Session Start: Wed Aug 15 14:00:31 2001 [14:00] *** Now talking in #netsurprise [14:00] *** Topic is 'Newbie Chat - On NOW! ~ Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Webmasters Only' [14:00] *** Set by WillyB on Wed Aug 15 13:58:43 [14:00] -SurpriseBot- Welcome - Net Surprise IRC - thud.net channel #netsurprise [14:00] *** Quits: aragorn(Connection Closed) [14:00] <@Rowdy> There should be some more folks showing up soon [14:00] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +o WillyB [14:01] We'll im gonna be the annoying bastard that asks the first work related question...Is it possible for me to make a profit with a 4 cent click through program,Cause i've been breaking even and im not too sure i can make much money off it... [14:01] <@WillyB> yeah, it's just now 2 [14:01] cool [14:01] its 3 here [14:01] *** Joins: MadamZ [14:01] <@WillyB> hello MadamZ [14:01] <@Frank> Hi MadamZ [14:02] <@Rowdy> Jack ... different things work better for different folks but for the majority, raw clicks isn't the way they do it anymore.. but again... traffic sources and so forth can have a big effect on that as well [14:02] Hiya WillyB Frank Dutchess [14:02] <@Rowdy> Hi MadamZ [14:02] and Rowdy [14:02] <@WillyB> that [14:03] Thanks Rowdy [14:03] well, let me ask you this... [14:03] <@WillyB> that's the same way I find itas well Nick.. if you have sent 10,000 non converting clicks to a sponsor, you may be better off with the clickthru [14:03] <@WillyB> but it depends on the traffic [14:03] <@Rowdy> Best just to try different thing and see how it goes... and of course be ready to change things at anytime :) [14:03] If your convertion ratio is 1:600,would you be still turning a decent profit? [14:04] i see i see [14:04] is the subject traffic or conversion [14:04] <@WillyB> lol [14:04] What? [14:05] uhhh, little bit of both [14:05] <@WillyB> it's general at the moment MadamZ [14:05] ok thanks Nick WB [14:05] <@Frank> NicKHead, Many do well on worse than 1:600 depends on your expenses. Sometimes a person may need click thru until they learn how to sell, then go pay-per-signup. On average I think a per-click always works to the sponsors advantage. [14:05] *** Joins: msvictoria [14:05] <@WillyB> traffic always plays a role in what you are trying to accomplish [14:05] <@Rowdy> 1:600 at 40 a sign-up is what... .15 not badd :) [14:05] <@Rowdy> hi msvictoria [14:05] hiys msvic [14:05] i see [14:05] <@WillyB> hello msvictoria [14:05] thanks guys [14:06] *** Quits: msvictoria(QUIT: User exited) [14:06] ill stay with click-throughs till i get to learning how to sell. [14:06] *** Joins: nola [14:06] <@WillyB> hello nola [14:06] I'll experiment with a few sign up sites here and there to see if i can get em to work for me [14:06] <@Frank> Hi nola! [14:06] <@Rowdy> of course raw clicks can be a nice secondary or third advertiser of your operations.. used as another filter [14:06] hi nola [14:06] *** Joins: Boodrow ) [14:06] thanks, I think I will be mostly sitting back and listening [14:06] <@WillyB> hi ya Boodrow [14:06] <@Rowdy> Hi nola and boodrow [14:07] Hey guys! What's up? [14:07] Boodrow how are you man! [14:07] *** Joins: tia [14:07] Hey, MadamZ! [14:07] <@WillyB> hello tia! [14:07] <@Frank> Hi Boodrow [14:07] Still raining in tx. [14:07] hi guys! [14:07] <@Rowdy> general chat today while taking suggestions for the basis of future chats :) [14:07] ok rowdy, but i wouldnt use that till i started bringing in the real traffic, im still pretty weak on the traffic side, max 5000 a day, it sucks [14:07] hey Willy :) [14:07] Tia.. !! [14:07] Oh, hell no. It rained for one day, and it's back to hot as hell. [14:07] hi Tia [14:08] hi MadamZ and Nickhead [14:08] <@WillyB> we're just getting started Boodrow.. sorta General chat about newbie stuff.. sorta like a fast msg board LOL [14:08] lol still no rain in wa state.. ack drying up and gonna blow away [14:08] haha [14:08] <@Frank> NicKhead, 5,000 a day is cool. [14:08] really? [14:08] hey i have a unique situation.. the url is http://www.allsex-x.com/cindyM/index.htmlhow am i going to market this? [14:08] Yeah, we haven't rain in months, then suddenly monsoon(sp?)