[14:00] *** WillyB changes topic to 'The Wednesday Newbie Chat - TOPIC IS: Successful Business.. And How to Get There!~*\!/*~Today is Wednesday - March 6th~*\!/*~ Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Webmasters Only!!!' [14:00] no prob tia [14:00] when do things pick back up? [14:00] hiya tia [14:00] Have you ever noticed that the sponsors tend to ad a shitload of sites in the Jan-Mar timeframe,lol [14:00] hey tia! [14:00] Welcome to the Wed Chat! [14:00] yeah I have Frank [14:00] *** lassiter has joined #netsurprise [14:01] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v lassiter [14:01] hi lassiter [14:01] howdy y'all [14:01] tia.. that's why we have two of them.. because some folks can't make it to one or the other of them ;) [14:01] that's when our business picks up like crazy [14:01] Hi Rowdy [14:01] hey Willy :) [14:01] *** HippyDude sets mode: +o Rowdy [14:01] *** HippyDude sets mode: +o Frank [14:01] that cause they're gearing up for the slower summer, get more "diversity" and choices out there. [14:01] hey lassiter [14:01] hiya lassiter [14:02] hi lassiter [14:02] Hiya WillyB...say, the ANS link list rejected my AVS site 'cause it sez the URL does'nt work..but it does! ;) [14:02] isn't Surprise spelt wrong? [14:02] lol [14:02] Hi Tia, Frank! [14:02] *** venturi has joined #netsurprise [14:02] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v venturi [14:02] hiya venturi [14:02] hey venturi! [14:03] it's your HT Access lassiter [14:03] *** cheapunix has left #netsurprise [14:03] put the url up here Jinx [14:03] *** cheapunix has joined #netsurprise [14:03] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v cheapunix [14:03] maybe it's pulling it off your hard drive [14:03] hi [14:03] I did not come from the avs.. so it sent me to the main page again [14:04] Jinx, not according to the dictionary,lol [14:04] resubmit it lassiter.. since you mention it I will trust you have content on the inside and it's all good.. I'll approve it for ya [14:04] WillyB: Ah, I see.Well, it's the official AdultCheck .htaccess, so I guess unless ya wanna enter from the front end to check it out, I'm screwed, eh? [14:04] Get the Buzz about the Bizz at http://www.adultbuzz.com/ - The Adult Buzz! [14:04] nah [14:05] OK tnx! [14:05] hi venturi [14:05] sure.. I'll be checking the list again here in about an hour ;) [14:05] so if ya get it in right after newbie chat it will be listed in a few hours [14:06] WillyB: I'll try to multitask over here and get it to ya before the chat ends ;) [14:06] you're so prompt WillyB [14:06] Yer a gentleman and a scholar ;) [14:07] LOL [14:07] Gentleman Willy :) [14:07] Frank [14:07] cool lassiter :) [14:08] hmmm.. kinda waiting to see if a few more folks show up before we start the chat topic [14:08] wow, wish I could think of something good to post so security_man could come in and remind me about submit tool,lol j/k [14:08] haha [14:08] Jinx.. where is it spelt wrong??surprise ??? [14:08] lol Frank [14:09] yea, those two newer newbies that were in here Monday were cool [14:09] was really going great at the end [14:09] we just got a cool domain name mp3-downloads.com [14:09] cool [14:09] oops.. .net that is [14:09] oh, that is cool tia [14:09] wow tia! [14:10] *** vitvs has joined #netsurprise [14:10] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v vitvs [14:10] now just make a deal with the record labels and you will be in biz big time! [14:10] it's mp3-downloads.net I think it's a good one [14:10] hiya vitvs [14:10] hiya vitvs [14:10] hi vitvs [14:10] hiya vitvs [14:10] *** furball is now known as furball|Coding [14:10] hi to all :-) [14:10] so do I tia [14:10] *** LE_TheStatistician Quit (Connection reset by peer) [14:11] what's the topic today? [14:11] don't thing I've ever seen you before vitvs, you new? [14:11] Topic is: Successful Business.. And How to Get There! [14:11] yes -- just like-to-be a newbie :-) [14:12] you're in the right place vitvs :) [14:12] cool, good to see ya here. Good place to be. [14:12] TOPIC IS: Successful Business.. And