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[14:00] <+MrMarylou> Thanks Annieb
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[14:00] <+Pitlord> Happy B-Day MrM...
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[14:00] <+Pitlord> Hi Raven
[14:00] <@Frank> Hi LadyR
[14:00] <+MrMarylou> Thanks Pitlord
[14:00] <+LadyR> Hey all :)
[14:00] <+Annieb> i'm going to Chuckie Cheese to celebrate you Birthday
[14:00] <@WillyB> hello everyone!
[14:00] <+Pitlord> 8^)
[14:00] <+MrMarylou> Cool
[14:00] <+Pitlord> Hey WB
[14:00] <@Frank> lol
[14:01] <+Pitlord> I'm going to Disneyland!!!
[14:01] <@WillyB> hello LadyR :)
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[14:01] <+MrMarylou> Hey I am going to the Bathroom soon LOL
[14:01] <+Pitlord> OK... well maybe I'm not...
[14:01] <@WillyB> hiya loveslave :)
[14:01] <+LadyR> Hi there WillyB!
[14:01] <+Pitlord> Hi loveslave
[14:01] <@Frank> hiya loveslave
[14:01] <+loveslave> hiya Willy, what's shakin?
[14:01] <@Rowdy> Hi loveslave
[14:01] <+loveslave> Hiya frank!
[14:01] <+Pitlord> Did LB set his alarm?
[14:02] <@WillyB> roscoe's whips I bet loveslave hehehe!
[14:02] <@WillyB> J/K!
[14:02] <+loveslave> Hi Pitlord
[14:02] <@WillyB> or is that.. You wish?
[14:02] <@WillyB> hehehe
[14:02] <+loveslave> Roscoe doesn;t even own a whip :(
[14:02] <@Frank> lol
[14:02] <@WillyB> he needs to get up to date! lol!
[14:02] <+loveslave> if he did he wouldn;t know what to do with it
[14:02] <@WillyB> rofl!
[14:02] * +Pitlord takes a peek in the toy closet... "hey someone took all the whips!"
[14:03] <+loveslave> He goes to the dungeon but all he does is think about how well it would photograpg
[14:03] <+Pitlord> sounds like Roscoe needs some lessons
[14:03] <@Rowdy> lol
[14:03] <@Frank> lol
[14:03] <+loveslave> I hear ya Pitlord...
[14:03] * +LadyR could cheerfully oblige :)
[14:03] <+loveslave> The question is, LadyR, are you ion Denver?
[14:04] <+loveslave> in
[14:04] <+Pitlord> Can I take pictures?
[14:04] <+loveslave> You need a LOCK on your closet Pitlord
[14:04] <@WillyB> whips and chains are valuable things ;-)
[14:04] <+loveslave> Usually Roscoe takes all my pictures...
[14:04] <+Pitlord> LOL... all those thieven loveslaves
[14:05] <+LadyR> sadly not at the moment, but if I'm ever passing thru...
[14:05] <+LadyR> lol
[14:05] <+loveslave> but I can be bought for a higher fee :)~
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[14:05] <+Pitlord> Hi Lezmaster
[14:05] <@WillyB> hello lezmaster
[14:05] <@Frank> they can be WillyB, I'm more of a lash man though,lol
[14:05] <@Rowdy> hiya lezmaster
[14:05] <+lezmaster> good afternoon everyone
[14:05] <+Pitlord> Master of Lezzies
[14:05] <@Frank> hi lezmaster
[14:05] <@WillyB> lol Frank
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[14:05] <+loveslave> I'm no theif, I'd just wait int he closet for you to find me
[14:05] <@Rowdy> hiya Ravenia
[14:06] <+Pitlord> LOL... you're cruisin for a bruisin eh?
[14:06] <+loveslave> hi lezmaster
[14:06] * +Ravenia does a quick change out of leather into a robe lol
[14:06] <+Ravenia> hey ther Rowdy!
[14:06] <+loveslave> If i play my cards right...
[14:06] <+Pitlord> Raven can I take pictures?
[14:06] <+Ravenia> oportunist :D
[14:06] <+loveslave> My question is why bother with the robe?
[14:07] <+Ravenia> cause it's January, loveslavelol
[14:07] <+lassiter> Darn, ya'd think all these guys would be jaded by now... ;)
[14:07] <@WillyB> rofl Ravenia!
[14:07] <+Ravenia> if guys got jaded we'd be out of business
[14:07] <+loveslave> Are you in cold territory too Ravenia?
[14:08] <+lassiter> I mean our fellow pornmeisters ;)
[14:08] <@Frank> it's 73 here right now, damn
[14:08] <+Ravenia>Austin is cold to me-- I've aquired thinsouthern blood lol
[14:08] <@Rowdy> 73 ... that hurt!
[14:08] <@WillyB> wow Frank!
