[02:58pm] *** Rowdy changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Welcome to Netsurprise!- Newbie Chat -Today is Wednesday -April 2nd 2003 ~*\!/*~ -- Adult Webmasters Only!!! '
[02:58pm] <Bratt> Rowdy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:58pm] <huey> hey
[02:59pm] <Rowdy> How goes it?
[03:00pm] <Bratt> not so good today, i am on the 3rd day of a migraine
[03:00pm] <Rowdy> ouch.. sorry to hear it
[03:00pm] <Bratt> i just wish it would go away
[03:00pm] <Bratt> i have had about enough
[03:01pm] <Rowdy> hope it gets better for ya :)
[03:02pm] <Rowdy> hi security_man
[03:02pm] <security_man> howdy rowdy (i love saying that LOL)
[03:02pm] <Bratt> HI security_man!!!!
[03:02pm] <security_man> hiya bratt - hows florida :)
[03:03pm] <Bratt> warm
[03:03pm] <security_man> starting to get that way here too :(
[03:03pm] <Rowdy> hi zerob
[03:03pm] <zerob> hello
[03:04pm] <security_man> howdy zerob
[03:04pm] <zerob> how is everyone today?
[03:04pm] <security_man> lovely - business is good :)
[03:04pm] <Rowdy> good.. yourself? 
[03:04pm] <zerob> doing GREAT! Thanks
[03:05pm] <Rowdy> hi Bjoofs
[03:05pm] <Bjoofs> Hi everyone :)
[03:05pm] <security_man> howdy bjoofs
[03:05pm] <zerob> hi bjoofs
[03:05pm] <Rowdy> We'll hang on just for a few minutes longer and then we'll begin today
[03:05pm] <security_man> kewl
[03:06pm] <zerob> ready ;)
[03:06pm] <Bjoofs> hehe
[03:07pm] <Rowdy> Topic: 4 steps to weekly/daily goals and a few tools to help
[03:08pm] <Rowdy> I must admit.... if we don't start getting a few more folks to show for the chat... I might just suspend the newbie chats
[03:08pm] <Rowdy> hi spookyx
[03:09pm] <security_man> howdy spook :))
[03:09pm] <spookyx> hey
[03:09pm] <zerob> 8 8hi spookyx
[03:09pm] <security_man> that would suck rowdy - we used to get quite a turn out for these - i wonder what happend?
[03:10pm] <zerob> 8 well you gained 1 new one today :D
[03:10pm] <huey> Im in
[03:10pm] <Rowdy> cool zerob
[03:10pm] <security_man> lol zerob :)
[03:10pm] <Rowdy> I appreciate the participation :)
[03:10pm] <Rowdy> ok... time to begin :)
[03:11pm] <security_man> go4it
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> Topic: 4 steps to weekly/daily goals and a few tools to help
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> There are 4 basics steps in setting up daily or weekly goals......
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> First step is to figure out what you want to focus on.
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> Examples - traffic, sales, new designs, research and so forth.
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> Second step is to figure out what you need to accomplish the goal 
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> previously listed:
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> Examples - reading up on techniques, talking to other webmasters, 
[03:11pm] <Rowdy> buy "supplies" and so forth
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> Third step is to set a realistic time frame to accomplish all of 
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> the above:
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> Keep in mind that on average, if you at first thing something will 
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> take an hour, schedule two hours as many things can cause your 
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> original estimate to fall short.
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> Forth and final step is to keep track of all of the above!
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> This not only helps efficiency presently but also can be a 
[03:12pm] <Rowdy> very useful "quick reference" tool at a later date!
[03:13pm] <Rowdy> Any questions or comments on those 4 steps?
[03:13pm] <security_man> one of the most important things for me when setting goals is to remember the words "realistic" & "acheavable" because...