How to Get There :) [14:12] just reading your board for a few days and collecting knowledge [14:12] damn it Willy... you are a quick little shit today [14:12] lol [14:12] hahaha! [14:12] great to here, you're on the right track, nice to meet ya. [14:12] *** LE_TheStatistician has joined #netsurprise [14:12] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v LE_TheStatistician [14:12] wb LE [14:12] thx :-) [14:12] thanks [14:12] still had it in copy from putting it in the channel topic Rowdy! [14:12] damn ISP [14:13] wb LE on her damn ISP [14:13] now we need to get ya posting too, lol [14:13] hey wb LE :) [14:13] oh.. you cheated huh? me to...lol [14:13] rofl! [14:13] lol [14:13] right vitvs post your questions so everybody can learn [14:13] so I won't be an active chatter for this moment -- just a lurker [14:13] everyone has something to say, the newbie more than any sometimes. [14:14] we're all new everyday in this biz,lol [14:14] be active... benefits ya tremondously [14:14] and getting newer all the time Frank :) [14:14] definately vitbs.. and .. you can search the newbie board (and all the boards) for a keyword.. like htaccess.. or what ever you are looking for help on.. the answer may already be on the board ;-) [14:14] Frank!!! [14:14] sup dude [14:14] hiya K! [14:14] Kre8t0r!!! [14:14] hey tia [14:14] hiya Kre8t0r :) [14:14] I had no idea how clueless I really was before coming here.Wait, that doesn't sound quite right.... ;) [14:15] lol lassiter [14:15] Hi Kre8t0r [14:15] we will grow ya up lassiter! rofl [14:15] lol.. yep [14:15] LOL [14:15] i know -- the board is great well of hints and ideas :-) [14:15] yup [14:15] ok.... anyone ready to start the topic? [14:15] ya! [14:15] have tips on ALL markets [14:15] Easier way of gwoing up than, say, prison.;) [14:15] er growing [14:15] * LE_TheStatistician has notepad ready [14:15] yea, there's many lurkers too. Alot more than one would realize,lol [14:15] we are glad you came up to see us from 'lurker ville' anyway vitvs :)) [14:15] Successful Business.. what is it? [14:16] checks in my mailbox [14:16] :p [14:16] that's the bottom line all right K [14:16] I am wondering about this now Rowdy :)I know you are successful [14:16] <-- lurker;) [14:16] Everyone has their own ideas but as I see it, Successful Business involves doing legitimate, legal business in which you enjoy yourself as well [14:16] I am too Uinael.. more than I probably should be [14:16] for us.. networking is the most important thing we do for our business [14:17] making money is great! but.... making tons is not realistic for a starting point any longer [14:17] very true tia [14:17] the adult world is a tight little group, and the more people that know you the better off you are [14:17] yup [14:17] that is totally correct tia [14:17] ok but what about the regular webmaster that doesn't have a resource to promote [14:18] they should network too LE [14:18] you never know where a deal is going to be made [14:18] Personally... if you are running sites and not going into major debt... you already have a Successful Business if the other points apply as well [14:18] I don't have anything to promote,lol [14:18] do so [14:18] ANS :p [14:18] heh [14:18] hey, having a good name got me to ANS, hehe [14:18] when you network you leave yourself open to all sorts of opportunities [14:19] LE ... thier benefit of networking is the varied input of information that they can apply thier own knowledge on and expand :) [14:19] true tia, that's what got me here. [14:19] I'd say then you promote yourself to other ppl.. as you will gain from things you may not know of yet [14:19] i went to vegas without a site or anything and pimped myself [14:19] *** venturi Quit (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] tia: what do you mean by network? [14:19] but how does that help the webmaster with selling to surfers and making money? [14:19] some people start off by building a paysite, and end up in a totally different area.. the adult world has many facets [14:19] and for the most