'~*\!/*~Welcome to Netsurprise! - Newie Chat - project #8 official launch [15:00] Hi everyone :) [15:00] Hiya Rowdy [15:00] Hi Rowdy [15:00] hi all [15:00] Hi FoZ [15:00] hey Rowdy [15:01] hi Rowdy, Lassiter. FoZzi [15:01] Hi Rowdy [15:01] Hi Bestat! [15:01] Hiya Bestat [15:01] Hi FoZzI, Kre8t0r, Bestat [15:01] Bestat howdy :) [15:01] Howdy everyone! [15:01] How's it going for all you fine folks? [15:01] Happy belated birthday Bestat ;) [15:01] hi Bestat, Lassiter, Kre8t0r, kicks, Rowdy, Frank, joe .. who did i miss?:) [15:01] Kre8t0r - newbie project #* - toon site building [15:01] #8 even [15:02] Thank you Lassiter :) [15:03] Been looking forward to getting this "Toon Special" going myself. Should be awesome. :) [15:03] Hiya Denim! [15:03] Hi Denim [15:03] Toons rock!:) [15:03] Hi Frank andRowdy! [15:04] Hey all, Lady R and I are gonna be panelists on an online porn panel at the South by Southwest Media Festival here in Austin in March! [15:04] official? [15:04] Wow!Congrats Lassiter [15:04] * Kre8t0r perks up [15:04] We'll be sure to plug ANS heavily ;) [15:04] helps if I could spell [15:04] Wow, sound great Lassiter. I don't think I have ever heard of that event. [15:05] official sounded better than unofficial huh? [15:05] mirc should invent and install a spell checker LOL [15:05] afternoon, everyone!!!!!! [15:05] Hi Raven and plc [15:05] Hi Raven, Hi plc [15:05] <|erika|> hi Raven [15:05] <|erika|> :) [15:05] Hi Raven, Rowdy Everyone..:) [15:05] Frank" There's a film and video festival once a year, and then an interactive media gathering as well [15:05] hey, rowdy...bestat...erika....plc....all in this room...:-))))))) [15:05] Hi Raven, plc, everyone! Welcome!!!! [15:05] south by southest rocks=) [15:05] khaled said no spell checker [15:05] happy happy bestat...hope you're feeling better! [15:05] Hi Raven!! [15:05] southwest even [15:05] Hi plc [15:05] hey, lassiter :-)) [15:05] hi Raven [15:05] Sounds awesome lassiter. I might need to make one sometime :) [15:05] hi, kicks..nice to see ya :-) [15:06] Hi Bestat Frank,plus anyone I missed ut,l( [15:06] always good to see you :) [15:06] out even [15:06] heyas Raven ltns [15:06] We're going to wait just a few more minutes and then we'll begin on the project with our special guest Bestat :) [15:06] hey, sassy....:-)) [15:06] Frank: They did a porn panel about 5 years ago, so I guess they decided it was time for another one ;) [15:06] hiya, frank :-)) [15:06] oh boy...bestat...:-)) [15:06] lol [15:06] :) [15:07] winona ryder was found guilty...why is that so damned important to report? [15:07] ahh the stars [15:07] LOL [15:07] slow news day? [15:07] must be, bestat..you feeling better now? [15:07] poor winona=( [15:08] Yes, thank you Raven [15:08] hi, spooky..yeah...my heart beats for her, [15:08] I heard she wore a see thru top to court, guess she didnt have enough to please the judge after all [15:08] guess she should be called lostona now eh? [15:08] Awww... I like Winona.Did ya know she's Tim Leary's goddaughter? [15:08] no..she didn't, kicks [15:08] the media has nothing better to talk about... [15:08] Poor Winona??She has enough money to buy shit, no need to steal it [15:08] yes, lassiter...she could have used a new hair do.... [15:08] lol [15:08] i agree, bestat....it was like watching a movie of her stealing over 5 grand worth of stuff [15:09] I did not know that Lassiter, that explains some things....LOL [15:09] LOL [15:09] who's Tim Leary? [15:09] timothy leary....60's.... [15:09] druggie..poet...rabble rouser [15:09] Timoth Leary, the LSD Guru olf the 60's [15:09] plc: You just made me lose whatever hair I had left [15:09] lol [15:09] lol [15:09] well join the club Lassiter..LOL:) [15:10] ok.. are you all ready? :) [15:10] plc :P [15:10] yep [15:10] yes, sir, ready sir [15:10] * Bestat hides her Timothy Leary Poster [15:10] LO [15:10] http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/thread.phtml?ra=va&t=7306that is the thread link (it's not correct yet on the project page [15:10] um...they DO teach timothy leary in schools now [15:10] Great song by the Moody Blues about him [15:10] The project page itself can be found here: http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/project8.phtml [15:10] yep [15:10] I was well into work in the 60's.:) [15:10] Raven: He invented group therapy at Harvard [15:11] that explains it all then Lassiter.:) [15:11] lol group therapy [15:11] * Bestat was well into a lot of things in the 60's :) [15:11] I got my Mickey Mouse pencil ready for this chat...:) [15:11] * Raven wants to hear all about that, bestat [15:11] Ok, I am ready....honest! :) [15:11] * Lassiter spikes the kool-aid and sits back to wathc [15:12] er watch [15:12] * Bestat does not drink kool-aid since that Jim Jones trick :) [15:12] lol [15:12] We are going to be concentrating this project on the proper building of toon sites to make some money :) Bestat has donated some free pics for this as well which can be found on the project page [15:13] way to go bestat=) [15:13] nice...bestat...:-)) [15:13] :) my pleasure [15:13] getting there.;) [15:13] Bestat and Exclusive Content http://www.exclusivecontent.com are awesome :))) [15:13] slow net tonight [15:13] wtg Bestat [15:14] I've been needing to try more Toon sites myself. [15:14] ok.. Bestat, is there any "formula" to follow to a toon site that is different than any other type content site? [15:14] KATH SIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:14] hi Kath [15:14] Hi Kath! [15:14] Hi Tev [15:14] TEV my love.... [15:14] Tev!!!!! [15:14] Hey everyone! [15:14] Raven Sweety! [15:14] Hi Kath and Tev! [15:14] Frrrrrrraaaannnkkk! [15:15] Hiya Rowdy! [15:15] Hi tev [15:15] Bestat! [15:15] hey plc [15:15] hello room :) *hugs* all around :) [15:15] KATH! [15:15] Hi Kath [15:15] Hiya Kath, Tev [15:15] RAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:15] TEV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:15] Well ROdwy, the basics are the same, the real key in toon sites is to sell the fantasy, the aspect that toons can make every desire a reality [15:15] Hey Lassiter! [15:15] BRATT!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:15] Hiyas Bratt! [15:16] Bestat.. so does something like the background make a bigger difference in "mood setting" for a toom type fantasy? Something like a space background or an abstract? [15:16] toon even [15:16] hiya Kath [15:16] Is there any different designs needs for a toon site rather than any other type of site. [15:16] hey Bratt [15:17] hi Kath [15:17] Background and text can go a long way in making the sell certainly. [15:17] Hiya jvastine! [15:17] hi javastine [15:17] hehe, good to see we are more or less in the same boat here :) [15:17] meaning do you think it would have a bigger impact than on just a regular porn site [15:17] are there particular colours that appeal, bestat? or combinations? [15:17] Also, images that tell a story are great too...kinda of a "to be continued" join here type thing [15:17] hello Frank, plc, & everyone! [15:17] like a comic strip type layout? [15:18] hi javastine [15:18] or a comic "strip" layout? [15:18] Defintely!It stands out more in a comic like setting [15:18] so, series would do well, bestat? [15:18] hey, twinkley :-)) [15:18] does vertical or horizontal layout matter with that type cimic strip layout? [15:18] yea, that's what I was wondering Rowdy. Seems that a toon surfer would have a different type mindset than the regular porn sufer that we may be use too. [15:18] hi twinkley [15:18] Bright colors do well with toons imho [15:18] Hello twinkley [15:19] wb [15:19] thanks :) [15:19] Series do very well, TGP's like them too [15:19] hey frank :) [15:19] hey rowdy:) [15:19] Hiya Twinkley! [15:19] That kinda makes sense