! [14:08] <@Rowdy> Jack... 5000 hits a day... say 1:1000 at 40$ a pop (example only) 200$ a day/1400$ a week ... not horrible income :) [14:08] thats if i make 2 sites and get em both accepted [14:08] <@Frank> Someone told me once it doesn't matter if you get 100 or 1000 clicks. Can you make money off what you have? [14:09] I am trying to use it as a news artical thinggy but need to get traffic to it [14:09] I don't think tgp will do and se traffic is way to slow... [14:09] Well, Frank, all I care about it using bandwidth! Profit be damned! =-) [14:09] i dont mean 5000 clicks to my sponsor Rowdy, i mean 5000 hits to my sites [14:10] <@Rowdy> ya... ya got to get those folks to click where ya want them to :) [14:10] i see [14:10] How about a website that's nothing but FPA's and popups? Yeah! [14:10] <@Rowdy> MadamZ ... if you release that page, I'd say the blurb about the message board isn't real good as we don't want surfers to come visit and learn all our little tricks :)) [14:10] haha [14:11] Getting traffic to a free site seems to be much easier than getting traffic to an AVS site, say cyberage. I have aslo noticed that the cyberage sponsored search engine does not seem to be the best at sending hits and it send nothing in the way of subscribers. So I guess the question is how to get the people who have yet to hit an AVS? [14:11] <@WillyB> MadamZ.. you should give you ads for it top billing on your pages [14:11] <@Frank> NicKHead, OK 5,000 hits a day - 10% = 500 hits to sponsor, that alotta sales per month. Then multiply that by many sites. [14:11] Rowdy, why do I feel like the iluminati all of a sudden? [14:11] <@WillyB> everyone of them if you are wanting to send them traffic like "NOW" h [14:11] <@Rowdy> ? [14:12] ok thanks [14:12] thanks frank [14:12] Secret Societies, secret tricks... bad joke. [14:12] <@Rowdy> lol [14:12] <@WillyB> you use free feeder sites nola, and submit those to the se's, then put your avs sites as prominant links and use as soft core pics on the free site as you can get away with] [14:12] hey nick what nich are you working with [14:12] <@Frank> nola, you put a few sample pics on a free site and lead them to the AVS for more. Just like you are your own sponsor. [14:12] <@Rowdy> nola .. that's where you filter your free site traffic to that doesn't buy from your sponsors the first time around [14:12] amateurs [14:13] amateur-pages is my sponsor [14:13] WillyB, that's exactly what we're going to do with 101Fetishes. [14:13] <@Rowdy> Boodrow... that project should do well for ya as it matures [14:13] BRB, checking the mail to see if i got my damn check yet [14:13] have you tryed to make like amature1 through amature10 sub sites all leading to your main sell page yet? [14:14] That's what we're hoping! =-) Specially with all the college kids fresh from summer with credit cards! [14:14] yes i have [14:14] any luck as of yet? [14:14] thanks, i figured it would be something like that - "click here to see the rest of the photoset (but more provocative language)" [14:14] no [14:14] <@WillyB> that's what you need to do to drive