[03:13pm] <security_man> if you arent able to reach the goal - even though it feels good to set it, will ultimately create failure and backfire in the end
[03:14pm] <Rowdy> agreed security_man.. these are more "short terms" goals as with the long term goals, a bit of dreaming doesn't hurt...lol
[03:14pm] <zerob> 8 to much dreaming does LOL
[03:14pm] <MrMaryLou> Oops sorry I beez late
[03:14pm] <Rowdy> just a bit is good.. to much is detremental to what you what to acheive
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> hi MrMaryLou
[03:15pm] <Rowdy> Topic: 4 steps to weekly/daily goals and a few tools to help
[03:15pm] <security_man> dreaming no, but pipedreaming yes LOL - i hear way too many folks that set goals that i like to call "new years eve" goals - theres no way they are going to aheave them, they just want the good feeling of saying "im gonna quit smoking and loose 50lbs in two weeks" :)
[03:15pm] <security_man> howdy mrm :))
[03:15pm] <MrMaryLou> Jello
[03:15pm] <zerob> 8 exactly sec man
[03:16pm] <Bjoofs> Achiving your goals is very important as it gives a sense of mastering, no use aiming too high and fail evey time.. hehe
[03:16pm] <Rowdy> First step is to figure out what you want to focus on. Examples - traffic, sales, new designs, research and so forth.
[03:16pm] <Rowdy> Second step is to figure out what you need to accomplish the goal previously listed: Examples - reading up on techniques, talking to other webmasters, buy "supplies" and so forth
[03:16pm] <Rowdy> Third step is to set a realistic time frame to accomplish all of the above:
[03:16pm] <Rowdy> Keep in mind that on average, if you at first thing something will take an hour, schedule two hours as many things can cause your original estimate to fall short.
[03:16pm] <Rowdy> Forth and final step is to keep track of all of the above! This not only helps efficiency presently but also can be avery useful "quick reference" tool at a later date!
[03:16pm] <security_man> thats exactly right bjoofs
[03:17pm] <Rowdy> Yep.. got to "keep it real" :)
[03:17pm] <MrMaryLou> Man I am so not anal at all :(
[03:17pm] <Rowdy> MrMaryLou?
[03:18pm] <MrMaryLou> Anal retentive LOL
[03:18pm] <security_man> in my experiance there are two kinds of goals: "results goals" and "adjustment goals"
[03:18pm] <MrMaryLou> I make bad notes cant read my own writing
[03:18pm] <Rowdy> hi cptbilly
[03:18pm] <security_man> results goals are the what you want to acheave and the adjustment goals are what you need to do to change and get to the results goals
[03:18pm] <security_man> howdy cptbilly 
[03:19pm] <zerob> 8 hello cptbilly
[03:19pm] <Rowdy> good point security_man
[03:19pm] <cptbilly> hi rowdy and all
[03:19pm] <Rowdy> ok.. now in quick referance to the tracking part.....
[03:19pm] <security_man> but, to do it that way you have to know wehre you are 
[03:19pm] <Rowdy> http://adultplaces.com/records.html you might have seen this before as a very basic tracking sheet
[03:20pm] <MrMaryLou> Cool stuff Rowdy 
[03:20pm] <security_man> howdy stuveltje - your late :updown:
[03:20pm] <security_man> >:)
[03:20pm] <stuveltje> fuck , damnnnnnnn me pissed now i am late
[03:20pm] <Bratt> stuveltje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:20pm] <Rowdy> I have expanded on that a tad (and plan to yet a little further also) which resulted in this tracking system: http://adultplaces.com/netsurprise/organize/index.html
[03:20pm] <stuveltje> Hyaaaaaaa Bratttttttttttt :updown:
[03:20pm] <security_man> what a mouth on you today stuv ;)
[03:20pm] <Rowdy> hi stuveltje
[03:21pm] <stuveltje> Hya rowdy i didnt want to missed this sorry
[03:21pm] <Rowdy> no prob :)
[03:21pm] <zerob> 8 hello stuveltje
[03:21pm] <stuveltje> lol,m i hate when i missed the newbie chat damnnnn timezone we got 1 hur forwards
[03:21pm] <Rowdy> http://adultplaces.com/netsurprise/organize/index.html is an example of how the tracking can get a "little" deeper
[03:21pm] <Bratt> HI Fantasyplanetx!!!!
