[15:00] Good day everyone! [15:00] Hi Crawdad and Denim [15:01] howdy Frank [15:01] Hi Frank and Crawdad [15:01] Hope all works out for your friend in the hospital [15:01] hi Denim [15:01] How you doing Denim? [15:01] he's still there frank, but it's just one of those things [15:01] I am ok, just recovering from a chest cold... [15:02] Been awhile since I saw you drop by the board. [15:02] I was out of it for a few days [15:02] he's an old man that's been sick for a really long time, so it's not coming as anything of a surprise [15:02] ah I see. Man, there has been soooo man people sick lately. Me to, but not real bad yet. [15:02] :/ [15:02] hi all [15:02] I see Crawdad [15:02] hi Lassiter [15:02] 'sup Crawdad [15:02] Hiya Lassiter [15:02] hiya Rowdy [15:02] Hiya all :) [15:02] I think it is the change in weather... but I am back! [15:02] Hiya Rowdy [15:03] Hi Frank, Rowdy [15:03] Hello Taz [15:03] hiya Taz [15:03] Hello jvastine [15:04] hi PWP-Tazca and jvastine [15:04] hello everyone! [15:04] hello [15:04] hey rowdy :) [15:04] Hi EclectiXXX [15:04] hi EclectiXXX and twinkley [15:05] Hiya twinkley [15:05] Hi folks! [15:05] hi EclectiXXX [15:05] how goes it Lassiter? [15:05] what's todays topic? [15:05] Going great Rowdy [15:05] open... but wanted to touch base on the present project as well [15:06] Open Topic jvastine and also anything that anyone may have lingering on Newbie Project #7 [15:06] hey frank :) [15:06] ok, thanks Rowdy. [15:06] Was gonna tell anyone that is doing Newbie Project #7 that's it's about time to start getting it wrapped up.... [15:06] I need to catch up on the newbie projects [15:07] We have some other good things coming up later. :))) [15:08] Seems many have be quiet a lot recently.LOL [15:08] afternoon, everybody :-))))))))))))))) [15:08] hi Raven hugs to ya! [15:08] Hiya Raven [15:08] hugs back at ya, Crawdad..how are you today? [15:08] hey, frank!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [15:08] http://www.pornoplaces.com/darkhairedamateur/ got to tune this up yet and lighten the background but then it will be ready :) [15:09] I know many have been sick for sure. :((( [15:09] Hiya Raven! [15:09] good good [15:09] ROWDY!!!!!!! [15:09] how come everybody's so quiet? [15:10] I'm hoping I won't have to leave early today but the folks with the new garage door parts will be showing up wwithin the next hour or so sometime [15:10] Raven.. we are waiting for words of wisdom from ya :) [15:10] rofl...don't have any.....today. i packed 'em [15:10] Frank.. weather changes always increase the illnesses [15:10] Hi Raven! [15:10] hey, lassiter :-))) [15:10] lol Raven [15:11] sure does Rowdy. I know that's my problem. Plus a lot of stress.LOL [15:11] i gotta go shopping this afternoon for some new pants for the AWE show.have gotten too fat to wear the one's i have [15:11] i'm in this struggle with tev now..he wants my computer..and i won't give it up [15:11] LOL Raven [15:11] you gonna take crawdawg with you to the AWE, CD? [15:11] no Raven, he'd be miserable [15:11] are you sickie, frank? [15:11] he's going to grampa's house [15:11] oh, you're a good daddy...CD... [15:12] hell with stress... tried it and didn't like it :)) [15:12] Not to bad Raven. Just stuffie and drained a little. Have other issues that have been bothering me more than anything. [15:12] I have a question... as a newbie what dhould I be working on to build my business? Everyday I submit one tgp gallery and build and 1 free site.. plus work on my first linklist... is there anything else I shouldbe doing on a routine basis? I know it depends on one's preferences [15:13] Denim.. allow a little time for networking and learning as well.. the rest will follow :) [15:13] Se Submits [15:13] * Lassiter is envious of Denim's productivity [15:14] EclectiXXX.. I agree.. everything built should be thought of in SE value as well as traffic [15:14] That's a good progression Denim, you are surely on the right track.... [15:14] i'm sorry to hear that, frank..i read your post [15:15] That's all part of it. It's all a building process that eventually ends up with a small empire built up... [15:15] Ok Rowdy, I just notice that my growth and knowledge thus far seems to come in spurts... at first I was just building tgp galleries then i discovered AVS and made more money on those then I got into Free sites and submitting to linkslists which is just now starting to pay dividends [15:15] so I was jsut wondering if there is another game I should be looking at to diversify further [15:15] Having many sites and tgp gallerys out there adds up as you go which means more money coming in as you go... [15:16] brb