[15:03] Bet plenty of folks are still catching up from going to the AWE show [15:03] hi FULO [15:03] Last few days have seemed a bit slow... but month has been awesome actually [15:03] hi everybody. [15:03] migh-ty-fine [15:03] Oh you meant webmaster wise! [15:03] That and this time of year can be depressing for some. Getting dark early, family things going on. etc... [15:04] Opti, well, even business isn't back up to par yet. Not on my end at least. [15:04] Frank, maybe [15:04] hello, FULO [15:04] Hello Fulo [15:04] I am all backward rememebr Frank... It's getting hot again here ;) [15:04] I know even I start getting down this time of year sometimes. [15:05] I hate the early nights and such. [15:05] same here Frank :( [15:05] LOL, yea, this is true Opti. [15:05] Hasn't been cold here yet, our norm this time of year is 70. [15:05] But some places like where fetish1 is has already snowed. [15:06] it is down to the 30's here at night [15:06] its like, 80 here [15:06] All of you can keep the cold stuff. I'm not a cold weather person by any means. Hate it. [15:06] thats probably about the same as here... but its getting warmer and the days are gettign longer so iys difffernt I bet [15:06] 30's here as well at night.. high 50's during the day [15:06] same here Rowdy [15:07] Anyone know what 50 is in Celcius? [15:07] I's got a lot of people sick too it appears. [15:07] I use to Opti but no more.LOL [15:07] Opti.. verge of cold....lol [15:07] ummmm like 15 i think [15:08] hehehe yeah I thought so.. I learned both at school but it is gone now [15:08] 15.. mmm... nice :\ [15:08] yup, me too Opti, meteric as well. [15:08] 32 is freezing [15:08] 32 is balmy :) [15:09] 10 [15:09] Good point. I think 32 = 0 celcius [15:09] hiya MrMaryLou [15:09] Hello all [15:09] 10 celc. is 50 far. [15:09] cause celsius suppose to be "true value" [15:09] Hi MrMaryLou [15:09] 10c Rowdy!! Thats way past vergibg on cold ! [15:09] Frank how are ya [15:09] Haven't been up long MrMaryLou,LOL [15:09] yeah [15:09] it does [15:10] Opti.. not when the wind chills in the winter can hit 30 below and worse :) [15:10] Man .. it might sound strange to you.. but i want to experience that [15:10] PM MrMaryLou [15:11] Well well I wonder where all the Newbie's are.LOLFigured they would be interested in a chat on tables. [15:11] Opti... get a big fan.. strip naked, jump in a pool, climb out and get in a freezer, and point the fan at you at full power, ... that's what it's like with clotchs on...lol [15:11] hi TwiceShy [15:11] heya Rowdy [15:11] hi Frank [15:11] hello MML [15:11] hehehe...oh ok... that'll save the airfare I guess too :)) [15:11] hi Kre8t0r [15:11] Hiya TwiceShy [15:11] lol [15:11] Jello [15:12] * tictac is stuck on tables [15:12] ;> [15:12] * TwiceShy perks* Jello [15:12] hi tictac [15:12] hi everyone [15:12] * TwiceShy shakes her head to get the thought outa her head [15:12] hey tia [15:12] Why's that tictac. Actually once you get a few basics down they aren't all that hard. [15:12] hi tictac [15:12] very basic table examples - http://adultplaces.com/netsurprise/tables.html [15:13] if you do a view source, the code is laid out very easy but it is very basic [15:13] ok, let me have a look [15:14] cool Rowdy!After they take a peek at that I have a little thing to show to. A step-by-step deal. Lemme know when ya folks wanna see it. [15:14] I figured yours would be a bit more in depth Frank :) [15:14] I know some things about tables.But I would love to know more :) [15:15] Hi Bratt [15:15] Oh no Rowdy. Actually I like this cause we give them 2 different things... [15:15] Hey Bratt :) [15:15] hiya [15:15] Wasn't complaining a bit dude :) [15:15] You just showed them various ways on 1 page and I can show them a quick step-by-step building deal. That's great! :) [15:16] hmmm...the problem i have is when i split cells and it just ignores my widths, and when to nest tables and not [15:16] HiyaDee! [15:16] hi [15:16] You may need to have a center cell with nothing in it tictac [15:16] my page is just something