[03:03pm] *** Rowdy changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Welcome to Netsurprise 
Adult Webmaster chat! ~*\!/*~ Newbie Chat time - www.adultnetsurpris
e.com ~*\!/*~'
[03:03pm] <Rowdy> Today's Newbie Chat Topic will be "Sponsors - How 
do you pick them, use them and evaluate them" 
[03:03pm] <Rowdy> We'll begin here in a few minutes and let a few 
others arrive first
[03:03pm] <Hentaibee> I'm outta here.. lol. 
[03:04pm] <Hentaibee> subject is just to old for me..
[03:04pm] <Hentaibee> see ya
[03:04pm] <Rowdy> to old?
[03:04pm] <Bratt> sounds like a good topic to me
[03:04pm] <Bratt> i am in some need of understanding sponsors
[03:04pm] <Bratt> since topbucks is really sucking for me right now
[03:05pm] <beefcake> sorry had my head stuck in paperwork
[03:05pm] <Rowdy> hi beefcake
[03:05pm] <beefcake> hi rowdy
[03:07pm] <Rowdy> hmmm.. either a lot of late comers today or this 
topic does suck in many people's opinion.....
[03:07pm] <Rowdy> oh well :)
[03:07pm] <Bratt> it has been slow today
[03:07pm] <Bratt> kinda quiet
[03:07pm] <beefcake> lolI even missed the topic.. sorry.. been 
overworked these past few days.
[03:07pm] <Rowdy> Today's Newbie Chat Topic will be "Sponsors - How 
do you pick them, use them and evaluate them" 
[03:07pm] <beefcake> Stu is on her way shortly.
[03:07pm] <beefcake> hi Bratt
[03:08pm] <Bratt> hiya beefcake
[03:08pm] <Rowdy> OK, let's get this started :)
[03:08pm] <Bratt> okie!
[03:08pm] <Rowdy> "how do you pick them? .... there are a few 
different ways
[03:08pm] <beefcake> okie dokie
[03:09pm] <Rowdy> 1. Look through resource listings
[03:09pm] <Rowdy> 2. Check with others on who they use
[03:09pm] <Rowdy> 3. Surf sites and see what is out there so to speak
[03:09pm] <Rowdy> 4. Red your spam mail...lol
[03:09pm] <Rowdy> read even
[03:09pm] <beefcake> done all 3.I probably have too many on my list 
but use about a half dozen now if that.
[03:09pm] <Bratt> oh man, i have to READ my spam?
[03:09pm] <Bratt> lol
[03:10pm] <beefcake> lmao.. I hate porn spam.
[03:10pm] <Rowdy> I personally do read newsletters.. not spams though
[03:10pm] <Bratt> ya, i read the newsletters
[03:10pm] <beefcake> Iread my newsletters.. and if I don't have 
time when they come in I have a folder for them in my email so I'll 
get to them.
[03:10pm] <Rowdy> reading the newsletters from your sponsors if they 
have them is a good way to stay on top of any changes/additions to 
that program
[03:11pm] <Orbitalz> wow, I;'ve gotten better at making avs sites now
[03:11pm] <Orbitalz> much much better
[03:11pm] <Orbitalz> :)
[03:11pm] <beefcake> that's how I do my updates for a couple of 
things.. through the newsletter
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> So, do you use resource listings?
[03:11pm] <beefcake> hi orb.
[03:11pm] <Orbitalz> hey beef
[03:11pm] <Bratt> yes, when i need a particular niche, i look through 
resources to see what i can find
[03:11pm] <beefcake> I've been there too :-)I've been all over the 
place and asked around.
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> If so, do you just "take the written word" that it's 
a good sponsor or dfo you write the sponsor first with a few questions 
to see how their response time is and so forth?
[03:12pm] <security_man> im here im here!
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> hi security_man
[03:12pm] <freeadultcontent> i must admit i really do not use resource 
listings.
[03:12pm] <Bratt> ummm, i just see if they have the niche i am looking 
for, look over the site to see if i think someone would buy it, and 
then try it
[03:13pm] <beefcake> Only time I've written a 'sponsor' was to clarify 
a couple of things.