part... online networking doesn't cost anything but time (multitaksing is so important!...lol) [14:20] so right Rowdy [14:20] ahem Frank :p [14:20] *** Buzzard has joined #netsurprise [14:20] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Buzzard [14:20] hehe [14:20] hello all [14:20] Buzzard!!!! [14:20] someone ask about why go to events the last chat. I told him to think of it like this. If there was a opportunity to come up. Who would get it. Someone they have "personally" meet and liked or someone they only know from on-line? [14:20] Hiya Buzzard!!! [14:20] knowledge LE! There are things I tell those I network with that I do not post anywhere or write in any articles... thus.. it's a benefit to some (well.. some think so anyhow hahaha) [14:20] very true Frank that face to face makes all the difference sometimes [14:20] I think LE the advice from others .. and for instance.. an email from a links list owner as to why your site is declined.. or a heads up that your pics or banners are broken.. etc [14:21] *** Snikks has joined #netsurprise [14:21] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Snikks [14:21] Hiya Snikks [14:21] hey [14:21] hello Snikks :) [14:21] Hi Rowdy [14:21] hey Snikks [14:21] WillyB [14:21] tia [14:21] but is that networking or just correspondence? [14:21] true WillyB, I screwed up a submit last week. They fixed it for me and listed me. Someone else may have been deleted. [14:22] networking is correspondence with mutual benefitin mind [14:22] correspondence is one part of networking. [14:22] that is networking.. in my estimation LE.. if it is business related conversation .. [14:22] they are both close and can encompass each other [14:22] most of my contacts have come from networking where after repeated exposure to someone (no .. snikks.. not that way!...lol) has resulted in future business deals. It's hard to establish the same openess thru e-mail [14:22] rofl Rowdy! [14:22] lmao [14:23] !!! [14:23] lol [14:23] couldn't resist :) [14:23] 8)) [14:23] lol [14:23] basically because I knew he'd "nail" me if I left that open...lol [14:23] and LE does networking better than anyone I know .. hehe [14:23] lol [14:23] hahahahah [14:23] lol [14:23] as far as making money and helping with that.. for a good example.. Snikks has to KNOW the person he shows a new site to for advice.. [14:23] *** Crawdad has joined #netsurprise [14:23] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Crawdad [14:23] or he will not show it [14:23] Hiya Crawdad [14:24] hiya Crawdad [14:24] hiya Crawdad :) [14:24] hi everybody [14:24] you betcha WillyB [14:24] hey Crawdad! [14:24] darn we gotta quit talking about ya now. [14:24] lol [14:24] Crawdad is In the House!!!!! [14:24] SHHHHHHHHH [14:24] good or bad, as long as their talking about me i'll always be remembered [14:24] lol [14:24] hi ya Crawdad [14:24] to bad Crawdad... ya just missed the most important part of business success... bummer :) [14:24] but what about the people that never get the opportunity to attend a conference aren't they left out in the cold? [14:24] lol [14:24] lol [14:25] lol rowdy, guess i'll go find me a real job now [14:25] we can't attend conferences LE and we do very well! [14:25] this is a conference [14:25] LE... networking thru chat's and boards are great! No traveling required :) [14:25] that's where message boards and chatrooms come into play LE .. not as good as face to face, but better than email [14:25] but Frank was just saying that you have better chances of suceeding if you attend conferences [14:25] imo [14:25] being from europe it is quite impossible for me to attend any us-based conference too lol [14:25] haha Crawdad... don't sweat it dude.. we're still around to tolerate ya LOL [14:26] cool deal rowdy.... [14:26] you do LE.. I'd have to go along with that.. and that would be classified as a business expense well worth making [14:26] LE, well not always, I do think if one wants to ever get into that "big player" category then you have to go out and do face-to-face. But last Jan. Vegas was my first