[13:59] *** WillyB changes topic to 'The Newbie Chat - Topic Today: Making Goals --- Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - WebCreators Only' [13:59] *** WillyB sets mode: +o Frank [14:00] <@WillyB> ok, now it's official! [14:00] <@Frank> Saw alittle action on the newbie board. Didn't have a chance to make a post cause the net just came back up so I wanted to pop in hear first. [14:00] <@WillyB> the Newbie Chat is ON! [14:00] ok whats "it" [14:00] ahhhh [14:00] ok [14:00] <@WillyB> I just posted it about 45 minutes ago Frank [14:00] <@WillyB> got to give everyone time to see it and be late hehehe [14:01] * Kre8t0r is alergic to board posting [14:01] :p [14:01] *** Joins: SirMoby [14:01] <@Frank> yep, gotta give me a hour warning, lol you know that [14:01] <@WillyB> K is a real newbie.. been one for years now hehehe! J/K hehehe [14:01] rofl [14:01] Hey everyone! [14:01] *** Joins: methie [14:01] always will be [14:01] <@WillyB> hello SirMoby :) [14:01] <@Frank> Hi SirMoby! [14:01] hehehe [14:01] <@WillyB> wb methie [14:01] hey methie [14:01] <@WillyB> me too K [14:01] How's bix Frank & Willy B? [14:01] dud gettin poser [14:02] oppps - biz [14:02] <@WillyB> doing Great SirMoby :) [14:02] *** Joins: Slugo [14:02] i'll pass it on when its finished [14:02] <@WillyB> cool Kre8t0r.. I need that ;) [14:02] <@Frank> it's going... [14:02] I've been slow the past 2 weeks :(( [14:02] <@WillyB> hi ya Slugo [14:02] *** Joins: juststeve [14:02] <@WillyB> welcome juststeve [14:02] hey all - ill stop fooling around with dreamweaver for now [14:02] <@Frank> Hi juststeve! [14:02] summer had hit everyone to a point [14:03] has even [14:03] hey Frank, SirMoby [14:03] yawn hi guys [14:03] <@WillyB> yeah it has.. good thing colleges are going back soon [14:03] <@Frank> Hi methie [14:03] <@WillyB> don't do that steve! LOL [14:03] <@WillyB> it's about 5 am there isn't it? [14:03] what percentage does the summer slowdown account for? [14:03] <@WillyB> quite a bit for most methie [14:03] <@WillyB> as far as I know [14:03] really - well thats good news [14:04] thats right = alarm just went off [14:04] is there audio? [14:04] althoug - with 8 signups in 3 weeks - itll have to get a lot better than that :) [14:04] <@WillyB> but some ppl say they did not notice any drop off [14:04] oh god - Marie just turned the light on - oh boy :( [14:04] <@WillyB> no Slugo.. there isn't any audio [14:04] althought that was my 1st 3 weeks in tgp's [14:04] <@Frank> hummm, I haven't broken it down really. But I'd say I make most of my money OCT-MAR [14:04] <@WillyB> LOL juststeve! [14:04] thanks, WillyB [14:05] <@WillyB> yeah.. that's about how it works for me as well Frank [14:05] <@WillyB> within that period somewhere [14:05] <@Frank> Actually I have found if you have some sites with good SE listings the summer isn't near as bad, but still slow [14:06] I better get ready for next summer :)) [14:06] <@WillyB> the se's are where the newbies go to find porn.. I can see why they are better during the slow periods [14:06] yup [14:06] can I ask a question about paid goto listings [14:06] love that se traffic : } [14:06] <@Frank> True SirMoby, it pays to stick alittle back [14:06] <@Frank> Yet, having recurring helps too [14:06] <@WillyB> Summers are good for just building and submitting to SE's .. then by the time winter hits you are listed and getting traffick [14:06] my mistake this year [14:07] how can peoiple make any money at 25c /click [14:07] what are typical SE conversions [14:08] <@WillyB> hard to say methie.. usually about 50% better than linklisted/tgp listed sites [14:08] I can't tell you about SE conversions.I suck with SEs [14:08] haha - that make me too [14:08] <@Frank> methie, everything still depends on the site and sales ability but I have had some SE sites do 1:85 before but usually always less than 1:200 [14:08] <@WillyB> it will be different for each person to though [14:08] what are general linklist conversions? [14:08] <@WillyB> form 200 to 1000 or more [14:09] *** Joins: cheekymarie [14:09] <@WillyB> a lot depends on your selling techniques and sponsors [14:09] <@WillyB> hi ya cheekymarie :-) [14:09] <@Frank> methie, there's no right answer because there are many factors. Type of site, niche, type of traffic, your sales ability, etc... [14:09] wow thats still up there - so the main difference between linklist and tgp is linklist you can get more traffic? - sustained [14:09] Morning all :) [14:09] <@WillyB> did ya blind Steve already this morning? hehehe [14:09] hey cheekymarie [14:09] <@Frank> Hi Marie! [14:09] YeahI did :) [14:10] <@WillyB> its usually better quality, and you will continue getting traffic