[03:13pm] <beefcake> hey sec_man
[03:13pm] <Bratt> i have in the past written to sponsors, gotten 
excellent response time and never made a sale....
[03:14pm] <security_man> howdy beefie :)
[03:14pm] <Rowdy> Well.. sales and response aren't a for sure thing 
but if the sponsor cares enough to respond in the first place, that is 
a plus for them in my book
[03:14pm] <Bratt> i agree
[03:14pm] <security_man> especially if you are on a partnership program 
with em
[03:14pm] <Bratt> i pretty much mostly go on talking with other ppl, 
see what they are using and how it is doing
[03:14pm] <Rowdy> plus.. is they respond to questions before you sign 
up, I think they are more apt to offer suggestions later on if you do 
have conversion problems
[03:14pm] <beefcake> I've written ce cash and got a great response :-) 
lol
[03:14pm] <security_man> rebills will be more likely if they have good 
customer service
[03:14pm] <beefcake> also wrote topbucks and they were pretty fast 
responding too
[03:15pm] <security_man> kissup :P
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> That guy over at CE tries pretty hard :)
[03:15pm] <Bratt> hehehe
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> lol
[03:15pm] * beefcake moi??? kiss up??? lol
[03:15pm] <Bratt> hey Chipmunk
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> hi Chipmunk
[03:15pm] <Chipmunk> Hiya Bratt***
[03:15pm] <beefcake> hi chipmunk.. how you feeling?
[03:15pm] <Chipmunk> Hiya Rowdy
[03:15pm] <Bratt> i only send silly questions to 'that guy' at CE
[03:15pm] <Bratt> lol
[03:15pm] <Chipmunk> Still sick :( But thanks
[03:15pm] <Chipmunk> lol
[03:15pm] <beefcake> geez
[03:15pm] <Bratt> things like i can't find this or that... rofl
[03:16pm] * beefcake I hear he's quite the handyman too!!!
[03:16pm] <Rowdy> :)
[03:16pm] <Bratt> i hear he works way too hard though
[03:16pm] <Bratt> =)
[03:17pm] <Rowdy> no such thing...lol
[03:17pm] <Bratt> but anywho... what i have been doing alot of lately 
is going on what other webmasters are saying
[03:17pm] <Bratt> as far as sponsors
[03:17pm] <Rowdy> ok.. next step.. how do you use your sponsors?
[03:17pm] <beefcake> $10 million lottery here tonight and it's tax free 
here in one lump sum.. I'll buy him a nice holiday.. lol
[03:17pm] <Rowdy> Do you advertise all sites and use all features? do 
you just use specific sites? Have you tried all features?
[03:18pm] <Bratt> hmmmm normally i just promote the niche i am using
[03:18pm] <beefcake> well since I'm still relatively new .. I'm still in 
the trying different features and such process
[03:18pm] <Bratt> although lately, i have been expanding
[03:18pm] <Bratt> using some consoles, middle pages, and fpa's
[03:18pm] <Bratt> i was always told that consoles and popups are a bad 
thing
[03:19pm] <Rowdy> hi plumcr8ze
[03:19pm] <Bratt> but lately i have been using one popup on some of my 
little stuff
[03:19pm] <beefcake> oh.. I tried the fpa thing.. was cool.. lol
[03:19pm] <beefcake> have used it 2 or 3 times now :-)
[03:19pm] <beefcake> hi plumcr8ze
[03:19pm] <Bratt> hey plumcr8ze, Isis175
[03:19pm] <beefcake> hi isis
[03:19pm] <Bratt> or not
[03:19pm] <Bratt> lol
[03:19pm] <Isis175> Hi you two ladies
[03:20pm] <Bratt> wb
[03:20pm] <Rowdy> ok.. I can understand people only advetising certain 
sites from their sponsors but I would highly recomend all extra 
features to at least just to review them and make sure you know what 
is available
[03:20pm] <security_man> hello plumcr8ze and Isis175
[03:20pm] <beefcake> stu is stuck.. she has to reboot
[03:20pm] <security_man> howdy blueskies
[03:20pm] <Bratt> hey blueskies
[03:20pm] <blueskies> hey sec man:)
[03:20pm] <blueskies> er ..
