15:00] *** Rowdy changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Welcome to Netsurprise! - It's Newbie Chat time!!! -do pop up ads work? -Today is Wednesday -June 4th 2003~*\!/*~-- Adult Webmasters Only!!! "' [15:00] pretty good, you? [15:01] not bad :) [15:01] Hiya stuveltje [15:01] heeee rowdy [15:02] hi Blue_Spade [15:02] heya rowdy [15:03] have we already started? [15:03] well.. seems like a slow start.... [15:03] haha [15:03] brb [15:03] shit break [15:03] hi Rowdy [15:04] so what is your opinion rowdy . . . do they work? [15:04] hi Orbitalz [15:04] sure enough Blue_Spade [15:04] agreed [15:04] in the right place :) [15:04] and to the right degree [15:05] it seems that the proper use of pops is a big secret [15:05] hi Jinx [15:05] Today's Topic - Do pop ups work? [15:06] Kaiser actually got me think ing about this here main board pop up thread - http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/message-board/main/viewthread/8235/ [15:06] hi Anthony [15:06] quote "According to an Advertising.com analysis, pop-up ads generate a click-through 13 times that of the standard 468 x 60 pixels banner and a conversion rate more than 14 times better. " [15:06] http://cyberatlas.internet.com/markets/advertising/article/0,,5941_2213861,00.html [15:06] Now that's some numbers to make ya think :) [15:07] impressive [15:08] it would be great if we could pull one of the sponsor guys in to discuss some pop up stuff [15:08] such as? [15:08] I mean what aspect do you want to discuss? [15:09] well, off the top of my head RogerV from pornkings comes to mind . . he shells out 25 to the webmasters for only $1 in return . . . he makes up the difference with his ad rotation [15:09] hi thesillygirl [15:09] hi rowdy [15:09] Blue_Spade.. well almost any sponsor will tell you pop ups work :) [15:09] what is the topic? [15:10] Today's Topic - Do pop ups work? [15:10] cool [15:10] oh definately . .I would be keen on learning more on how to make them more effective [15:10] main board pop up thread - http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/message-board/main/viewthread/8235/ [15:10] thanks rowdy [15:10] quote "According to an Advertising.com analysis, pop-up ads generate a click-through 13 times that of the standard 468 x 60 pixels banner and a conversion rate more than 14 times better. " [15:10] http://cyberatlas.internet.com/markets/advertising/article/0,,5941_2213861,00.html [15:11] Blue_Spad.. the big thing about pop ups... need to load fast (at least at the top) and go for an "impact" type reaction. Grab their attention or curiosity right at the start [15:11] gotcha [15:12] second and third pop up stradegies vary [15:12] some like to go same niche type thing and other go for the opposite end type of things [15:12] so are you saying that the first pop up should almost have a lot of skin showing [15:13] self evaluation of your traffic and some experimentation is about the only way to see how each will perform on the traffic you recieve though [15:13] i think alot of adult webmasters do not see the effectiveness of ads because we are blind to them . .. but to the everyday wanker . . . flashing something interesting for them creates a need [15:13] thesillygirl.. not really... there doesn't need to be anything showing if you can grab the attention with a few large text words :) [15:13] ok [15:14] one of my best performing pop ups is an all text page that is pretty much ugly as hell... but it works for my traffic....lol [15:14] lol [15:14] i have heard that ugly sells [15:14] lol [15:15] sorry was away chasing some freggles [15:15] Been having more luck here lately making sites that are basic and "amateurish" looking as far as webmaster skills and I've been surprisengly impressed with the results :) [15:15] hi sticks [15:15] that makes me feel better rowdy [15:15] I go with plain jane when building avs sites . . . probably does not help my avs sales but the upsells are surely stepping up [15:16] i think that security man was going to try that with AVS too [15:16] thesillygirl.. different styles seel better at different times... the trends vary so much it's really hard to track little lone make sense out of....hahaha [15:16] thesilly: and where do you suppose he got that idea from? ;) [15:16] lol [15:16] i guess that would be you blue_spade [15:16] sec_man is my bud [15:16] i am going to try the program that you posted that was converting well for you [15:17] hya sillygirl, blue_spade,orbitalz, sticks [15:17] that is my next site....... [15:17] heya stuveltje . . . can I get an updown [15:17] hi stutje [15:17] ;) [15:17] grin [15:17] hi just checking things out never been here [15:17] thesillygirl: yea, if you need any help feel free to contact me [15:17] freggles in bed now, me can stay here [15:17] welcome sticks [15:18] welcome sticks [15:18] thanks blue_spade [15:18] i will probably take you up on