[03:00pm] that's pathetic really.. most people read the newspaper or a magazine.. I read computer shit.. lol [03:00pm] someone needs to invent a device to entertain people while they take a shit [03:00pm] I got up at 9am today [03:00pm] hi stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu !!!!!!! [03:00pm] feels good to getup early [03:00pm] well howdy everybody! [03:00pm] hi JP [03:00pm] hey beef [03:00pm] hey sec [03:00pm] hya all beeeffffffffffffffff [03:00pm] hey plum [03:00pm] hey FoZzl [03:00pm] hey stu [03:00pm] hi stuveltje, jp, geckozz! [03:00pm] Orb!!! [03:01pm] orbitalz, sec man, dokkster, rowdy [03:01pm] whoops.. there goes rowdy's connection again. [03:01pm] they have dokk - its called a book ROFL! [03:01pm] damn [03:01pm] lolololrowdy is peer again [03:01pm] foiled again [03:01pm] a book will show shit stains though [03:01pm] oooh the peers ate rowdy! [03:01pm] lol [03:01pm] i could come up with washable entertainment perhaps [03:01pm] damn.. he has the worst connection problems [03:01pm] laminated books? [03:01pm] lol [03:01pm] lmao for the tub [03:02pm] no i think maybe a good toy! [03:02pm] or shower [03:02pm] like a rocket [03:02pm] hey Rowdy [03:02pm] toilet rocket [03:02pm] wb rowdy [03:02pm] oh hellyes [03:02pm] thats a little scatalogical there dokk LOL [03:02pm] hi Kre8t0r [03:02pm] hey kre [03:02pm] ty [03:02pm] power with methane [03:02pm] wb [03:02pm] gonna put some music on [03:02pm] hey security_man [03:02pm] hey kre [03:02pm] hya kree [03:02pm] beefcake [03:02pm] : ) [03:02pm] * beefcake says.. oh no..a dancing chinese woman!!! [03:02pm] stuveltje!! [03:03pm] lololol [03:03pm] * stuveltje waves at kree [03:03pm] rowdy do you have a broadband connection or are you on dial uppy? [03:03pm] satelite [03:03pm] rowdys got best connection ....and it sucks [03:03pm] ooh fancy [03:03pm] ;-) [03:04pm] rowdy, do you have a virii [03:04pm] Actually .. satelite, DSL and dial up... all give me trouble at one point or another [03:04pm] thats all you can get out there in bfe isnt it rowdy? >:) [03:04pm] * stuveltje is laughing [03:04pm] not accoroding to all software Orbitalz .. why? [03:04pm] he's curious [03:04pm] heh, no reason [03:04pm] see [03:04pm] lol [03:04pm] lol [03:04pm] lol [03:04pm] * beefcake says stu is over tired and got the giggles already...oy.. [03:05pm] *** Rowdy changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Welcome to Netsurprise Adult Webmaster chat! ~*\!/* ~ Newbie Chat Time - www.adultnetsurprise.com ~*\!/*~' [03:05pm] * dokkster taps a keg and grabs some 16oz cups [03:05pm] * stuveltje thinks beef is right and stu is goning to have a good tim here [03:05pm] Is that Labatt's blue???or Molson Golden?? [03:05pm] Today's Newbie Chat Topic will be "Make every click count" [03:05pm] * security_man grabs a 44oz stein and bellys up to dokks bar [03:06pm] ooooh thisll be good! [03:06pm] Bud! [03:06pm] lol [03:06pm] I'm trying rowdy.. but I better see a sale soon on these new freesites.. been at it a bit over a month.. lol [03:06pm] weis... [03:06pm] now.. make that 2 months [03:06pm] errr... [03:06pm] lol [03:06pm] now = no [03:06pm] do we have anybody from tennesee here? [03:06pm] I asked today on the newbie board ... who tracks their traffic so they know where it's going.... [03:06pm] shit..stu's rubbing off on me [03:07pm] * beefcake is a Canuck [03:07pm] This is a big part of "making every click count" as a person must know at least to some degree where the traffic is going in order to be able to use it effectively [03:07pm] what's canuck mean? [03:07pm] canadian ukon? [03:07pm] Canadian [03:07pm] something like that? [03:07pm] what's the uck? [03:07pm] shot name for duck? [03:08pm] Rowdy.. I'm still too new for real tracking yet.. but I do click on the counters now and then and take a peek [03:08pm] very true rowdy - i use porngraph for very good stats - its easy to use and give much better info than my server stats [03:08pm] lol what the hell do I know.. it's just Canuck.. [03:08pm] porngraph? [03:08pm] hey it's cool w/me [03:08pm] bc bud rulez [03:08pm] there are different ways to track things... [03:08pm] Tracking::: [03:08pm] Use trackable links when possible [03:08pm] Use certain sponsors/sites on specific sites only [03:08pm] Use your stats! [03:08pm] yup porngraph.com its a counter - i had to find a new one when hitbox pulled their bowner [03:09pm] sextracker is still around [03:09pm] I use paycounter..stu turned me onto it.. [03:09pm] paycounter is good [03:09pm] did use sextracker on some pages. [03:09pm] making any money with paycounter? [03:09pm] yup there are lots of different options for coutners [03:09pm] nope.. not making a cent yet Dokk..to fresh in the game [03:09pm] sextracker is what I use [03:10pm] I use my own stats for entry numbers, image views, most popular paths taken and so forth... then I use treackable links in order to know what's going on at the sponsor level [03:10pm] is it just too much of a bitch to analyze the server logs or am i missing something? [03:10pm] Rowdy.. say that in English please [03:10pm] I'm lost :( [03:10pm] yeah my server logs are far too disjointed to analize effectivley [03:10pm] me too plum [03:10pm] you got disjointed logs? [03:11pm] wtf is that? [03:11pm] lol [03:11pm] beefcake.. money comes eventually although a person must keep trying things as well to find the right formula sometimes... also what works today, might not tomorrow and what used to work 2 years ago, might come back "in" (to a degree anyhow) [03:11pm] I stay that way [03:11pm] there is a salve you can get for it but i cant afford it [03:11pm] lol [03:11pm] i disjoint a log usually in the am then i feel great [03:11pm] ahhhhh ok..I thought you might have been saying you have your own script or something like that. [03:11pm] lol [03:12pm] too much info sec_man [03:12pm] * beefcake wants to know what it is with men and their bowel movements??? [03:12pm] * security_man is still laughing at dokk disjointing a log in the mornings [03:12pm] beefcake.. server stats I use to see how many times images were viewed or certain sites with links inside the main site performance. The sponsors I use like CECAsh allows the linking ode to be tracked to specific IDs [03:12pm] yep thats a great one [03:12pm] ooops that was dokk [03:12pm] lol [03:12pm] great feature [03:12pm] well i been hangin out in bathrooms for yrs [03:13pm] I'm wondering if I'm using that on CE rowdy.. I'm not sure. [03:13pm] oh shit - thats funny [03:13pm] my server doesn't keep the best logs.. [03:13pm] damn [03:13pm] no referrers, etc. [03:13pm] just hits, pages, k's.. etc. [03:13pm] you can't just config it to do so for you? [03:13pm] Remember, this is a "piece" of the puzzle so to much time devoted just to this aspect will not help you for them most part [03:13pm] how do you keep track of that if your not using sponsors? [03:13pm] hell yes what rowdy said [03:14pm] absolutely - there is a deep trap set by stats - i have fallen into it before and its a bitch to get out of [03:14pm] plumcr8ze.. you can easily make a certain page that advertises the site and then link to that page. You then can see from your server logs at least how many times that page was loaded [03:14pm] well with the paycounter dohickey I have all my sites under one thing so I can go in and just click away.. and gives referrers too. [03:14pm] i'll tell ya, i'm pissed, i built a nice free picture site and not a single fucker traded links with me that i submitted to [03:14pm] lol [03:15pm] se's rule [03:15pm] dokkster, finding who will link your styles is another piece of that overall puzzle :) [03:15pm] I have sextracker on my freesites it tell me were someone came fom [03:15pm] one thing i love about the counter i use is that it tells you the keyword and the se as well as the page your site showed up on with that keyword on that se - its very nice [03:15pm] no wonder i am puzzled [03:16pm] ok.. now.. the next step... what methods can you use to maximize on those clicks? [03:16pm] lol I got rejected by a LL the other day..jackstoker.. first one to reject me and it was submitted 6 damn weeks prior and they finally just got around to telling me.. and for no apparent reason either. [03:16pm] bastards got all that free linking out of me. [03:16pm] use mouseovers [03:16pm] just a few examples of Ways to increase clcik traffic::::: [03:16pm] backbutton script [03:16pm] consoles both exit style as well as blur [03:16pm] links page [03:16pm] more enticing text [03:16pm] ohhhhhhhhhh I like that sec_man [03:16pm] mouseovers is a very good one dokk! :) [03:16pm] agreed [03:16pm] my enticing text doesn't seem to do anything but piss em off more [03:17pm] btw beefie - you might start getting rejects because of your template - might be time to change it up a little :) [03:17pm] yeah.. the main page.. I know.. :-) [03:17pm] lol [03:17pm] will work on it.. [03:17pm] lol dokk... then that's not the right text.. unless of course you use an alternate style looking link and the piss them off text drives them to that link :) [03:17pm] but that was 6 weeks after I submitted to them.. took them long enough! [03:18pm] It's just like ugly sites, that can be used to get people off the site quicker and where you want them to go [03:18pm] i am going to bring back my ad that says "click here or we'll shoot this dog" [03:18pm] shit happens - so does disjointed loggs LOL [03:18pm] beef jack stroker dont accept gay sites did you submit a gay site? [03:18pm] thats cold dokk lol [03:18pm] a man's gotta do what he's gotta do [03:18pm] "if you dont click here im gonna club this baby seal - thats right club a seal to make a better deal!" [03:18pm] there ya go [03:18pm] ummmmmmm yup.. hahahahha I didn't see that in their rules though [03:19pm] The old fashioned "I'm a cheap fuck and don't want to pay for anything" link can still work on the right promotions :) [03:19pm] eeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkk SEC_MAN!!! [03:19pm] like cemags [03:19pm] >:) [03:19pm] * beefcake removes all cookie rights to sec_man.. [03:19pm] well he dont accept gay beefffffffffffffffffffffffff [03:20pm] yes security_man.. although you dont want to shoot yourself in the foot for upsells with that program either.. have to consider all angles :) [03:20pm] well he should make it more clear stu.. I didn't see that. [03:20pm] btw thanks for the tip on putting the links to cemags and all access pass on the main page of my linklist rowdy - made lots of money from that little change already :)) [03:20pm] cool security_man [03:20pm] well read better beef [03:20pm] puh [03:20pm] lol well said stu [03:20pm] puh to you too [03:21pm] lol [03:21pm] beefcake.. if you real all rules, it's hard to miss one. Yes, it is a pain in the ass but at the same time, making money and getting traffic is the reward :) [03:21pm] how long have you been developing a link list security man? [03:22pm] about a month or two now, why? [03:22pm] I normally do rowdy.. all of them.. and when I find something like that I make a pointto list it on my LL list that I have.. under 'quirks'.. [03:22pm] i must have been too damn tired that day or something [03:22pm] i'm writing a book i guess lol [03:22pm] like i said - shit happens :) aint no thing beefie [03:22pm] lol dokk [03:22pm] that might be an intresting read [03:23pm] oh man [03:23pm] lol it sure would [03:23pm] how many of you use a links page on your free sites? [03:24pm] i do i do [03:24pm] I'm in the process but at this rate it'll take me two weeks.. lol [03:24pm] how does a page get 0 hits? [03:24pm] no links to it? [03:24pm] easy [03:24pm] lol [03:24pm] yup.. LL's [03:24pm] never got uploaded? [03:24pm] yupabsolutely [03:24pm] never got listed? [03:25pm] yup.. checked [03:25pm] bad stats proggy? [03:25pm] yes, I use link pages on the majority of my sites.. not much traffic to them but again, every click counts :) [03:25pm] I don't know sec.. but it annoys me.. lol [03:25pm] we'd like to think that anyway ;-) [03:25pm] yup - the links page is the last bastion of the moneybar type techniques thats still allowed so take advantage while you still can! [03:26pm] i think i've had a few clicks that didn't count [03:26pm] damn mongolians [03:26pm] rofl [03:26pm] break down my shitty wall [03:26pm] it really is amazing how many people all over the world happen upon our sites [03:26pm] lol [03:26pm] no doubt [03:27pm] I use extreme tracker on my mainstream sites.. I love it..wish I could use it on the adult ones too [03:27pm] i'm getting alot of overseas traffic [03:27pm] i see hits from countries i thought didnt exist any more LOL [03:27pm] lol i see hits from countries I didn't know existed.. [03:28pm] well, I hope you all see the importance of this aspect of the business as by the amount of folks here, I can tell many do not see it that way [03:28pm] and when you start getting traffic from iran it starts to make you wonder - who the fuck has computers much less the balls to surf porn when they might get their dick chopped off for doing so LOL [03:28pm] and of course you just gotta love the ones from 'US gov't' lol [03:29pm] i am