[03:20pm] *** blueskies is now known as doll
[03:20pm] <Rowdy> hi Isis175 and doll
[03:20pm] <security_man> howdy doll :)
[03:20pm] <Bratt> what do you mean in the way of 'extra features' 
Rowdy
[03:20pm] <Isis175> sec_man :)
[03:20pm] <beefcake> hi doll
[03:21pm] <Isis175> Rowdy and everyone
[03:21pm] <Bratt> such as hosted galleries, and stuff like that
[03:21pm] <doll> hi beefy, rowdy, bratt:D
[03:21pm] <beefcake> ohhhhhhhhh done the hosted thing too :-) I've 
been messing around a lot of places.. seeing what I like and what I 
can understand.. lol
[03:21pm] <Bratt> wb²
[03:21pm] <doll> what are we talking about?
[03:21pm] <plumcr8ze> damn DSL
[03:22pm] <Rowdy> Bratt... ok.. with CE Cash for example.. the adult 
links bookmark feature, the rotating gallery links... the tgp page 
generator.. the LL/TGP management tools, the matrix ad maker in the 
mag program and so forth :)
[03:22pm] <Rowdy> Today's Newbie Chat Topic will be "Sponsors - How 
do you pick them, use them and evaluate them" 
[03:22pm] <Bratt> for those just joining......Today's Newbie Chat 
Topic will be "Sponsors - How do you pick them, use them and 
evaluate them" 
[03:22pm] <Rowdy> presently on "how do you use your sponsor"
[03:22pm] <Bratt> i had to hit enter, had it all typed...rofl
[03:22pm] <Bratt> i DO use the matrix ad thing
[03:22pm] <Bratt> i like that
[03:22pm] <beefcake> haven't done them all Rowdy but have done the 
LL, the matrix ad maker...
[03:23pm] <doll> matrix ad maker?
[03:23pm] <Bratt> i haven't explored the adult links bookmark feature 
yet, but i do use the rotating gallery link
[03:23pm] <Bratt> i haven't figured out the ll thing yet
[03:23pm] <Rowdy> Cool... the big thing is to at least look at your 
sponsor's "extra" features so if there is something there you might 
benefit from, you don't miss it :)
[03:24pm] <Rowdy> Many people sign up to use one site, grab their 
code, check their stats occasionally but never go further
[03:24pm] <Bratt> i am guilty of that in some cases
[03:24pm] <Bratt> =(
[03:25pm] <beefcake> I try and peek at a minimum..if rushed I'll go 
back later in the day or the next day and check it out further.
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> The only one that really gets hurt from that is the 
webmaster.... you never want to miss out on something that for you 
personally, might really increase sales/traffic or whatever
[03:26pm] <Bratt> i have been looking at more things lately... i have to 
admit that... 
[03:26pm] <Rowdy> Third pioint for today's topic... "how do you 
evaluate your sponsors?"
[03:27pm] <Rowdy> is it just sales... is it anything service related such 
as guranteed payments or what....
[03:27pm] <Rowdy> load times .... tour looks... many things here can 
be used in the equation
[03:28pm] <Bratt> one thing i look at is my stats...
[03:28pm] <beefcake> I have a real issue with a sponsor that gets you 
stuck in their ads..where a surfer cannot hit the back button to get 
back to your site.
[03:28pm] <Rowdy> hi Stuveltje
[03:28pm] <Bratt> there is one sponsor i used to use, i would get a lot 
of hits to the main page, and half to the second page and 0 to the 
join page..
[03:28pm] <beefcake> hi stuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[03:28pm] <Isis175> Stu, luv
[03:28pm] <Bratt> i saw that as a problem
[03:28pm] <Stuveltje> ackkkkk i dont see you there is a part of icq 
stuck at my screen fuck
[03:29pm] <Bratt> hey Stuveltje
[03:29pm] <Bratt> i do look at load times, and how the tour looks
[03:29pm] * Stuveltje aaaaahhhhhhh there you all, hya isis, beef, 
bratt, rowdy
[03:30pm] <Bratt> try to put myself in the surfers shoes
[03:30pm] * beefcake senile
[03:30pm] <security_man> howdy stu
[03:30pm] <Stuveltje> nop then i have to pull my CC
[03:30pm] * Stuveltje heee sec_man
[03:30pm] <Bratt> like,... would I buy a membership to this...