they can copy and paste a basic table format from... with the cells labeled, it should be an easy modification for someone not to familiar with them [15:16] Hiya Dee [15:17] hi DeEtte [15:17] hello everyone [15:17] OK, I'll quickly go through this one. Most is already what Rowdy already showed you. It's just kinda taking all of that and putting it together. [15:18] k Frank :) [15:18] I like using tables for many reasons.... [15:18] tictac, same problem here [15:18] tictac.. The width statement is a minimum figure not a fixed size so you may need to use shims/spacer pieces to have the table hold the shape you want [15:18] But one of the main ones is if you design with tables your site will be the same on all monitors if you use absolute values. [15:19] Tables Rock [15:20] if ya use them well you can so some real cool stuff [15:20] like a 1x1 gif? [15:20] na [15:20] a blank gif that fits the size you need or desire yes. [15:20] exacctly like a 1x1 gif... and specify the size needde [15:20] that must be what I forget to leave out ,the spaces..I am not sure when to use them [15:20] http://www.fozporn.com/eng/ <- have been working on that one, but the tables doesnt care what I tell them to do .. strange :) [15:20] just stretch the same 1x1 for all shim spots [15:20] So, after Rowdy great example this page is a bit boring Yet, let's start with this http://www.cherryclitz.com/tables-1.html [15:22] ok, everyone there? [15:22] yep [15:22] yep Frank [15:22] im there [15:22] yes [15:22] y [15:22] what I tend to do is think about what type of page I want to design... [15:22] FoZzI... you used a program to write that page .. correct? [15:23] then you can set down with a piece of paper and decide on what tables where you will need to accomplish it. [15:23] FoZzI: http://www.infest.cx/main.html is my effort :) [15:24] so, as you see there I have a simple start leading to somewhere.LOLKnow go here for the next step. http://www.cherryclitz.com/tables-2.html [15:24] I kept the same thing. Yet added a 1 row 5 column table into row 1 of the bottom table. [15:25] rowdy nope [15:26] k FoZzI .. just saw a lot of repeat code which is usually a programs doings :) [15:26] hi jvastine [15:26] Now, to coutinue to build upon what I want my final outcome to be I added another table into row 2 on the original bottom table here http://www.cherryclitz.com/tables-3.html [15:26] Hiya jvastine! [15:26] hi Rowdy & friends! [15:26] looking good Frank :) [15:26] Everyone with me or have any questions up to this point? [15:26] just me , being plain stupid rowdy, nothing more :) [15:27] so you can nest as amny as you want? [15:27] with you , frank [15:27] many even [15:27] Frank Prvts [15:27] Sure can tictac, but always try to stay as simple as possible. [15:27] FoZzI .. wasn't putting it down.. would just take longer for me to review it as I use a stripped down coding style myself :) [15:27] sorry I'm late, what did I miss so far? [15:27] table talk jvastine [15:28] http://adultplaces.com/netsurprise/tables.html [15:28] http://www.cherryclitz.com/tables-1.html [15:28] ok, thanks Rowdy! [15:28] http://www.cherryclitz.com/tables-2.html [15:28] http://www.cherryclitz.com/tables-3.html [15:28] OK, so, naturally there was a reason I wanted to put all those tables like that... so what all those tables were for was this >>> http://www.cherryclitz.com/tables-4.html [15:28] Well the wife is calling me to do some honey do stuff so I gotta run guys have a good one [15:29] You will see that all of that orininally started with that first simple example. [15:29] very cool Frank [15:29] Everyone still with me? [15:29] yup [15:29] yep [15:29] y [15:29] Any questions so far? [15:30] using tables, how is it possible to make a site not look so....square? [15:30] use round graphice ro each corner is one way if you cab do that [15:31] Dee, the images you use can have rounded corners and such. [15:31] LOL, yea, what Opti said. [15:31] DeEtte .. all depends on borders and noborders and background colors... you can do many