[13:59] *** WillyB changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Adult NetSurprise Newbie Chat ~*\!/*~Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Webmasters Only!!!' [13:59] <+Security_man> so this is what the wednesday newbie chat is like :) whats the topic? [13:59] <+venturi> Hi Tia! [13:59] <+tia> hey venturi! [13:59] <+MrsRowdy> hiya venturi [14:00] <+Raeahn> got a ? -- which sponsors' teen sites are converting well for signups, and which would be good to use for per-raw exit traffic? [14:00] <+Rowdy> topic today.... "centered on the money making links on your site and the efficiency of them" [14:00] *** Joins: ladyravenia [14:00] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v ladyravenia [14:00] <+tia> hi ladyravenia [14:00] <+Rowdy> hi ladyravenia [14:00] <+Ron> hi ladyravenia [14:00] <+ladyravenia> hey all [14:00] <+ladyravenia> :) [14:00] <+MrsRowdy> Frank...congrats on the new apartment :-) [14:00] <+Frank> hi LadyRavenia [14:00] <+venturi> Hi ladyravenia! [14:01] <+MrsRowdy> hi ladyravenia [14:01] <+Frank> thanks MrsRowdy, now I need furniture,lol [14:01] <+Ron> afk, need more coffee [14:01] <+Rowdy> Raeahn.. almost everyone's results will be different. I tusually requires your own "testing" of a few different sponsors to see which does best at that time for ya [14:01] * +tia passes the hat for Frank's furniture [14:01] <+Frank> Raeahn, that depends on many things, how well you can sell for one. I don't know many that do raw exit stuff though. [14:02] <+ladyravenia> Frank-- please explain the term raw exit stuff , for me?? [14:02] * +Security_man drops in as much as he can (which is some lent :) [14:02] <+MrsRowdy> that's the easy part.....you've gotten past the hard part :-) [14:02] <+Frank> yep, I have 1 sponsor I can do approx 1:250 with and a friend with the same one that does like 1:600, lol [14:02] <+Ron> depends on your traffic, marketing, there's a bunch of factors to look at [14:03] <+tia> best thing to do Raeahn is pick one and try it [14:03] <+Security_man> ladyravenia check out this link for any definitions you need in the future http://www.cherryclitz.com/questions.html [14:03] <+ladyravenia> thanks Security_man [14:03] <+Frank> ladyr, there are some companies out there that will pay you a small bit for exit page views to there pge. [14:04] <+Ron> sites will appeal to different surfers within any one traffic source.Test them out and find the one that does best for you [14:04] <+Security_man> np :) its franks page anyway LOL [14:04] <+Ron> IOW, there is no fixed answer:) [14:04] <+ladyravenia> oh-- gotvha-- knew the concept but not the term [14:04] <+Raeahn> grin... [14:04] <+Frank> security_man, that page is actually in ANS now to, but I do still have it up. [14:05] <+Raeahn> I'm working on a freebie teen site -- the main purpose is to drive traffic to it and eventually sell it, but I want to try to make some sponsor income in the meantime [14:05] <+Security_man> ah - i still have it linked to your domain on submitool LOL [14:05] <+tia> actually you do want to make a sponsor money, because that makes you money Raeahn [14:05] *** ladyravenia is now known as Ravenia [14:05] <+Frank> that's cool security, it's still there,lol [14:05] <+Security_man> :) [14:06] <+Security_man> is there a topic today willyB/rowdy/frank? [14:07] <+Rowdy> -> topic today.... "centered on the money making links on your site and the efficiency of them" [14:07] <@HippyDude>MEGA PACK sale! Every 15,000 pick Maga Pack is on sale for $149.00. This is a LIMITED sale so don't wait http://www.pixmasters.com/mega.html! [14:07] <+Security_man> oops - didnt see that :)) [14:07] <+Rowdy> So... first question... where does your exit links point to from your entrance page? [14:07] <+venturi> I've been working on some TGP galleries to drive traffic back to my AVS sites that have dropped in traffic anyone care