phone [15:16] Denim .. linklist, virtual pages, hub pages, toplists usage ... it never really ends [15:16] hi Strohm3 [15:16] rehi all [15:16] hi raeahn [15:16] Then as Rowdy mentioned, networking, hitting the boards, etc... gets your name known which is a BIG part in this biz... [15:16] hi rowdy [15:16] Hi all [15:16] hi everyone!! [15:16] cool... i guess you just have to build up slowly but surely and have patience... here is my linklist thus far - it is not finished yet... http://www.pornhero.com [15:17] Denim are you doing basic AVS or Premium/Gold/Platinum type stuff? [15:17] Other things can follow sometimes from that. You may think of new ventures of your own to get into one day. [15:17] I've got one I'm ready to launch too -- http://www.youngfuckingteens.com (teen only link directory) [15:17] Hi Sthrom3 and raeahn [15:17] howyd frank [15:17] I have made all my money on Premium AVS sites... I build the regular sites just for feeder traffic [15:17] hey hey Frank [15:17] ahh ok cool [15:18] Denim.. looks good but don't forget the "obvious link exposure" for those impatient surfers. I mean have a good size sponsor link stand out on the first visible area for the easy sells :) [15:19] Rowdy, what do you mean by the first visible area? You mean at the top of the page? [15:19] raeahn... very nice layout and good looking site. The teen market is a tough one though. Very saturated. Also because of legalities many try to stear away from even the word "young" anymore. [15:19] yes... the first place their eyes will focus on... doesn't have to be huge but it should stand out from the rest a bit [15:19] thx frank :) [15:20] VERY hard to get a link list started and producing however. [15:20] raeahn.. why the resize script? (Does look nice btw) [15:20] Many think they will get traffic back from there listings. This is usually NOT the case... [15:20] Rowdy the layout skews in higher than 800 x 600 [15:21] Ok thanks Rowdy... :) [15:21] The main thing that both of you need to ask yourself is WHERE your traffic is coming from? [15:21] raeahn .. bummer.. ya might want to try some table work with blank gifs to prevent it... put the whole site in tables and then have theblank gif load on one side so the site will always load correctly to the right. [15:22] the whole site *is* in tables :) [15:22] A site with no visitors is usueless. So where are you folks gonna get your traffic? [15:22] Good pooint Frank.. I pump a few thousand hits a day into my lists from my own traffic sources [15:22] frank -- I'm also setting up a smallish content section (a few galleries, etc...) and will hit the TGP sites [15:22] you want tgp traffic to a link list? [15:23] get 'em in there for the galleries, and let 'em explore the links [15:23] will that not degrade the quality of traffic to the link list? [15:23] I've been surfing toplists looking for places to submit some sites to, and I'm curious about something... whta's up with these lists that only have other toplists, which only have other toplists, and so on?No actual content or ofeten even a visible sponsor os some of em [15:23] Frank, Iput a link back to my linklist on all my free sites but I would love to hear more on the virtues/vices of a linklist [15:24] I want to make sure I am spending my time on projects that have a good ROI [15:24] Denim, sites hardly never send traffic back to a link list. Unless maybe it is specially made to do so. [15:24] To a degree maybe.But I also plan on a massive initial link campaign.I'm going to add a bunch of links myself and email the webmasters requesting recips. [15:25] Denim.. problem is though.. off of free sites you have to give the link you are sending traffic to a bit more exposure like it's a sponsor in order to get any decent quality traffic. A linklist that can send traffic with no sales is a slowly dying linklist :( [15:25] Just remember folks. You probably won't get hardly any traffic from sites... [15:25] There is somewhat of an incentive to recip, fortunately.Good recips get priority placement and sites that send the most traffic show up on the top referrs list that posts on every page of the site [15:25] true [15:25] but the link popularity will help in the SEs [15:25] Sites aren't for traffic they are for link popularity.... [15:26] true raeahn. But you have to think that those with the top listing have been around a long time and have 10,000 + sites in them to. [15:26] i have TONS of pages that link to the beaver and get very very little traffic from those links, they are there for link pop like frank said [15:26] Link list can work for sure. But give it 3 years or so to build up. [15:27] Ok this