for quite a while [14:10] Hi Frank - wow what a sexy voice :) [14:10] thanks willieb [14:10] <@WillyB> hehehe marie :-)) [14:10] <@Frank> methie, yes in a way. You get consistant traffic with link list without submitting everyday, etc [14:10] <@Frank> LOL, Marie [14:10] lol [14:10] is this marie from gopostal? [14:11] No Marie from Marie's Place [14:11] <@Frank> methie, what 25 cents per click did you mean? [14:11] <@WillyB> Last I knew.. Green guy for instance checks sites to see if they have been changed after being listed for 6 monthes methie.... [14:11] haha -oops - sorry [14:11] <@WillyB> if they have not changed they get dropped fromt he list [14:11] :) [14:11] *** Joins: tyler [14:11] * HippyDude smiles at cheekymarie [14:11] <@WillyB> hello tyler [14:11] <@WillyB> wb [14:11] Hi HippyDude [14:11] hi WillyB, thanks [14:11] willyB - so general life for freesite is 6 months of consistent traffic? [14:11] *** Joins: TDavid [14:11] Frank - for a goto paid listing [14:11] <@WillyB> then you can get them relisted [14:12] <@WillyB> pretty much yes methie [14:12] <@WillyB> hello TDavid :-) [14:12] willyB - do you have to reupdate to get relisted? [14:12] good afternoon everyone :) [14:12] Hi TDavid [14:12] <@Frank> that's what I thought methie, generally you don't wanna do paid ads for free sites. not cost efficient [14:12] <@Frank> Hi TDavid! [14:12] <@WillyB> no.. it's a good idea to freashen it up a bit though for the new inflow of traffic and to make sure the have not changed [14:12] Frank - sounds logical to me [14:13] willyB - make sure the ? has not changed? [14:13] <@WillyB> rules ... sorry [14:13] heh - cool thanks [14:13] <@WillyB> was typeing alot slower than I was thinking LOL [14:13] <@Frank> I type really slow, lol [14:14] so theoretically speaking if I built a site a day for the next year - after 6 months Id have to start submitting 2 a day - 1 new and one resub? [14:14] <@WillyB> I can get up there, but then I start making typos and stuff hehehe [14:14] *** Joins: actorguy [14:14] <@Frank> Soooo, does everyone have goals? [14:14] My goal is to make tons of money [14:14] :) [14:14] Frank - my goal is to make a sale a day(1 signup) with freesites [14:14] :-) [14:15] <@WillyB> yes.. as far as link o rama goes.. if you have not changed the files date (ie, updated it) [14:15] <@WillyB> hello actorguy :) [14:15] learn how to sell one sponsor...get that to a respectable income and move on to the next [14:15] willyb - does link-o-rama take more that 1 submission per day from the same person? [14:15] <@WillyB> I will brb.. I need water! [14:15] Hey guys! [14:15] <@Frank> Hi actorguy! [14:15] <@WillyB> no methie [14:15] hey actorguy [14:15] methie....nope [14:15] Hey actorguy [14:15] Hi actorguys [14:15] hey TDavid [14:15] Heys all around [14:16] <@Frank> methie, NO 1 site per day [14:16] ok - so after 6 months - what do you do - not make a site a day? [14:16] Its hard for a newbie to set goals without knowing what's realistic.Anyone have some ideas or suggestions about what would be realistic goals for newbies? [14:16] Slugo: great question - I offer wonder that [14:16] personally...1 good site a day. [14:16] I try to make one new site a day, AVS, Free whatever [14:16] making sure everything is alright..metas..text....yada yada [14:16] but after 6 months - your gonna start losing the old sites - is there anyway to keep them alive? [14:17] methie:what kind of goals have you been considering? [14:17] otherwise youre always using 6 months of traffic [14:17] you could remake it but I like the theory of build and forget [14:17] slugo: 1 signup a day of freesites [14:17] <@Frank> Slugo, good question. Here's a though. Every person has there own needs, money wise etc... So personally I say figure out a amount you want to achieve first [14:17] actorguy - well Im just thinking that after 6 months - stop building and just resubmit? [14:18] *** Disconnected [14:18] *** Topic is 'The Newbie Chat - Topic Today: Making Goals --- Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - WebCreators Only' [14:18] checkymarie: other work?...what type of work? [14:18] *** Joins: HippyDude [14:19] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +o WillyB [14:19] I want to be able to give up my full time job one day and live off what I earn.. [14:19] hehehehe - :) [14:19] personally I think at first 1 signup a week is a good goal ... then go to 1 per day. Just my 2 1/2 cents :) [14:19] SirMoby: - any sort of timeframe that I should be able to accomplish this in? [14:19] *** Quits: Kre8t0r (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] go to www.mariesplace.net then you can see what I di [14:19] TDavid: youre right - chop the goal down to size [14:19] do not di [14:19] checkymarie: wil do - thanks [14:19] *** Joins: nola [14:19] if something seems unattainable you get frustrated ... that's the way i do with goals anyway [14:20] cheeky that is [14:20] I took a different approach.I created Premium AVS sites.Started getting at least 1 sign up a day after about 1 week of promoting it. [14:20] <@Frank> Yea WillyB. That's kinda how I started. First just to make a sale, lol Then I made the goal for 1 a week, then 1 a day, and so on [14:20] SirMoby - how many places list you? [14:20] Sir moby.....your sites look great btw [14:20] Suppose someone built and submitted one tgp per day.And suppose they were just ok, not great, not terrible ...just ok, because its a beginner.When and how much money could this newbie realistically expect to see? [14:20] actorguy - thanks [14:20] <@WillyB> yes that was my first goal Frank.. I got a sale! [14:20] <@WillyB> hello nola [14:20] *** Joins: Kre8t0r [14:21] if that one tgp was thehun and they didn't know how to filter traffic, I'm thinking they get a bill instead of make money lolol [14:21] <@WillyB> wb K [14:21] damnit! [14:21] afternoon all [14:21] I can't speak for everyone but DrewKole claims to get at least 2 a day from tgp traffic [14:21] He's got it down pretty well though [14:21] <@WillyB> very true TD [14:21] i know people that make a good living off tgp [14:21] I get beat up on tgp traffic. [14:21] <@Frank> Slugo, personally I don't do tgp because I don' like the odds, lol but folks do make good on them if you get pro at it. If you don't make sales you loose your ass [14:21] I guess its a good thing the hun turned down my one attempt at a tgp [14:21] Well - Imma try one site a day to like 20 linklists - do you think ill see 1 signup a week [14:22] we have had a few signups from tgp2 stuff but we were very focused on what we were promoting [14:22] lol [14:22] <@WillyB> ok.. so when you first start out.. you set a goal to get 1 signup per week, while building 1 site a day.. is that the general concensous? [14:22] methie - with the site layout that I saw before and a few tweeks, I would say YES [14:22] tgp2 has great ratios from what i hear [14:22] willyB - yes - one sites a day tring to get 1 signup a week [14:22] Steve pushes the surfers to our paysite [14:22] I had a question about content I found :I was offered content for a price that seems too cheap to be legit, so it probably isn't, but I figured I'd ask anyhow. They asy Photos are from newsgroup postings of the year of 1996 and is filtered to remove any copyrighted photos or SPAM. [14:23] SirMoby: and how many places do I need to submit to [14:23] that tgp2 thing sounds very interesting, i hope it catches on [14:23] nola.......i would pass..overused wont get u listed [14:23] <@WillyB> that sounds reasonable to me... but the one site a day is hard for new webmasters? [14:23] <@Frank> nola, I saw that, don't buy it, lol [14:23] or at least get listed on [14:23] avoid that nola [14:23] hehe [14:23] methie - as many as you can stand at first :)) [14:23] that's what I figured but always ask [14:23] SirMoby:..hehe - thats a fair amount [14:23] methie - I list at I think 25 [14:24] *** Joins: Security_man [14:24] <@WillyB> hello Security_man [14:24] 3 of those are gallery pages though [14:24] <@Frank> If they can't provide you with the right documents, it's NOT their content to sell [14:24] i think too many people rush their sites to get quantity of sites.When i check submits..I laugh at how they think they will sell [14:24] OK for that 1 elusive signup a week - howmany raws are we talking - 200 800 1000? [14:24] WillyB I agree cause a lot of newbies are doing other work too - using templates may work, but I think the time thing is against them.. [14:24] thank gawd i got here in time :) [14:24] <@WillyB> same here marie [14:24] But then gain if you use templates all the time, you don't get listed [14:24] methie - it depends on the sponsor. [14:24] <@WillyB> I can't build one site a day here without using a script I made [14:24] hey security_man [14:25] I have some sites that I can sell 1:200 and others that take 1:1000 [14:25] hey methie [14:25] That kind of sucks for me because I buy the content and build the site [14:25] hello security [14:25] <@WillyB> So.. one site a day is NOT reasonable to start.. but a goal to shoot for [14:25] script ? hey I will have to talk to you a bit later :) [14:25] *** Joins: Barbie [14:25] SirMoby: wow - 25 linklists - I though 5 or 6 was a lot :) [14:25] <@Frank> methie, depends on many factors, the tighter the niche the better the conversions usually so less traffic