traffic.. you need to make them go where you want them to go [14:14] i quit that when my ratio was 1:1500 and went to click throughs [14:15] do you have all your meta, alt and keywords set up on each [14:15] yea [14:15] i havent submitted all to the se's [14:15] humm wondering if you are getting traffic from [14:15] sites look easy to navigate to us because we're used to them, but the surfer that you really want, the ones that are likely to sign up, aren't that good at navigating sites, so make it real real easy for them [14:15] that answers my question.. I understand that you will get much better conversion with SE traffic. [14:16] <@Frank> nola, I have no idea how many AVS you have, but you could even do a filter page with AVS site links on it and send all your traffic to it as well. There's many different ways. [14:16] yea but as of now i get a measly 3-5 hits from SE's, im not quite the best at working the SE's yet [14:16] *** Joins: Jurbi [14:16] Are there certain SE [14:17] 's that AOL users use? (sorry for the fragment) [14:17] <@Rowdy> Hi Jurbi [14:17] Ok there you go.. rowdy posted a list yesterday with Search Engine info on it check it out.. [14:17] <@Frank> Hi Jurbi [14:17] hi Rowdy :)) [14:17] hi Frank :)) [14:17] Well think it was yesterday... [14:17] uhhh i dont know [14:17] I heard from one webmaster that a majority of the AVS traffic came from the other AVS sites that were already visited, sort of a central hub concept, thanks frank, I think I may do something like that. I also wouldn't hurt to have for SE spiders. [14:17] <@WillyB> hello Jurbi [14:18] hi Willy B :)) [14:18] Use the search function and look for rowdys list [14:18] or even look under Rowdy for all his post.. [14:18] Would it be a bad idea to use your free sites to feed your AVS sites? [14:18] <@WillyB> Here is the Search Engine Zone: http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/searchenginezone/index.html [14:18] I saved it as a text file if anyone wants it [14:18] <@Frank> nola, yea, you have to think of good ways to self generate traffic. You can even put up some SE pages with your AVS links on them. [14:19] Hey thanks WillyB [14:19] <@Rowdy> RE: Helpful URL's updateMessage #9417 [14:19] that was a wonderful list Rowdy :) [14:19] Yeah, that rocks! [14:19] <@Frank> NicKHead, yea that's one of the main ways to feed AVS sites. [14:19] <@Rowdy> thanks tia... woulnd't be there if all the folks didn't share their url's :) [14:20] One thing for sure with SE you will need to be paitent and keep an eye on them.. [14:20] Is it better to feed your own AVS or another sponsor? [14:20] yes it takes time for the se hits to build up [14:20] <@Rowdy> both jack [14:20] <@Frank> True MadamZ, it takes much work and it's always best to try and get good with 1 SE too. [14:20] *** Hand Submitt*** To Search Engines [14:21] <@Frank> Yep [14:21] cool [14:21] <@Rowdy> although on the avs is better to use a sponsoer that you are not using on your free sites.. make it something different [14:21] Remembe, Jack, unless your traffic is going to the sponsor, traffic leaving your site is bad. Be the spider... be the spider.. [14:21] Reason.. autosubmitters will go to them but think of it like this if the se gets 2000000 submitts from one ip guess what it may just dump the whole list [14:22] i see boodrow [14:22] So do it by hand [14:22] <@WillyB> Here is the URL to Rowdys post in case any have problem locating it... [14:22] <@WillyB> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/thread.phtml?ra=va&t=1127 [14:22] i dont think i have the full grasp on what an AVS consists of [14:22] <@Rowdy> Exactly Boodrow :) [14:22] <@Rowdy> Jack.. check out some of the articles listed on that page as well [14:23] Nick look for an artical by LEthat is a nickshe has some good info on AVS if i rember right [14:23] ok ill definately check it out [14:23] there may be some in archive over at adultbuzz also.. not sure though... [14:24] cool cool [14:24] *** Quits: DUTCHESS (QUIT: User exited) [14:24] <@Frank> Remember, if you can't sell a sponsor yet, you probably won't sell a AVS either. But it will be good experience to get into. [14:24] <@Rowdy> http://adultnetsurprise.com/learning_center/niche/avsindex.html [14:24] am i ready to build one of these crazy things? [14:24] ok [14:25] Read Read build build..(tear it down) Read more Build more.. this is (*NOT*)a get rich quick biz anymore [14:25] Here's an offtopic question.. did Maqua fall off the face of the planet? Haven't seen him in awhile. [14:25] <@WillyB> very true MadamZ [14:25] im starting to learn that... [14:25] I was wondering the same thing, haven't seen him on icq either [14:25] <@Frank> Hummm, good question. Haven't seen him either. [14:25] <@WillyB> I have not seen maqua in a while [14:25] ditto on maqua.. [14:26] thnk he is hanging over at the pond but don't quote me on that [14:26] <@Rowdy> no idea [14:26] MadamZ said, "He's at the pond. Defintely!". I'll be sure to let everyone know. ;-) [14:27] <@WillyB> lol Boodrow! [14:27] OH Thanks a lot man [14:27] I havent seen Wence for awhile, he's a nice guy [14:27] see if i look at your sites anymore.. lol [14:27] My pleasure! [14:27] 14{15{ 14£15åügHīńg 14Ų15üt 14£15öüŠ 14}15} [14:27] lol [14:27] <@Frank> Yea, Wence has been MIA too, LOL [14:27] <@WillyB> rofl [14:27] <@Rowdy> Boodrow is evil [14:27] <@Rowdy> I like that :) [14:28] <@WillyB> lmao Rowdy! [14:28] hehe.. he's got what it takes all right :) [14:28] MadamZ picks up tia and throws her at Boodrow.. [14:28] <@WillyB> who would have guessed??? LOL [14:28] lol [14:28] *** Joins: MikeB [14:28] <@Rowdy> hi MikeB [14:28] <@WillyB> Hello MikeB :) [14:28] What can i say? I'm the Spawn of Satan. Can't help it... [14:28] Hi guys [14:28] <@Frank> Hiya MikeB [14:28] hey MikeB [14:28] Hiya MikeB nice waterfall man [14:29] I posted this over at the links board but haven't gotten any replies, so I guess I'll repost here to see if you guys have any idea : Just wondering, I know free hosted sites don't get put on most link lists, but does that include cyberage AVS sites that are hosted by cyberage? ie www.websexnetwork.com , www.sexycybergirls.com and so on? Does greenguy take AVS sites from these hosts? [14:29] <@WillyB> yeah.. I watched that clip quite a few times myself MadamZ [14:29] <@WillyB> Very nice Mike :) [14:29] <@Frank> nola, yes it usually does. But each LL can be different. [14:29] <@Rowdy> not sure nola .. but not all free hosts are banned either [14:29] I have one of those sites listed at Link-o-rama nola ....... [14:30] <@WillyB> I'm not sure about that nola.. I think GG will list them though [14:30] not sure nola [14:30] <@Rowdy> ok .. before I forget to get this ... any ideas for sujects of future shows anyone? [14:30] *** Joins: Maqua [14:30] <@Rowdy> subjects even [14:30] I sense the aroma ok koala [14:30] <@Rowdy> Hi Maqua [14:30] of.. lol [14:30] <@WillyB> Iwill list them on Adult Netsurprise as well [14:31] hi there Maqua darlin :) [14:31] <@WillyB> well .. speak of the devil and a long lost spirit! LOL [14:31] <@WillyB> Hello Maqua :) [14:31] <@Frank> Hey Maqua! [14:31] <@Rowdy> I guess it shoud say .. any ideas for subjects of future newbie chats [14:31] Hi Rowdy, Hi Tia, WillyB, Frank, and everyone else :)) [14:31] It