[03:30pm] <Bratt> that sort of thing
[03:30pm] <Rowdy> I agree that stats are a big part of it.... as is 
regularity .. by this I mean the sales for myself must remain 
somewhat constant. There will always be dips and so forth.. but I had 
one sponsor for example that one period would have 9 sales and the 
next 4 would be 1 or 0 and the 10 or 12 ... something did not seem 
right
[03:30pm] <Stuveltje> well i have that with ars
[03:31pm] <beefcake> i don't like ars
[03:31pm] <Bratt> i went through that recently myself Rowdy
[03:31pm] <Bratt> went from 1:30 to 1:658 in two pay periods
[03:31pm] <Bratt> and traffic was remaining the same
[03:31pm] <Stuveltje> hehehe bratt alot have that
[03:31pm] <Rowdy> Correct.. the trend must stay within respectable 
limits for the most part barring undorseen events
[03:31pm] <Rowdy> unforseen that is
[03:32pm] <Bratt> ok, so here is my question... on an instance such as 
what i just said... .how long do you wait before changing the sponsor 
out?
[03:32pm] <Stuveltje> lol me flashcash from 1.28 to never again a sale
[03:32pm] <security_man> i have a sponsor right now that is on 
recurring with me - none of my accounts have rebilled this month - 
some had been rebilled nine times but this month all of em cancelled - 
i think that smells fishy
[03:33pm] <Bratt> how long do you give a sponsor before you stop using 
them and change them to something else in this case?
[03:33pm] <Rowdy> How long.. that depends on your own perspective as 
well as the traffic levels involved. I usually run 5k to 10k to a sponsor 
for a very loose based estimate of what I should be able to expect
[03:33pm] <security_man> they also just changed their webmaster area 
so im hopeing its some odd glitch
[03:33pm] <tia> hi guys :)
[03:33pm] <freeadultcontent> 30k in uniques minimum.
[03:33pm] * Stuveltje eek sec_man
[03:33pm] * Stuveltje hya tia
[03:33pm] <Rowdy> hi tia
[03:33pm] <freeadultcontent> what i use when testing
[03:33pm] <beefcake> hi tia.. hi fre
[03:33pm] <Stuveltje> if i can i change the sponsor in pay per click 
[03:34pm] <Stuveltje> he fre
[03:34pm] <Stuveltje> lol
[03:34pm] <Rowdy> If the level seems unacceptable to you, change out 
to another sponsor that is simliar and judge things once you get input 
from that sponsor
[03:34pm] <Stuveltje> did with flashcash pay per click
[03:34pm] <Isis175> hey tia and fac
[03:35pm] <Stuveltje> but sponsors are strange
[03:35pm] <beefcake> damn.. brb
[03:35pm] <Bratt> i know it is hard sometimes to change sponsors, when 
you are using sponsor content also
[03:35pm] <Stuveltje> did i sell the ths one good , next month they sell 
bad and i sell an other good
[03:35pm] <Rowdy> Then of course remember to have all your numbers 
in as well before assuming nothing has changed... just went thru this 
with one webmaster who kept telling me his sales were down 50% but 
his traffic was the same. Upon review, we found out his outgoing 
traffic number was indeed the same but the amount of unique hits 
within that number had dropped to almost half.. therefore justifying 
the change in his sales level as well.
[03:36pm] <beefcake> back
[03:36pm] <Stuveltje> wwwwwwwbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
[03:36pm] <Bratt> i still dont' know how to read my stats that well 
though =(
[03:37pm] * Stuveltje lol
[03:37pm] * beefcake still working.. hahahahamy deadline is in an hour 
and a half
[03:37pm] <Bratt> maybe we need to do a chat on stats soemtime....
[03:37pm] <tia> ask me Bratt.. you need to know your stats like the 
back of your hand.. I'll help you
[03:37pm] <Bratt> how to read them and evaluate them?