[14:08] <@WillyB> tell me about it Rowdy! lol!
[14:08] <+lassiter> Its downright warm in Austin today, but that will change tonight & tomorrow
[14:08] <@Frank> yep, really weird for AR
[14:08] <+loveslave> I moved to Denver from Florida....All I can say is I have permanently hard nipples out here...
[14:08] <@WillyB> hahahaha
[14:08] <@Rowdy> lol
[14:09] <+Ravenia>that could be amusing
[14:09] <+Ravenia> ;)
[14:09] <+lassiter> My breath frosts up when it gets below 70 ;)
[14:09] <+loveslave> we have snow today...
[14:09] <+Pitlord> loveslave... you need to stop eating from the dog dish in the snow
[14:09] <+loveslave> Where are you Lassiter?
[14:09] <+Ravenia> that's cause your nose is pressed to close to the pute screen, lass
[14:09] <@Rowdy> we had 50 yesterday... although about 25 with wind shill ... lol
[14:10] <+loveslave> i only eat from dishes on the floor INDOORS...
[14:10] <@Rowdy> chill even
[14:10] <+Ravenia> Pitlord-- don't tell loveslave to stop, I was just getting into it :D
[14:10] <+lassiter> loveslave: Austin TX
[14:10] <+loveslave> I was born in Austin!
[14:10] * +Pitlord hands Raven the leash
[14:10] <+loveslave> Don't worry Ravenia, It takes a lot for me to stop...
[14:11] <+lassiter> loveslave: Far out!Probably looks a lot different now..when did you leave?
[14:11] <+loveslave> darn, I left my collar at home today...
[14:11] * +Ravenia grins at the possibilities-- and tries a few more exotic commands
[14:11] <@WillyB> almost 60 today
[14:11] <+loveslave> My parents had the audacity to move me to NY when i was only 2 yrs old, don;t remember it al all
[14:11] * +Pitlord goes to the toy closet and grabs a collar
[14:12] <+Ravenia> ever prepared! a good man to have around!
[14:12] <+loveslave> Oooooohhhhh, role playing, I'm game!
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[14:12] <@WillyB> hiya EclectiXXX :)
[14:12] <@Frank> on which end lassiter,lol
[14:12] <+EclectiXXX> Hi folks!
[14:12] <+Pitlord> Hi EclectiXXX
[14:12] <@Rowdy> hiEclectiXXX
[14:12] <@Frank> Hi EclectiXXX
[14:13] <+loveslave> hiya eclectixxx...
[14:13] <+lassiter> Frank: take a good look LOL ;)
[14:13] <+Pitlord> Raven... I was born ready
[14:13] <@Frank> lol
[14:13] <+Pitlord> LOL
[14:13] <+loveslave> Ravenia, are you the Raven Roscoe met in Vegas?
[14:13] <+loveslave> Where are you Pitlord?
[14:13] * +Ravenia toses out a nice leather mummy bag to keep loveslave warm
[14:14] <+Ravenia> nope loveslave-- yet another one of those inumerable Ravens
[14:14] <+loveslave> I was set on fire the other night to be kept warm
[14:14] <+Pitlord> I'm as close to nowhere as you can get
[14:14] <+Pitlord> Kind of a limbo state that's neither CA or OR
[14:14] <+loveslave> Oh, Utica, NY then...
[14:14] <@Rowdy> ok.. think we've waited long enough? Anyone want to see the next Newbie Project?
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[14:14] <@Rowdy> hi roscoe
[14:14] <+EclectiXXX> sure
[14:14] <+lassiter> Pitlord: Oh..I thought u were gonna say Jersey ;)
[14:14] <+roscoe> Hey roady !
[14:14] <+loveslave> sure rowdy, go ahead
[14:14] <@Frank> Hi roscoe
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[14:14] <+roscoe> rowdy also :))
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[14:15] <+Pitlord> Project, Project, Project... ya ya ya!!!!
[14:15] <@WillyB> hello roscoe
[14:15] <@WillyB> hi ya plc
[14:15] <@Rowdy> hi plc
[14:15] <@Frank> I agreed Rowdy, I'm sure ready,lol
[14:15] <+plc> Hi everyone
[14:15] <@Frank> hi plc
[14:15] <+lassiter> hi plc
[14:15] <+roscoe> Frank, willy awesome to see ya folks..
[14:15] <+Pitlord> At least Jersey has a shopping Mall
[14:15] <+Pitlord> Hi pic
[14:15] <@Frank> you to roscoe
[14:15] <+plc> Thanks for the invite :)
[14:15] <+lassiter> lol!
[14:15] <@Rowdy> Ok, the purpose of this project is to use one basic design (with slight modifications) for mulitple things such as free sites, avs sites and tgp pages.
[14:16] <+Pitlord> there are people in Jersy too right?