Maqua [14:31] <@Frank> Been wondering where ya been, LOL [14:31] Wow! I guess your ears were burnin Maqua! [14:31] Hi Boodrow - somebody caught me on ICQ:) [14:32] Rowdy ...... Search Engines [14:32] <@Frank> LOL [14:32] Subjects... how to network with the bigger sites even though your new [14:32] Cool... I'd agree. I'd say search engines. [14:32] <@Rowdy> Jurbi .. can we narrow it a bit? it's only an hour chat...lol :)) [14:32] Hehehe:) [14:32] Keyword Density [14:33] meta tag techniques? [14:33] Hmmm planning:) [14:33] Subject; Cool tools that make your life easy. [14:33] umm [14:33] How to get laid in under 30 seconds... oh wait, wrong chat room. [14:33] avs??? [14:33] <@Rowdy> lol boodrow... figures you'd be the first..lol [14:33] <@WillyB> SE's are a big subject LOL [14:34] it only took me what a year to get a thumbnail maker.. lol [14:34] <@Frank> Maybe we can think on that,LOL cause every SE works differently. To actually do it right you need different pages and sites for different SE's. [14:34] <@Rowdy> good ideas.. keep them coming :0 [14:34] <@WillyB> I may be able to get a guest in here on the SE subject, still pending on that one :) [14:34] They are a subject that change on a daily basis Willy:) [14:34] <@Rowdy> :) [14:34] that'd be great Willy [14:34] <@WillyB> yes, they are Maqua hehehe [14:34] Outside information and new blood are always a plus [14:34] Excellent:) [14:35] Subject; how to understand bandwith and disc space [14:35] how to market your sites and make them profitable:) [14:35] <@Frank> Truthfully with all the newest SE changes and folks not really knowing where DMOZ is going I don't think many know what's going on right now LOL [14:35] what don't you understand about bandwidth and disc space MadamZ? [14:36] nola .... I found out about Cyberage free host by visiting sites on Greenguy's LL so I am pretty sure he allows them [14:36] <@WillyB> Boodrow... your tough and can take a few slaps.. all you have to do is stand outside the door of a busy bar and ask all the ladies coming out the door for sex :) [14:36] Reading your stats and understanding what they say [14:36] oh I do understand it is just a pitfall i had to overcome some time ago when the hun listed 3 sites at once!! omg [14:36] hahaha Willy [14:36] Hehehe - :)) [14:36] Good one Boodrow [14:37] oh.. hehehe.. we did that when we were new... shut our server right down [14:37] <@Frank> Hummm, I think sometimes I may think backwards. [14:37] That sounds like a great idea, Willy! I could use a good slap! =-) [14:37] See what i mean tia ouch... [14:37] i have never gotten listed on the Hun [14:37] he send good traffic? [14:37] yep, sometimes beaucoup hits aren't what they're cracked up to be, quality is the key [14:38] dont do it if you don't have lots of bandwidth it will suck your pockets dry [14:38] bout put me out of biz [14:38] <@WillyB> lol Boodrow! [14:38] yep, hear ya [14:38] <@Frank> I look at how big my site is, TOTAL, then I figure how much per "megabit" i pay, then figure a senario based on 70% and see if I can make money on it, LOL [14:38] <@WillyB> the Hun can definately tear a server up! [14:38] <@Rowdy> Frank... as long as it does make money... you';re doing it right...lol [14:39] Subject: Pitfalls, Storys and accounts of general mistakes made by newbies and how to avoid them [14:39] The Hun, PK and JJJ's all on the same day with a 100$ unlimited bandwidth host only to find out its unlimited if you use a maximum of 5 gig a month:)) - those were the days :)) [14:39] hehe.. yep they LIE! [14:39] Yeah Pitfalls :)) [14:39] Have to get back to work, thanks all. BTW of all the