to peek at one of them and give your opinion of my "style"? [14:08] <+Security_man> mine go to userplaces.com [14:08] <+Security_man> but i dont get paid for em :( [14:08] <+venturi> mine do NOT point to disney.com, that's for sure. :) [14:08] <+Raeahn> www.youngfuckingteens.com is the site I'm workin' on [14:08] <+Rowdy> venturi ... Kre8t0r is the man for that question :) [14:08] <+Security_man> my partner really REALLY wanted to have ours pointing to disny LOL [14:08] <+Raeahn> mine points to google [14:09] <+Ravenia> mine redirect to some of my AVS sites & to an eraser program [14:09] <+Rowdy> Why aren't you attempting to make any $ off those links? [14:09] <+Frank> mine go th Internet Eraser, LOL [14:09] <+Ron> Make money off your exit traffic [14:09] <+venturi> we have an adult toy site I point some to, others we point to our amazon.com affiliate link. [14:09] <+Frank> Raeahn, does google pay you? [14:09] <+Security_man> i never did enough research to find out who will pay for em [14:09] <+Rowdy>a small mainstream site is just the ticket... no adult content... and a good exit place.... if they buy something from it.. great... if not... no loss [14:09] <+Security_man> thats a good idea frank- i might just do that [14:09] <+Rowdy> venturi... that works as well :) [14:10] <+Frank> If you don't have a exit sponsor make a exit page with non-adult links to send it to. [14:10] * +Ravenia thinks that since she's not been selling much eraser cash maybe putting up a smal amazon bookstore would be ok... [14:10] *** Joins: lassiter [14:10] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v lassiter [14:10] <+Rowdy> Use a mainstream freehost if you want your own site... you can add and replace links at will and you get the surfer off of your site [14:10] <+lassiter> howdy all [14:10] <+Ravenia> hey lassiter :) [14:11] <+Frank> Ravenia, I here that alot, I still do around 1:100 [14:11] <+MrsRowdy> hi lassiter [14:11] <+Rowdy> there's plenty of things to do with those links besides just sending them to a no money making place [14:11] <+Frank> hi lassiter [14:11] <+Frank> brb, coffee,lol [14:11] <+Rowdy> Main point is... do something with them :) [14:11] <+Ravenia> not sure why my exit traffic doesn't buy but boy are they hard sells [14:12] <+Kre8t0r> ahhh much better [14:12] <+Frank> Ravenia, where are you sending them to? [14:12] <+venturi> on the amazon.com redirect, I've been thinking we should possibly figure out how the surfer "accidently" found the site and make a targetted amazon redirect; put them into the area they were looking anyway? [14:12] <+tia> if they're at your site then they're looking for porn, so the way I see it is, they didn't find what they wanted, so exit traffic might well be directed to a filter type of page [14:13] *** Joins: LilBiggz [14:13] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v LilBiggz [14:13] <+lassiter> OK...exit modules.There seems to be a real consumer backlash.Are they worth it at all or do they just make folx mad? [14:13] <+Frank> Hi LilBiggz [14:13] <+Security_man> what is another thign to do with them rowdy? [14:13] <+Raeahn> what about pop-unders? [14:13] <+tia> you mean a blur console Raeahn? [14:13] <+Frank> you mean blur? [14:13] <+Ron> hi LilBiggz [14:13] <+Kre8t0r> hey Lilbiggz! [14:13] <+Raeahn> no. [14:13] <+MrsRowdy> Hi LilBiggz [14:13] <+tia> hiya LisBiggz [14:13] <+Security_man> hey lilbiggz :) [14:13] <+LilBiggz> Hello everyone !!! I'm late but I made it... [14:13] <+Rowdy> welll.. basically I've seen plenty of sites with exit links that go to yahoo or disney and so on.... those folks can do plenty of things with it... freehost, direct links..... many choices ... I just think that many don't even consider their exit links traffic links but they are if they point to the wrong place [14:13] <+Raeahn> I mean the ones that pop up UNDER the page you are viewing [14:13] <+Ravenia> I only have one pop up on exit now-- trying to not piss em off too badly lol [14:13] <+Frank> never heard of a pop-under [14:14] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:14] <+Frank> that's a blur [14:14] *** Joins: Tat2Jr [14:14] <+Kre8t0r> ie blur [14:14] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Tat2Jr [14:14] <+Rowdy> traffic leaks I meant to say [14:14] <+Kre8t0r> tat2!! [14:14] <+Ravenia> hey tat2Jr [14:14] <+Frank> hi Tat2jr [14:14] <+lassiter> So many link lists wont touch you if ya use popups at all, under or over [14:14] <+Security_man> i mean - shouldnt they be non adult oreinted? [14:14] <+LilBiggz> lol [14:14] <+Rowdy> hi Tat2Jr [14:14] <+tia> hey Tat2 :) [14:14] <+Tat2Jr> Hello All! [14:14] <+MrsRowdy> Hi Tat2Jr [14:14] <+Ron> You mean a blur console? [14:14] <+Frank> NO, all the tricks are for when they leave your site [14:15] * +Ron agrees with Frank [14:15] <+venturi> I TaterTot! LOL [14:15] <+tia> why should they be non-adult SM? [14:15] <+Tat2Jr> lol [14:15] <+venturi> hi, even [14:15] <+Rowdy> Security_man... exit should be non adult .... still plenty to do with it :) [14:15] <+Security_man> isnt that the point of having one tia? [14:15] <+lassiter> Yes, why non adult? [14:15] <+Ravenia> most of my site traffic is very targeted-- they came there from other FemDom links-- so should I try to sell em non adult or more FemDom stuff I wonder ???? [14:15] <+Frank> yea, if your talking exits- non adult [14:15] <+lassiter> Since porn surfers are resitent to non-porn ads anyway [14:16] <+lassiter> er resistant [14:16] <+Security_man> but i see some folks say that it can go to a toy site or filter the traffic more [14:16] <+Ravenia> ok explain to the newbie (grins) why non adult... [14:16] <+Ron> Ravenia, good point.Depends on your traffic source [14:16] <+Rowdy> I take that back... it is personal preferance I imagine... I just always prefered non adult since I have text about leave if not old enough to view this site type text above the exit link [14:16] <+Frank> we must understand there are TWO types of exits.... [14:16] <+tia> so you figure that if they click the exit.. then they got to your site by accident? [14:16] <+Tat2Jr> Once a surfer leaves without buying.........shame on them.Pop'em till they drop a few pennies and they boot 'em out the door [14:16] <+Frank> you have the exit from your entrance for underage people [14:16] <+Frank> then exits from your adult surfers [14:16] <+Frank> each is different [14:16] <+Tat2Jr> exit link always goes to nonadult [14:16] <+Security_man> thats what i always thought - or they are underage and dont have a credit card LOL [14:16] <+Rowdy> correct Frank [14:16] <+lassiter> Rowdy: Ah...so you mean use non-adult links from the warning page? That makes sense. [14:16] <+tia> that sounds right Frank :) [14:17] <+venturi> on a bdsm site, for example, might it not be possible the surfer was honestly researching the bdsm lifestyle so sending them to a money making non-porn bdsm link a good idea? [14:17] <+Ravenia> oh-- that I get [14:17] <+lassiter> I thot you meant when they exit the site after surfing it [14:17] <+Frank> yes, the "exit link" should go to non-adult [14:17] <+Rowdy> yes lassiter... I m ake a few bucks off stuff like it :) Better than losing it completely [14:17] <+Ravenia> lassiter-- that's what I thought-- all is clear now [14:17] <+Frank> I make about $400-$500 a month off my exit link [14:17] <+Ron> If your source of traffic is from non-Adult sources, such as search engines, then your exit should be non-Adult.If however, your traffic is from adult sources, link lists, top lists, etc. then your exit should be aimed at an adult sponsor of some type [14:17] <+Security_man> okay frank, on the other type of exit traffic, how do you filter them without popups and tricks? [14:17] <+lassiter> Yes, the warning page is where I