needed, etc... [14:25] what script do you use willyB? [14:25] if you have enough templates its just like makin them by hand every time [14:25] Frank - tighter niche - you mean more specific? [14:25] methie - send me an email and give you my list sirmoby@freekittie.com [14:26] Yes, well I plan to do that - in fact took my lappy to bed last night lol working on sites in bed, now that is a worry lol [14:26] <@WillyB> hello Barbie [14:26] lol [14:26] SirMoby - awesome ;-) [14:26] hey Barbie [14:26] heh [14:26] i need a lappy just for that marie [14:26] i have started dreaming in html LOL [14:26] <@WillyB> hehehe cheekymarie ;) [14:26] hehehe [14:26] Hi Barbie [14:26] Morning Barbie [14:26] yeah I've been superceded by a lapotop :) [14:26] best ideas come at 4am [14:26] Hello :) im looking for crawdad thought any one here may have seen him ? [14:26] <@WillyB> ouch steve~! [14:26] I don't even have a desktop, I do to all on a laptop [14:26] no - he was fast asleep [14:27] bummer [14:27] hehehe [14:27] Barbie we have been looking for crawdad too [14:27] Crawdad has been a mystery Barbie [14:27] <@Frank> methie, things like amateur, teen, and such are saturated markets, yet niches say like peeing or something usually convert better [14:27] cheekymarie - i also do it all from a laptop :-) [14:27] No Barbie [14:27] I use a lappy and a desk top lol [14:27] how about 3 sites a week as reasonable? That's 152 sites per year. That won't break even a part-timer. out of those 152 let's say you average 50 hits a day, that's 7600 hits a day at the end of 1 year. You ought to be able to do 1:750 = $7500/month1:1500 = $3750/month 1:3000 = $1875/month .... this gives realistic numbers to folks yet assumes those type of conversions and that kind of traffic [14:27] although _ have 2 desktops too :-/ sad really [14:27] didnt crawdad post to the newbie board yesterday? [14:27] <@Frank> Barbie, I tried to call him twice last night as well, no go? [14:28] Wow - i hope he is ok :) thank every one :) i have to go now :) have a nice day ;) [14:28] I've found that I convert best on transexual. I built one site just to to see how it would go, and it ended up giving me a sales ratio of 1:47 [14:28] yeah it is sad - methie [14:28] <@Frank> ok Barbie [14:28] heh [14:28] DAMN nola - that rocks [14:28] <@WillyB> Yes TDavid! That is broken down quite well!! [14:28] tthanks bye bye [14:28] *** Quits: Barbie (QUIT: User exited) [14:28] TDavid: well at 7600 hits a day - 50 per site - thats assuning you stay listed for a year on those sites? [14:29] Frank...just tried him......machine [14:29] TDavid - 3 sites a week sounds good - I am sure that is a realistic goal...and then you cab build on that too :) [14:29] I think the key to the low ratio is that I only funnel AVS traffic to that one, so the traffic is low, but I know they are willing to pull out the card [14:29] i have noticed that once the linkllists drop ya then your click thrus stay the same with se hits [14:29] can not cab sorry too early in the am [14:29] I think 3 sites a week......sites that are set to sell....is totally doable [14:29] <@Frank> yea, CrawDad is MIA, dunno? [14:29] low traffic and high ratios means better profit [14:29] Frank..not good [14:30] <@WillyB> you will get better as time goes by and then can startusing what you built as templates [14:30] <@WillyB> you will still get listed because you dont' build the same thing over and over agian [14:30] <@Frank> Everyone can only do what they can do based on how much time you have. Set something that is "realistic" for you and work from there. As long as you do it and move forward it builds up. [14:30] I am starting with the slow and steady wins the race, right now I am not building any more as I need to revamp sites for SE traffic and get them listed on the better lists [14:30] * @WillyB can hear TDavids calculator humming ! [14:30] lol [14:30] When ever I make a site, I design it with at least 3 pages, one with vertical adds, one with horizontal and one for the gallery sites [14:30] heh [14:31] how many times should you use a template if you had one? [14:31] frank is right, have a plan, have goals [14:31] before you change it to another one [14:31] I usualy go about 2 weeks with the same template [14:31] and know the numbers - it's the law of the game [14:31] <@WillyB> you will not do very well at all if you do not set goals [14:31] I haven't used a template yet - all are freshly made so it takes longer [14:31] Yep I've seen those big yellow stars for a while but they were missing yesterday :) [14:31] <@Frank> Marie, I'd say 10 maybe more, depends on how long it has been since you submitted them [14:31] templates rock - as