[14:16] <@WillyB> hehehe
[14:16] <+lassiter> Pitlord: yeah, but they never admit it
[14:16] <@Rowdy> If this is done is "steps" a somewhat steady flow of traffic can be maintainted
[14:16] <+Pitlord> and you can at least SEE a city from jersey.
[14:16] <@Rowdy> http://uncensoredfreexxx.com/LesboSluts/infographic.htm
[14:16] <+plc> Did I miss any Rowdy?
[14:16] <@Rowdy> nope plc .. just starting
[14:17] <+roscoe> hey would any who sees raven have her contact me..
[14:17] <+plc> ok thanbks
[14:17] <@Rowdy> :)
[14:17] <+Pitlord> errr. Raven... have you seen Raven?
[14:18] <+Ravenia> LOL
[14:18] * +Ravenia gets a mirror
[14:18] <+Ravenia> nonot for about a month
[14:18] <+Ravenia> :(
[14:18] <@Rowdy> The idea is for everyone that wants to be involved to build their own version by using the other as a referance point only really
[14:18] <+Pitlord> LOL... k... when you see her tell her to contact Roscoe
[14:18] <+Ravenia> k
[14:18] <+Pitlord> Rowdy... use the link you just posted as a reference point?
[14:19] <+lezmaster> Rowdy, I like your choice of niche :) lol
[14:19] <@Frank> What a awesome project! This is gonna be a money maker for sure.
[14:19] <@Rowdy> Pitlord... the pages that are on there for examples :)
[14:19] <@HippyDude>Want to make some Money? Click Here -> http://www.fantasymanmoney.com/ <- It's time to make some Money!!!
[14:19] <@Rowdy> there are examples of all styles all made from one basic site there
[14:19] <+plc> Do we follow the same format as at the URL..?
[14:19] <@Rowdy> lol Lezmaster .. kinda figured ya would :)
[14:20] <@WillyB> Here is an explination... http://uncensoredfreexxx.com/LesboSluts/explanation.html
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[14:20] <@Rowdy> format = menaing using the other to see how one site was altered slightly to create the illusion of other sites
[14:20] <+Ravenia> would you bother to put each free site onn its own domain (does that help feeder traffic?)
[14:21] <@Rowdy> Ravenia .. I would advise to do this on one domain, then repeat for as many subdirectories and other domains as you wish
[14:21] <+Pitlord> not a cock in sight... I love it. (unless it's my cock)
[14:21] <@WillyB> I would put 10 - 20 - 30 sites on a domain Ravenia
[14:21] <+Ravenia> gotcha :_
[14:21] <@WillyB> lol Pit!
[14:21] <+Ravenia> :)
[14:21] <@Rowdy> once a person has three or four templates styles made up for the basic, quite a few "alternate" sites can be built
[14:23] <@Frank> good point Rowdy, once you have various templates is a simple process of popping in the images and a few minor alterations to fit the new theme.
[14:23] <@Rowdy> By keeping a asteady flow of traffic I meant by building your free site, then making index pages, you can recieve traffic while you either mirror that site as another free site or an AVS site, then when the linklist traffic dies down a bit, you can use the tgp pages made from the galleries to get some traffic back up
[14:24] <+lezmaster> Pitlord, I agree!
[14:24] <@Rowdy> that traffic can go to sponsors or even the avs sites that are built
[14:24] <@Rowdy> Now the examples have three galleries although one could change that at will
[14:25] <+Pitlord> Are we supposed to use the same content for the inside of our AVS? or just the sample area?
[14:25] <@Rowdy> These sites were actually started off of the templates available to Netsurprise members :)
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[14:25] <@WillyB> Also Frank .. always naming the content the same thing will help with the speed and work with making new sites
[14:26] <@Frank> hi Strohm3
[14:26] <@WillyB> hello Strohm3
[14:26] <+Strohm3> Hiya All
[14:26] <@Rowdy> Pitlord... content would be up to you .... the examples were built off of only thirty pics although a person could use any amount of assortment of their own images when they build
[14:26] <@Rowdy> so things could be completely different per site
[14:27] <+Pitlord> WB you mean like "lezpic01, lezpic02, etc."?
[14:27] <@WillyB> yes
[14:27] <@Rowdy> the sites that are listed off that page are just examples.... not really a template to use... the theory works with almost any ddesign a person can coome up with
[14:27] <+Pitlord> Rowdy... don't we need to have an AVS site before we get started?
[14:28] <@Rowdy> Pitlord... no... you build one ... get it approved and you're good to go
[14:28] <@WillyB> I name mine 01.jpg 02.jpg and the thumbs as th01.jpg th02.jpg.. then I never have to touch the links to the images except to change the path to the directory they are in
[14:28] <+Pitlord> So, I should build an AVS site before I start the project?