places I have looked around trying to learn things this newbie board has been the most helpful far and away. Just a pat on the back for all who put the time and effort in when they could be trying to make money for themselves. And boodrow, if its that bad just come down to new orleans, it really is soo easy that it sometimes you just sit back and laugh. Additionally, with bars open 24 hours, you can jus [14:39] <@Frank> I'm a stats freak. I like knowing how much every lil thing cost me, even every logo [14:39] I was up to 15gig before he emailed me:)) [14:39] bye :-)) [14:39] *** Quits: MikeB (QUIT: User exited) [14:39] <@Frank> see ya nola! [14:39] bye nola [14:40] Bye:) [14:40] <@Rowdy> c'ya nola and thanks for the kind words :) [14:40] by nola [14:40] <@WillyB> thanks for coming buy nola :) [14:40] <@WillyB> hope to see you more often around Netsurprise :) [14:40] hey when is the ANS birthday party happening again it should be close.. [14:40] <@Rowdy> Thanks for the suggestions all.. that gives us quite a few choices :) [14:40] *** Quits: nola (QUIT: User exited) [14:41] one mistake we made was having too many sponsors on our site, we sold nothing with it that way [14:41] allright folks, the damn bands here, gotta go practice [14:41] <@WillyB> we could set up the rest of the year in chat subjects with all this! hehehe [14:41] <@WillyB> cool :) [14:41] talk to ya all later [14:41] <@Frank> Very true tia. It's hard to say every sponsor is #1, LOL [14:41] <@Rowdy> later jack [14:41] <@WillyB> see ya NicKHeaD_Jack [14:41] see ya [14:41] I found when I had too many sponsors when I started I made a sale or two with each but never enough for the minimum payout:) [14:41] <@Frank> See NicKHead [14:41] by Nick [14:41] yep, the surfer gets lost through the cracks [14:41] *** Quits: NicKHeaD_Jack (QUIT: User exited) [14:42] Bye Nick:0 [14:42] :) [14:42] I was going to say goodbye to him after he left too Maqua .. lol [14:42] *** Joins: Ace [14:42] <@Frank> I have a few sponsors, but you can only push 1 on a site then provide alternatives [14:42] <@WillyB> hello Ace [14:42] sup willy [14:42] hey Ace [14:42] hiya Ace [14:42] sup tia [14:42] <@WillyB> that happens to me alot tia hehehe [14:42] <@Rowdy> hi Ace [14:43] Hi Ace [14:43] The band's here? Ahhh... I wish I was 18 again... with what I know now. =-) [14:43] lol hello all [14:43] Frank, I took some of your advice ..... thanks again .... seeing results already :))) [14:43] <@Frank> I only wanna be 18 if I know what I know now, LOL [14:43] <@Rowdy> Boodrow.. I'd be dangerious at 18 with my present knowledge .lol [14:43] I really believe you can't give too many choices, it confuses the surfer, especially a new surfer [14:43] <@WillyB> same here Boodrow! [14:43] Yes you would! lol [14:43] <@Frank> Cool Jurbi, good to hear [14:43] 18 and hanging out on this board he will be independtly wealthy by 21 [14:43] is their any audio? Or is it just chat? [14:44] tia, DAMN STRAIGHT! [14:44] <@WillyB> I agree with you tia.. you don't really want a confused surfer.. you want them to trust you so they buy your sponsor [14:44] <@Rowdy> just chat Ace [14:44] <@Frank> MadamZ, Depends on what your priorities are ,LOL [14:44] roger [14:44] Tell them that you're going to tell them, tell them, then tell them that you told them. [14:45] you got it Boodrow [14:45] <@Rowdy> yep! [14:45] <@WillyB> lol! yhep [14:45] Heck would rather get past this little 1-2 thousand a month and get it up to 40-50 then i can sell it all off [14:45] Hehehe - :)) [14:45] is that hits or dollars MadamZ?.. hehe [14:45] the islands are calling me [14:45] <@Frank> LOL [14:45] What