Bestat. Which would also kinda be the opposite from regular porn sites.... [15:19] Hey Tev, didnt see you sneak in [15:20] hey tev :) [15:20] hiya kicks, I snuck in rather quietly [15:20] In that on regular porn sites a "bright" color may freighten a surfer off.LOL [15:20] Exactly, we tend to make regular sites dark which sells better.But with toons, you are selling the fun/fantasy and color does that better [15:20] but toons can use color a lot more than pics can [15:20] Also true kicks [15:20] got ya :) [15:21] brb [15:21] Also it is important to know what you are selling.Do not use toons to sell an anime site, and vis versa [15:21] ok.. bright... series type .... text... what type of text? same "type" as a standard site or does it need to be "tooned" up ...lol [15:21] good point [15:21] what is the difference in anime and toons? [15:22] I'm seeing making more of "comidy" type pages here rather than regular porn pages. [15:22] Well like I was saying, know your traffic. If it is toons, then use text links like "Every wonder what 60D boobs look like?See them here!" [15:23] wb jvastine [15:23] wb jvastine. [15:23] Anime/Hentai/Bishoujo are all terms that relate to the Japanese Art style, very distinctive [15:23] Toons can be everything else really [15:23] so Toons = characatures? [15:23] >>> Newbie Toon Special - http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/project8.phtml [15:23] ty Rowdy & Frank [15:24] and amime = japanese art style? [15:24] In a way plc, toons can be softcore, hardcore, bi, gay whatever [15:24] Correct plc [15:24] so anime looks like the kids cartoons now days and toons look cool? [15:25] LOL, one way of looking at it. [15:25] so which are we doing in the project - toons? [15:25] Here is an example of anime/hentai http://www.exclusivecontent.com/bishoujosetb/imagepages/image3.htm [15:26] Note, the distincitve large eyes, the type and color of hair [15:26] yep [15:26] This is what anime/hentai surfers are looking for [15:26] and lots of mess..LOL:) [15:26] Bestat, in what frame of mind is a typical visitor to a toon site in?are they "hardcore horny"or are they more relaxed and just have an appreciation for the artwork/fantasy of the toons? Should the ad copy be classy or just downright dirty? [15:27] cool bestat... knowing the difference there is the place for all to begin :) [15:27] Also want to point out that as far as this "Newbie Special" goes. The free content that Bestat will be providing us with will only be available to use for the time of the special. Which you will find stated on the page. [15:27] hellp TEST [15:27] hello that is [15:27] Here are two sample of toons, very different, yet both toons [15:27] http://www.exclusivecontent.com/sexya/imagepages/image2.htm [15:28] My theory of anime characters (anime tv series) is that the larger the eyes, the more clueless the character, 'cause the eyes displace the area normally allotted to the brain. ;) [15:28] aha [15:28] http://www.exclusivecontent.com/bustyb/imagepages/image4.htm [15:28] lol.. that last one is scary....hahaha [15:28] Demin, good question :)Many are into the artwork itself, and I think a classier look is best [15:29] Ok, thanks Bestat [15:29] yeah last one needs help..:) [15:29] The cheerleaser sate from hell....lol [15:29] back [15:29] date from hell that is [15:29] me, too [15:29] Taht last one is a borderline Sailor Jupiter from Sailor Moon, Bestat. (C) issues?? [15:29] There are those of course that are into it for very specific reasons to help them get off.Such as the sci-fi/tenticle crowd [15:30] huummm, now I would have though #1 as toon for sure, but possibly #2 as anime. So that tells ya I was a bit glueless.LOL [15:30] But I was just going by the large eyes. [15:31] Another good question Lassiter, copyright is always forthright in my mind.Parody is acceptable in this niche, but outright copyright using images of