[15:11] <Frank> Weeeeee, good evening everyone!
[15:12] <Bratt> evening? it isn't 5 yet.. .rofl
[15:12] <Frank> LOL
[15:12] <Bratt> dont' want to rush things
[15:12] <Frank> Afternoon :-)
[15:12] <Bratt> hehehe
[15:12] <Bratt> ok, off to clean a room
[15:12] <Frank> 2AM - 2PM just about all the same to me, LOL
[15:13] <Bratt> tell me about it
[15:13] <Frank> Hey Rowdy!
[15:13] <Rowdy> Hiya Frank
[15:13] <Frank> So I thought you were gonna be in Negril?
[15:13] <Rowdy> me?
[15:13] <Frank> Bratt, hehe
[15:13] <Rowdy> Hi Lassiter
[15:13] <Frank> Hiya Lassiter!
[15:14] <Rowdy> Bratt.. you and your company have fun?
[15:14] <Lassiter> Hi Rowdy, Frank!
[15:14] <NevDullW> What's today's chat?I haven't been on the boards recently.
[15:14] <Lassiter> Nice to have the board back, isn't it?
[15:14] <Frank> Man, the board seems much fater now.
[15:14] <Frank> We're concluding the Hub Page project and it open discussion too :)
[15:14] <Frank> faster* not fater :(
[15:15] <Lassiter> Do the relevant people know who was behind the server attacks?
[15:15] <Lassiter> Fatter too ;)
[15:15] <Frank> lol
[15:15] <Frank> Hey stuveltje
[15:15] <Lassiter> Hi stuveltje!
[15:15] <stuveltje> ohhhhhhhh i am in hayyyyyyyy alllllll :updown:
[15:15] <NevDullW> stuveltje!:updown:
[15:15] <stuveltje> heeee nevdull
[15:15] <Frank> Yes you are, hehe
[15:15] <Rowdy> hiya stuveltje
[15:15] <stuveltje> hya rowdy and thanks :updown;
[15:16] <Rowdy> Lassiter.. all I know is that I've been told things are being handled.. about all I can say :)
[15:16] <stuveltje> hehehe frank still have to get used of the mirc
[15:16] <stuveltje> lassiter where????????????? :updown
[15:16] <NevDullW> mIRC is pretty handy.
[15:16] <Frank> Wanted to also let everyone know that there's some COOL things gonna be coming up for the weekend Build-A-Thons so keep your eye's open :)
[15:17] <Lassiter> Rowdy: Good...someone needs to send "Vito" over to talk to 'em.:)
[15:17] <stuveltje> haaaaaaaaaaaa good i need to wotk some nights too i am behind
[15:17] <Rowdy> :)
[15:18] <stuveltje> free radio??? Not tdvid singing thooooooo???
[15:18] <Frank> Somtimes bad things can produce "positive" results which is what has happened. The boards are much better and faster even than before. :)
[15:18] <stuveltje> ooh i missed the board
[15:18] <Frank> Now if everyone will get back in the saddle and start post as normal we'll be good to go :)
[15:19] <Rowdy> Things are looking bright :)
[15:19] <stuveltje> yep for me i think i will jump while you are all asleep
[15:19] <Frank> Everyone need to get the hang of participating in the Build-A-Thons to as there's some new and COOL things gonna be happening in the near future. :)
[15:20] <NevDullW> All those animated ads make browsing the boards over a Windows Terminal Services connection hell.
[15:20] <Rowdy> Yep Frank... I agree :) Cool stuff coming from all directions soon :)
[15:20] <Frank> Anyone have any hub page questions or anything?
[15:20] <stuveltje> i need the time on the net bad, my kid must get in hospital the 12 februar 
[15:21] <stuveltje> and i am behindddddddddddddd
[15:21] <Frank> Why stuveltje? Is everything OK?
[15:21] <Rowdy> stuveltje.. hospital?
[15:22] <stuveltje> oh he needs his tonsils in his throath and nose cut and his ears will be done , he is hearing bad and gets sick all the time.
[15:22] <Frank> Ah, normal kid stuff. hehe I know how that is :(
[15:22] <stuveltje> just a little oparation but for a mom ten years of my life.lol
[15:22] <Lassiter> Well, aside from adding more links and categories (and more-niche-specific mirrors), I think I've got my hubs going ok.
[15:23] <Frank> Cool deal Lassiter.