[03:22pm] <stuveltje> hyaaa Zerob, security_man,MMl :updown
[03:22pm] <Fantasyplanetx> hi bratt :)
[03:22pm] <security_man> at least you figured it out before it was over lol
[03:22pm] <stuveltje> i hate it now, i am realy pissed
[03:22pm] <Rowdy> there is a zip file available if anyone wants it with those two files or you can wait a bit until I get done expanding it :)
[03:22pm] <MrMaryLou> :updown: woe is me
[03:22pm] <Rowdy> hi Fantasyplanetx
[03:22pm] <Fantasyplanetx> hiya rowdy
[03:22pm] <stuveltje> hahaha mister bobhat:updown:
[03:22pm] <Fantasyplanetx> and hello to everyone else :)
[03:22pm] <security_man> hey fantasyplanetx - i almost missed you coming in :)
[03:22pm] <stuveltje> hya fantasyplanet
[03:22pm] <AndyEm> whats up everyone :)
[03:23pm] <Fantasyplanetx> lol
[03:23pm] <stuveltje> heeee andyem
[03:23pm] <security_man> now i did miss you comming in andy LOL
[03:23pm] <Rowdy> hi AndyEm
[03:23pm] <AndyEm> yep came in earlier
[03:23pm] <Fantasyplanetx> yeah i thought i would try and sneak in for a min
[03:23pm] <security_man> hows it goin brotha?
[03:23pm] <stuveltje> wehhhhhhhhh me crying what did i missed
[03:23pm] <AndyEm> good good
[03:23pm] <security_man> excellent :)
[03:23pm] * Fantasyplanetx is just checkin in, allmost ready to get back to work :)
[03:24pm] <stuveltje> lol
[03:24pm] <Rowdy> recap for those that were late.....
[03:24pm] <security_man> you didnt miss too much stuveltje - just the important stuff LOL
[03:24pm] <AndyEm> lol
[03:24pm] <stuveltje> dont say that think of the heinz commercial
[03:24pm] <Rowdy> Topic: 4 steps to weekly/daily goals and a few tools to help
[03:24pm] <AndyEm> k
[03:24pm] <Rowdy> First step is to figure out what you want to focus on. Examples - traffic, sales, new designs, research and so forth.
[03:24pm] <Rowdy> Second step is to figure out what you need to accomplish the goal previously listed: Examples - reading up on techniques, talking to other webmasters, buy "supplies" and so forth
[03:24pm] <stuveltje> i am realy angry on myself now
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> Third step is to set a realistic time frame to accomplish all of the above:
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> Keep in mind that on average, if you at first thing something will take an hour, schedule two hours as many things can cause your original estimate to fall short.
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> Forth and final step is to keep track of all of the above! This not only helps efficiency presently but also can be avery useful "quick reference" tool at a later date!
[03:25pm] <security_man> dont feel too bad stuveltje - rowdy is recapping ;)
[03:25pm] <AndyEm> thx rowdy
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> General Tracking sheet: http://adultplaces.com/records.html
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> Specific "dmultiple domain/site tracking sheet" : http://adultplaces.com/netsurprise/organize/index.html
[03:25pm] <AndyEm> actually started one last week
[03:25pm] <Rowdy> BTW, click on the tracking sheet link from that second page and you'll see an "example site" breakdown
[03:26pm] <stuveltje> fuck my guy want to go to bed, i m realy realy angry no, i want to be hee, damnnnnnn]
[03:26pm] <stuveltje> why do we have to go 1 hour frards, damnnnnn
[03:26pm] <security_man> that is really really handy - if a sponsor goes away (like what happend with your stuff stuveltje) a sheet like this for each site you build is real handy :)
[03:26pm] <stuveltje> and i need to write lol
[03:27pm] <stuveltje> yes make me happy security_man, life sucks today
[03:27pm] <stuveltje> i got 2 posnors go away damnnnn again
[03:27pm] <Rowdy> stuveltje.. life never sucks... just sucky things happen sometimes :)
[03:27pm] <security_man> awe cmon girl - its not all bad 
[03:27pm] <security_man> wb zerob :)
[03:27pm] <Rowdy> wb zerob
[03:28pm] <stuveltje> well it happen to me today, blehhhhhhhhhh, lol. need to fis 35 sites well make me happy
[03:28pm] <MrMaryLou> Life is full of peaks and valley's
[03:28pm] <zerob> 8thanks windows locked up :(
[03:28pm] <stuveltje> well i am now in a valley
[03:28pm] <security_man> dont cha just luuuuuv windows LOL
[03:28pm] <zerob> yes I do :(
[03:28pm] <security_man> do you use adult cash stuveltje?
