[03:00pm] <Rowdy> :)
[03:00pm] <NevDull> 10?
[03:01pm] <beefcake> yup.. just got back home Nev
[03:01pm] <beefcake> hi stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[03:01pm] <Stuveltje> heeeeeeeeeee beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeffffffffff
[03:01pm] <Rowdy> hi Stuveltje
[03:01pm] <Stuveltje> hya rowdy
[03:01pm] * Stuveltje wave o rowdy
[03:02pm] <NevDull> Does Stuveltje mean something in Dutch?
[03:02pm] <Stuveltje> nop
[03:02pm] <Stuveltje> hya Nevdull
[03:02pm] <NevDull> hi
[03:02pm] <NevDull> :bounce:
[03:02pm] * Stuveltje ;updown:
[03:02pm] * beefcake waves at NevDull
[03:03pm] <NevDull> hola, bovinebakedgoods
[03:03pm] <Stuveltje> lololol
[03:03pm] <beefcake> lmao
[03:03pm] * Stuveltje is laughing loud
[03:03pm] <Rowdy> Today's Newbie Chat Topic will be "Banners and text links - the benefits and downfalls of each"
[03:04pm] * Stuveltje is an bovinebakedgoods
[03:04pm] <NevDull> I need more text links!
[03:04pm] <Rowdy> We will begin here in a few minutes
[03:04pm] <Stuveltje> its time ......
[03:04pm] <Stuveltje> close the doors
[03:04pm] <beefcake> k
[03:04pm] <NevDull> Anyone noticed that google.com results pages are using redirects to get to your site?
[03:04pm] <beefcake> lol
[03:04pm] <Stuveltje> i like text links more then banners
[03:04pm] <NevDull> the links are to google.com/url?ldafkhglsdkjfhglsdkhg
[03:04pm] <NevDull> Must be gathering stats.
[03:04pm] <Stuveltje> nop didnt notice
[03:05pm] <Stuveltje> is that bad?
[03:05pm] * beefcake reads..is puzzled
[03:05pm] * Stuveltje lol
[03:06pm] <NevDull> I don't like google tracking me, but they do anyway since I use the toolbar.
[03:06pm] <Stuveltje> oke me gonna get me a cola
[03:06pm] <Stuveltje> i dont use the tool bar
[03:07pm] <Stuveltje> i wonder if the tool bars has influance if you surf your own sites
[03:07pm] <Stuveltje> specially now you say its tracking ya
[03:08pm] * Stuveltje knocks on all the heads ...wake up
[03:08pm] * beefcake is confused.. hahahahahhaa
[03:08pm] <Rowdy> no idea Stuveltje
[03:08pm] <Stuveltje> where the hell is nevvdull
[03:09pm] * Stuveltje heee rowdy
[03:09pm] <Rowdy> ok.. are we ready?
[03:09pm] <NevDull> Hi
[03:09pm] <NevDull> I'm here.
[03:09pm] <NevDull> And I want text links.
[03:09pm] * Stuveltje tapping her foot........i am
[03:09pm] <beefcake> i'm ready
[03:09pm] <Rowdy> Banners and text links - the benefits and downfalls of each ....
[03:09pm] <beefcake> banners draw your bandwidth..but sometimes catch the eye of a surfer
[03:09pm] <Stuveltje> well make them nevdull
[03:10pm] <NevDull> No, text links *to* me, Stuveltje. :)
[03:10pm] <Rowdy> OK, those of us that run linklists still see the occasional site coming in that is all banners .... does anyone thing this works any longer as far as producing sales?
[03:10pm] <Stuveltje> hahahahaha
[03:10pm] <beefcake> text links.. if the mental midget can read are good.. lol
[03:10pm] <NevDull> I don't.
[03:10pm] <Stuveltje> if you make your own banners yes
[03:10pm] <beefcake> nope.. i'm almost banner blind these days..
[03:10pm] <freeadultcontent> banners suck since many are banner blind, they use up bw, and people are to lazy to make their own versions so using em is useless. Text is cheaper, works better and has always worked. ok opinion over
[03:11pm] <NevDull> If there are only banners and no salestext surrounding them?