long as you dont use them too long :) [14:32] Ooops, may time to get rid of those yellow stars [14:32] and if you are converting at 1:10,000 then you better get really cheap bandwith lol [14:32] do most people think that 1 freesite will generate 50 hits a day (to sponsor) - at an average of like 20 linklists - thats like 2 hits a day per linklist [14:32] I don't actually keep a template I just grab one of my previous sites then use it as a template [14:32] <@Frank> marie - me either I do most everything from scratch [14:32] Ok so you could say use them 5 times, change it, change it, change it and then start using the same one over [14:32] ditto [14:32] <@WillyB> that's how I do it mostly Marie.. but the script I have makes that easier as it puts all the links to the pages or jpg's so all I have to do is layout the main pages of the sites.. takes a lot less time and I don't get templatelly looking sites out of it either [14:32] I like mine to be different [14:32] When I create a template I try to make look like it ain't a tempalte [14:33] i like willyB's approach. Use scripting to help automate the process, yet a human being tweaks ultimately [14:33] *** Quits: nola (QUIT: User exited) [14:33] does the average linklist send a freesite 2 hist a day? [14:33] <@WillyB> you can SirMoby.. but after yo submit 10 or more sites using it, it may be caught, so to speak [14:33] *** Joins: nola [14:33] <@WillyB> wb nola [14:33] hmm - methie needs a script :) [14:34] <@Frank> methie, I believe if you make a decent site and can get a consistant 200 hits a day to it it will usually always give you 1 sale a month. 30 of these would be 30 a month or 1 per day. [14:34] That's why I change up every 2 errks or so [14:34] oops [14:34] <@WillyB> thanks td :) [14:34] weeks [14:34] if i was going to a bunch of free sites, I'd write a script to do exactly that. Generate "possibilities" out of a pool of pictures. Then I go through and tweak from the interface and have it save to directory [14:34] er going to "do" that is [14:34] I think I'm doing 9 sites per template now. [14:34] 3 for one niche, 3 for another, 3 for another. [14:34] thats probably a good rule of thumb sirmoby [14:34] <@WillyB> You can all come to scriptschool and at the learning center where TDavid has a FREE php course,.. from which I learned to write the script I use right now [14:35] ahh - ok so when is this one being run? [14:35] is it worth the headache willyb [14:35] <@WillyB> that is a good way to do it SirMoby.. that way it does not get over used at all [14:35] Frank - so at 200 hits a day - are thos sponsor hits - cause rigfht now im at 200 page impressions a day on my main page - but its only listed on one list-tommys [14:35] security man, ask yourself how much time you spend "prepping" a page for a site you are building? [14:35] anything is worth the headache if you want to succeed :) [14:35] methie - only 200 hits from Tommy? [14:35] a machine could replace that prep time and you spend your time -- market tweaking the pages :)) [14:36] willyb..that script is a great idea but programming leaves me in the dust [14:36] yeah but i have noticed that once i go off on a tangent i stop moving forward and start focasing on the tangent instead of producing more money making sites LOL [14:36] *** Quits: Frank (Connection reset by peer) [14:36] *** Joins: Flopster [14:36] I found that tommie is dependent on category, some do better than others, its not a great place for big tits but great for amateurs [14:36] SirMoby - page impressions on my main page - about 3 uniques a day [14:37] Afternon [14:37] well anything that automates stuff has to be good - we just worked out how to get fireworks to batch process our images and that has cut our workload by more than half [14:37] actorguy, scripting is nothing more than a logical process which I bet if you tracked what you did, you'd find you were already doing :) [14:37] I was getting 200 hits a minute from Tommy one weekend [14:37] <@WillyB> yes Security_man for me it is... All I have to do is punch in keywords and click on build.. then it generates the site, then I format it as it just gives me a line of thumgnails down the page.. I have to put those into tables.. but I dont' have to link anything.. all the links and img src's work [14:37] <@WillyB> that is true TDavid.. just a flowing process.. like an assembly line [14:38] one program: Batchthumbs, saves me hours [14:38] wow - that would be nice - i wonder how boodrows chops are in php [14:38] I wonder if such a prep tool would be of use to webmasters? Not a site builder, just a site "prepper" ... what do you folks think? [14:38] TDavid....you are probably