[14:28] <@Rowdy> this project just shows how the one basic design can be used to build everything... speeds up the process and so forth
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[14:28] <@WillyB> no Pitlord .. start with the free site I'd say
[14:29] <@WillyB> build the AVS last
[14:29] <+Pitlord> OK.. so I could leave out the AVS part until I have an AVS I need to send traffic to
[14:29] <@Rowdy> pitlord... if you want to start with an avs... that's up to you... if you only want to do free sites... it's up to you as well... I prefer to use the initial one site to build all of it :)
[14:29] <@WillyB> or in any order you want
[14:29] <@Rowdy> you can choose one thing or the whole project... whatever works best for ya :)
[14:29] <@WillyB> yep .. you can leave out the tgp pages as well, if you don't do tgp
[14:30] <+Pitlord> Will the LL's list the site variation if the have the same content?
[14:30] <@WillyB> yes, but the idea is not to submit them to the same LL's
[14:30] <@WillyB> er no, they won't ! 
[14:30] <+Pitlord> LOL... k that's what I thought
[14:30] <@Rowdy> Pitlord.... I wouldn't try the same list with the same content... (even though the different sites have the same content on the example)although you usually can mix some old with new and get listed
[14:31] <@WillyB> that is why you use different pages for different groups of link trades .. about 6 - 10 or so per site
[14:31] <@WillyB> or what ever will work for you best
[14:31] <+Pitlord> Like the way Submit tool works...
[14:31] <@WillyB> always experiment and don't be afraid to try different LL's you have not tried before
[14:31] <@Frank> yep, having 3 gallerys to work with can help in that to, heck even with two, you can have new pics in one gallery
[14:32] <@WillyB> you never know what kind of traffic it may be getting
[14:32] <@Rowdy> yep Frank
[14:32] <@Rowdy> good point willy!
[14:32] <@Frank> yep WillyB, that's how I found a few good ones, search and trial and error,lol
[14:33] <+Pitlord> OK cool.. this seems more like a site development system than a one time project
[14:33] <@WillyB> nice explanation page Rowdy :)makes it easy to understand and follow
[14:33] <@Rowdy> thanks Willy :)
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[14:33] <@Frank> that's true Pitlord
[14:34] <@WillyB> well.. teach a guy to build a site that earns money, and ya don't have to teach him to fish! lol '-))
[14:34] <@Frank> there ya go WillyB
[14:34] <+Strohm3> ?
[14:34] <@WillyB> you will get more bang out of your time too Pitlord, it looks like to me :)
[14:34] <@Rowdy> yes Pitlord... it is more or less.... although everything is basically a learning process :)
[14:34] <@WillyB> you have a question Strohm3?
[14:35] <+Strohm3> I'm sorry maybe more of a coment about LL
[14:35] <@WillyB> that is true Rowdy.. you can incorporate hubs and link popularity in with this system too, and expand on it like that as well
[14:35] <@Rowdy> hi Strohm3
[14:36] <@WillyB> np.. go ahead Strohm3 :)
[14:36] <@Frank> what Strohm3?
[14:36] <+plc> can you explain a hub please WillyB
[14:36] <+Strohm3> I notice different LL's for differnt reasons have a nack for pushing 1 niche better than another..
[14:36] <@Frank> plc, picture a bicycle wheel
[14:36] <+plc> yep
[14:36] <@Rowdy> all sites are more or less like that Strohm3
[14:37] <@WillyB> a hub site plc links to all of your other sites.. can be like a link list of all your own sites
[14:37] <@Rowdy> traffic from different sources and so forth
[14:37] <@Frank> what a hub is, would be a center place where all your site connect
[14:37] <@WillyB> or a real free site with all links going to your other sites.. no sponsors
[14:37] <@Frank> you can say have 1 page with all your sites listed on it
[14:37] <+plc> ok thanks WillyB
[14:37] <+plc> like a gateway page?
[14:37] <@Frank> then, link all your sites too it
[14:37] <@Rowdy> plc -> http://www.maniawaste.net/graphics/hub_sites.html
[14:37] <@Frank> yes plc in a way
[14:38] <+Pitlord> I have a bunch of sponsors on my link hub...
[14:38] <+lassiter> Question Rowdy?
[14:38] <+plc> but coming from outside individual sites back to the main one?
[14:38] <@Rowdy> ? lassiter
[14:38] <+Pitlord> I figure that's one place where I can ignore the LL rules
[14:38] <@WillyB> yes .. like that sorta .. you dont' have to have it listed anywhere even.. just linked on all your sites somewhere
[14:38] <@Frank> some link list started out as hubs,lol
[14:38] <+plc> ok thanks
[14:38] <@WillyB> true Pitlord ... that is another good way to do it
[14:39] <+lassiter> Dont see how I could have one big pool of pics on a subdirectory when making multiple AVS sites...each requires its own .htaccess & protected subdirectories, no?