is what i need to hear thanks Frank and Rowdy, so what should I work on then? If I submit 1 tgp gallery a day, build and submit 1 freesite is that enough building/submitting for one day? Should I spend the rest of the time networking and reading up on the biz? [15:27] I agree.I'm not doing this to support myself.I have a web design biz that does that.This is just for a little extra money [15:27] Exactly Crawdad :))) [15:27] good deal raeahn... [15:27] Me to Crawdad..but I'm more for getting the bookmark... [15:27] been requiring a recip for about ten months and get very very little traffic from those buttons [15:27] Denim, time to explore some "other" stuff [15:27] I have some LL's coming out to. But they are for specific purposes of my own. [15:28] scroll back Rowdy listed a few things [15:28] Denim: I'd say try to keep track of where your traffic is coming from, and to the degree possble where its going to as well...work on optimising your sites, recips, etc. for good traffic and good conversions. [15:28] Denim.. only if you are happy with the results those activities are producing [15:28] Denim... there's never enough you can do... [15:29] you can always build Search Engine sites and many other things. Just depends on what you are pleased with. [15:29] I'm not requiring button links.Just text links.I see so many sites with rows and rows of button graphics -- I imagine the user gets desensitized to them pretty quickly [15:29] I think that many think that just because most link list only allow you to submit 1 site a day that's it.... [15:30] hey vahn [15:30] Hey whats up [15:30] Link list aren't everything. You can surely do as many search engine sites as you want with no rules that you have to follow. [15:30] Hi vahn [15:30] Hi [15:30] Frank you mean submit to search engines? [15:30] Hi vahn [15:31] Im writing a shoutbox from scracth.. I got the bulk of it done, just trying to figure out how i want to limit the max amnts of shouts [15:31] Rowdy, what is a "virtual page"? [15:31] Denim: Im way behind on doing this, but for example, I try to make a small 2-3 page mini-site for every 4-page free site I do, specifically for niche-specific toplist submissions.Most toplists will let ya play more than link lists will, so I can do smaller galleries, a few pop-ups etc. on the mini-sites. [15:31] No Denim... I mean you can take the site you did for the link list. "Mirror" it and make a few minor changes. Then submit it to the link list to. [15:31] A stand alone search engine page [15:31] You know whats funny.. I was up 5 hours tryin to figure out what was wrong with the code. Ended up nothing with the php was wrong, was the html:x [15:31] what's a shout box? [15:32] www.wastedyouth.org look on the left menu, near bottom [15:32] its like a message bored but just for short comments [15:32] Look over some of our projects in the Newbie Zone Denim, you can find some good info in there. http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/ [15:33] Denim: The toplist site idea is in the newbie projects area of ANS. [15:33] i see [15:33] Ok, thanks guys [15:34] This shoutbox is the first script i've written for like 6 months, took me a while for everything to come back heh [15:34] Anyway, can anyone explain my toplist question from earlier?I'm guessing they have to do with SE link popularity again, but I see very little selling going on on 'em [15:35] is making freesites still a good idea?i mean instead of an avs?do they still make sales? [15:35] my directory has a webmaster ctrl panel where they can see all the sites they've submitted, track the hits that are going to their sites, edit their lstings, etc... [15:35] it's nifty [15:35] Lassiter, I'm not a TopList person like Rowdy is. But to me opList are more for "taffic routing" more or less. [15:35] |= [15:36] Get the person there, then push them to where you want them to go and sell there. [15:36] Thanks for the input Lassiter, I am going to look into the toplists game... [15:36] Frank: Ya, I'm just trying to figure out whats being routed to where, when you end up in just an endless circle jerk of toplists linking to nothing but other toplists. [15:37] Lassiter.. I generated 75% of my sales last month thru my toplist sites :) Just got to find the right ones to play! [15:37] How much do you guys generally make in a month from AVS, if you dont mind me asking? [15:37] Rowdy: Oh, I get the basic toplist idea ok...I'm talking about a specific type of toplist that doesn't really list sites or even sponsors...just other toplists. [15:37] I agree Lassiter. Like Rowdy said I guess it's all in not going overboard and using the right