put my descrambler and file cleaner links [14:18] <+Ravenia> you doin ok w/ that, lass? [14:18] <+lassiter> Ravenia: Nah...I suspect porn surfers dont watch much pay TV ;) [14:18] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:18] <+Ravenia> ha [14:18] <+tia> hehe [14:18] <+Kre8t0r> or care about whats on their HD [14:18] <+Rowdy> now an adults links page exit is a different story :) First.. I prefer to have links page with multiple choices of not only sites, but products or "paths to take" type stuff ....give them a choice of things and your "links page" just became a " make another choice" page instead :) [14:19] <+Frank> security, most of the time on a site you can't use exits because of LL rules, but if you can give them a ALT link away from your site so it's YOUR traffic then you can do as you wish [14:19] <+Security_man> that is another point of contention for me - when do they become your traffic? [14:20] <+Security_man> when they click a banner or when they click anything other than gallery1/2 links? [14:20] <+venturi> once they click "something" on your page? [14:20] <+Frank> as soon as they leave your pages [14:20] <+Kre8t0r> once they hit the index :p [14:20] <+lassiter> Rowdy: r u talking pop-ups or just links on a last page? [14:20] <+Kre8t0r> i own their ass from that point foward...hehe [14:20] <+Ron> K, that's how I see it:) [14:21] <+Rowdy> links..... the pop ups can easily be placed on those "paths to take" type links I mentioned :) [14:21] * +lassiter nods [14:21] <+Frank> like Rowdy said, if you say had a "click here for more sites" or whatever as a alt link, then that's your traffic, you can make blurs, popups whatever [14:21] <+lassiter> Frank: What's an "alt link"? (I'm slow today) [14:21] <+Ravenia> makes sense [14:21] <+Frank> I try to send traffic through a "targetted" fpa with every click from point A to B [14:22] <+Rowdy> Although note that the whole process is easier to accomplish off of different domains... alot of surfers aren't as ignorant as we sometimes give them credit for :) [14:22] <+Frank> alt: alternative link [14:22] <+Kre8t0r> damn smart surfers :p [14:22] <+Rowdy> :) [14:22] <+MrsRowdy> lol [14:22] <+Frank> EXACTLY Rowdy,LOL [14:22] <+tia> I find it's not smart to underestimate the intelligence of surfers [14:23] <+Frank> have something you can make interesting links with [14:23] <+Security_man> lol - all sufers are idots >:) [14:23] <+Kre8t0r> you mean like herding them like cattle tia : } [14:23] <+Security_man> so off that targetted fpa frank do ya put the popups and tricks and such? [14:23] <+tia> that's where you're wrong SM.. if you think like that, you'll miss out in some areas [14:23] <+Frank> say I have www.fuck-sites.com, so I have many alt links that say "click here for more fuck sites" LOL [14:23] <+LilBiggz> you guys gotta teach me to heard cattle lmao [14:24] <+Kre8t0r> LOL [14:24] <+Rowdy> cattle herding is cool... ya just got to do it like the govt... sneaky like......lmao [14:24] <+tia> lol [14:24] *** Joins: EclectiXXX [14:24] <+Ravenia> since I am a members site-- would it make sense to send them to my AVss (like an additiona tour-- see the great stuff you are missing-- care to join now?) [14:24] <+Kre8t0r> yup [14:24] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v EclectiXXX [14:24] <+tia> hey EclectiXXX!!! [14:24] <+venturi> I've been led along on sites I really wasn't looking for, just because the WM made it "interesting". LOL [14:24] <+MrsRowdy> Hi EclectiXXX [14:24] <+Frank> security, sometimes a blur, but you never want to overpower the surfer and piss them off [14:24] <+EclectiXXX> Hi folks! [14:24] <+Security_man> thats true - speaking of that i noticed that many of the "experianced" (ie non buying) surfers will type in gallery02.htm on my sites when a tgp lists one of my main galleries without my permission [14:24] <+Frank> a pissed off