[14:39] <@WillyB> It also mainly connects all of your stuff.. so if an SE hits one.. it is likely it will spider every site you have ;)
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[14:39] <@Rowdy> lassiter .. the htaccess protects the pages.. you can have a seperate htaccess on the image file to allow any numer of sites you want :)
[14:39] <@Frank> lassiter, shouldn't if it's on the same domain
[14:39] <+plc> how do you make the link?with http:// back to the center one?
[14:39] <@Rowdy> image directory.. sorry
[14:39] <@WillyB> I put htaccess in the main images dir and call them allfrom the same domain
[14:40] <+Strohm3> Ah I see WillyB..expansion effect with the SE's..darn never thought about it
[14:40] <@Frank> anyway you want plc, even something like, click here for more free sites, or whatever
[14:40] <+plc> ok Frank,thanks
[14:40] <+lassiter> Ah..but each AVS uses different .htaccess file.U mean make em all *for example) AdultCheck or CyberAge?
[14:40] <@Rowdy> plc .. ya lost me? what ya mean
[14:41] <+plc> trying to determine if the sites outside the 'hub' link back to it by use of that hub's url
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[14:41] <+Pitlord> I haven't used htaccess... I just set the permissions on all of my directories and I've been using index.html pages that autorefresh to a sponsor for the directories I don't wan't ppl snooping in. What is the advantage of htaccess?
[14:41] <@Rowdy> yes lassister.. that's one way... but your image can be called from outside of that original site... just have to protect them so that the particualr site has to be accessed to get to the images
[14:41] <@WillyB> you mean they have to be refurred to the inside of the site from the avs url .. I see
[14:41] <@Frank> Hi Dan
[14:41] <@WillyB> hello Dan
[14:41] <+Dan> hi guys
[14:42] <+plc> Hi Dan
[14:42] <+Pitlord> Hi Dan
[14:42] <+lassiter> Rowdy: I think I get what u mean, but not sure folx couldn t still snoop in the directory if they acestained the exact filename of the pic
[14:42] <+Dan> did i miss out on all the good stuff?
[14:42] <@Rowdy> the actual htaccess for the avs systems can be in seperate directories
[14:42] <+lassiter> er ascertained
[14:43] <@Rowdy> lassiter .. not if you have the htraccess set to allow access from a specific url only... any other "outside" access would be denied
[14:43] <@WillyB> pitlord.. .htaccess will keep people from stealing your pics
[14:43] <@WillyB> here is an example of an .htaccess for an /images/ dir ... http://www.pornoplaces.com/htaccess.txt
[14:43] <+lassiter> Rowdy: OK i think I see (though I'm very nearsighted) ;)
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[14:43] <@Rowdy> and as far as them just browing once there... image names can be hidden :)
[14:44] <+Pitlord> how do you prevent ppl from looking at your htaccess file?
[14:44] <@WillyB> it will not let you get into the images/ dir from any domain but pornoplaces
[14:44] <@Rowdy> all directories with images should have an index page so that the surfer cannot get a "listing" of what's in the directory
[14:45] <+plc> how do you do that Rowdy?
[14:45] <+lassiter> So I could set a required SUBdirectory that the files must be accessed from too?
[14:45] <@WillyB> it is actually .htaccess not htaccess.txt and the servers are or should be set up so you cannot get hidden file from the web .. the . makes it hidden
[14:45] <@Rowdy> plc... m ouseovers that are "almost" identicle to the original name
[14:45] <@WillyB> if you want.. .htaccess can do a lot of things
[14:45] <+Pitlord> OIC... the one you just posted has the "." removed
[14:45] <@Rowdy> yes lassiter :)
[14:46] <+lassiter> Rowdy: I know about index pages.Just confused about once the surfer has access to the AVS site and can tell what directory the paics are called from, how to keep them from seeing pics I dont want them to in that particular directory (that they already have partial access too anyway)
[14:46] <+Pitlord> looks like i'm gonna be reading up on .htaccess for a while
[14:46] <+lassiter> I'm *very* dim about .htaccess..just learning how to use it well
[14:46] <+plc> best of luck Pitlord..I've been reading for weeks..:)
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[14:47] <@Frank> hi venturi
[14:47] <@Rowdy> well lassiter... you can only do so much.. unless you call the images from a script or php page... something like that... a smart surfer can always be somewhat a pain... the idea is to get the not so "internet smart" surfers in the first place though ... lol
[14:47] <+Pitlord> lassiter you can set permission on the directory to prevent ppl from getting a listing of the files there... you could also put an index.html file inside the directory so that if they tried to access it they'd get the index page instead
[14:47] <+venturi> hiya!