[03:11pm] <Stuveltje> hya free adult content
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> I personally thingk the banners are good eye catchers but the text is what will get them to click in most cases
[03:11pm] <beefcake> hi freeadultcontent
[03:11pm] <freeadultcontent> hi
[03:11pm] <Stuveltje> new rule at my LL i have put it up, i dont wanna see sites with only banners with out tet
[03:11pm] <beefcake> I do both.. use banners from sponsors and make my own.
[03:11pm] <Stuveltje> text i mean
[03:13pm] <beefcake> I saw that new rule.
[03:13pm] <Stuveltje> http://www.vaginal-cumshot.comthis site of myn has more text then banners
[03:13pm] <Rowdy> Bandwidth is a good point... one has to consider if the banners are producing a enough diference in ales to justify their use to begin with
[03:14pm] <NevDull> Well... well made banners make me think the site advertised is likely to have a nice site if I click on it.
[03:14pm] <Rowdy> I think that "impact" link s are the best bet for overall sales generation
[03:14pm] <beefcake> impact links???text?
[03:14pm] <Rowdy> but the banners/buttons can draw attention to the area which sometimes is a more than worthwhile trade off
[03:15pm] <Stuveltje> well most banners surfers have seen so make your own banners
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> impact links = short text links... to the point type thing
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> Now, what other beenefits of text links are there?
[03:15pm] <NevDull> Click Here For Horny Sluts?
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> Saved bandwidth
[03:15pm] <Stuveltje> still i think you need some banners on your site
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> better sales
[03:16pm] <Rowdy> how about search engine "food" :)
[03:16pm] <Kre8t0r> Rowdy Mon!!!!
[03:16pm] <beefcake> page loads faster..uses less bandwidth
[03:16pm] <Stuveltje> test is ses food
[03:16pm] <Rowdy> hi Kre8t0r
[03:16pm] <Stuveltje> shit text
[03:16pm] <beefcake> haha s.e.
[03:16pm] <Stuveltje> hya jre
[03:16pm] <beefcake> hi kre
[03:17pm] * Stuveltje i have lost some letters from my keyboard again
[03:17pm] <beefcake> lmao
[03:17pm] <Rowdy> pesky troublesome keyboard :)
[03:17pm] * Stuveltje doooohhhhhhh
[03:17pm] <Stuveltje> lolololol
[03:17pm] * Stuveltje chineze
[03:17pm] <NevDull> You sure it's not a pebkac?
[03:17pm] <Rowdy> Now, this leads to another thing.... buttons for recips? do you use them.. and if so... why?
[03:18pm] <Stuveltje> nop
[03:18pm] <Stuveltje> not anymore
[03:18pm] <Stuveltje> i dont use them because i dont like them , all those flickering different color buttons
[03:18pm] <freeadultcontent> only when forced to Rowdy
[03:18pm] <beefcake> I was..but now am using text.
[03:18pm] <NevDull> I use text links, though some people get so crazy with tables and inline stylesheet stuff it's almost as big as the image would be. :)
[03:18pm] <Stuveltje> you change them beef i do to
[03:19pm] <Rowdy> I still do ocassionally... but that's on those banner blind type sites where I think the surfers won't look at it plus I try to use the best looking button for my own linklists but 90% of the time I use text.
[03:20pm] <Stuveltje> and all those buttons are different size
[03:20pm] <Rowdy> NevDull.. another good point... way to much time is spent and resources used sometimes on recips
[03:20pm] <Rowdy> you need a link back... not a fancy table with multi color commands and crap :)
[03:21pm] <Rowdy> hello roscoe
[03:21pm] <digibucks_roscoe> hey rowdy
[03:21pm] <beefcake> thats true.. i spend a lot of time on recips.. and looking up LL's.. now I have a functional list of about 80 or so and am making a page I can just copy and paste each set of 8 in on mirrow sites
[03:21pm] <Stuveltje> bhya digibucks...nice name
[03:21pm] <beefcake> hi digibucks
[03:21pm] <digibucks_roscoe> figure i would just whore about a bit..
