, it may be the site, etc... it's a learning experience
[14:47] <+Opti> Nola... I made a mature free site and submitted it to about 80 link sites on 1 december.. it has made 3 signups so far adn here is the stats for which sites have sent what so far http://www.iacinc.com/cgi-bin/referer/displayreferers.cgiShould show you the info you want :) 
[14:47] <+Crawdad> for example, my listings at thumbzilla that are in the archives do much better than the listings on the main page
[14:48] <+nola> thanx
[14:48] <+Pitlord> what about toplist traffic... does it convert or is it better to use it to up your rankings on the top lists?
[14:48] <@Rowdy> had one tgp page from years ago that got SE traffic for almost two years after I quit playing the tgp game on a regular basis
[14:49] <+Crawdad> that's pretty kewl rowdy
[14:49] <@Rowdy> Pit... all depends on the list... I have some that convert real easy and then play some others that I just use for more traffic generation
[14:49] <@Frank> Pitlord, I have done well with toplist if they are targetted, yet, swapping traffic can work well to.
[14:49] <@Rowdy> yep Crawdad... I didn't complain... even had all images removed the last year or so...lol
[14:49] <+nola> opti - looks similar to some of my stats - and conversion ratios are simlilar, a little better for tranny content a little worse for big tit or cumshot
[14:50] <+Crawdad> hehe, funny you mention that, i got a free site in the engines that has no pics, does pretty good
[14:50] <+Opti> surprising how few hits some sites send eh?
[14:50] <+Opti> :) but that isnt the important part
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[14:50] <+nola> I guess they don't have the traffic
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[14:50] <+Pitlord> opti... how do those stats tell you which surfers are converting?
[14:51] <+nola> good question
[14:51] <+Opti> they dont... that is a script counting hits to one free site
[14:51] <+nola> so how do you know which ones are converting
[14:51] <+stephandrhonda> that's what I want to know too??
[14:51] <+Pitlord> ditto nola ;)
[14:51] <+Opti> Do you mean which link sirtesa convert?
[14:51] <+Crawdad> i don't have a script, I do it differently.I setup certain sponsors for certain kinds of traffic
[14:52] <+Opti> You cant tell from one set of stats... :) you see the pattern of what traffic is coming when the signups arrive
[14:52] <+Pitlord> opti ... yes... I can see where my traffic is coming from and which pages the check out on my site, etc... but how can I tell which ones are signing up
[14:52] <+nola> trial and error with different doorway setups?
[14:52] <+Pitlord> OK... it's a kind of Zen thing
[14:52] <+Crawdad> lol
[14:52] <+Pitlord> >__<
[14:52] <@WillyB> with regular server stats you really cant tell easily.. but you begin to see that during the next few days after a link from GG.. you get two sales.. that's GG traffic.. 98% sure
[14:53] <+Opti> well that free site is miirored about 15 times so ic an see in my sponsior ststa what page the sale comes from so that narrows it sown to 1 of 6 sites
[14:53] <+nola> zen and the art of free porn maintainence
[14:53] <@Frank> Here's how I look at it. If say you get 10,000 hits from a LL, and only a small percent hit your sponsor, that may not be too good of traffic, yet it could be your site. It depends.
[14:53] <+Pitlord> LOL nola
[14:53] <@WillyB> Same with the other lists.. and the smaller ones are harder to tell if you are listed at a big links site as well
[14:53] <+Opti> and after you do the exercise a few times you can see a pattern developing where each free site makes most money per hit after the first couple of weeks
[14:54] <+nola> servers back in action :)
[14:54] <+Crawdad> ok, i have a sponsorship program that I only use for the paid listings I have at goto, so when I make a sale there, I know it came from those listings, I have another sponsor that I use soley for 404 and exit traffic, so I know that's where those sales came from, and so on and so on
[14:54] <@Frank> cool nola
[14:55] <+nola> anyone want to take a quick looksee??? http://www.monster-hardcore.com/montran/enter.htm
[14:55] <@Rowdy> Before the chat ends.... any suggestions for future topics as well ?
[14:55] <+nola> used submitool, lol
[14:55] <+Crawdad> niche sites rowdy
[14:55] <+nola> I like the crawdad
[14:55] <@Rowdy> Crawdad.. marketing? making? what?
[14:55] <+Crawdad> yeah, marketing a niche your not familiar with
[14:56] <+nola> how about TGP2???
[14:56] <@Rowdy> ok :) Sounds like a good one for next week (if we have one)
[14:56] <@WillyB> nola.. on the gallery pages I put a border around the banners at top and a text link for sure under them
[14:56] <+Crawdad> good idea nola
[14:56] <@Rowdy> nola... I'll check with that board and see if a few want to stop in and chat sometime
[14:56] <+tia> sorry I haven't been contributing guys.. had to pay attention to my kids
[14:57] <@WillyB> np tia :)
[14:57] <@Rowdy> tia... your presence is contribution enough even if only in spirit :)
[14:57] <@WillyB> I have kids too ;)
[14:57] <+nola> I really have no idea how to do TGP2, read a little bit on it, but haven't tried it
[14:57] <+Pitlord> TGP2 how does it compare to TGP as far as productivity?