that blue_spade [15:18] okay MR. Rowdy . . . when creating a console ad how do you feel about the smaller ones . . . say the GoldXXXMag that CE pops [15:18] lol [15:19] I am a believer that size does matter in the popup advertising world [15:19] Brattttttttttttttttttttttttt [15:19] Blue_Spade.. I think they can be effective on single products/sites... not very effective though on mutli site advertisement IMHO [15:19] Hi Bratt [15:20] sticks - http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/ there's all kinds of info there :) [15:20] bratt where you hiding?? [15:21] of course . . . obviously you would want to use a multi site console for most applications but when the opp to plug a single item, say viagra a smaller banner seems to be more effective [15:21] yep [15:21] ya I know Just thought I would check out the chat room to see what its like [15:22] i c sticks [15:22] bk [15:23] what kind of sites are you using pop ups on? You cant do that on free sites ......most link lists dont allow it [15:23] Blue_Spade... the smaller ones seem to really well when focusing or using as a blur ... I don't really care for the smaller on a top load [15:23] thesillygirl.. you make sites that get fed traffic from your linklist listed sites so you can do what you want with them :) [15:23] ok [15:24] same goes with hub pages as far as the surfers are yours so you do what performs best [15:24] ok [15:24] you can do that on the index page of your ffree sites, i never submit my index to the LL only the mirror [15:25] hi security_man [15:25] he sec_man [15:25] hello sec-man [15:25] howdy howdy all :) [15:25] stuveltje......that is a good idea....never thought about that [15:26] that way....the se traffic gets a pop up ......is that the line of thinking [15:26] i use my index for all kind of things [15:26] moneybars and all, [15:26] hmmmm [15:26] the Ll wont see that page [15:26] so who will ? [15:26] the ses [15:26] hi cptbilly [15:26] that is what i thought [15:26] howdy cptbilly :) [15:26] hi captbilly [15:27] Hi all [15:27] no here is my question . . . how do you establish a good amount of "popable" traffic [15:27] so you can put an full page add behind your index, who cares you can do what you want with it [15:27] thesillygirl, some places do allow pop ups as well although they usually have different acceptable limits [15:27] i have found a few that allow them rowdy.......i just started working on that today [15:27] hya cptbilly [15:28] Blue_Spade... by using hub pages and feeder sites, se traffic, toplist traffic , 404 traffic and so forth :) [15:28] the trend is leading towards removing pops from everything . . . how can I still establish a decent flow of traffic in which I can place popups [15:28] heya MML [15:28] MML Updown [15:28] hi MrMaryLou [15:28] well howdy ho mrm!! [15:28] Soory I am late [15:28] hello mml [15:28] oh sec_man is here . . . wassup bro [15:28] lol [15:28] Hello all [15:29] lol i sliped in quitely ;) [15:29] lol [15:29] Blue_Spade... there's plenty of places to still get traffic from that allow it.... might not be thousands of hits a day but if the quality is considerably better or at least it is on my sites, I can live with smaller quanities of traffic :) [15:29] yep me too [15:29] gotcha [15:30] do we have a good toplist chat stored anywhere? [15:30] Do pop up ads work ? MMMMM Yes and No they work great for some forms of traffic but not too well for the seasoned bookmarker looking for that something special [15:31] hmmm.. there's a toplist project and should be one or two chats in the archives about it [15:31] coo [15:31] i read recently an article about popups converting better than normal text ads - it was very intresting :) [15:31] Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum [15:31] rowdy just mentioned that sec man [15:31] agreed MrMaryLou ... the traffic itself is a large piece of the pop up puzzle [15:31] oops :) [15:32] So for pop-ups, make SE-pages? [15:32] Today's Topic - Do pop ups work? [15:32] main board pop up thread - http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/message-board/main/viewthread/8235/ [15:32] quote "According to an Advertising.com analysis, pop-up ads generate a click-through 13 times that of the standard 468 x 60 pixels banner and a conversion rate more than 14 times better. " [15:32] http://cyberatlas.internet.com/markets/advertising/article/0,,5941_2213861,00.html [15:32] MML my counter company has come up with a script that only pops one add perday to the visitor [15:32] heee nevdull [15:32] Yep the pops work better for the rookie surfer from say SE traffic [15:32] yeah thats the one :) [15:33] i have popups on all my freesites nevdull - even the ones i submit to greenguy :) [15:33] Do you send MML boob hats? [15:33] What's a skyscraper?