surfer is a non buying surfer IMHO [14:24] <+tia> there's nothing wrong with being a good traffic director.. people need to know where to go [14:24] <+Tat2Jr> Hello EclectiXXX [14:24] <+Ron> hi EclectiXXX [14:24] <+venturi> hiyA eCLECTIxxx [14:25] *** Ron is now known as Ron-rl2341 [14:25] <+venturi> damned caps lock... [14:25] <+lassiter> I've got a personal anime web page that doesn't feature any xxx or hentai, but I have a link saying "no xxx here, but if thet's what youre looking for, click here" and it sends 'em to a page w/ appropriate sponsor links. [14:25] <+EclectiXXX> not Tat! haven't seen you in ages! [14:25] <+Frank> hi EclectiXXX [14:25] <+Kre8t0r> true frank but there is a point where the chances of them buying are very small thats where cjhell comes in [14:25] <+Rowdy> venturi... exactly!!!!! That's where the talent truely comes into play... making the surfer realize he wanted to go this way when he really wanted to go that way... but it is now his thought and not yours that made the difference....:) [14:25] <+Tat2Jr> :)Here in the flesh! [14:25] <+lassiter> Rowdy: LOL [14:25] <+Rowdy> hi EclectiXXX [14:25] *** Joins: DrGuile [14:25] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v DrGuile [14:26] <+Ron-rl2341> hi DrGuile [14:26] <+Kre8t0r> guile!! [14:26] <+tia> I think it's best not to give the surfer too many choices, that's where targeted traffic comes in [14:26] <+Kre8t0r> ltns [14:26] <+Security_man> hmm thats an intersting statemtent rowdy, i guess the way to do that is to think like the sufer? [14:26] <+DrGuile> Good Hello [14:26] <+Frank> that's true Kre8, I just never do that myself, but it's to eachs own,lol [14:26] <+venturi> hiya DrGuile! [14:26] <+Tat2Jr> Hello DrGuile [14:26] <+Rowdy> Security_man... think FOR the surfer... not like them :) [14:26] <@WillyB> lol [14:26] <+MrsRowdy> Hi DrGuile [14:26] <@WillyB> hi DrGuile [14:26] <+Tat2Jr> nods at rowdy [14:26] <+tia> choices should be made at a filtering site.. then you direct them [14:26] <+Rowdy> Hi DrGuile [14:27] <+Security_man> lol - but other than the usual "click here for free pics" or what not, how is a good way to do that? [14:27] <+DrGuile> How is everyone? [14:27] <+Frank> true tia! [14:27] <+venturi> ya gotta distract them from their *real* purpose... free porn. lol [14:27] <+Kre8t0r> hehe [14:27] <+Rowdy> right tia .... it can be a short process or a long one.. but whatever filtering style works for ya... ya do it :) [14:27] <+Kre8t0r> thats especially true in tgp venturi [14:27] <+lassiter> Security_man: Thinking like the surfer is hard for me, cause I *never* click on anything that even smells like an ad ;) [14:27] <+Security_man> lol [14:28] <+Ron-rl2341> lassiter, then you ARE thinking like a surfer:) [14:28] <+tia> you need to know who is going where, and what they want.. if you are just guessing, then you're not doing it right [14:28] <+DrGuile> if you just want to draw clicks, good text links are the best.... [14:28] <+Security_man> you are the bain of my existance lassiter >:) [14:28] <+lassiter> Ron: LOL...I guess you're right! [14:28] <+Kre8t0r> text rulez! [14:28] <+Ron-rl2341> text rulez! [14:28] <+Ron-rl2341>:) [14:28] <+Kre8t0r> hehe [14:28] <+Rowdy> Security_man... what would entice you to click?"Don't Click Here" "This links is a requirement of the pages... sorry" or "buy yadda yadda here" it all depends [14:28] <+Kre8t0r> and i dont even work for sin-text :p [14:28] <+DrGuile> but the conversion isnt always to good [14:28] <+tia> text does rule.. people read instructions.. shorter the better [14:28] <+LilBiggz> hey guys click here !!! lol [14:28] <+venturi> Ron, you mean you know something about text? lol [14:28] * +Ron-rl2341 gets out the $$$ for K :) [14:29] <+Kre8t0r> LOL [14:29] *** Joins: nola [14:29] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v nola [14:29] <+Ron-rl2341> vent...just a