[14:57] <+tia> hehe.. thanks Willy and Rowdy :)
[14:57] <+nola> I know it spares your bandwidth a little
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[14:57] <+nola> thanx willy
[14:57] <+Crawdad> dunno pit, I haven't done any, been doing regular tgp for a while though
[14:57] <@WillyB> hello Tev :)
[14:57] <+Tev> Hey Everyone!
[14:57] <@Frank> Hi Tev
[14:57] <+TJay> i'm back from bringin in the gorceries but now it looks like the chat be over :-( i guess that means its time to get back to work
[14:57] <@Rowdy> hi Tev .. how was the movie?
[14:58] <+TJay> hey tev!!!
[14:58] <+tia> hey Tev :)
[14:58] <+Tev> Frikkin great!!!!!!!!!
[14:58] <+TJay> what movie?
[14:58] <+nola> that was a lot of groceries tj
[14:58] <@Frank> lol
[14:58] <+stephandrhonda> Which movie??
[14:58] <+Crawdad> did you go see lord of the rings?
[14:58] <+stephandrhonda> Lord of the rings?
[14:58] <+Tev> the Lord of the Rings
[14:58] <+Pitlord> ya I'll have another free site up by the end of the week I hope
[14:58] <+TJay> lol yeah mom tends to go overboard when its my money :-)
[14:58] <+Pitlord> How was it Tev?
[14:58] <+Crawdad> man, i'm jealous
[14:58] <+nola> I need to see that one
[14:58] <+Tev> Outstanding movie I highly highly reccomend it
[14:58] <+TJay> cool
[14:58] <@Frank> good to hear Pitlord, that's the way to do it. Gotta keep moving forward.
[14:58] <+Crawdad> I'm going xmas day to see Ali....
[14:58] <+stephandrhonda> Cool...
[14:59] <+TJay> ali looks good
[14:59] <+stephandrhonda> We'll be seeing it Friday.
[14:59] <@WillyB> Also nola.. on the main page.. I'd <u>underline</u> some of the words and lines.. but not all of them ;)
[14:59] <+Tev> Got that righ PitLord!keep 'em moving out
[14:59] <+Pitlord> Thanx again to all that commented on my latest site...
[14:59] <@Rowdy> I agree Willy
[14:59] <+nola> I'm not even looking to get a pirated copy of it, I want to see it on the big screen
[14:59] <@WillyB> so ppl know for sure they are clickable
[14:59] <+TJay> lol
[14:59] <+Pitlord> you can check out the changes if you like http://www.oralsexpornos.com/free/pussyeatinglesbians/
[14:59] <+nola> Didn't think of that willy
[14:59] <+Crawdad> ok, i'm outa here, got a buttload of work to do today.....
[15:00] <+nola> later CD
[15:00] <+Pitlord> c-ya cradad
[15:00] <@Frank> k CD, c ya bud
[15:00] <+Pitlord> errr. crawdad even
[15:00] <+TJay> well i should get to work on these changes and finish the galleries.. i'll post an update o nteh borad for review.. thanks everyon for the input and hope everyone hasa profitable day
[15:00] <+Crawdad> bye bye everybody, nice seein ya'll
[15:00] <+TJay> 15 days to vegas woohoo
[15:00] <@Rowdy> Also...real quick... a HUGE Thank Yoo to everyone for making the Newbie Board as great as it is! :)
[15:00] <@WillyB> surfers have a lot less time behind the keyboard than you do nola ;) esp. if they are fresh from the SE's hehehe
[15:00] <+tia> I gotta get going too.. kids need help with homework now.. lol
[15:00] <+Pitlord> Peace all
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[15:00] <+nola> Vegas, I'm jealous
[15:00] <@Rowdy> Have a great day all!
[15:00] <+Crawdad> you know i'll be there Tjay
[15:00] <+tia> see ya'll later :)
[15:00] <@WillyB> See ya tia
[15:00] <+nola> have fun without me
[15:00] <+TJay> bye all
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[15:00] <@WillyB> see ya Rowdy 
[15:00] <+Tev> Damn, got back too late!
[15:00] <@Frank> see ya great folks!
[15:00] <+stephandrhonda> I'm out of here too...Got to get back to work... bye.
[15:01] <@Frank> damn, everyone goes quick,lol
[15:01] <@Rowdy> catch ya soon
[15:01] <@WillyB> It is just gettingover Tev :(
[15:01] <+Tev> bye!
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[15:01] <+nola> OK, I'm out too, thanks willy, you think it will convert??
[15:01] <+Tev> It was a 3 hour movie
[15:01] <@WillyB> Well.. I think it has possibilities nola :)
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[15:01] <+nola> good, later all
[15:01] <@WillyB> see ya :)
[15:01] <@WillyB> thanks for coming everyone!
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[15:01] <@WillyB> Tev.. ya missed it mon!
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[15:02] <@Frank> lol
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