(mentioned in that article) [15:33] lol that too but the trick is to put them on the fpas you have between the ad and the sponsor [15:34] skyscraper is a tall banner instead of a wide one [15:34] Aha [15:34] hi bear40 [15:34] greets Rowdy andd all [15:34] hya bear40 [15:34] howdy bear40 [15:34] You know, security_man, when I was looking at your stuff the other day, I couldn't tell what was what... you managed to confuse me so well, I can see why it works with surfers. :) [15:34] rofl! it works! [15:34] security man ......can you explain that to me .....about putting them on the fpa between the sponsor [15:34] Big friggin funhouse mirror thing. [15:35] you just mad because the mirror made you look fat [15:35] ;) [15:35] lol [15:35] thesillygirl:Make your sponsor links go to a FPA you host, which has a pop-up with it. [15:35] ok [15:35] sure, insead of putting your unque code on the ads you link to an fpa with popups and such [15:35] damn too slow [15:35] then make the fpa go to the sponsor [15:36] yup [15:36] Like freesite---user click--->FPA with pop-up------->sponsor [15:36] ok .......i will write that down [15:36] thanks [15:36] sec_man how many pops do you toss in the rotation? [15:36] question about topic....with all the pop up stopper programs out there...wouldnt pop up ads be a waste of programing time??? [15:36] Do you use one? [15:36] they are not so effective [15:36] yes [15:36] the stoppers that is [15:36] bear40... those type programs are making a difference... but there is still a large audience for pop ups [15:36] I don't use one regularly. [15:36] depends on the situation - if its a surfer trap sometimes a complete cj but thats rare [15:37] gotcha [15:37] they onlything it doesnt stop are those auto downloads of web dialers.... [15:37] usually on an fpa i have a pupunder as soon as it opens then there are two that pop if they dont click [15:37] * NevDull needs to figure out how to be as disorienting as security_man. [15:37] two exit consoles? [15:37] yeah one breeds the other [15:37] hi daily [15:37] howdy daily :) [15:37] nevdull: you gotta be drunk to build like sec_man [15:37] hey rowdy [15:38] Does being high count?It's a lot easier. [15:38] heyhey security man [15:38] Drinking takes up valuable building time. [15:38] he daily [15:38] not if you use straw by comp...lol [15:38] rofl [15:38] he just pours a bottle of jack in those handy beer helmets and sips all day long [15:38] Confusion works for some folks on layouts... I used to do well with them but my traffic shifted as to where the back to basics are producing better for me. There are many factors that create problems folks don't even think about [15:38] hi stuveltje [15:39] * security_man starts hiccuping [15:39] lol [15:39] -=Laughs Out Loud=- [15:39] what kind of problems rowdy [15:39] my admitted problem is that I do not confuse the visitors enough while building freesites . . . I am stuck in "AVS Mode" making really straighforward ads [15:39] for example..... ad serving programs.... some folks run these on a different domain that what the site itself is on, ... programs such as norton firewall can actually block the ads at this point because they read the different domain locations and it gives a false "hack" attempt [15:39] what rowdy said is true as well - try some simple stuff and see if it converts some traffic will do better with it than others [15:40] oh yes i have heard about that [15:40] stuveltje... a lot of folks haven't heard and are wasting valuable ad space [15:40] ive gotten a few false reads [15:40] hmm - never thought about that [15:40] yep agree [15:41] folks running e-mail collections/mailers don't stay on top of the softwares that block "so called spam" (even though it's legit) and there time, effort and money spent collecting and building up a list are then wasted [15:41] i am not a pop up freak i have some, most blurs because when they click the sponsor they will go to pop up hell also [15:42] i hate pop up hell...usually freezes my comp...lol [15:42] mine too [15:42] all things that could be considered small can have a large impact if not thought out :) [15:43] keep in mind stu that some sponsors dont keep your code in their rotation so by making the fpa with pops could keep your codes infront of the surfer in that case [15:43] bear.. good point actually... to many pop ups do/can lock up systems and there's no money to be made doing that [15:43] so if it freeze mine it can also freese the surfers puter, so you end on the blacklist of the surfer.lol [15:43] was thinking a pop up per page..once i get my site together..use full pasge ads..would that be too much??? [15:44] everything has it's places and everything has it's limitations! As with all things, know what you at least want to do before trying to do it...lol [15:44] sec_man yes i agree with that too, i like just the full page add and some other links and lead them thru more fpas ending on my Ll with an blur [15:44] kewl [15:44] bear.. it all depends on the