[03:21pm] <digibucks_roscoe> hey beefcake
[03:21pm] <beefcake> mirrow??? stu stole my keys!!!
[03:22pm] <digibucks_roscoe> thank stu
[03:22pm] * Stuveltje what the hell are you talking about
[03:22pm] * Stuveltje i mean beef
[03:22pm] <beefcake> my type...you stole me keys.. made me make a typo
[03:22pm] <Rowdy> beefcake, having your own custom list of where you submit to and in the proper format can save a lot of time... 
[03:22pm] * Stuveltje ooooohhhhhh ........senile woman
[03:22pm] <digibucks_roscoe> keys ..we don't need no stinkin keys
[03:23pm] <NevDull> I've been thinking about using SSI for recips.
[03:23pm] <beefcake> I'm finding that out Rowdy.. almost have the list done..
[03:23pm] <Rowdy> but many folks don't realize those tables need only be basic... it doesn't have to be the prettiest thing around on the site...lol
[03:23pm] * beefcake slaps stu silly
[03:23pm] <NevDull> stu already is silly!
[03:23pm] <Stuveltje> well rowdy i like a nice link table for my site
[03:23pm] * Stuveltje who moi????
[03:24pm] <NevDull> Oui, vous.
[03:24pm] <beefcake> lmao
[03:24pm] <Rowdy> Stuveltje.. nice is ok... but some folks get way to caught up in the basic appearance of their sites... folks need to remember that ugly can sell as well :)
[03:24pm] <beefcake> I borrowed stu's link tables.
[03:24pm] * Stuveltje no no je suis an grande stuveltje
[03:24pm] <Stuveltje> une
[03:24pm] <Stuveltje> lololol
[03:24pm] <NevDull> Especially since you don't want people hanging on your warning page (which is where you typically put recips)
[03:24pm] <beefcake> ugly sites turn me off.. I click off them and go elsewhere.. maybe that's a woman thing?
[03:24pm] <tia> hmmm
[03:25pm] <Stuveltje> hya tia
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> beefcak.. "clicking off" can be a good thing.. just have to have the right thing for them to click into :)
[03:25pm] <beefcake> hi tia
[03:25pm] <tia> hi Stuveltje!
[03:25pm] <digibucks_roscoe> hey tia
[03:25pm] <tia> hey beefcake
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> hello tia
[03:25pm] <tia> hi digibucks_roscoe lol
[03:25pm] <beefcake> no.. lmaorowdy..I hit the back button and go elsewhere.. hahahaha
[03:25pm] <tia> hi Rowdy :)
[03:25pm] <Stuveltje> i have ugly sites the onse wich i made when i started this bizz, still they sell
[03:26pm] <Stuveltje> so i leave them that way
[03:26pm] <beefcake> oh.. i got those!! hahaha
[03:26pm] * Stuveltje yo have seen them he beef.lol
[03:26pm] <digibucks_roscoe> hell my content site is an ugly one..has been for years :)
[03:26pm] <Stuveltje> hahahahahahah
[03:26pm] <Rowdy> beefcake... have you tried the approach? sometimes ugly or annoying can be beneficial.... all depends on the layout and so forth
[03:26pm] * tia agrees :)
[03:26pm] <NevDull> 40 mediocre sites beats 5 pretty ones.
[03:26pm] <Orbitalz> :|
[03:27pm] <Stuveltje> i think if to nice, they jerk off on the site and dont buy
[03:27pm] <tia> there's a difference between ugly and not interesting.. a site can be ugly.. but very interesting
[03:27pm] <beefcake> I've done ugly sites.. not intentionally loltried a bit of humour yesterday.. site isn't up yet though, it's a new section actually.