redirecting that traffic with sec xmoney [03:29pm] I've gotten them from the military [03:29pm] military sells porn in the px [03:29pm] lol [03:29pm] they have a lot of disposable income [03:29pm] is sexmoney anygood? [03:29pm] Gewtting traffic is very important... but knowing how to use it and actually using what you do get is the first step IMHO of making money [03:29pm] rowdy...with my mainstream I watch it all the time..the extreme tracker gives you all the info you could possibly use.. se's and everything.. I'm not sure about paycounter for se's and keywords and such [03:29pm] my mom works for aafess - they run the pxs - no she isnt in the porn dokk LOL [03:30pm] well if she's working in there no i wouldn't expect to see her in like porn no [03:30pm] but they sell playboy there right? [03:30pm] and stuff [03:30pm] i think so - soldeurs are horny folks LOL [03:30pm] I have actually played a bit with the keywords on some sections or pages due to what came up on the tracker.. [03:30pm] yup [03:31pm] beefcake.. I have a small amount of tiem I dedicate each day to check stats... I get an idea from there and then go with it.. Beyond watching my freehost for abusers, I never check my own stats more than that and sometimes less... depending on the situation [03:31pm] tiem -time [03:31pm] 01,99so far i havent seen anything from sexmoney01,99 [03:31pm] yeah sex mney is good except your from outside country just like me i cant get on my own sites anymore, but i can change that [03:31pm] how long have you had sexmoney kre? [03:32pm] outside what country? [03:32pm] I live in the US [03:32pm] the time thing is the issue with me - i barely have time to build and submit sites any more much less pouring over stats for days at a time to figure out what the surfers are doing [03:32pm] 0000,99only a couple weeks00,9901 [03:32pm] i go from the stats and work it backwards [03:32pm] so i'm gonna give them a while [03:32pm] look for what they are looking for, then adapt to that [03:32pm] good point dokk [03:33pm] Once a pattern is ironed out, a good general base of information can be picked out from your stats easily.. just have to focus on which aspect that might be [03:33pm] knowing how they flow through your site is important too [03:33pm] otherwise i'm just guessing as to what they are looking for [03:33pm] rowdy.. I don't check them every day.. not the adult ones.I try for every 2 or 3 days for my mainstream [03:33pm] if most surfers find all the pics and then leave it might be time to change some wording on text links or something [03:34pm] anybody here tried syndicating an rss feed with your sponsor links in it? [03:34pm] rss? [03:34pm] yup [03:34pm] say what dokk? [03:34pm] what is rss? [03:34pm] security_man.. exactly.. also if they don't continue past the first gallery, either you have way to good of pics and they're "finished" or you aren't offering what they want so the sponsor link would need to be highleghted some more [03:35pm] absolutely - those tweeks are worth the time it takes to figure them out [03:35pm] it's an xml markup language that allows other people to put your stuff on their websites [03:35pm] or they can view it in an rss reader [03:35pm] this is the format of blogging as well [03:35pm] over my head [03:35pm] really nothing to it [03:36pm] it's just xml [03:36pm] thats far beyond my expertise - i can barely write html [03:36pm] lol [03:36pm] if you look at my webkam site you will see a bunch of rss feeds [03:36pm] http://www.webkam.com/ [03:36pm] just as an example [03:37pm] and if you want to try a kickass rss reader, grab FeedDemon [03:37pm] look at you selling all those popup stoppers - whaddya wanna do? put us outa business??!!? >:) [03:37pm] http://www.feedDemon.com/ [03:37pm] howdy kitt [03:37pm] Hi all! :)) [03:37pm] lol [03:37pm] Phuck popups [03:37pm] wow, Kit! [03:37pm] How's it going? [03:37pm] hey kit [03:37pm] hey! [03:37pm] hya kit [03:38pm] Hiya Dokk!!!!!!! [03:38pm] bratt: time to wake up [03:38pm] :| [03:38pm] ;-))) [03:38pm] hi kit [03:38pm] sweeeeet! you have a quote from george will on there? that rocks! [03:38pm] *hugs* [03:38pm] there are literally tens of thousands of rss feeds [03:38pm] the only problem is most of them are fucked up and won't work [03:38pm] lol [03:38pm] i am wake [03:39pm] that might be a prolem LOL [03:39pm] howdy bratt [03:39pm] i am changing out ca scripts [03:39pm] and fixing the banners so i MIGHT make a sale with them [03:39pm] fixing up all my old sites before i knew how to do them [03:39pm] hehehe [03:39pm] hi bratt [03:39pm] eh fuckem - till they tell me im not listed i ant changin nothing [03:39pm] :) [03:39pm] yay bratt's awakey [03:39pm] =) [03:40pm] she's always awake [03:40pm] ;-) [03:40pm] * Orbitalz huggles bratt [03:40pm] * Orbitalz huggles kit [03:40pm] * Orbitalz huggles himself [03:40pm] :)) [03:40pm] my goodness a veritable huggles orgie broke out [03:40pm] you lonely Orb?? [03:40pm] i have to many to change, so if i get started, i wont' be pushing it [03:40pm] hey Kit!!!! [03:40pm] : ) [03:40pm] How's it going Kre? [03:40pm] i do so i and gonna fuck with it till i get yanked LOL [03:41pm] mmmm, no [03:41pm] bout to go get some 40z [03:41pm] hangin in there : ) [03:41pm] :) [03:41pm] :) [03:41pm] Kit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [03:41pm] Hi! [03:41pm] yay!, more people [03:41pm] orangecrush! howdy :) [03:41pm] +*) [03:41pm] we haven't seen you round in a long time, what a pleasure to have you stop in Kit ;-) [03:42pm] i just figured that while i was changing scripts, i could fix other things... kinda tweak things [03:42pm] tweak [03:42pm] hey there [03:42pm] not a bad idea [03:42pm] hi orangecrush! [03:42pm] I know...I really need to make it a point to stop in the chats more often. I miss everyone! [03:42pm] Hiya Kit :) [03:42pm] hey orangecrush [03:42pm] we miss you too kit :) [03:42pm] hi orangecrush [03:42pm] Hi Rowdy! [03:43pm] wow!! Hey guys. thanks for the warm welcome [03:43pm] hi orange crush [03:43pm] 9,1 And remember people, this channel is open 24/7 [03:43pm] :) [03:43pm] ok.. so does anyone have any questions/comments about the "make every click count" aspect? [03:43pm] thanx Orbitalz : ) [03:43pm] np [03:43pm] we are here all day everyday!!! [03:43pm] and THEN some Kre... hehehe [03:43pm] hehehe [03:43pm] I got it rowdy.. just think I may look for yet another counter and try that and see and compare them [03:43pm] one other thing i have found very effective is underlining - try just underlining the part of the link that is action oriented - like click here [03:44pm] it seems to work well cuz surfers are trained to look for underlines as links but if a whole paragraph is underlined they tend to stay away [03:44pm] just another way you make every click count [03:44pm] :) [03:45pm] I've tried that piece of advice it seems to work [03:45pm] security man is right I ws trained by the best :) [03:45pm] lol [03:46pm] rotflmao... :-) [03:46pm] sec man forgot to tell me that one!!! [03:46pm] we just havent gotten to that lesson yet >:) [03:46pm] well I've been around a while! hahahaa [03:46pm] hmmmmmm that didn't sound right.. hahaha [03:46pm] I need all the leasons I can get lol [03:47pm] the school never closes - there are no graduates and no diplomas :)) [03:47pm] ok.. guess we'll "close the topic" for today and just finish up with general chat then [03:47pm] just a contenuing persuite of porn excellence :) [03:47pm] dont need diplomas just money lol [03:47pm] great job as usual rowdy [03:47pm] Any other areas where someone has a question? [03:47pm] sounds good [03:47pm] ty [03:47pm] traffic should be picking back up soon [03:48pm] yup - its only 83 today here in dallas - thats a good sign :))) [03:48pm] college kids are coming!!!! [03:48pm] that too [03:48pm] Thanks Rowdy.. :-) [03:48pm] too bad I missed out on the disscussion :( [03:48pm] yes Kre8t0r.. and I think we'll soon see who used this winter for research and expansion and who didn't rather quickly [03:48pm] i give them 3 weeks and they will find porn and the cc work well together...as usual [03:49pm] orangecrush, the Wed. chats are always logged and will be available within the newbie zone in a week or so [03:49pm] no doubt [03:49pm] you can usually almost always find some help between here and the netsurprise/ce webmaster boards [03:49pm] for real - the industry is going to work itself out - the committed ones will stay and the less good ones will die off so its a good thing all around! [03:49pm] i know we made the best out of summer [03:49pm] Oh!, that reminds me, Next season of Enterprise starts next week [03:49pm] :) [03:49pm] yes college kids with all those cc. So easy to get. never thought of that!!!! [03:49pm] lol [03:49pm] 9/10 [03:49pm]