one and I had always done well. So NO you don't have to. [14:26] and he's right LE.. you do have a better chance but if you can't do it.. there's still a good chance that you'll succeed without it [14:26] so it's not absolutely necessary [14:27] With some folks you will increase chances by attending a conferance... but at the same time... there is plenty of folks that will help your business that you can meet thru the boards and chat that never even attend a conferance [14:27] and a webmaster shouldn't be discouraged if they can't attend? [14:27] vitvs, yea I hear ya. There many foreign webmasters. But some places over there too have there own deals going on. I think they do in Aussy anyway. [14:27] I worked for one guy for almost two years before I even met him :) [14:27] Several euro conferences scheduled [14:27] <<< has never meet Rowdy yet,LOL [14:27] and he signed the checks...lol [14:27] i've worked for a few people that i've never met [14:27] One is in April [14:27] *** venturi has joined #netsurprise [14:27] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v venturi [14:28] wb venturi :) [14:28] venturi!! [14:28] I know what you mean about a webmaster feeling discouraged LE if they can't attend.. there's lots of pressure to go to these things [14:28] Hell, I was married to someone I don't think I ever meet, lol [14:28] lol frank [14:28] lol [14:28] tis no great thrill Frank.. many have told me that one...lol .. so don't feel that you're missing out on anything :) [14:28] *** LilBiggz has joined #netsurprise [14:28] * Buzzard prefers not to meet people he works for :) [14:28] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v LilBiggz [14:28] wb venturi [14:28] hahaha [14:28] hi LilBiggz [14:28] hey LilBiggz!! [14:28] Hiya LilBiggz [14:28] hey LilBiggz!! [14:28] Little Bigman!!! [14:28] hi everyone, i'm late again... lol [14:28] LILBIGGZ IN DA HOUSE!!! [14:28] Hi ya doing! [14:29] lol frank [14:29] wassup biggy biggz [14:29] "The Stressful Business" how appropriate. :) [14:29] We'll send ya the bill LB [14:29] Hi ya LilBiggz [14:29] doin good and you [14:29] Hey LilBiggz [14:29] hiya LilBiggz and ROOM! :) [14:29] lol frank.. good one the ex deal (bit of a lag at times here for some reason today) [14:29] where are you located vitvs? [14:30] fuckson dsl provider at it's best [14:30] LE, just for curiosity why won't you be able to make events? [14:30] czech rep. don't consider it as a disease pls lol :-)))) [14:30] ummm verizon that is...lol [14:30] has quit irc ... I am one my way to the AWE! [14:30] watch cha talkin bout 2day guys? [14:30] hey I like Czeck chicks,lol [14:30] Hi LilBiggz [14:30] Successful Business.. And How to Get There! [14:30] me too... lol [14:30] LilBiggz [14:30] hi lassiter [14:31] hi willyb [14:31] Oh I make the ones I want I'm just playing devils advocate :) [14:31] I'll have to come see ya one day, you can hook me up,lol [14:31] dang this Roy Buchanan is soundinggreat!!!sorry but our office has been changed around and the music sounds great okokjust call me a Whore [14:31] I thought so LE, lol [14:31] i need to go there... :- ) [14:31] * WillyB knew that LE [14:31] TOPIC IS: Successful Business.. And How to Get There [14:31] I don't think there's any need to say it Buzzard .. lol [14:31] our blood is mixed a bit -- that's the reason of their beauty [14:31] and it's a good thing to have too.. make ya think about and help assimulate the concepts [14:31] your a whore Buzzard,lol [14:32] ok... damn 600k + acces... only delayed a few minutes... POS :) [14:32] u must be assimulated willyb [14:32] LOL Buzzard ya whore! LOL [14:32] thanks Frank I needed that [14:32] lol [14:32] There's a Euro Meets America webmaster gathering in Amsterdam [14:32] lol [14:32] lol [14:32] hehehe Crawdad.. no.. just assembled! LOL [14:32] the next key to success.. build, build, build [14:32] I need to go somewhere they don't extridite,lol [14:32] hehehe, i'm a closet trekkie [14:32] thanks LE ... in april? [14:32] yes [14:32] hi crawdad, didnt see ya there... [14:33] *** TDavid has joined #netsurprise [14:33] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v TDavid [14:33] * WillyB slinks away from Frank [14:33] wassup biggzdaddy [14:33] hi td [14:33] hiya TDavid :-) [14:33] always be doing something to improve what you have or be building something new [14:33] Hi TDavid, you feeling any better? [14:33] and there is another euro gathering either right before or right after that [14:33] hey TD!! [14:33] What ya want to bet the asshole down there routing the dsl today drives a ford? LOL [14:33] hi TD! :) [14:33] hows that beaver man? [14:33] lol [14:33] lol rowdy [14:33] hello everyone :)) Yes, I'm feeling better :) [14:33] Hiya TDavid [14:33] lol@Rowdy [14:33] Great to hear TDavid!!! [14:33] so to the topic: i am considering to start at the free-pages... how much is the reasonable amount of them for a starter? [14:33] the beaver is still caged, tentative release, april 1st [14:33] * TDavid did some coding for a ford dealership last week [14:34] 3 cheers for TDavid!!! [14:34] kewl [14:34] OK, question...I'm a small webmaster with a half-dozen sites (though I'll be getting into some new areas real soon now, like a member site and content provider).What kinds of business could I do at an even that I cant do via web & email networking? [14:34] one is a good number to start with vitvs [14:34] finally TDavid.. something at Ford that will work! [14:34] er "at en event" that should say [14:34] Go make Kre8t0r work! Post lots of questions on the TGP Board at www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/tgp/ [14:34] vitvs.. you can save yourself much time and hassle by going to the member's area of NetSurprise and downloading the site templates.... they are complete with instructions and very easy to modify :) [14:34] vitvs, you must mean "free sites". Anyway there is no limit. Build as many as you can. I really didn't start making much of anything till about the 50 or 60th sites or so. [14:35] I feel for ya TDavid... (that would of made me sick to! lol) [14:35] 50 or 60?ouch lol40 more to go for me [14:35] and those site templates vitvs.. the newbies built those for a newbie project.. lots of cool stuff happens at ans newbieboard [14:35] yup, pleanty of resources in the newbie areas and great projects too [14:35] i'm only up to 11 free ones frank, your killin me bro [14:35] Uinael: I know whacha mean ;) [14:36] Uinael.. if you have ten .. you have fifty once you mirror them :) [14:36] well, you have to be making some sales, [14:36] to all: many thanks for suggestions [14:36] anybody else get their taxes back and their estimations were way off? [14:36] the first 20 or so were learning, lol [14:36] sounds like you did pretty good TD, am I right? [14:36] i really need to write a script to audit our accountant [14:36] TDavid.. my accountant hasn't called me back.. and I'm not to damn eager to call him so no idea yet...lol [14:36] stop frank.... [14:36] Frank, I noticed on the boards the other day, you push for 100 hits a day for your free sites, how long can you get hits off of old sites before they stop sending you traffic? [14:36] Yeppers.. there are over 830 pages on Adult NetSurprise .. all devoted to the Business of making money in the adult webmastering biz [14:36] hehe, haven't even started my taxes TD [14:36] what do you mean by mirroring? is it just slight modification of pages? [14:37] Frank: Yeppers...I'm just getting to the point where I might be able to build a site that isn't a "learner's" experiment [14:37] old sites can get traffic for almost ever Uinael [14:37] it copying a page vitvs [14:37] vitus.. look at project #4 here http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/members.phtml [14:37] usually to add more links to get more traffic [14:37] it deals with mirroring [14:37] well really good? hmmm, well last year had to pay extra $8k, this year extra $12k, and my accountant just mumbles and hands me the bill. I'm thinking about getting her on the radio and grilling here [14:37] also Uinael .. you never know when a site will be picked up by a