[03:27pm] * Stuveltje hya orbitalz
[03:27pm] <Orbitalz> hey stu
[03:28pm] <Stuveltje> i made a site today from the content we got yesterday in chat, its an easy site, btw old template of mine,
[03:28pm] <beefcake> i've wondered what a site would do with a lot of real snide remarks to men....almost male bashing... if it would sell .
[03:28pm] <tia> femdom :)
[03:28pm] <Stuveltje> i dont touch that
[03:28pm] <beefcake> lol yes..
[03:28pm] <Stuveltje> femdom in a certain way is oke
[03:28pm] <tia> femdom is a really good niche
[03:28pm] <Kre8t0r> hey folks! : )
[03:28pm] <tia> hiya K!
[03:28pm] <Stuveltje> yep i agree got those sites too
[03:28pm] <freeadultcontent> beefcake go visit boygirlbang.com check out the promos, you will see male bashing at its finest.
[03:29pm] <Stuveltje> hya kre, ou came in twice?
[03:29pm] <Kre8t0r> ack
[03:29pm] <beefcake> lolcan I submit my ex's pics???
[03:29pm] * Stuveltje bad bd beef
[03:29pm] <Kre8t0r> just multi-tasking Stuveltje
[03:29pm] * Stuveltje lololololol kre
[03:29pm] <Kre8t0r> Rowdy taught me :p
[03:29pm] <Kre8t0r> heh
[03:29pm] <tia> oh oops.. I gotta get back to work.. I'll be lurking :))
[03:29pm] <Stuveltje> bya tia
[03:29pm] <beefcake> bye tia
[03:30pm] <Rowdy> ok .. point is to all of this... to many folks thing there is "one way" to make a site or sell the memberships..... completely wrong as many avenues as well as combinations can and do work
[03:30pm] <beefcake> what about something like.. 'get off your fat ass and buy something you cheap bastard..'.. hahahha
[03:31pm] * Stuveltje how rude
[03:31pm] <Orbitalz> time to turn this content into galleries
[03:31pm] <Orbitalz> :\
[03:46pm] <beefcake> yah.. can I pay you and stu to do my sites? lol
[03:46pm] <Orbitalz> wb Bratt
[03:46pm] <Bratt> ty
[03:46pm] <Stuveltje> mmm me thinking.....
[03:46pm] <beefcake> hi bratt.
[03:46pm] <Stuveltje> i wont do you sites, 
[03:46pm] <beefcake> ya witch.. lol
[03:46pm] <Rowdy> Orbitalz.. I think McDonalds will sell ya an order of bacon :)
[03:46pm] <beefcake> ewwwwwwwwww mcd's
[03:47pm] <Stuveltje> i am thinking myself to hirer people next year to build for me
[03:47pm] <Orbitalz> me no likey Mc donalds
[03:47pm] <Orbitalz> :(
[03:47pm] <_Splitz_> hi all
[03:47pm] <Orbitalz> I like real shit
[03:47pm] <beefcake> cow's lips!!!
[03:47pm] <Stuveltje> hya splitz
[03:47pm] <Rowdy> hi Bratt
[03:47pm] <beefcake> hi splitz
[03:47pm] <Orbitalz> like Carls Jr., Wendy's
[03:47pm] <freeadultcontent> yeah rowdy, whenever possible make your own banners
[03:47pm] <Rowdy> Hi Splitz
[03:47pm] <Orbitalz> sometimes Taco Bell, and sometimes Jack n the Crack
[03:47pm] <beefcake> i've started doing that too freeadultcontent
[03:47pm] <Bratt> heya Rowdy
[03:47pm] <Rowdy> Yes, if you can make decent looking banners, self made can do well
[03:47pm] <Kre8t0r> so roscoe is that new program of yours live yet?
[03:47pm] <Bratt> and hello to everyone else too!
[03:47pm] <_Splitz_> got wrapped up in code, sorry I missed the begining
[03:48pm] * Stuveltje wave at brattttttttttttttttttttttttt
[03:48pm] <digibucks_roscoe> Oh yea dude we be LIVE!