[15:23] <Lassiter> Amateur hub at http://www.pussiporn.com/pussipornlinks.htm and fetish/bondage hub at http://www.neep-neep.com/freeporn/neplinks.htm
[15:23] <Rowdy> Great Lassiter... remember... as you build more niche sites, add them into a hub or make a new "network" hub for future use as well as SE food :)
[15:23] <stuveltje> well i am trying to get my hub more to a LL because later i want it to be an LL
[15:23] <Frank> I'm still in the process of updating and redoing a few "niche" specific hubs myself.
[15:24] <Lassiter> Rowdy: Yep, that's my plan ;)
[15:24] <NevDullW> Anyone have specific scripts they like to use to manage their hubs?
[15:24] <Frank> stuveltje... you can always do the small niche specific hubs (kinda like categories of a link list) and link all of them to the larger hub/link list too.
[15:25] <stuveltje> i have link all my domains together, i get good ses traffic to my hub even it is almost 5 weeks ld
[15:25] <Rowdy> :) In the end, everything joins together in a way... one page wonders, hub pages, doorway pages... all can bleed together a bit and serve multi purposes :) (Although learning the seperate areas first is usually the best approach)
[15:25] <Lassiter> NevDull: Just HTML and a text editor so far. ;)
[15:25] <Frank> NevDull, my hubs are just my sites that I add onto so I don't really have any need for scripts....
[15:25] <Frank> Other than I do java sometimes to rotate banners.
[15:26] <Lassiter> Frank: There's a banner rotation script in the resource area, true?
[15:26] <stuveltje> oh i have a banner program that makes banner rotating stuf
[15:26] <NevDullW> Are there places I should avoid having PHP, for example?I was thinking of putting together a database of my sites and dynamically generating the hub so it's always up to date...
[15:26] <Frank> Yea, I still have "one page wonders" out there that are on the first page of some SE searches after 2 and 3 years.LOL
[15:27] <Rowdy> Hi Marie
[15:27] <Lassiter> Hi Marie!!!!!
[15:27] <Cheekymarie> Good morning :)
[15:27] <NevDullW> one page wonder being essentially a TGP-style page?
[15:27] <stuveltje> well first it wa my mirror pages high on pag rank but this month it is my index what is better on page rank]
[15:27] <Cheekymarie> hi Rowdy, hi Lassiter :)
[15:27] <stuveltje> MARIEEEEEEEEEEEE :updown
[15:27] <Rowdy> NevDullW a tgp page or a SE stand alone page .. either or really :)
[15:27] <Cheekymarie> Hi stuveltje :)
[15:28] <Frank> Well, from what I have heard you need to do a few things with php for it to work well with search engines as far as spidering and indexing goes. You might want to check out TDavid at Script School Radio on Friday's and ask about that one. :)
[15:28] <NevDullW> What's the difference, really, Rowdy?Recips or not?
[15:28] <Frank> Hi CheekyMarie!
[15:28] <Cheekymarie> Hi Frank :)
[15:29] <Lassiter> NevDullW: One-page wonders are usually just pages optimized for SEs.Ya don't even need galleries...just some good text and good cross-links.
[15:29] <Rowdy> NevDull.. the SE "one page" wonders really need not any content other than good text and links :)
[15:29] <Lassiter> Cross-links to other sites of your own that is
[15:29] <Frank> NevDull... Kinda like a tgp page yea. But more specific in targetting a search term. And I usually blind link thumbs to the sponsor and don't give away pics.
[15:29] <Rowdy> damn.. phone... brb
[15:29] <stuveltje> i am with rowdy:updown:
[15:29] <stuveltje> haleluja Frank:lol:
[15:30] <Frank> You can find a "virtual page" project in the Newbie Zone http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/
[15:31] <Lassiter> I can see how you could have a one-page wonder do double duty as a hub of sorts.Great place for money bars and like Frank said, some blind thumbs.
[15:31] <Frank> I had a virtual page #1 in Yahoo/Google for 9 months once. After 2 years it still goes from 4 - 8 usually.
[15:31] <Lassiter> Very cool Frank!
[15:32] <Frank> If you want ANOTHER trick here ya go, lol ............
[15:32] <stuveltje> wtg Frank
[15:32] <Frank> When you do your free sites........
[15:32] <Frank> Just mirror your two gallery pages, "unlink" the thumbs and season to taste for a virtual page. :-)
[15:32] <FoZzI> rowdy? is ce down?lol, it seems like every time I wanna check something out in ce, I runs into some problems
[15:33] <stuveltje> heeeeeeeee fozzi
[15:33] <Frank> Hiya FoZ!
[15:33] <FoZzI> hi all :)
[15:33] <Frank> I miss seeing ya post on the board, hehe
[15:33] <Frank> How the heck ya doin'?