[03:37pm] * Stuveltje must i evaluate my stats?
[03:38pm] <beefcake> chat on stats sounds like a good idea Bratt
[03:38pm] <doll> sounds like a good chat to me ... I know it would help 
me out
[03:38pm] <Bratt> i look at all mine, just dont understand alot of it
[03:38pm] <plumcr8ze> the stat page needs a tutorial on it lol
[03:38pm] <Bratt> lol
[03:38pm] <beefcake> lol
[03:38pm] <tia> your traffic is your income.. and your stats are what 
helps you keep that income coming in
[03:38pm] <Stuveltje> brb
[03:38pm] <beefcake> ok..all hands up for a chat on stats some 
time!!!!!
[03:38pm] <beefcake> I do .. I do.. lol
[03:38pm] <Rowdy> Bratt.. important things are raw traffic, unique 
traffic and where they are coming from IMHO You know you can drop 
me an icq or mail anytime about CE's stuff :)
[03:38pm] <plumcr8ze> I cant make heads or tails of mine
[03:39pm] <Bratt> =)
[03:39pm] <Rowdy> We can do a chat on stats.. not a problem at all
[03:39pm] <beefcake> well that's 3.. bratt, me and plum
[03:39pm] <beefcake> cool..
[03:40pm] <Bratt> i willl prolly do that Rowdy, see what is up and how 
to figure all the ce stuff out
[03:40pm] <Rowdy> Any questions relating to today's topic?
[03:40pm] <Bratt> but ... like you.. i have to find time to do that
[03:40pm] <Isis175> Yes
[03:40pm] <Bratt> so you would say run 5-10K through before making 
any decisions then?
[03:40pm] <Isis175> would you review how to pick a sponsor.Sorry to 
be late
[03:41pm] <Rowdy> That is me Bratt :)
[03:41pm] <Bratt> but you would say it isnt a good sign for a drop like 
what i said?
[03:42pm] <Rowdy> "how do you pick them? .... there are a few 
different ways
[03:42pm] <Rowdy> 1. Look through resource listings
[03:42pm] <Rowdy> 2. Check with others on who they use
[03:42pm] <Rowdy> 3. Surf sites and see what is out there so to speak
[03:42pm] <Rowdy> 4. Read your spam mail...lol (my personal last 
resort which is more of a joke than anything)
[03:42pm] <Rowdy> Bratt.. a drop like that I would be watching closely 
yes and possibly experimenting with a portion of that traffic elsewhere 
to see if the ratio trend continued there in comparison
[03:43pm] <Isis175> thanks
[03:43pm] <Bratt> that is what i kinda thought too
[03:43pm] <Rowdy> no problem Isis175.. thre will be a chat log 
available soon for this chat as well
[03:43pm] <tia> really searching for sponsors is a good idea.. trying to 
find one that isn't all over the place that has a good sell on their 
tours.. especially when you do tgp .. surfers see the same sponsors 
over and over.. give them something different that looks good
[03:44pm] <Rowdy> small sponsors do have their advantages .. as well as 
some benefits with the larger as well IMHO :)
[03:45pm] <tia> some of my best converters are the small "out of the 
way" ones
[03:45pm] <tia> but it takes doing your homework to find them
[03:45pm] <security_man> hopefully that will be mitigated a bit soon :)
[03:45pm] <Rowdy> I will say this though when it comes to advice on 
who to choose for a sponsor from another webmaster... listen to to it 
all but then study a bit as well and remember everything performs a 
bit differently for folks so proceed with caution until doing your own 
test as well :)
[03:46pm] <Stuveltje> sorry bad puter
[03:46pm] <Bratt> i will have to agree there Rowdy
[03:47pm] <tia> true Rowdy
[03:47pm] <Rowdy> wb
[03:47pm] <Stuveltje> ty