[03:48pm] <Kre8t0r> banners are getting harder to make original..... surfers are getting blind to anything 468 wide
[03:48pm] <Kre8t0r> sweet i'll have to go check it out
[03:48pm] <_Splitz_> Banner tips from Splitz: Animated always outclicks static, Don't use ones with the URL on the banner, they may type the URL in and you don't get credit
[03:48pm] <digibucks_roscoe> http://www.digibucks.comsorry for thrspam
[03:49pm] <Kre8t0r> saves me typing :p
[03:49pm] <Rowdy> good point Splitz
[03:49pm] <_Splitz_> Kre, don't use width/height tags to get around that
[03:49pm] <beefcake> why stick to 468x60???
[03:49pm] <digibucks_roscoe> as a matter of fact we are looking to make special deals with tgp owners on poster..
[03:49pm] <_Splitz_> Width/Height tags is one thing a lot of ad blockers look at
[03:49pm] <Rowdy> hi drifterlrsc
[03:49pm] <Orbitalz> 468x80 loox best for horizontal banners of that size
[03:50pm] <_Splitz_> so don't use them
[03:50pm] <Rowdy> beefcake.. that's more or less a standard although altered sizes can do well also
[03:50pm] <drifterlrsc> hi
[03:50pm] <digibucks_roscoe> opss im stepping on toes sorry
[03:50pm] <_Splitz_> Also avoid things like ad, banner, etc etc in file name or directory structures to avoid nasty adblockers
[03:50pm] <Kre8t0r> i always hunt the odd sizes myself
[03:50pm] <beefcake> I know that's the standard size..but......a bit bigger, a bit smaller..
[03:51pm] <Rowdy> True Splitz.. always name folders with keywords.. and on image directories, use htacess or at least make sure there is an index.html file in the folder
[03:52pm] <beefcake> ohhhhhhhhhh i must have missed that lesson rowdy
[03:52pm] <Rowdy> which one beefcake?
[03:52pm] <_Splitz_> ya, you can get a lot of 404 traffic by adding "Options -Indexes" to your htaccess file
[03:53pm] <beefcake> the folders with keywords and the image directories thing
[03:53pm] <_Splitz_> people like to snoop your sites
[03:53pm] <_Splitz_> so make a buck off of 'em
[03:53pm] <Rowdy> yes.. I include index files in all folders... wither with redirects, fake hubs or 404 pages
[03:53pm] <Rowdy> wither = either
[03:54pm] <_Splitz_> NOTE: snoopers = no rules if you're TGP or LL'ing
[03:54pm] <_Splitz_> So get dirty one those 404 pages =)
[03:54pm] <_Splitz_> s/one/on/
[03:55pm] <Rowdy> Yes, snooping traffic is your own traffic and since they should be there in the first place, usually they get hamered a bit more :)
[03:55pm] <Rowdy> shouldn't
[03:55pm] <beefcake> ok..htacess is easy with my server..just put a bullet in the directory you want done, and it's done.
[03:55pm] <_Splitz_> throw in a per exit, per impression, some blinds, etc etc
[03:55pm] <Orbitalz> :\
[03:56pm] <Rowdy> ok.. we're almost at the end of the chat today.. any final comments?
[03:56pm] <Stuveltje> nop
[03:56pm] <Rowdy> As always, I'd like to thank everyone for stopping in today
[03:56pm] <beefcake> nope.. you just loaded more work on me.. lol
[03:57pm] <Orbitalz> :|
[03:57pm] <beefcake> thanks rowdy
[03:57pm] <Orbitalz> bk to worky for meeee
[03:57pm] <_Splitz_> lol =)
[03:57pm] <Stuveltje> thanks rowdy
[03:57pm] <Stuveltje> i goooo bya all
[03:57pm] <Rowdy> Hope to see you all on the ANS boards
[03:57pm] <beefcake> byeeeeeee
[03:58pm] <digibucks_roscoe> sorry if i stepped on some toes ther people
[03:58pm] <Rowdy> np
[03:59pm] <Rowdy> Back to work for me.. ya'll have a good one :)