[15:34] <FoZzI> well.. this dad thing.. Takes a heck more of me time, than I though it would
[15:34] <stuveltje> i have seen fozz on the LL board :updown:
[15:34] <Lassiter> Hee...thats a good idea Frank.I owe ya a drink now LOL
[15:34] <Frank> hehe, You're welcome Lassiter! I'll take ya up on it one day :)
[15:35] <Frank> Yup, I hear ya FoZ. It's a experience for sure :)
[15:35] <FoZzI> for at the moment I not doing a heck of alot porn sites .(
[15:35] <stuveltje> i can say i own you a drink then i have to send it by email.lol
[15:35] <Lassiter> I'm gonna try designing my free site galleries for easy conversion to TGP finally.I've ignored plain gallery pages for a while now but I think I'm ready to start testing the waters a bit
[15:35] <stuveltje> i dont like tgp
[15:35] <FoZzI> but Im looking into the CPC google thing
[15:36] <Frank> You and your guy are gonna have to try to make a event one day stuveltje. Maybe you can make it to next Jan. InterNext or something.
[15:36] <stuveltje> cpc google thing???
[15:36] <Lassiter> I just got in under the wire on the Wicked Imaging special offer
[15:36] <Frank> ???
[15:36] <FoZzI> im gonna try that until, I have time to build a shit load of sites again
[15:36] <Frank> Great Lassiter!
[15:36] <stuveltje> frank i have talk to him he wanna go with me.lol. just need t fix the kids
[15:36] <Frank> Oh yea, the per-click thing, OK
[15:36] <FoZzI> thats the one frank
[15:37] <Lassiter> Frank: Lady R & I are gonna split the galleries..half for her sites/sponsors & half for mine
[15:37] <FoZzI> but the damn thing wouldnt show my ads.. stupid thing 
[15:37] <Frank> Hope it works well for ya. It might do good with PaySites but not sure on Free stuff.
[15:37] <NevDullW> Lassiter:If free sites are usually 10 pics/gallery and TGP is up near 20, how are you gonna manage that?
[15:37] <Frank> Personally I think most surfers look at the results and not the ads myself.
[15:38] <Lassiter> NevDullW: My newly acquired prowess with tables. ;)I'll just create 'em so I can add an additional row of thumbs quickly.
[15:39] <Frank> Sounds good Lassiter. Hope it works out for ya. :)
[15:39] <Lassiter> Or more likely, make the TGP pages, and then strip off one row for the free site galleries
[15:39] <Rowdy> back.. sorry bout that
[15:39] <FoZzI> well.. could be, but if you target it well well good, something good might happend .. i dont wanna have a ad for the keyword "porn", than rather "mature black gay"
[15:39] <Frank> Anythings worth a try Foz :)
[15:40] <stuveltje> whe i just started i use pcp but hell now i dont 
[15:40] <FoZzI> well. just testing, Ill let you know how its gonna turn out :)
[15:40] <NevDullW> You shouldn't us PCP.It'll make you jump off a roof. ;)
[15:40] <Lassiter> lol
[15:40] <FoZzI> pcp?
[15:40] <Rowdy> FoZzI.. all should be loading fine now.. the tech/network guys were all over it :)
[15:40] <stuveltje> aaaaah go away surprise bot
[15:40] <Frank> I have some domains I am thinking of just putting sponsor ads on and possibly giving paid advertising a try just once to see what happens.
[15:40] <NevDullW> stuveltje spelled it that way. :)
[15:41] <FoZzI> NevDull, whats you experience with cpc?
[15:41] <stuveltje> did i miss something i was figthing with the surprise bot
[15:41] <NevDullW> None
[15:41] <NevDullW> I'm a newbie. :)
[15:41] <Lassiter> Frank: Paid advertising from where?LLs?ANS?
[15:41] <FoZzI> oh.. sorry this chat is about HUB ... Ill shut up now
[15:41] <stuveltje> well i think i am a newbie but i am for 15 months on the net but still learning
[15:42] <Kre8t0r> hey NevDull thanx for the announcement yesterday : }
[15:42] <Lassiter> SEs?
[15:42] <stuveltje> Kre8t0r???????? Hyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:42] <Frank> If one has a general idea what their conversion ratio's are that will help you do the math to see if CPC might be feasible.
[15:42] <NevDullW> Kre:I wasn't around when everyone showed, but I got it up on the TGP board which then went haywire.Sorry, but was called away from my desk for a while.