things like it... even load up a picture that is thesame color of a few cells with the background color on half of it to give them shapes [15:31] how can you make it round? [15:31] just like a large logo cut up :) [15:31] Editing [15:32] Take a paint brush and round the corners to your background color. [15:32] Use a image editor and put pics in round frames, etc... [15:32] i havent tried cutting a large photo and putting it together like a puzzle yet [15:32] OK, now as far as my example that I have put up... [15:33] I didn't just throw that out to be throwing something out,LOL [15:33] Everything I think looks better when you see a actual working example... [15:33] That exact template is this page >>> http://www.triplexwhores.com/latin-assets/sexy-latin.html [15:34] neat! [15:34] looks good Frank [15:34] nice [15:34] cool :) [15:34] Using different color with your tables can work wonders. [15:35] i see that [15:35] As far as rounding. You can always add borders to a page too. [15:36] hi Richard [15:36] I have seen many sites using things like ropes or whatever that are rounded to give a less square affect. [15:36] Hi Richard! [15:36] hi there [15:37] Ok, questions, comments, concerns? [15:37] hi Richard [15:37] i need a url with color codes [15:37] hi, I've not particularly got any comments or questions, I was just dropping in! [15:37] One of the other things I like about tables is this.... [15:37] C:\Internet\Downloads\oldIcq\Received Files\WillyB-One\colorchart.html [15:38] damn.. wrong url...lol [15:38] We are in sales and we want our surfer to focus on our ads and particular parts of our pages. [15:38] i have a question..... what would be a good sponsor for bbw? [15:38] http://www.ac.biola.edu/~brian/csapplet.html [15:38] If you use tables and various colored columns and rows... [15:38] terrorists mine hall ... looks like they prepare to attack .... [15:38] you can pull the surfer attention to various parts of the page. [15:39] oops [15:39] Not sure Brat I don't do BBW myself. [15:39] ty Rowdy [15:39] i don't usually, but have some content, might as well use it.. [15:39] hang on a second DeEtte :) [15:40] I'm sure MrMaryLou would have some good input but he had to dash out. [15:40] i noticed that, i was still waking up.. [15:40] I haven't been up long either,LOL [15:40] Didn't get to bed until about 7 or so. [15:40] i stayed up until about 7:30 myself.... [15:41] I didn't mean to. Just couldn't sleep.LOL [15:41] http://adultplaces.com/netsurprise/colorchart.html [15:41] that one is a bit better [15:41] same here Frank [15:41] i first laid down at 5:30, then got back up until 7:30 [15:41] :)tyvm [15:42] A good plave to use if you ever need to convert one color format into another, like hexadecimal is this place http://www.yvg.com/twrs/RGBConverter.html [15:43] I usually do things in RGB more than hexidecimal so I use that place a lot.LOL [15:44] so tictac, has any of this helped in any way? [15:45] I also encourgae everyone to get a HTML book. It sure helps to have one around. [15:45] I'd like to remind folks we're here http://adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/ al the time to help as needed :) [15:45] im just looking at the source [15:46] Very true Rowdy. All you folks can get much better help if you post your questions and get commens and answers on the board. [15:46] We are a bit limited here. [15:46] Fozzi... if you take franks example andplace all your smaller tables inside it you might be able to work out where to go from there [15:47] I just seem to do tables inside tables inside tables and my pages get huge [15:47] OH, by the way. Since that is my template, please don't use it.LOLLink list will tell me :))) [15:47] Now remember folks.. tables can do great for you but don't get carried away and have 10 tables within 1 as most designs can be done without going overboard :) [15:47] you can obtain an html reference book on ebay forunder $5 [15:47] http://www.infest.cx/main.html <--- is that any good? [15:47] tictac, you may just be putting