[14:47] <+lassiter> Rowdy: Ah...well..yes. ;)
[14:47] <+venturi> oops... over-napped. lol
[14:47] <@Rowdy> hi venturi
[14:48] <@Rowdy> lassiter... best you can do is make them work for it to some extent...lol
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[14:48] <+lassiter> Pitolord: Yeah, Im just owndering if I have a pic called fubar01.jpg on an AVS gallery, thats being called from a particular directory, how I can keep them from directly entering the path for fubar2.jpg
[14:48] <+Da_MoBu> hi all
[14:48] <@Frank> Hi Da_MoBu
[14:48] <@Rowdy> although there are plenty of tricks once you find someone playing with your pics in your stats as well
[14:49] <@WillyB> .htaccess is cool .. you can find out a lot about it by doing a serch for htaccess (no . ) at www.apache.org
[14:49] <+plc> Hi Da_MoBu
[14:49] <@HippyDude>MEGA PACK sale! Every 15,000 pick Maga Pack is on sale for $149.00. This is a LIMITED sale so don't wait http://www.pixmasters.com/mega.html!
[14:49] <+Pitlord> you could use a mouseover that makes it look like "fubar2.jpg" instead of "fubar02.jpg" 
[14:49] <@WillyB> hello Da_MoBu
[14:49] <@Rowdy> lassiter .. it should be accomplished I thin with htaccess.. make it confirm the referal ip page for each image call
[14:49] <+Da_MoBu> whats the topic?
[14:49] <+lassiter> Rowdy: Heh..yep.I'll tell you my nasty tales of bandwidth theives stealing my graphics off my server and what I do to 'em sometime ;)
[14:49] <@Rowdy> :)
[14:50] <@Rowdy> Da_MoBu.. the newbie project
[14:50] <+lassiter> Rowdy; Any idea of thr syntax for that?
[14:50] <@Rowdy> http://uncensoredfreexxx.com/LesboSluts/infographic.htm
[14:50] <@Rowdy> not off hand v .. sorry
[14:50] <+Pitlord> What does it mean when your stats show clients accessing your site from URLs with the word "cache" in them?
[14:50] <@Rowdy> I'll check around though for ya
[14:50] <@Frank> Been alotta great questions. Always remember you can come by and post on the board as well anytime you need help. http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/
[14:51] <@WillyB> that means the surfer already has that graphic or page on there system in their cache so didn't use your bandwidth Pitlord
[14:51] <+Da_MoBu> oh
[14:51] <@Rowdy> Pit .. it usually means it's from their isp cahce pages or possibly their browsers as well... some stat programs can show some interesting referals...lol
[14:51] <+lassiter> Thanks Rowdy
[14:51] <@Rowdy> np lassiter :)
[14:51] <+Pitlord> ya... i got a ton that were like cache.aol.xxx.xxx.xxx or whatever but there were a ton of requests from aol
[14:52] <@WillyB> Here lassiter: http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html
[14:53] <+Pitlord> is there a good .htaccess tutorial at ANS?
[14:53] <@Rowdy> pitlord.. check out the contributed links section in the newbie zone members area
[14:53] <+Pitlord> OK... 
[14:53] <@Rowdy> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/members.phtml
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[14:54] <@Rowdy> some good links there concerning htaccess
[14:54] <@Rowdy> :)
[14:54] <+Snikks> hey hey hey all
[14:54] <@Rowdy> Hi Snikks
[14:54] <@Frank> hiya Snikks
[14:54] <+lassiter> WillyB: Thanks!Though I'm going into brain paralysis mode just *looking* at that ;)
[14:54] <+Snikks> ya'll got it going on I see..
[14:54] <+Pitlord> I also need to make a webmaster's page for link trades and to refer them to sponsors etc... try to capitalize on overrides (i.e. second tier)
[14:55] <@Rowdy> Pitlord.. the template sites have a webmaster page that you can easily modify :)
[14:55] <+plc> try this one.I found it ok..http://wsabstract.com/howto/htaccess.shtml
[14:55] <+Pitlord> I saw that... haven't gotten around to utilizing it yet tho
[14:55] <+Ravenia> I have a question about pic posts & TNG
[14:55] <+Pitlord> thanks pic
[14:55] <@Rowdy> Pitlord... the pages for this project were created with them :)
[14:56] <+Pitlord> TNG?
[14:56] <@Frank> what's that Ravenia?
[14:56] <+Ravenia> Thumb Nail Gallerysorry
[14:56] <+Pitlord> doh... lol...
[14:56] <+Ravenia> I am seeing some conversions to my site from AVS traffic
[14:56] <+Ravenia> but damned if the pic post traffic doesn't just munch my bandwidth & leave
[14:57] <@WillyB> great URL plc! thanks :)
[14:57] <@Frank> great!
[14:57] <@Frank> ok
[14:57] <+Ravenia> is the conversion ratio usually that bad or is it me?