right.But if it is an actual program that needs codes..yada yada.....I am done [14:38] OH YEAH TDavid! [14:38] WillyB, I just start using SSI and the ability to search and replace multiple pages from Home Site. I can build a free site in under 20 minutes now complete with key words and links to other galleries. [14:38] I know a little php - and it absolutely rules - I love that language - from a non programmer - its the best [14:38] As long as I have the graphics for my own banners [14:38] just put the full size JPEGs in a folder make the thumbs the size you want and it makes a simple html page, add advertising and alt and meta, done. [14:39] <@WillyB> that would be great TDavid :) [14:39] <@WillyB> I'll have to show you waht I have and ideas on making it better ;) [14:39] do it do it do it :) [14:39] yep TDavid - we like the sound of it [14:39] Tdavid I think it would be wonderful... [14:39] sweet [14:39] TDavid, I would jump on a site prepper [14:39] *** Quits: nola) (Connection reset by peer) [14:39] Frank - does 3 uniques a day from 200 impressions - for 1 freesite on 1 linklist sound right - it almost sounds chinese to me :) [14:40] im learning a new language [14:40] TDavid, think tempaltes - you've seen what cab done with templates and little thought :)) [14:40] <@WillyB> When should you Review your goals to see if they are being met now? that's the next question! [14:40] *** Joins: nola [14:40] <@WillyB> 3 months? [14:40] <@WillyB> 6 months? [14:40] * TDavid problem is he has more ideas than time [14:40] only three uniques methie with 200 impressions? [14:41] <@WillyB> lololol TDavid!!!! [14:41] <@WillyB> Are we distant relatives TD? [14:41] I have seen a lot of people say that they are able to track which links produce the best sign-ups and I have seen something about adding some identifier to the url that includes the sponsor code - can that be done with all sponsor codes? [14:41] Security_man yes - 200 pageviews - 3 clicks on my banners [14:41] juststeve..yes [14:41] <@WillyB> yes steve [14:41] actorguy - it can? [14:41] <@WillyB> I like phpadsnew.. but that is only one way to do it [14:41] oh okay i thought you were saying that you had 200 clicks but only 3 uniques to that sponsor LOL [14:42] thanks guys - didn't want to try it in case it stuffed my referrer codes [14:42] <@WillyB> TD has a script that will track clicks as well [14:42] Security_man - heh - I wish - but does 3:200 sound right - clicks to impressions [14:42] methie...I use a cgi code to see what text is causing click throughs [14:42] phpads is the most configurable one i've seen yet [14:42] <@WillyB> you should ask you sponsors to check out a page you are tracking with that method steve.. just incase [14:42] so if I listedon 20 linklists id have 3*20 maybe :-/ [14:42] actually my host has realy shitty stats so i have no clue on pageviews :( [14:43] one thing about tracking clicks is make sure you check the TOS, some sponsors will get sidewise if you don't have permission [14:43] <@WillyB> you dont' want to be owed 2 or 3 grand and then have them say you were not sending with the right code [14:43] especially pay per click sponsors [14:43] *** Joins: Rowdy [14:43] yup [14:43] ROWDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:43] hi rowdy :) [14:43] <@WillyB> hey Rowdy! [14:43] Hiya all... just got back from a mini canoe trip :) [14:43] thanks WillyB - we will have to check that one out [14:43] hiya rowdy [14:43] <@WillyB> how's it hangin [14:43] hello rowdy [14:43] i actually track the text on my site that send the surfer to a fpa [14:43] ok so it works with some sponsors and not with others [14:43] sore as hell now....lol [14:43] *** Joins: Frank [14:43] how do you do that actorguy? [14:43] Hi Rowdy :) [14:44] acrorguy - how do you do that? [14:44] damn, power went off, lol [14:44] <@WillyB> TDavid, what is that program you have that tracks code.. text links.. banners etc? [14:44] <@WillyB> ouch Frandk [14:44] <@WillyB> wb back mon [14:44] it tracks any link, yes - it's called outclicks [14:44] wb Frank [14:44] one way to track traffic like that is to set up a seperate page for each phrase and test which works best [14:44] i know wence's company made a proggie that did that but we could never get it to work :( [14:44] i don't have a public version yet, but i'll talk to people about it privately if they call me on it [14:44] I know I missed a few question [14:44] * Kre8t0r is huntin that now [14:44] <@WillyB> ah, ok TD [14:45] ahhh [14:45] <@WillyB> didn't know that.. sorry :/ [14:45] so much for that :p [14:45] hehe [14:45] hey it's all good :) I've done some very good business privately! lol [14:45] hmmm [14:45] <@WillyB> That is another way too Rowdy.. plus that has the advantage of filtering the traffic too [14:45] You may get lots of calls TDavid [14:45] a lot of times it takes me months to get commercial scripts public because of all the BS I have to go through to get it up on the site, beta testing, etc [14:45] <@WillyB> I have sites where my banners go onsite to a fpa to qualify it before it goes out [14:46] i have started doing that as well :) [14:46] Not to change the subject, but are large meetings worth it (ie the ones in vegas or the like), or is it just on excuse to get drunk and lose money at the tables. [14:46] <@WillyB> I can relate to that TD.. sorta hehehe [14:46] if ya need a guinea pig for it.... [14:46] nola ... deals can be made at the big shows :) [14:46] <@WillyB> nola.. they are for the sponsors to show you what they have to offer [14:46] nola - i wondered the same thing till i went - go to one and its worth it :) [14:46] nola, any event is what you make of it really [14:46] i didnt have tables in MIami but yes on the booze [14:47] <@WillyB> they are great because you do get the chance to meet a lot of ppl [14:47] and it was well worth it [14:47] exactly willyb [14:47] what do you guys think of sending all your banner clicks to one page that redirects to a sponsor - so you can change the sponsor at any time for a bunch of sites - and you can track raws to see if sponsors are shaving? [14:47] networking would be a great experience too [14:47] got to pick the brains of some heavy hitters in the biz [14:47] yup [14:47] are any coming up soon, especially in new orleans so I wouldn't even have to travel [14:47] thats invaluable [14:47] <@WillyB> you may not get to talk to FM.. but you would get the chance to shake his hand and say hi [14:48] :) [14:48] i did - and it was like meeting god LOL [14:48] * HippyDude smiles at cheekymarie [14:48] LOL [14:48] <@WillyB> yep K.. in the hospitality suites.. they are good to network in :) [14:48] FM???? [14:48] <@WillyB> Fantasy Man [14:48] no doubt [14:48] <@WillyB> Cybererotica [14:48] are you guys going to denver? [14:48] nola - the shows are like anything else. You will get out of them what you put into them. If you go to get drunk and lose at the tables, that's pretty easy to do. If you go with some realistic goals (segway to this chat) you'll get a lot out of them :) [14:48] THE man [14:48] I live in denver so I guesIshould be there [14:48] methie, I'm not myself [14:48] <@WillyB> exactly TD [14:48] was pickin vegas lee's brain that was well worth the whole show [14:48] if you are anywhere near these AWE shows I'd strongly recommend going ... good stuff! :) [14:49] TDavid - thanks [14:49] <@WillyB> you live there and you are only Guessing methie????? [14:49] nod TD [14:49] AWE is much better for newbies [14:49] how do you find out about them and get reservations [14:49] lol willyb [14:49] hahah - I didnt know what Id so there - Im socially inept [14:49] small and easy to talk to prople [14:49] <@WillyB> that should be on Everyones Goals list.. Go to an AWE and/or a convention! [14:49] Heck yea if I LIVED in Denver I wouldn't miss it, no way. [14:49] people even [14:50] hell if you are anywhere near any webmasters, why not get together and have coffee once or twice a month and go over what you've tried and didn't try and how it did/didn't work.Breakfast clubs can be very effective for improving a business [14:50] But there hasn't been one here in Australia so that makes it a bit difficult to attend the AWE when we want to [14:50] <@WillyB> :(( [14:50] True TD [14:50] i wish there were more webmasters here in dallas so i could td [14:50] Frank , Willyzb - I better get on it :) [14:50] Anyone in DC? [14:50] willyB that is [14:50] Webmasters in Tasmania - well we have breakfast together every morning lol [14:50] <@WillyB> Lisa was trying to organize something down there Marie.. don't know if anythings come of it or not thought [14:50] have you done a search on profiles at the boards for dallas area, security man? [14:50] porndaddy is in texas i think [14:50] <@WillyB> though [14:50] <@WillyB> yep [14:51] i sometimes wonder if a webmaster matchmaker type program would be very beneficial for our businesses [14:51] no i hadent even thought about somthing like that [14:51] good idea TD [14:51] <@WillyB> that's a good idea too TD [14:51] Perhaps we had better talk with Lisa [14:51] thatsa great idea [14:51] * TDavid says shit, another idea! [14:51] tons of webmasters down here and most dont attend events [14:51] <@WillyB> rofl@!!!! [14:51] lol [14:51] the thing is tho that jsut because they are in texas doesnt mean they are anywhere close to me LOL [14:51] <@WillyB> another month extra you need now TD! [14:52] *** Joins: Tiamat [14:52] * Flopster you getting you self in deep TD lol [14:52] everything bigger in texas? [14:52] what do you guys think of sending all your banner clicks to one page that redirects to a sponsor - so you can change the sponsor at any time for a bunch of sites - and you can track raws to see if sponsors are shaving? [14:52] <@WillyB> hellol Tiamat [14:52] EVERYTHING :) [14:52] hi Tiamat [14:52] howdy [14:52] rowdy!! sup dude [14:52] * Kre8t0r registers webmastermatchmaker.com :p [14:52] hehehe [14:52] going to that url now LOL [14:52] methie, personally I don't see how you could effectively filter traffic that way [14:53] <@WillyB> that is one way to do it ... it is a good way to test out sponsors and ads methie [14:53] WillyB:earlier TDavid put up some goals that he thought would be reasonable for a newbie.If you were advising a newbie what would you tell them about what to do,a nd how long it would take, and when and how much money they could realsistically expect? [14:53] *** Joins: Paula_akaFetish1 [14:53] <@WillyB> you do have to filter it to that page methie [14:53] deep [14:53] good question slugo [14:53] Hi Paula [14:53] Greetings All [14:53] <@WillyB> so I wuold not send all traffic there [14:53] Hiya Marie [14:53] methie, not sure if that fits with keeping advertising similar to the free site [14:53] <@WillyB> but filter it to pages like that [14:54] Frank: well you just redirect it to your sponsor url - but that way all you teen traffic is going to your teen site which redirects to your teen sponsor - and just change the sponsir url and all thos hundresds of sites are all going to your new sponsor now [14:54] Hi Paula [14:54] Hiya Rowdy [14:54] oh hi fetish1 :) [14:54] hi paula :) [14:54] Nola: well youre right - youd have to keep text ptreey vague - but still niched just fodont mention sponsor names [14:55] Hiya SecurityMan :)Hello there TDavid! [14:55] need to know the termonoligy for your niche too [14:55] my typing is going donw the drain [14:55] Hey Tdavid [14:55] * Flopster If anybody lives in or around new england area want to get togeather over a couple beers contact me icq 65164275 [14:55] methie I'd setup a structure which allows quick search and replace through a script [14:55] <@WillyB> for the most part yes Slugo.. but still it depends on the webmaster on a personal level.. the generalities are way to general.. if you follow advice and find the right niche then I would agree with what tdavid says.. yes [14:55] man... I gotta get back into the groove.. seeing alot of old faces... heh [14:55] flopster!!! [14:55] IE. code goes here [14:55] I have to go later peeps [14:55] didnt see ya pop in [14:55] *** Parts: Flopster [14:55] cya [14:55] lol [14:55] TDavid: what do you mean - ? [14:55] methie, it's worth trying, I use many sponsors and many types of sites, filter pages etc..., so it wouldn't do for me personally [14:55] <@WillyB> you have to expect that like a car salesman.. some are just better at it than others [14:56] <@WillyB> they will convert better ratios than other car sales man with the same inventor [14:56] thats the mentality you need to a used car salesman [14:56] Frank: thanks - Im also a little hesitant - but it seems like you could direct a lolt of traffic to a fresh sponsor that way [14:56] I have to fly.Thanks for the chat(s) [14:56] hey frank i've been meaning to ask you - do you re use content or is it more use it once and throw it away? [14:56] thanks WillB and TDavid, and lots of great info from others - more than I could keep up with.Glad I logged the chat. [14:56] cya actorguy [14:57] cya actorguy :) [14:57] cya acrotguy - heh Ill message you on the click script :) [14:57] hehe [14:57] cya actorguy [14:57] cya actorguy [14:57] *** Quits: nola (Connection reset by peer) [14:57] no problem Methie...have a good day all [14:57] <@WillyB> The logs will be up on NetSurprise also.. for any folks who do not have this logged [14:57] *** Quits: actorguy (java@24.102.145.w896=) (QUIT: User exited) [14:57] I do reuse it in various ways, mix and match some, but some are a 1 time deal too. [14:57] I must say this chat is killer - I could do it all day long - like the messageboards on about 300 cups of coffee [14:57] damn.. isn't that just like me.. I missed the party [14:57] do you keep records of them for title 18 and what not, frank? [14:59] <@WillyB> rofl methie!!! [14:59] <@WillyB> my fingers are actually getting sore from typing so much! LOL [14:59] <@WillyB> I love it [14:59] *** Disconnected [15:00] *** Attempting to rejoin... 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