little:) [14:29] <+Rowdy> hi nola [14:29] <+tia> hey nola [14:29] <+MrsRowdy> Hi nola [14:29] <+Ron-rl2341> hi nola [14:29] <+Ravenia> heya nola [14:29] <+nola> well howdy folks [14:29] <+Security_man> so i guess making sure the surfer you have is the one you want when you build the page is the right way to go? [14:29] <+Tat2Jr> don't laugh LilBiggz......... "Click Here" works if done right [14:29] <+Kre8t0r> i still love the "whatever you do DONT click here!" [14:29] <+tia> right SM [14:29] <+Ron-rl2341> Marketing is the key [14:29] <+Ravenia> "the good stuff's here" [14:29] <+nola> good sized crowd today [14:29] <+lassiter> I know I'd have a consumer resistance to clicking on a "free pics here" link that just took me to a sponsor's tour, for example.Yet lots of folks use that technique...does it really work? [14:30] <+Rowdy> we b learning nola ... lol [14:30] *** Quits: Frank (Connection reset by peer) [14:30] <+LilBiggz> lol@tat2jr [14:30] <+tia> filtering is the real key to maximizing your traffic [14:30] <+Security_man> i always went from the perspective that the page should work for whoever is there instead of making sure i get the right one to the right page [14:30] <+Ravenia> good question Security_man [14:31] <+Security_man> i have learned just enough of this business to be really dumb LOL [14:31] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:31] <+lassiter> lolme 2 [14:31] <+Tat2Jr> lol [14:31] <+Rowdy> to much diveristy in traffic to effecftivly pursue a constant sale... the filtering style almost always increase the overall revenue of the site/sites [14:31] <+LilBiggz> text does work much better, even I started converting some sales... now that is fukkin amazing...... [14:31] <+Ravenia> also-- do multiple pop ups on exit do more harm than good? [14:31] <+nola> also I found that you do much better if the surfer actually meant to go check out a pay site, consoles don't work well for me, but I ise them to punish people for seearching around my site on their own [14:31] <+Ravenia> nods at nola [14:31] <+lassiter> nola: Yes...404s get popups on my pages.No one else. [14:32] <+Tat2Jr> Nola......... try sending your popups to "free" sites protected by sexkey [14:32] <+nola> sexkey?? [14:32] <+DrGuile> or J4F and such [14:32] <+Tat2Jr> make sure they know it's "Free" [14:32] <+Rowdy> multiple pop ups are a style themselves to be effective... is it worth the trouble... all depends but at a certain degree... it's a useless waste of B/W [14:32] <+Tat2Jr> AVS [14:32] <+Security_man> i have found that linking adds to fpa's instead of directly to the sponsor has helped my conversion ratio but hurt my raw clicks LOL [14:32] <+Tat2Jr> Shame on you Rowdy............ I make 3 or 4 thousand a month off pop up trickery [14:33] <+nola> I kind of like the notion that the guy with his dick in hand had to take break and shut down IE just because he went searching on my domain [14:33] <+tia> lol Tat [14:33] <+Rowdy> Tat2Jr... I said not where that "degree" was :) [14:33] <+lassiter> All the AVS firms used to push the "free" word, didn't they? [14:33] <+Ravenia> LOL nola [14:33] <+Tat2Jr> :) ok Rowdy...... I got ya! [14:33] <+LilBiggz> I don't understand how a guy makes money off of pop up hell, it just pisses me off. [14:33] <+Ravenia> surfers love the word free [14:33] <+Rowdy> Security_man.. multiple choices off that fpa can make a difference... much more than a "continue here" link [14:33] <+Ravenia> more than their mother [14:34] <+Tat2Jr> I don't do pop up hell............. just 3 pop ups, that DO finally end [14:34] <+Ron-rl2341> Ravenia :) [14:34] <+Kre8t0r> hehe [14:34] <+nola> I agree with LB - a console works well but not popups [14:34] <+tia> we've used these popups that are very simple, all text, very plain.. and they seem to work very well [14:34] <+Security_man> yeah - i always have the contenue here link going to