overall layout.. without seeing it in action, I ccouldn't really give you very good input [15:45] well you all I am outta here [15:45] i got a non web related question..if anyone can help [15:45] light i need light otherwise i write chineze again [15:46] c'ya sticks [15:46] bya sticks [15:46] such as bear? [15:47] was running my defrag...for 3 hrs got nothing more the 5% and it kept restarting cause drivr contents kept changeing..any suggestions [15:47] got any programs running in the background you dont know about? [15:47] something is running in the background... do a ctrl-alt-delete and see what it says is all running :) [15:47] restart in safe mode and try again [15:48] thanks..ok back to topic [15:48] lolol [15:48] lol that was easy :) [15:49] the whole point of a popup is to give you one more opportunity to sell someone who tells you "no" - we forget sometimes that we are salesmen and overcomming objections is very important in sales [15:49] agree, but still dont like them [15:49] i read once that 98% of people buy after the fifth time they are asked to, but most salespeople give up after the second attempt [15:49] yep... have to ask yourself if you're on the web to build your ego or your income :) [15:50] nice one rowdy [15:50] why not both...lol [15:50] hahahaha [15:50] bear.. true... but I prefer not to complicate one within the other... my ego is fine after talking to my accountant :) [15:50] i asked in post and forgot to check...what r meta tags for??? [15:50] exactly stu, popups, even though we hate them personally are essential because its the only way we can make a second offer in the negotiations [15:51] my ego is fine after talking to myself [15:51] meta tags are used by some se bots to assist in page rankings/placements [15:51] or HAL cuz he thinks your god now stu LOL [15:51] yes good he, i did good to tell hal [15:51] same thing i was thinking...ive got the best selling site on the web..and my bank account proves it....see...ego and money...lol [15:51] lolololol [15:52] :) [15:52] ok...was wondering..cause some of the reviews said i had not meta tagfs in head [15:52] my most effective stratigy with popups seems to be to offer normal signup sponsors on the site then if they dont click the fpa hit em with a free sponsor and if they dont like that send em to the POTD or something similar [15:52] you need those bear [15:53] yep that i know also [15:53] POTD? [15:53] sec_man... forgot your name [15:53] POTD?? whats that? [15:53] bear http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/searchenginezone/ [15:53] its just like a car negotiation - they offer a high price for the car you turn them down they offer a little less you agree and the sale is done [15:53] I can't reach my license unless you hold my beer. (OK in Texas) [15:54] tohahahahahahaha [15:54] wow excuse me.. [15:54] POTD = Pic of the day [15:54] thank you [15:54] thanks Rowdy [15:54] :) [15:54] i hate it when i have something on the clipboard and it gets pasted accidentally in the chats :( [15:54] thanks [15:55] damned fat fingers LOL [15:55] i am fighting with all my open windos click every time the wrong one cus [15:55] Is there a way I can do an onclick blur console? [15:56] ok.. the chat is coming to an end so any final questions in regards to today's topic? [15:56] what exactly do ya wanna do juso? [15:56] onclick blur console [15:56] juso.. onlcick blur? you mean if they click it it opens but blurs? [15:56] what do you mean by that, sorry im drunk ya know >:) [15:56] hehe [15:56] whats the difference between pop ups when your at a site and pop up ads that come from nowhere when your just on the comp [15:56] just add a blur statement to the page that you open in a pop up [15:57] i want it to open 2 "links" actually [15:57] daily those are usually from spyware programs [15:57] daily, usually "spyware" [15:57] no the link its going to is not one of my pages [15:57] just gonna say that.lol. rowdy [15:57] so you want one window to open say a sponsor and underneath you want a different page? [15:58] yah [15:58] does anyone employ those techniques [15:58] juso, then just have the link open one, and then do an entrance blur console code on the page you are opening as well. The second page you would include your blur on and you have the desired effect... if I understand what ya wanted to do [15:58] k whatcha do is have the link open one of your pages that has an auto open script for the sponsor page [15:58] security_man man knows what I want=) [15:58] whats the link to the spyware stuff...think im screwed [15:59] get ad aware from lavasoftusa.com [15:59] ty again :) [15:59] here is an example http://www.teensandamateur.com/teen/teenfucking/sponsor1/fpa.shtm - when that page opens another opens on top of it [15:59] Thanks for coming out to the chat today... feel free to chat but I needed to announce the end of the "official" chat [