characters doing unnatural acts for that character are illegal [15:31] Such as Homer simpson making it with his dog :) [15:31] only because it is homer? [15:31] and he is copywrited [15:31] hide your dogs guys [15:32] Because you would be dipicted him in an act that character would not be known for, and could besmirch the character. [15:32] ok [15:32] but homer doing marge would be ok then? [15:32] It is a very fine line and I strongly urge people not to use any recognizable characters [15:33] sounds like best advice [15:33] Even if you are in the right, fighting Warner Brothers or Disney will cost you all you have [15:33] * plc puts Mickey Mouse pencil back in box [15:33] hi sweets [15:33] hey sweets [15:33] lol plc [15:33] hiya Sweets! [15:33] Hi sweets [15:33] hi sweets [15:33] * sweets ohhhhss! and has to go look at the new project. [15:33] Hey ya everyone! [15:33] hi sweets [15:33] welcome kicks, haven't seen you before. =) [15:33] http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/project8.phtml [15:33] Newbie Toon Special - http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/project8.phtml [15:34] lol [15:34] * sweets grumbles at adultemplates.com [15:34] sweets you just have not looked under enough rocks to find me ;) [15:34] kicks: this would be true =) [15:34] It can be difficult to know what images resemble a real toon character, I do this for a living and some get by me.Guess I need to watch more cartoons :) [15:34] and i have the connection from hell.....DSL tomorrow...folks..i can't keep up with this room....cause my connection sucks.....bestat..thank you....everybody..take care....hopefully, next week..i'll be at full capacity... [15:35] Bestat: Here's the original Sailor Jupiter FYI: http://www.chocobo.org/~Striton/smoon/pics/j14.gif [15:35] hey hey raven! [15:35] Raven has left the building.I am going to follow, I am on a suck ass aol dial up until tomorrow when DSL comes in.Take care every one [15:36] Bestat ... can't say I keep up with all the new toons very well myself either [15:36] So Bestat, do toons have a higher conversion ratio than other types of porn? longer membership lengths? just trying to understand it's advantages over other categoriees... [15:36] Sorry Tev - hope yer all back to normal soon! [15:36] c'ya tev [15:36] take care Tev, nice to see ya today! [15:37] good question Denim :) [15:37] I do see some simalarites Lassiter, hair, pink bows [15:37] Usenet is full of hentai Sailor Moon parodies ;) [15:37] Most definitely Denim!I always tell people if you are going to push toons, go for the partnership programs.The rentention is about 3 to 4 times longer than other porn sites [15:37] sheesh how do ya find time to visit all these laces lassiter..LOL:) [15:38] Thanks Rowdy... I am pulling out all the stops :) [15:38] plc: My wife and I are fanatical anime devotees ;) [15:38] so, where is there a good toon sponsor? [15:38] Wow! nice Bestat! That is what I wanted to hear! [15:38] * sweets used to be a member of a few toon sites many years ago. [15:38] THis is just not my experience, but the same applies for other programs that run toon sites [15:39] Hi Bobbiekey!! [15:39] or even a sponor for toons, I havent runned into one, but I havent look for one yet , that is [15:39] Bobbiekey :) [15:39] hey ya Bobbiekey` [15:39] Hi Bobbiekey! [15:39] heyyBobbiekey...