[03:28pm] <AndyEm> windoze blows
[03:29pm] <stuveltje> gonna sing in tomorrow for the greenguy thing i believe, oh boy me got busy ofthose fucking sponsors
[03:30pm] <stuveltje> its the 6 time i need to change my sites damnnnnn
[03:30pm] <security_man> might be time to get some slightly more stable sponsors girl >:)
[03:30pm] <stuveltje> i dont kno t confusing all now
[03:31pm] <huey> rowdy I found if I set a goal and I have to rely on other people add a week per person on top of the original estimate
[03:31pm] <stuveltje> i got god sponsors ars , topbucks i use about 20 sponsors and i got 50, porncash always payed me,but they are broke now.lol.dont mind its just the changing sites
[03:31pm] <zerob> lol or 2 huey
[03:31pm] <security_man> intresting rule of thumb huey - personally i dont set goals that rely on others, for just that reason LOL
[03:32pm] <huey> I have partners lol
[03:32pm] <MrMaryLou> stuveltje what are you changing or should I say whats the problem
[03:32pm] <security_man> i got one too - but he sets his own goals - then the company has goals and we both give each other FUCKING HELL if they arent met ;)
[03:32pm] <Rowdy> huey.. yes outside factors can slow progress enormously
[03:32pm] <stuveltje> well i got lifetimebucks and porncah on some realy good sites , so i have to change because both are broke, but its 35 sites i have to change
[03:32pm] <security_man> its a mutual haizing thing LOL
[03:33pm] <huey> my monday meetings went from 20 min to 4 hours
[03:33pm] <security_man> JEZUS! how many partners do you have manno LOL
[03:33pm] <huey> but dont give up bcause in the end it gets done just not as fast as u usually want
[03:33pm] <huey> 2 lol
[03:33pm] <stuveltje> they get good ses traffic soneed to change them even they are old sites
[03:34pm] <stuveltje> i know wich sites but i get realy sick of changing things
[03:35pm] <Rowdy> Real quick ... any questions on this http://adultplaces.com/netsurprise/organize/index.html or the tracking page off of it?
[03:35pm] <security_man> the tracking sheet that rowdy showed is very important to being able to track where you are and where you need to improve - otherwise goals dont work without that info
[03:35pm] <stuveltje> sory rowdyhave to get in it damnn missed the beginning, i am fucked today
[03:35pm] <huey> rowdy whats ablind link
[03:36pm] <Rowdy> a blind link is a link that takes the surfer someplace other than where they thought they were going
[03:36pm] <zerob> man rowdy thats what I need for sure
[03:36pm] <huey> thanks
[03:37pm] <stuveltje> sorry guys i am gonna quit need to thik and get things in line, have a good evening al, see you all tomorrow!
[03:37pm] <Rowdy> http://adultplaces.com/netsurprise/organize/sitetrack.zip isthose two files
[03:37pm] <Rowdy> I do plan on exapnding this a tad with a seperate sponsor page and so forth also
[03:37pm] <AndyEm> thx to those leaving :)
[03:37pm] <security_man> with that sheet you can say "okay with these sites i made this much money - what did i do with them that i didnt do before when i didnt make the same amount" again its about action and adjustment goals
[03:38pm] <zerob> By Stuve
[03:38pm] <zerob> Thanks Rowdy!!