[14:57] <+plc> npo..I got a bunch if anyone needs them...been beating my brains with this htaccess for weeks..:)
[14:57] <+Pitlord> ya I can't figure out pic posts either... 
[14:58] <@Rowdy> picposts can work decent with series pics.. soft listed... more on the free pages.. then wham... want the rest :)
[14:58] <@Frank> Ravenia, that is a good point. Each traffic source can work differently for specific things.
[14:58] <+Pitlord> I tried sending the picposts straight to a sponsor but didn't get a nibble
[14:58] <@WillyB> cool.. you can do almost everything with htaccess as you can in the config file it'self plc :)
[14:58] <@WillyB> I've been reading about it off and on myself
[14:58] <+Pitlord> config file?
[14:58] <+plc> it's very versatile...but takes some understanding, at least for me..:)
[14:59] <@WillyB> the server configure file.. httpd.conf
[14:59] <@WillyB> me too!
[14:59] <@WillyB> Pitlord.. only the servers admin have access to that file
[14:59] <+Pitlord> do you need admin access to alter the config file?
[14:59] <+Pitlord> LOL
[14:59] <@Frank> Ravenia, if you want to continue to experiment with pic post or tgp, you can also make different types of pages to send them to to save on BW.
[14:59] <@WillyB> lol.. well probably not to read it, but to write to it I'd say so
[14:59] <+venturi> hmmm... seems like the "lower level" (sorry, best term I could come up with) a traffic source the more you really need to lead the surfer down a path.
[15:00] <+plc> some servers allow you access to the confg file, but not all of them
[15:00] <+plc> you are better with the htaccess file, it does the same thing and you control it
[15:00] <@WillyB> I rooted around in some of mine and found them .. but they are a dangerous thing to leave ungaurded!
[15:00] <@WillyB> yep .. and on a per dir. level also
[15:00] <+Ravenia>nods
[15:01] <+Pitlord> Raven... is your head spinning yet?
[15:01] <+plc> yep WillyB...much more control down the directory lines
[15:01] <+Ravenia> yes, but I'm getting used to it
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[15:01] <@WillyB> wb roscoe
[15:01] <+Pitlord> hey roscoe... wubba
[15:01] <+Ravenia> heehee
[15:01] <@Frank> wb roscoe
[15:01] <@Rowdy> wb roscoe
[15:01] <+venturi> if you're head ain't spinning, you ain't an adult webmaster. ;)
[15:01] * +Pitlord is a dizzy blond
[15:02] <+Snikks> hey ya Roscoe!
[15:02] <+venturi> hiya roscoe
[15:02] <@WillyB> lol
[15:02] <@Rowdy> true venturi!!
[15:02] <@WillyB> hello Snikks!!! didn't see ya come in!
[15:02] <@Frank> Ravenia, I am assuming you were sending that traffic to your tour?
[15:02] <+roscoe> tu willy, frank, rowdy, snickers...oh hell hi every one :)
[15:02] <+Snikks> Hiya WillyB
[15:02] <+plc> hi roscoe..:)
[15:02] <@WillyB> Snikks .. will ya private me your email add plz?
[15:02] <+Ravenia> lassiter got over 10,000 impressions & not a sale from a TNG so whatever they are about -- we are obviously clueless lol
[15:03] <@Rowdy> Ravenia .. if ya can't convert that traffic..... send it to a toplistand get other traffic back and try again :)
[15:03] <+plc> anyone have a spare hole for me to jump in..LOL:)
[15:03] <+Pitlord> Crawdad plays the TGP/TNG game... you might wanna ask him about it...
[15:03] <+Ravenia>I can make the galleries or pics tighter-- less pixels-- smaller to save on bandwidth
[15:03] <+Da_MoBu> i never got how people can use free galleries w/ tgp traffic and send them to toplists
[15:03] <@Frank> don't feel bad, I rarely do tgp. It's a whole different profession in my opinion. You gotta use alot of BW to make money
[15:04] <@Frank> we have a TGP zone too,
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[15:04] <+Ravenia> but it must be my tour that's not converting there-- maybe I need a specific tour for the TNG crowd...
[15:04] <@Rowdy> Da_MoBu.. it's an art .. but it can be considerably eaiser than a sale sometimes
[15:04] <+Pitlord> He mentioned that he gets his best conversions from them after his listing moves off their main page and into their archive
[15:04] <+venturi> hiya Sassy!
[15:04] <+lassiter> Da_MoBu: Yeah, me either...whats the revenue stream here? ;)
[15:04] <@Frank> hi RevSassy
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[15:04] <+Pitlord> seems the TNG/TGP archive pages get good SE traffic
[15:04] <+Ravenia> ah-- archive traffic-- I see--
[15:04] <@Rowdy> se traffic that knows where to go to get free pron though
[15:05] <@Rowdy> porn
[15:05] <+RevSassy^AdultWriters> howdy Frank :-)
[15:05] <+Ravenia> oh SE linksto em-- aha!