then, MadamZ? [14:45] lol [14:45] <@WillyB> MadamZ, I'd just pay someone else to run it and move to the carribean! [14:45] I only promote 1 paysite per site. And when I build the site.. I don't think of it as a site, but more of a tour. [14:46] Island life [14:46] <@Frank> MadamZ, actually I have a retirement date set one day. [14:46] <@WillyB> yep, with Island Girls on them too! [14:46] I thought about that too, but I know that I'd get bored outta my mind. [14:46] same here Ace, then another site with the same niche and a different sponsor [14:46] or even amsterdam to meet up with the mods ya know.. yummy [14:46] <@Rowdy> I have a retirement goal anyhow [14:46] here is the start I use [14:46] warn page: no promo [14:46] <@WillyB> definately Madam [14:46] main page: Try to sell the fantasy of the niche [14:46] Me too, I plan to retire... sometime, somehow. [14:47] Ah subject; Making Goals.. short term and long term [14:47] <@WillyB> great points Ace [14:47] gallery1: a selling point of the paysite like Moives [14:47] gallery2: another selling point... like live shows [14:47] gallery3: try my last attempt at selling him [14:47] If he doesn't work [14:47] then I send him to a hub [14:47] if he doesn't sell there [14:48] *** Quits: Rowdy(Connection reset by peer) [14:48] I trade his ass for another surfer [14:48] good plan Ace [14:48] via a toplist [14:48] At that point, I try to use hypnosis. [14:48] This is my semi retirement business:))But hey I'm only 35:) [14:48] "Buy the porn... buy the porn....it's calling to you...." [14:48] you're just a baby Maqua :) [14:48] <@Frank> There ya go Maqua, sound good [14:49] <@WillyB> LOL Boodrow!!! [14:49] I left my job of 13 years to do this:))So I consider it a retirement seeing that the hours are mine and I can come and go as I wish - well somedays:)) [14:49] Baby?! He's ten years older than me. Am I sperm? [14:49] <@WillyB> very good plan Ace [14:49] hehe it werks 4 me [14:49] well.... I guess you are Boodrow.. hahaha [14:50] <@Frank> Maqua, yep the hours are mine for sure, all 16 of them I usually work, LOL [14:50] LOL! Damn tootin, Frank! [14:50] <@WillyB> well.. basically that's how you do it.. lead the surfer by the hand and make it easy for them to go where you wnat them to go [14:50] same here, full time, home all the time, it's a great job [14:50] Hehehe I agree Frank but it does feel better working for myself and not for the grindstone:) [14:50] boodrow ever heard of stem cell [14:50] Yep. Make sure that they go where you want them to go. [14:50] I don't beleve in wasting a surfer... even a freeloader is valuable [14:50] I'm not even a glint in my daddy's eye yet! [14:50] <@WillyB> same here.. I work in the spare bedroom, which happens to be the biggest one in the apt. :) hehehe [14:51] <@Frank> The bad thing i always hated about self-employment of any type is you never leave work. [14:51] lol [14:51] <@Frank> That's if you are at home that is [14:51] <@WillyB> that's why ya gotta love it Frank! [14:51] Oh my we do put in the hours with this biz [14:51] I like being at home all the time, I can be there with my kids [14:51] Hehehe - you are correct again Frank:)But I still like it better - it got me off the midnight shift :)) [14:51] OH! This brings up a good question! What do all of you self-employed people do for taxes and insurance? Maybe a goo chat topic. [14:51] <@WillyB> I have to be drug out of the house here hehehe [14:51] <@Frank> Yea, but looking at naked women ain't what it once was, LOL [14:52] good even [14:52] lmao I cry during tax's [14:52] Had to pay in 9,000 last year :/ [14:52] <@Frank> I look at $$$ now