[15:42] <Kre8t0r> hello stuveltje : }
[15:42] <Kre8t0r> updown :p
[15:42] <stuveltje> :updown:
[15:42] <Lassiter> Hiya Kre8t0r
[15:43] <Kre8t0r> np man 
[15:43] <Kre8t0r> hello folks
[15:43] <Frank> Personally I think it may be hard to make anything if you have to pay more than 3 or 4 cents per click. But I've never tried.
[15:43] <Frank> Hiya Kre8t0r :)
[15:43] <stuveltje> i did at the beginning, hell dont need that now
[15:44] <Lassiter> brb
[15:44] <Frank> Once again I wouldn't do it myself on any free stuff though.
[15:44] <stuveltje> cost you alot
[15:44] <FoZzI> what do you mean frank? have a ad for your free site?
[15:45] <Frank> You may want to check with your sponsor too. Sometimes there are special cases where you might can get a higher payout if you go that route and send them quality SE surfers.
[15:45] <stuveltje> Foz i did that also, pay alot but no sales with the LL i make sales and a good position in the ses
[15:46] <NevDullW> How many free sites do you have, stuveltje?
[15:46] <Frank> FoZ... Personal for me I would only do CPC if I had a PaySite. Or a straight sponsor page. Anything that will direct that surfer straight to the sponsor.
[15:46] <FoZzI> frank. thats what Im doing.. sending them to a special gay sponsor :))) . not to my free site
[15:46] <Frank> If you check out OverTure you will find people that have sponsor ad pages on there.
[15:46] <FoZzI> stuveltje, to your free site?
[15:47] <Cheekymarie> Hey Frank its a bit early for me - what CPC ???? 
[15:47] <stuveltje> about 150 now and some avs and about 200 tgp
[15:47] <Frank> Cool FoZ, that might can work then. Only time will tell.
[15:47] <FoZzI> your time will come
[15:47] <stuveltje> i have used overture
[15:47] <FoZzI> maybe ad for avs, could be an idea too
[15:48] <Frank> I did the math once and it looks like it may be hard to turn a profit with anything less than $40 - $50 a sale.
[15:48] <stuveltje> fozz that s what i think would be better , just my thoughts
[15:49] <FoZzI> but then I should have a great tour page. but Im crap at gfx
[15:49] <Frank> Cost Per Click Marie :)
[15:49] <stuveltje> you can learn that!!! Fozz
[15:49] <Cheekymarie> ahhh of course lol - told you it was early lol :)
[15:49] <Frank> hehe
[15:49] <stuveltje> early marie ?? waht time at your place
[15:49] <Frank> 2:42 in the evening here.
[15:49] <FoZzI> thats gonna take a few years .. Im , what you could call a slow learner
[15:50] <NevDullW> Evening.hahaha
[15:50] <stuveltje> 21:42 here
[15:50] <FoZzI> 21:42 here too
[15:50] <Frank> I know Marie is I think 15 hours "ahead" of me, lol
[15:50] <stuveltje> lol fozz
[15:50] <stuveltje> heyyyyy fozz wich country??
[15:50] <Lassiter> back
[15:50] <stuveltje> wb lassiter
[15:50] <Frank> WB Lassiter :)
[15:50] <FoZzI> denmark
[15:50] <Rowdy> wb lassiter
[15:51] <stuveltje> ohhhh netherlands here i got family in denmark
[15:51] <FoZzI> wheee. nice 
[15:51] <Frank> I wanna go over there one day.
[15:51] <stuveltje> have visite the country a copple of times.lol
[15:52] <stuveltje> very expensieve there frank.lol
[15:52] <Frank> I see
[15:52] <FoZzI> try going to google as search for "asian gay"can you guys/girls see an ad saying "Asian Gay XXX"?
[15:52] <Cheekymarie> its 7:42am here - but it seems earlier than that
[15:53] <Cheekymarie> sorry was having a debate with someone on icq lol
[15:53] <stuveltje> my brotherinlaw lives there , when he comes to holland he buy alot of stuff here.lol
[15:53] <Frank> I don't FoZ :(
[15:54] <FoZzI> strange
[15:54] <FoZzI> time to email the google team again
[15:54] <Frank> Yup
[15:55] <stuveltje> oke about the hub, can i have more hubs in the hub project
[15:56] <stuveltje> although i am not sure i need them , next quetion how many hbs do you need
[15:56] <Frank> Sure stuveltje. You can do whatever you want :)
[15:56] <stuveltje> mmmmm but do i need more hubs
[15:57] <Frank> stuveltje... I have many small "niche specific" hubs. You just target them for whatever your needs. I think "niche" is the way to go myself. And link to a main hub or link list :)
[15:57] <Rowdy> stuveltje.. you need as many hubs as you can use :) Remember, by combining a typical hub page and more of a doorway page type thing, you have not only a traffic filter but also another SE trap :)
[15:58] <stuveltje> i have a fake LL hub i have there all my free sites and alot of sponsor urls i am still working on it, it has to be a real LL when i am ready for it, i have link all my domains with the hub, what do i need more to do, help???