[15:05] <+Da_MoBu> lass.. i think i have the idea... u send TGP traffic to a page w/ a toplist link on it (somewhere.l. i dunno).. then u get boosted up on the toplist rating.. and u get better quality hits from the toplist
[15:05] <+Pitlord> It may depend on which TNG/TGP you're listed with 
[15:05] <+Strohm3> TGP2 does pretty well also..with a hell of a less bandwith hit
[15:05] <@Frank> Pitlord, sometimes, I to think that a surfer that lurks in that far are maybe more adpt to buy that the daily ones
[15:05] <+EclectiXXX> ok folks sorry to lurk and run but i gotta go!
[15:05] <+lassiter> Rowdy: So ya think one could get some links on otherwise stubborn search engines by getting archived on TGPs?
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[15:05] <@WillyB> take care EclectiXXX :)
[15:05] <@Rowdy> anyhow... the archive listings usually get a more varied se source in relation to the terms used
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[15:05] <+venturi> that kind of makes good sense when you think about it. the surfers hitting the "new" list are the savvy "free" porn surfers.
[15:05] <@Frank> c ya later EclectiXXX
[15:05] <@Frank> hi caj
[15:05] <+venturi> once they hit the archives they are definitely desperate. lol
[15:06] <@Rowdy> lassiter.. imagine in certain cases it would help
[15:06] <+Ravenia> I posted to Fetish Pic Post & was amazied at the traffic-- not obne conversion, but my conversions from toplists are ok...
[15:06] <+Pitlord> LOL venturi... I love desperate surfers
[15:06] <+lassiter> Im interested in how to get on search engines via back ways, 'cause the front ways are sure a bitch
[15:06] <@Rowdy> link relvancy and so forth
[15:06] * +Ravenia agrees with lassiter whole heartedly
[15:07] <+caj> hellow all
[15:07] <@WillyB> go to one and type in adult links
[15:07] <+Ravenia> Perhaps the TNG do best oif one is a megasite?
[15:07] <+Strohm3> hey caj
[15:07] <+Pitlord> ya I paid $50 to overture and was listed in the top 20 thru DEC... not one sale.
[15:07] <@Rowdy> best se links I'ver ever gotten have been pure luck... so advice from me in that area wouldn't be considered gold...lolI know the basics.. but not overall the art
[15:07] <+lassiter> Link to as many already sipidered sites as possible?
[15:07] <@WillyB> and then try to get listed on all the link lists that pop up lassiter
[15:07] <+lassiter> er spidered
[15:07] <+plc> Hi caj
[15:07] <+Da_MoBu> that sux pitlord
[15:07] <@Frank> lol lassiter, no doubt, the SE game is never ending. Make alot of entrance pages and have them linked together so they all get spidered.
[15:08] <+Pitlord> Amen Da_Mobu
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[15:08] <@Frank> Pitlord, a paysite?
[15:08] <+lassiter> Frank: How would I link em together?You mean entrance pages to different free sites, say, or do you mean somehow linking my mirrored entry pages to each other somehow?
[15:09] <+Pitlord> no Frank... free site
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[15:09] <+Da_MoBu> about linking doorwaypages...
[15:09] <+caj> what is the best way to link your pages together lassiter?with keywords or hidden links?
[15:09] <+Da_MoBu> do u just put alot of small links at the end of a page?
[15:09] <+Ravenia> anyone here make amatuer sites-- I think my site might sell best the way amatuer sites sell-- it's a similar feel
[15:09] <@Frank> wow, paid listing really aren't for free sites
[15:09] <+Da_MoBu> like Link1 Link2 Link3 or whatever
[15:09] <+lassiter> caj: ya got me ;0
[15:09] <+lassiter> ;)
[15:09] <+Pitlord> Ya Frank... I guess I had to learn that the hard way
[15:10] <+Pitlord> LOL
[15:10] <@Rowdy> Kids are going to be here soon.. got to get heading.
[15:10] <+lassiter> Bye Rowdy: Thanks for all the hard work & help
[15:10] <@WillyB> same here Rowdy .. they will be here in a few
[15:10] <@Frank> c ya Rowdy, have a good one!
[15:10] <+Ravenia> thanks Rowdy :)
[15:10] <@WillyB> see ya later :-)
[15:10] <@Rowdy> Please visit http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/index.phtml for any help/questions concerning the project :)
[15:10] <+plc> Thanks for all your help Rowdy
[15:10] <+Pitlord> Rowdy... heading one, eight, zero mark 4
[15:10] <+venturi> take care rowdy!
[15:10] <+Pitlord> engage
[15:10] <@Rowdy> Thanks for coming out folks!!
[15:10] <+Pitlord> Thanks Rowdy... later
[15:10] <@Rowdy> have a great day!!
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