instead of T & A [14:52] <@WillyB> Rowdy will ICQ me and say.. You going to the lake with me today to go conoeing? Be here in 15 minutes" LOL [14:52] Take 1/2 for your bills, server and bandwith and you take your other 1/2 for the government:) [14:52] lol no joke [14:52] Just make sure you keep up with your tax write offs [14:53] it'll soften the blow [14:53] I heard Canandians pay 65% in taxes, eh? [14:53] <@Frank> Screw that LOL [14:53] I'd say I pay about 15% [14:53] <@WillyB> they don't have to pay dr.bills either and other stuff Boodrow, from what I've heard [14:53] *** Joins: Rowdy [14:53] <@WillyB> wb Rowdy [14:53] wb Rowdy :) [14:53] ty [14:53] *** WillyB sets mode: +o Rowdy [14:53] <@Frank> It's all about "deductions" [14:54] yup [14:54] Yeah, but I've also heard that the healtcare is ass nasty. [14:54] buy yourself a fast computer every year [14:54] got a 1.8ghz this year [14:54] What about health insurance? [14:54] <@Frank> LOL, I wonder if you can deduct a lap dance as research? [14:54] I had all my tax info on the old puter.. till it died.. and ate it all.. what a mess my accountant was not a happy camper.. [14:54] lmao [14:55] You can if you use a credit card! =-) [14:55] Yep we pay a lot Boodrow:) [14:55] yea I run everything thru my cc card [14:55] One good thing to do to save on taxes is to form a chapter s corp [14:55] Why res frank... it is on site Business research.. or is that one sit research [14:55] <@Frank> LOL [14:56] <@Frank> I live to far from strippers here so I haven't tried it yet, LOL [14:56] Yeah, Ace, Security & I though about doing that when we started. [14:56] Add in your travel getting to the strip club [14:56] <@Frank> There ya go, lol [14:57] well it saves your ass [14:57] in several palces [14:57] insurance is free [14:57] pay less in taxes [14:57] and that limited libility is the shit [14:57] Insurance is free for s corps?! I thought you had to have 50 employees or more? [14:57] Then hook up with one make some content and write the whole trip off and sell the content.. [14:57] no [14:58] Are the laws for s corps different from state to state? [14:58] yup [14:58] <@Frank> Thought about that for sure [14:58] haha [14:58] <@WillyB> I've heard that Deleware is the best place to incorperate.. know anything about that Ace? [14:58] if you ever grad to paysites, then you have no choice but to form one [14:58] well, kids are home, gotta find out about first day at school [14:58] anywehre that doesn't ahve state tax is good [14:59] <@Rowdy> first day tia? [14:59] I'll come to the next chat, this was fun :) [14:59] <@Frank> good to see ya tia! [14:59] yep, they start early here [14:59] <@Rowdy> lucky you :) Still got to wait a week here :) [14:59] they get out early too :) [14:59] Where are you tia? [14:59] have fun tia see ya [14:59] see you all later :) [14:59] <@Rowdy> c'ya tia [14:59] *** Quits: tia(QUIT: User exited) [14:59] <@Frank> k [14:59] cya tia [14:59] doh [15:00] rowdy is a poet and don't know it."cya tia" [15:00] <@WillyB> c ya tia [15:00] <@Rowdy> lol [15:00] *** 04,01[00,01Uptime Mirc04,01]0 Uptime scroller: Display Every 60 Min's [15:00] *** 04,01[00,01Uptime Mirc04,01]0 04,01[00,01Win98 Uptime04,01]00,01:09 3hrs 29mins 13secs [15:00] *** 04,01[00,01Uptime Mirc04,01]0 04,01[00,01Mirc Online04,01]00,01:09 1hr, Time Is 03:00 pm & 21sec(s) [15:00] <@WillyB> LOL MadamZ [15:00] <@WillyB> He wrote a pretty good poem in JH or HS [15:00] <@WillyB> something about dragons and beasts.. LOL [15:00] *** Retrieving #netsurprise info... [15:01] *** WillyB changes topic to 'Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Webmasters Only'