[03:38pm] <Rowdy> :)
[03:38pm] <security_man> dont worry - she will "bounce" back... Get it?LOL
[03:38pm] <Rowdy> she needs to relax and step back for a few.. it helps
[03:38pm] <security_man> sorry - couldnt resist >:)
[03:38pm] <zerob> 8LOL its late for her
[03:39pm] <security_man> thats true too
[03:39pm] <zerob> my problem is getting organized to geet organized
[03:39pm] <security_man> now thats a circular problem LOL
[03:40pm] <zerob> this helps alot
[03:40pm] <Bjoofs> Mine too lol
[03:40pm] <Rowdy> it takes a bit at the start... but once you get a system down.. it proves to more helpful than anything
[03:40pm] <security_man> when ARS yanked all their fetish sites - i had a bunch of sites promoting them - i had to yank them all and without a tracking sheet i woulda been up shit creek
[03:41pm] <Rowdy> those sheets are really just a basci copy and paster formula for expanding and/or modification
[03:41pm] <zerob> with it you were able to have a complete history of each site is that right?
[03:42pm] <Rowdy> you can track as far into detail as you choose really.. just make sure you don't spend so much time "tracking" that you don't have time for working :)
[03:42pm] <security_man> exactly - it took the work out of going back and checking which sites were promoting what sponsor, all i had to do was look at my tracking sheet and make the adjustments on the sites i had it on - it was a god send
[03:43pm] <zerob> 8makes perfect sense!
[03:43pm] <security_man> LOL thats true too - there is a delicate balance between production and production capablilty 
[03:44pm] <zerob> 8not good for obsesive compulsive types heh? lol
[03:44pm] <security_man> and as yall have seen with stuveltje - when you dont have that infrastructure in place and a sponsor dissappears its a double whammy - not only are you not getting paid for the sales yo uhave made but you are also loosing money while you figure out what sites are promoting the defunct sponsor
[03:44pm] <AndyEm> damn thats yellow hurts the eyes
[03:44pm] <AndyEm> lol
[03:45pm] <zerob> 12sorry Andy
[03:45pm] <Rowdy> I've seen plenty of folks go overboard on stats... wacthing them 18 hours a day like it was the stock market... there is a point where you can't just "watch" but you have to "do" as well
[03:45pm] <AndyEm> oh no prob
[03:45pm] <AndyEm> lol
[03:45pm] <security_man> ah much better zerob :(
[03:45pm] <security_man> oops :)
[03:45pm] <security_man> thats what i ment to do = :)
[03:45pm] <security_man> not = :(
[03:45pm] <zerob> 12:)
[03:45pm] <security_man> oh no now im babbling :()
[03:45pm] <security_man> LOL
[03:45pm] <zerob> 12LOL
[03:46pm] <Rowdy> Another really good thing about this "tracking sheet" theory... once your pages are loaded, they usually stay small enough to fit onto a floppy which of course is a quick and easy backup :)
[03:46pm] <zerob> thats were the 4 points earlier mentioned comes in then huh Rowdy?
[03:46pm] <security_man> yuppers - you joke about anal retentive folks going over board on this - i sure as hell did (still do a little bit LOL) but not as bad as i did and now i make a helluvalot more money LOL
[03:46pm] <Bratt> i started a tracking sheet the last time you talked about it Rowdy, and i am still not done adding my sites...
[03:47pm] <Rowdy> It's worth it in the end Bratt :)
[03:47pm] <Bratt> got it started, then add as I go, and sometime when i have time to kill, i will go back and add the older sites
[03:47pm] <security_man> agreed
[03:47pm] <security_man> its also a great thing to send spiders to so that you make sure all your sites get crawled
[03:47pm] <Bratt> i have mine set up on a office document... 
[03:48pm] <Bratt> in a spreadsheet
[03:48pm] <huey> Im just starting out rowdy think this was an excellent tip, so I start this at the begining
[03:48pm] <zerob> really set it like a hub?
[03:48pm] <AndyEm> how often do you change pics and ads on your sites... 1 month ?