spider.. could be in a month.. could be in a year [14:38] hmmm that's a 404 Rowdy [14:38] ouch TD, sorry to hear that. [14:38] *** Bestat has joined #netsurprise [14:38] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Bestat [14:38] ahh good point [14:38] ok there it is [14:38] ok so I attend one of these events and what should I be doing or who should I be looking for to make my business more successful? [14:38] Hi Bestat [14:38] Hi Bestat [14:38] must admit i didn't register untill now... :-)) sorry [14:38] Howdy all! [14:38] hey Bestat!! [14:38] hi bestat [14:38] lol, grilling or drilling, lol she may need a good drilling [14:38] hi bestat :) [14:38] Hiya Bestat [14:38] it works here tia [14:38] hello Bestat! [14:39] i mean how can you be off by $3,000 per quarter in estimated payments? [14:39] yep I got to it Willy [14:39] Bestat!!!!! [14:39] How are all you fine folks today? [14:39] LE.... time being used.... either site building, researching, networking and so on... but time is what success takes [14:39] Gotta go do some office work...I'll be logging tho. [14:39] That's screwed TDavid! [14:39] if my irc cuts off the url.. it will do that too thiugh.. try going to a page named with an .ht extension! hehehe [14:39] Been there TD :( [14:40] LE, to me it depends on what your future plans may be. For me having good one-on-ones with the owners of a program give me the opportunity to cut deals [14:40] * TDavid will have to break his piggy bank again [14:40] got a question gys, do you guys update your free sites or just build em and move on? [14:40] *** lassiter is now known as lassiter-awk [14:40] that's a good point Frank, don't be afraid to contact people [14:40] *** lassiter-awk is now known as lassiter-afk [14:40] I re-visit them if they get good listings on the SE's LilBiggz, otherwise I dont [14:40] Say if you have traffic and a good idea, you may can get them to give you more per-signup etc... [14:40] 12000 in a year TD??? That has to be a mistake! [14:40] update somedo nothing to others [14:40] LB... some maintance but it's a secondary cause.... building new always takes the lead in time demand [14:40] ok but I'm a little webmaster. I don't have a ton of traffic to sell or trade. I don't have a paysite. And I don't know how to network, what should I do? [14:40] sponsors want you to sell their sites.. if you want to do something they say is against the rules... write them and ask [14:41] k [14:41] yup, there's plenty of under-the-table deals made,lol [14:41] more pages more listings, got it... [14:41] willyB, once upon a time I did all our taxes but alas no time for them anymore [14:41] LE.. you should go to the newbie message board and say Hello Folks! :) [14:41] you gotta start somewhere LE.. I'd say start by making a free site.. and learn how to do it well [14:41] TDavid.. If it makes ya feel any better... had HR Block do my taxes one year..... that blunder cost me 32K in late payments and taxes that they didn't figure wuite right. [14:41] yep, would be nice for LE to pop in and say hi! [14:42] * LE_TheStatistician hangs head in shame [14:42] you don't need you're own content to start.. sponsors have some you can use for freesites [14:42] lol [14:42] lol LE [14:42] my buddy's accountant really screwed him, he has a 50k bill, so yes I think i'll just shut up and pay lol, thanks rowdy :) [14:43] lol... well wasn't trying to make ya fell that damn good about it....lol [14:43] I wont bore you with my tax woes..just state that I would trade for the 12, 000...lol [14:43] j/k :) [14:43] seriously though LE.. if you don't know anything and don't know where to start, and don't know where a webmasters board is.. you have not much of a chance.. [14:43] to me it's good to set yourself a goal. Either a number of sites. or a set amount of money. Then set a date to achieve. That will give you something to build toward. [14:43] TDavid if I had your moneyI would burn mine!!!! [14:43] lol Willy.. tis true.. you do have to have a little initiative [14:43] so the topic is "Successful business" ? [14:44]