ones... [15:38] There's no doubt that I don't see how anyone is making sales in endless circle jerks. [15:38] I bet spookyx makes $1.98 [15:38] lol tia [15:38] Lassiter.. ahh.. circle jerks...lol [15:38] Frank: But have you seen the type of thing I'm talking about?There must be 100s of em out there like that [15:38] tia,i was not going to say anything=) [15:38] lol [15:38] Rowdy: Din't want to bring back any summer camp memories for ya LOL [15:38] What ya been up to Sthrom3? Haven't seen you in 4ever it seems. [15:38] i did not want to brag [15:38] hahaha [15:39] not at all [15:39] anywho, if anybody wants to submit their teen sites, feel free.the site gets a little bit o' traffic already and I've not yet even begun listing it places [15:40] Strohm3 that is. I can't spell today :((( [15:40] I got the TGP bug bad Frank...it's and endless fix..lol..following Crawdad and Ker8tors lead...hehehe [15:40] where's your traffic coming from raeahn? [15:40] no known cure strohm [15:40] Cool Strohm3, if it works that's what counts. :))) [15:40] anyone know how to reverse the order of a list in a flat file? [15:41] tia -- some typins, some from the fact that whoever owned it before me must have submitted to SEs.I'm in Yahoo and I never submitted the site [15:41] I don't know anything about scripts, programmning, etc... myself. I let others do that for me.LOL [15:41] LOL [15:41] me too frank [15:41] What's up FoZ? [15:41] I would say I enjoy the tempo that that side of the buis..moves at Frank [15:41] if i dont get totally pissed off first, i feel very satisfied from makin my own scripts and shiznit [15:41] your site will get crawled from being listed on another site that's listed raeahn [15:42] Yea, I can see that Strohm3. No doubt there :) [15:42] the directory is empty at this point, so I dont' have recips pointing to me as yet. [15:42] in fact, that's the best way to get listed.. much better than free submit [15:43] sorry all.. the garge guys showed up and I have to go check the situation out. Thanks for coming out to the chat and I'll leave ya all in Frank's hands :) [15:43] bye Rowdy [15:43] have fun [15:44] k Rowdy [15:44] Take care Rowdy [15:44] bye Rowdy :) [15:44] http://adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/ stop by and post when you can! :) [15:44] have a great day! [15:44] Welcome back EclectiXXX [15:44] tks clicked on the wrong tab... [15:44] hehehe [15:45] lol [15:45] Oh, by the way, a couple of my free sites came up in Google's top 10 listings for the specific search terms, one of 'em in the #1 position.They aren't there NOW, dammit, or I'd send ya the URLs ;) [15:46] So all yer advice about SE optimization is paying off! [15:46] congrads Lassiter [15:46] That's cool Lassiter. They will come back around one day. Google was really weird the last time. Many lost top listings. [15:46] Google changes search algorithms a couple of times an hour, I suspect ;) [15:47] lol [15:47] that's great Lassiter, and yeah, wait till the next crawl before you do anything [15:47] Trying to tell Lady R.. "No really, honey, they were there yesterday, honest!" [15:47] haha [15:48] "Yeah, sure, right...lay off the wacky tobacky already" [15:48] Well, no programs are perfect and I think things just happen over there by accident sometimes. [15:48] they messed up big time on this last crawl.. I saw sites listed #1 that had all kinds of spam tactics and stuff you can get banned for [15:48] Well, ok, it was google.de not google.com, but I'll take the listing where I can get it ;) [15:48] yup, no doubt, Google was all messed up this time for sure. [15:50] heh yeah that's for sure [15:50] We get some sales from .de land [15:51] Probably late next week or early the one after that expect another decent crawl I hope. [15:51] Looks like it happened on the 28th of last month I believe it was. [15:51] Which means... (drum roll here)....get those sites up and running folks, right Frank? ;) [15:52] True Lassiter, but I hope there's already many SE ready sites out there. :))) [15:52] I gotta get all my Latina and Brazilian stuff back in the Tops again.LOL [15:52] Well, I'm still trying to get some listings for my hubs.They show up occasionally, and then they're gone. [15:53] yep it was the 28th Frank [15:53] I guess I need a lot more sites linking to the hubs before the SEs will take notice [15:53] Hubs are weird it seems Lassiter, dunno why but they do tend to come and go more than a site per sr' [15:54] I'm trying something different with my freesites for this next crawl.. if it works out I'll let you guys in on it :) [15:54] Frank: interesting.I don't really change 'em up much except to add new