[03:48pm] <Rowdy> huey.. feel lucky....lol... once ya have a few hundred sites, starting something like this becomes a project all in itself :)
[03:48pm] <Bratt> once i have it all done, i might try to figure out how to inport it to an html page
[03:48pm] <security_man> i define a hub a little bit differently zerob - a hub is for filtering traffic that has said "no" to the ads on your free sites IMHO
[03:49pm] <Rowdy> Andy... most... never although I will ater certain pages slightly to keep certain bots happy...lol
[03:49pm] <huey> thats what I mean we want a 100 by the end of the year
[03:49pm] <AndyEm> ahh okay
[03:49pm] <security_man> i very rarely list my sites on my hubs - only on my tracking page which surfers dont have access to - only spiders ;)
[03:49pm] <zerob> but would the se's list it if got spidered?
[03:50pm] <Rowdy> Andy.. it does depnd on the site as well.. AVS for example have requirements for updates on certain styles
[03:50pm] <security_man> sure but if there is no optimization on it - the listing should be fairly obscure
[03:50pm] <security_man> i put all kinds of info on my tracking pages that i dont want surfers to see :)
[03:50pm] <zerob> makes sense :)
[03:51pm] <zerob> thanks!
[03:51pm] <Rowdy> OK.. any questions on today's chat?
[03:51pm] <security_man> and really freesites give waaay too much away imho - i would prefer to just give a surfer 20 pics then if he says no to the ads there send him to a hub so he can make a better descision after some more options, but no more free pics if i can help it LOL
[03:52pm] <zerob> No Rowdy I am motivated to get organized!
[03:52pm] <Rowdy> security_man.. but the alure of more free pics can take the surfer to a deeper level within the buying trap as well if done correctly :) .....trust me :)
[03:53pm] <security_man> absolutely - thats why i said if i can help it LOL
[03:53pm] <Rowdy> great zerob ... hope to see you on the board as well
[03:53pm] <Rowdy> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/message-board/newbieboard/
[03:53pm] <security_man> yeah zerob - let us know how it goes on the board :)
[03:53pm] <huey> security man when I build a free site how many pages should it be in general
[03:53pm] <zerob> my wife tied in silk goes there ;)
[03:53pm] <Rowdy> huey 4 without linkspage 5 with
[03:54pm] <security_man> warning, main, 2 galleries, and i put a "links" page full of ads on them too :)
[03:54pm] <huey> thanks
[03:54pm] <Rowdy> on one without full page ads inbetwen :)
[03:54pm] <security_man> yeah what rowdy said
[03:54pm] <security_man> LOL
[03:54pm] <AndyEm> lol
[03:54pm] <huey> : )
[03:54pm] <Rowdy> :)
[03:54pm] <zerob> you guys have been a big help to her and me
[03:54pm] <zerob> thanks
[03:55pm] <security_man> i know why fewer folks are showin' up rowdy - your too good at teaching, they all make too much money now LOL
[03:55pm] <Rowdy> that's what we're here for zerob
[03:55pm] <Rowdy> lol security_man ... no comment there
[03:55pm] <huey> yes this is great rowdy hope u can keep doing it
[03:55pm] <security_man> im just slower than most - thats why i keep comming >:)
[03:55pm] <spookyx> i think a push has to be made to bring new people in 
[03:55pm] <Rowdy> ok all.. it looks as if the chat is coming to an end... thanks for coming out and joining in!
[03:56pm] <spookyx> to the chat that is
[03:56pm] *** Rowdy changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Welcome to Netsurprise!-Today is Wednesday -April 2nd 2003 ~*\!/*~ -- Adult Webmasters Only!!! '
[03:56pm] <security_man> i agree spook - im on it :)
[03:56pm] <spookyx> well its everybodys fault
[03:56pm] <security_man> great chat rowdy - now im gonna go and spread the word :))
[03:56pm] <AndyEm> thx guys
[03:56pm] <zerob> Thank you for sharing today everyone have a Great Day!
[03:56pm] <Bjoofs> Thanks for the chat Rowdy. Great stuff :)
[03:56pm] <huey> ty rowdy
[03:56pm] <spookyx> everyday a new person comes in (mostly at night)and we forget to tell them about the chats
[03:57pm] <Rowdy> Great seeing everyone! I have to head out and take care of a few things but I'll be around the board as always :)
[03:57pm] <security_man> im outy too - cyall on the board :)
[03:57pm] <Rowdy> Enjoy your week all!!
[03:57pm] <spookyx> cya all