much more on a page than you need to start with. [15:47] Kinda hard to say with out seeing one of your pages. [15:48] looking [15:48] shoud tables be split with breaks and not within the main table? [15:48] i seem to just be adding more and more tables [15:48] tictac.. ya.. but that top table doesn't need to be contained within the main one as long as the size is set the same [15:49] from what I see there it would take few table on that as I see it. [15:49] but the layout of the page looks good [15:49] so i can do it with less tables? [15:50] kinda depend on where and how you plan on using the colored seperations to. [15:51] I think I see some there. They are so dark and close to the background color you can't really tell. [15:51] I agree.. some could be done with samll graphics instead of tables [15:52] hey rowdy [15:52] and also putting things in mapped images can work too. [15:52] hi PWP-Tazca [15:52] mapped images? [15:53] you could do 1 image for the top and map it with the links [15:53] how does that work? [15:53] Ladyj... an image with embedded links more or less [15:53] yea, that's when you have a image that has hot spots on it that are linked to whereever you want them [15:53] there are programs that do this easily for you [15:53] oh:) thx still so much to learn [15:54] i dont seem to be able to get that to work [15:54] Ladyj.. stop on over at the newbie board and we can turn you on to some real good links :) [15:54] my gallerys links are mapped in this image http://www.cherryclitz.com/teenagerpussy.htm [15:54] hot with dream weaver work great [15:54] hot spots even [15:54] oh I see,that is cool :) [15:55] YES, I know all of you may have some questions and concerns. Come ask on the board. We can sure help. It's a great resource for folks to use. We are here for you, not for us.LOL [15:55] DW does hotspots..or is it dw fireworks? [15:55] thanks Frank. I'm off... bye all [15:55] DW does them [15:55] Have a good one Opti, great to see ya man! [15:56] hmmm didn't know that [15:56] We have a few more minutes if there's questions. I hope to see you folks pop in the board and get answers to. [15:57] pop in what board Frank? Sorry I am not with it today :( [15:57] http://adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/ [15:57] The Newbie Board Ladyj :))) [15:57] ok I am bookmarking now [15:57] :) [15:57] We are all newbie's to some degree. Don't let the name confuse you. [15:58] We have many indepth discussions going on sometimes. [15:58] count on me popping in as I am filled with ?'s :) [15:58] It's a excellent learning tool as well as getting answers to your questions. [15:58] great! [15:58] These chats are great, but very limiting. [15:58] bookmarked :) [15:59] Cool! Look forward to seeing you. We have a lot of great people there. [15:59] We look forward to seeing more folks there... we have tutorials, articles, contributed links, projects, templates and a gret bunch of folks :) [15:59] And, except for this you usually won't see me in a chatroom.LOL [15:59] So if you need help from me you pretty much have to hit the board. [15:59] well I need to get back to buildingwill see ya all at the newbie board soon :) [16:00] k.. have a good one! [16:00] k Ladyj, thanks for being here. always good seeing you! [16:00] I want to thank everyone for coming out to the chat today! :) [16:00] yup, it is that time once again. Seems time flies. Already running over. [16:00] this was a nice break.Thanks guys :) [16:00] thanks alot Frank [16:01] Great seeing everyone. Hope you got something out of it. [16:01] This chat will have logs accessbile soon in the newbie zone for review and we appreciate the support :) [16:01] thanks for the table info. [16:01] Time for me to run so talk to you all soon :) [16:01] thanks Rowdy :) [16:01] glad to help :) [16:01] Hope to see all of ya on the Newbie Board too. Have a great day everyne! I gotta be heading out. [16:01] C ya later Rowdy! Have a great day. [16:02] By all, hopw we all make some money today. Hope to see ya next week too.