[15:58] <stuveltje> most of my free sites.lol
[15:59] <Frank> That's cool stuveltje.
[15:59] <Frank> Keeping things to ourselves allows us to do whatever we want without others rules to follow.
[15:59] <stuveltje> it got pr2 after 4 weeks alive so not bad, lol, i got free sites that not even have pr2
[16:00] <stuveltje> and they are 1 year old.lol
[16:00] <Cheekymarie> its a great way to do that stuveltje 
[16:00] <stuveltje> i work my butt of to do that
[16:00] <stuveltje> worked.lol
[16:00] <Frank> I'm not to hyped about the PR stuff. I can be more relevant with real popular search terms. But I have had many #1's with NO pr.
[16:00] <stuveltje> aa go away we talkin ghere
[16:00] <Frank> It* can be more relevant.
[16:00] <stuveltje> here, need light so i can ee what i right
[16:01] <Cheekymarie> turn the light on :))
[16:01] <Frank> It's all in the proper targetting of search terms IMO.
[16:01] <stuveltje> yes but my hub gets alot of ses traffic 
[16:01] <stuveltje> i will do marie:updown:
[16:02] <Frank> Yup, hubs can be good about that because of all the links to them and continual spidering.
[16:02] <stuveltje> so my 2 weeks work on my ses project did work
[16:03] <stuveltje> but because of that i am behind.eeeeekkkkkkkk
[16:03] <Frank> WooHoo, great to hear! You should let us know on the board so others can get motivated to. It's nice to hear when things WORK :)
[16:04] <stuveltje> thank u frank, well i have to say worked hard dropped thing but it did pay , luckly, eeeekkkkk
[16:04] <Frank> Only a few minutes left in the chat today folks. Any pressing issues or questions?
[16:04] <Cheekymarie> I've been working behind the scenes but still working on it in my spare time lol which there isn't enough of but it'll get there :)
[16:04] <Frank> We always have to try new things stuveltje. Never know what may work until you try it.
[16:04] <stuveltje> times fly, marie , great hard working cool woman.lol
[16:05] <Cheekymarie> lol stuveltje - working woman yes... great well lol
[16:05] <stuveltje> yes i am in for new things, even i have to work at nghts, but this evening i got a date with.... my blue eyed blonde husband
[16:05] <Frank> I have had many failures. But the results of the success far out weight the failed attempts :)
[16:06] <Frank> Ho Gdabomb
[16:06] <Cheekymarie> sounds good - I have a date with my man, a walk and a coffee to get the day started then going to lunch with a client lol :)
[16:06] <Frank> Sounds good stuveltje! Hope you have a great evening! :)
[16:06] <stuveltje> mmmmmm i got an other dat:wink:
[16:06] <stuveltje>will frank i will....lol
[16:06] <Cheekymarie> same here Frank and then when you think you have those failures they suddenly become winners down the track :)
[16:06] <Frank> I have a date with making sites, LOL
[16:06] <Cheekymarie> enjoy stulvelje :)
[16:07] <Gdabomb> do you guys allow questions about galleries not getting listed?
[16:07] <stuveltje> lol frank thats great too, i have to pick anight to work 24 hurs dont know when but will b this week
[16:07] <Cheekymarie> yeah so do I - and writing stories and a column today :)
[16:07] <Frank> Sure Gdabomb. The chat is about over but what do ya have.
[16:07] <Cheekymarie> you can Gdabomb ? :)
[16:07] <stuveltje> lol Gdabomb
[16:08] <Gdabomb> I submitted this site jan. 10, and it still hasn't been listed or an email
[16:08] <Gdabomb> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/linkmsgboard/index.phtml
[16:08] <Gdabomb> oops
[16:08] <Frank> You cna always post on the Newbie Board too. http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/
[16:08] <Gdabomb> clipboard
[16:08] <Gdabomb> http://www.dabombxxx.com/blacklez/index.html
[16:08] <Frank> Many don't send emails anymore.
[16:08] <Frank> Are you new?
[16:08] <stuveltje> guys i quit some winking to me, great chat and see you al later
[16:09] <Rowdy> Well all... I want to thank folks for coming out to the chat today as well as participating in the newbie project! We have some very cool future projects on the way soon :)