free sites, etc. to the lists. [15:54] But ideally, they ought to be search-term heaven [15:54] cool tia.... after the last deal I too popped out a lot of different things. Always gotta keeping trying various tactics to see what works for sure. :) [15:55] oh yeah, I'm always trying different things. it's fun for me, but I learn a lot from it too [15:55] i gotta split everyone, gotta make a run to town... hope everyone has a nice day today! [15:55] take care Crawdad [15:55] see ya Crawdad :)) [15:55] bye Crawdad [15:55] boy that's the truth. We can sure learn just by experimentation. [15:55] see ya Crawdad [15:56] later Crawdad! [15:56] I've never had a good listing for my hub.. and I think I figured out why [15:56] looking forward to seeing everyone at the AWE show this weekend! [15:56] why, tia? [15:56] I have learned a lot off the occasional accidental listings.LOL [15:56] because I tried to put too many keywords in [15:56] hmmmmmmmm [15:56] same here Frank.. lol [15:56] great point tia.... [15:57] a hub is many things.. but to try to get listings for all those things on one site.. very unlikely [15:57] * Strohm3 blindly submits to S/e's but doesn't have a clue of how they work...lmao [15:57] Many times on a hub "unless it is a niche specific targetted one" we can surely get to many things going. [15:57] hmmmmm again ;) [15:57] Butttt... let us remember the "purpose" too.... [15:57] A HUB is kinda like a TopList..... [15:58] oh yeah.. but it doesn't change the purpose to try to get a good listing [15:58] It is for "traffic routing" [15:58] With every click a surfer makes gives us another "ad" opportunity. [15:58] yep.. that's how I use mine [15:59] Run them through ads going to the hub and out of the hub.... [15:59] We actually DON'T want the surfer going to our sites and burning more BW.... [15:59] We want to sell them something from point A to B, and B to C. [15:59] so that's the reason for the ads going in [16:00] and of course the ones going out are self explanatory [16:00] I try to do that now Frank...putting FPA's before most of my last link out ot the hub on the free sites [16:00] should a hub have its own domain or can it just be a folder on an existing domain? [16:00] Now, going directly to the hub is kinda a personal preference in a way... [16:01] hey TDavid [16:01] hiya TD [16:01] Hi TDavid [16:01] hi TDavid [16:01] Denim, doesn't have to. But having a domain to me is overall better than just a page.... [16:01] I don't think it matters how your hub is set up .. as a main domain or a subdomain [16:01] Many Link List started as HUBS. [16:02] A HUB is actually just a mini link list anyway to a degree. [16:02] oh that's true Frank' [16:02] OK, what do y'all think of this...it's a multi-niche hub so there's not a clear theme, but we have both amateur, asian, and bondage/fetish free sites, so... LOL [16:02] hello everyone :) [16:02] http://www.pussiporn.com/pussipornlinks.htm [16:02] Any obvious things to change or not do here? [16:02] do people spell pussy with an i? [16:02] Lassiter, if you have enough sites then break it up into mini "niche specific" hub. [16:03] You then run the surfer to the mini hub first with links to the main hub. [16:03] Frank: Not enough of any one niche yet, but I am "tweaking" one page to emphasize amatuer/asian (this one ) and another to emphasize the bondage/fetish [16:03] This is a GREAT topic to put up on the board Lassiter. Many can learn from it there. [16:04] Lassiter, but you can maybe fill in with sponsors or even get with someone and share some links. [16:04] Frank: I do that with the bondage sites...we have a banner farm that actually gives us good traffic, even though they aren't supposed to work anymore LOL [16:04] i was actually being serious there, lassiter with my question above. I wonder if sometimes misspelling sites can be pretty effective [16:05] If you get time Lassiter let's put this topic on the board. This is a great one for folks to learn from.:))) [16:05] TDavid: I dunno.Pussyporn was taken, and pussiporn sounded kinda cute in an amateur girl sorta way so we took it ;) [16:05] LOL, works for me TDavid! :))) [16:05] FRank: Sure thing ;) [16:05] My BAD typing has paid off many times :))) [16:06] well the "i" and "y" key are only an inch apart on the keyboard or so [16:06] Too early to tell whether I get any accidental traffic that way, TDavid.Most of it seems to come from off of the free site exit traffic right now [16:06] OK folks, man time flies, it's already time for me to have to end the chat and head out. These are all great things that can be further discussed on the board. Many can surely learn from it...