>:) [15:39] Hi Bobbiekey [15:39] There are now many sponsors available in the toon niche, all most all the "big" sponsors offer toon sites now [15:39] Hi Bobbiekey` [15:39] Hey Everyone! [15:39] FoZzI: http://www.exclusivemediagroup.com/;) [15:39] :)):::wave wave wave::: apologies for my tardiness... [15:39] Hi Bobbiekey, are you feeling better yet? [15:40] To list a few in no particular order: Exclusive Media Group, Porn Mega Bucks (both are partnerships) [15:40] starting to Denim... thanks for asking... :) [15:40] Yea, I remember when it started, just like the balloon thing to. Once something new comes out it doesn't take long for everyone to have it. [15:40] Pay per, Max Cash, Mega Porn Bucks, Platinum Cash, ARS [15:41] Yup, TopBucks has Cartoon69 also. [15:41] That's actually how I got interested.... [15:41] I would strongly suggest reading an article I did for the Adult Buzz about terms and text for toon and anime sites, you will find it very helpful [15:41] Good to hear Bobbiekey, drink lots of fluids! [15:41] started seeing a few sales off exit consoles before I ever had a toon site. [15:42] Thanks Denim... will do!...:)) [15:42] OK, Bestat - aside from actual content, what tips would you have for a toon free site, in terms of text, keywords, how to push it to the surfer, etc? [15:42] Toons appeal to almost everyone..and you can even niche target toons as well..Ebony, Gay, Tranny, Goth, etc [15:42] and upsell it [15:42] I may be wrong but it would seem to me that one would get sales just from the "curiosity" surfer as well. [15:43] Sell the fantasy Lassiter, and as with any site, sell what they cannot get on the free site.Anime Movies, Comic Feeds, Manga series etc [15:43] * Lassiter nods [15:44] Manga btw is the term for Japanese Comics, very distinctive again, almost always in pen and ink [15:44] Bestat: is that the Anime Terms 101? [15:44] Yes sweets, that is the one :) [15:44] Bestat: thank you. [15:44] LOL, I was JUST gonna ask ya that Bestat! lol [15:44] Bestat... may I ask a question of you? [15:44] http://www.adultbuzz.com/013002/page12.phtml <-- for everyone. [15:44] Ah...thanks sweets [15:44] There are some really great feeds out there now too, and most sites carry them. Emphasize those [15:44] Lassiter: welcome [15:44] cool, thanks sweets :) [15:45] Of course Bobbiekey` [15:45] yep. =) [15:45] thanks sweets [15:45] hey ya Jinx [15:45] hi Jinx [15:45] thanks sweets [15:45] Hita Jinx [15:45] ok... welcome everyone! =) [15:45] Hi Jinx [15:45] hey [15:45] Thanks for listing that sweets :) [15:45] Bestat.. do you do your own toons? and if so.. do you do them on paper first then scan them? [15:45] Hiya Jinx [15:46] hi jinx [15:46] hi jinx:) [15:46] Bobbiekey`, the only talent I have is to market them :)I have over 30 artists that do work for me.Each has their own style, but almost all of them draw by hand, scan and then retouch [15:47] oh kewl :)) thank you Bestat... [15:47] Bobbiekey, you draw toons? [15:47] yes, my experience from talking to artists that do RPG's as well is a lot of it is going digital as well. [15:47] Yes, do you??? :) [15:47] Bestat, does any of them use the digital tablets for drawing? [15:47] Bestat do anime carry bubbles, like with comic strips? [15:48] well.. i have been asked to try some...i do graphics just drawn with my mouse.. as in CMonk etc... [15:48] plc: Manga does, yes [15:48] thanks Lassieter [15:48] Some do utilize tablets and photoshop coloring, and there are a few that do CGI work.But few artists are good at CGI [15:48] cool, givie it a shot Bobbiekey if it's something you'd want to do. Don't do it unless that's what you want to and like though. [15:49] Bestat, why is that? Just a whole different skill entirely? [15:49] plc, not as a rule no.If it has bubble likes comics, it would be considered Manga or Cartoons vs anime or toons [15:49] well... i thought i would give it a go.... not anime tho... just my own whacked out style.. [15:49] i love to draw and paint... so maybe it would be fun... [15:50] that's the ONLY way to go Bobbiekey. Do your thing and be unique :))) [15:50] I was also a texture lover... people like Dave McKean (sandman covers)... just recently started getting into anime. [15:50] Yes Lassiter, to make the CGI look really good takes a higher level of skill.I have a few sets that are done well, but most I see on the net are just poser pics [15:50] Newbie Toon Special - http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/project8.phtml [15:50] Admit it...We all want to see Bobbiekey drawn as an anime character, don't we? ;) [15:50] can I ask...what's CGIplease? [15:50] Computer Generated Images [15:51] thanks sweets.:) [15:51] Anime is HUGE in the newsgroups and underground..that is why taking it to the paysite level was only natural [15:51] * sweets nods. =) [15:51] welcome [15:51] lol Lassiter... [15:51] I may have a go at some toon drawings some time [15:51] Here is an example of CGI, which I think is some of the best I have seen:http://www.exclusivecontent.com/khan/index.htm [15:52] There is a certain talent aspect of drawing, but most people tell me with that small amount of talent.. it then needs to be developed into a skill with practice... as with anything. [15:52] That is the other great thing about this market, you can create your own content, if you have the talent [15:52] what programs are they using to do CGI? [15:52] That is nice work Bestat.Reminds me of Ananova ;) [15:52] Houdini, and a few others most likely. [15:52] I started off as a Textile Designer many many years ago.:) [15:53] Thanks Lassiter, those images are done by Khan, who many of you old timers know :) [15:53] Maybe Blender (which is GPL'd if you want it)... maybe even Povray. [15:53] Most use the program Poser [15:53] Bestat: oh yeah, forgot about that one. [15:53] Bestat: doing humans is much easier with Poser. [15:54] I believe you sweets, like I stated, I have no talent...lol [15:54] Also for those of you doing the project, I would be more than happy to look over your sites for you if you wish.Just email me. [15:55] I may cheat a bit on this special. I have a few of those 3D Toon sites out there that are no longer doing poop and getting great traffic. May just swap them out since I'll be doing this anyway. :))) [15:55] bestat@exclusivecontent.com [15:55] http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/project8.phtml [15:55] Good idea Frank! [15:55] that page does have the correct thread link on it now as well for posting to the newbie board about the project :) [15:56] I even registered some cool domains I think too. Things like adultporncarttons.com etc... :))) [15:56] cartoons that is [15:56] And of course Bestat has all the 2257 release forms for the toons on file ;) [15:56] LOL [15:57] Bestat: I don't have talent either... but like to mess around with Graphics programs and 3D engines. [15:57] I do have contracts on all my works though, important records are the same no matter what the content [15:57] <<< Will soon be in a toon frenzy.LOL [15:57] * Lassiter wonders if COPA means you cant use a toon image that was drawn less than 18 years ago LOL [15:58] lol [15:58] Bestat, ExclusiveMediaGroup has a 60/40 program right? [15:58] As with "real" content, you should avoid the no-no's. [15:58] correct Frank :) [15:59] Oh, and EMG also offers a free toon of the day program for its affiliates [15:59] Gonna check that out then. I usually like doing pay-per but this sounds like one for a good recurring. [16:00] And if you are promoting EMG we have a double opt in mailer your free sites can be listed on [16:00] Great Bestat! [16:00] Oh cool Bestat! I'll be taking a look for sure. :) [16:00] And no matter who you are promoting, be sure to submit your sites to www.toonplaces.com for some great toon traffic [16:00] oh kewl! [16:01] awesome [16:01] so do we start this project off with the same format as for a usual adult site, but make the changes as suggested here for the toon content? [16:01] hey LilBiggz [16:01] hi LilBiggz [16:01] Hi LilBiggz! [16:01] shit man i missed it right? [16:01] Yep ;) [16:01] yes plc :) [16:01] Maybe some of our Build-A-Thon weekend participants will jump in on this one too. Should be a winner! [16:01] does a toon site need as much content wise to support recurring as a regular site? [16:01]