[03:47pm] <beefcake> wb stuuuuuuuuuuuu
[03:47pm] <Rowdy> Yep.. nobody's word can be considered "gold" as 
there are just to many variables :)
[03:48pm] <Bratt> i learned that one... one sponsor might work well for 
one person and not at all for another
[03:48pm] <tia> one that converts for one may not convert for another 
due to those variables true
[03:48pm] <Bratt> I tend to see that alot
[03:48pm] <tia> hehe
[03:48pm] * Stuveltje amen to that
[03:48pm] <Bratt> =\
[03:48pm] <Bratt> ok tia, you are reading my mind again..rofl
[03:48pm] <tia> :)
[03:48pm] <security_man> hey folks - i gotta run - this haunted house 
stuff is killing me - sorry
[03:48pm] <Bratt> talk to you tonight security_man
[03:48pm] <Rowdy> later security_man
[03:48pm] <Stuveltje> bya ec_man
[03:48pm] <Isis175> laterz, sec
[03:49pm] <security_man> thanx yall - good info today :))
[03:49pm] * Stuveltje nice me<-------missed that all
[03:49pm] <beefcake> bye sec_man
[03:49pm] * Stuveltje senile beef
[03:49pm] * beefcake knows stu is senile.. hahaha and chinese
[03:49pm] * Stuveltje nihou
[03:50pm] <tia> see ya sec :)
[03:50pm] <Chipmunk> :)
[03:50pm] <tia> :/
[03:50pm] * Stuveltje hya chipmunk
[03:50pm] <Chipmunk> hiya
[03:50pm] <tia> hi Chipmunk :))
[03:50pm] <Chipmunk> :)
[03:50pm] <Chipmunk> hiya Tia:)
[03:50pm] * Chipmunk says hita stuv and beef
[03:50pm] <Chipmunk> hiya
[03:50pm] <Chipmunk> grrr
[03:50pm] * Stuveltje nihou
[03:51pm] <beefcake> nihou????
[03:51pm] * beefcake hi ya chip
[03:51pm] * Stuveltje chineze hello
[03:51pm] <Chipmunk> :)
[03:51pm] <Chipmunk> lol
[03:51pm] <Rowdy> OK, I'm going to cut the official chat short as my 
1 year old nephew just arrived here from out of state and it's time to 
"play" a bit :)
[03:51pm] * Stuveltje hehehehe stu<------stciking tongue out to beef
[03:51pm] <Chipmunk> darn dutch and germans they always use z when 
they should use S and Visa versa
[03:52pm] <Stuveltje> hahahahahahahah
[03:52pm] <doll> damnit, I always miss everything!
[03:52pm] <beefcake> ohhhhhhh cool rowdy.. my nephew flew in 
yesterday for his dad's birthday..going to see him on the weekend.. 
 it's been years.
[03:52pm] <Isis175> bye R. and thank you
[03:52pm] <beefcake> have a great time.
[03:52pm] <Rowdy> I want to thank everyone for particpating and 
showing up today as it was a really good chat IMO
[03:52pm] <Stuveltje> have fun rowdy
[03:52pm] <Chipmunk> have fun rowdy :)
[03:52pm] <doll> bye rowdy
[03:52pm] <Stuveltje> OHHHHHH NIce rub it in nice good chat
[03:52pm] <tia> see ya Rowdy :)
[03:52pm] <Stuveltje> lol
[03:52pm] <Rowdy> Hope to see you all on the ANS boards and 
tomorrow night at the ANS party :)
[03:52pm] <jvastine> hi folks!
[03:52pm] <Stuveltje> hya javstine
[03:52pm] * beefcake kicks stu's arse
[03:53pm] <Rowdy> hi jvastine.. happy B-day early
[03:53pm] * Stuveltje ass
[03:53pm] <Chipmunk> hiya Jva :)
[03:53pm] *** Rowdy changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Welcome to Netsurprise 
Adult Webmaster chat! ~*\!/*~ www.adultnetsurprise.com ~*\!/*~'
[03:53pm] <beefcake> hi javestine
[03:53pm] <Rowdy> Catch ya'all next time :)
[03:53pm] <Stuveltje> well if chat is ove rme go , byaaaaaaaaaaa all
[03:53pm] <jvastine> thanks Rowdy - hope you're feeling better mon!
[03:53pm] *** Rowdy (admin@12.158.4.q1766=) Quit (QUIT: User 
exited)
[03:54pm] <beefcake> oh geez there goes stu again.. I can hear her 
now.. lmao