my hub, but it says something like "i dont like good porn, give me more shitty free stuff" :) [14:34] <+lassiter> "Free mother - click here" ;) [14:34] <+Kre8t0r> popup hell is a good way to send traffic out to trades etc [14:34] <+LilBiggz> i do a blur and exits but thats it [14:34] <+Rowdy> lol Ravenia ... yes... on the new surfers yes... the expereinced ones are getting much wiser [14:34] <+nola> I get about 1000 hits a month to 404 [14:34] <+lassiter> Security: LOL! [14:35] <+tia> lol nola [14:35] <+Ron-rl2341> changing where you put the "Click here to continue" on FPAs helps too [14:35] <+Kre8t0r> but you need to make sure you have exausted all other options before ya send them there [14:35] <+Rowdy> brb [14:35] <+Security_man> thats true too ron [14:35] <+LilBiggz> nola i just did get a 404 setup and it does work for me... [14:35] <+Security_man> i have made a couple of sales off of my 404 as well [14:36] <+nola> I think I may switch the 404 to a console with a few popups upon leaving [14:36] <+venturi> i would guess that about 30% of our sales have come from 404 traffic. :) [14:36] <+LilBiggz> sneaky ass surfers "A" [14:36] <+DrGuile> lol [14:36] <+nola> 30% that's high [14:36] <@WillyB> lol [14:36] <+venturi> just a guess, tho' [14:36] <+lassiter> venturi: wow..really? [14:36] <+DrGuile> we often get signups off the 'unsubscribe' page for our mailing list ;) [14:36] <+venturi> that's from major sponsors like helmy, etc. [14:36] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:36] <+Ron-rl2341> 404 traffic rocks:) [14:36] <+Security_man> like i said before - change your gallery pages to something other than gallery01 and gallery02 and you will send a bunch more to your 404 page [14:37] <+venturi> other non-mega site sales come from other means. [14:37] <+nola> I have such a range of sites on the domain that its hard to get a console page to cover the right porno [14:37] <+LilBiggz> I got a exit on my 404, don't know if it's working though [14:37] <@HippyDude>The Adult NetSurprise Learning Center --> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/learning_center/ ^_^ [14:37] <+lassiter> Sec: Make em gallery 1, gallery 4, and gallery 11 ;) [14:37] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:37] *** Joins: Frank [14:37] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Frank [14:37] <+Kre8t0r> sneaky [14:37] <+Ron-rl2341> re Frank [14:37] <@WillyB> wb Frank [14:37] <+nola> wb frank [14:37] <+Frank> damn lockup,lol [14:37] <+MrsRowdy> wb Frank [14:37] <+Security_man> hell - i went to gallry01 and galerie02 [14:37] <+Security_man> lol [14:37] <+lassiter> hee [14:37] <+Kre8t0r> lmao [14:37] <+tia> dang I wish this chat was a little earlier.. kids always come in right in the middle of it and start talking in each ear.. lol [14:37] <+Tat2Jr> Shame again folks........... make your gallery names all keywords for SE [14:38] <+LilBiggz> make em look for the next one that aint there yo [14:38] <+Ron-rl2341> or don't use 'gallery' at all, call it something totally off the wall, 'smooker3':) [14:38] <+Kre8t0r> yup tat2 i agree there [14:38] <+Rowdy> back [14:38] <+Tat2Jr> panty-pics, panties, upskirt-pics, cheerleader-upskirts [14:38] <+Security_man> thats a good point too tat, i thought they didnt realy look at teh page name tho? [14:38] <+Tat2Jr> ect. [14:38] <+Frank> yep, make all page names for SE's [14:38] <+Kre8t0r> name anything you can with keywords [14:38] <+Kre8t0r> logo images etc etc [14:38] <+Ravenia> SE terms sre good! I like that! [14:38] <+tia> every word counts [14:38] <+Tat2Jr> Oh yeah........ page name is very important [14:38] <+Ron-rl2341> Ravenia, yes [14:39] <+lassiter> Yeah, well, Ravenia's actually getting Google traffic ;) [14:39] <+LilBiggz> do image names help on se guys? [14:39] <+Ron-rl2341> toon sites, page names like 'anime.html' 'hentai.html' 'toons.html' etc. [14:39] <+Tat2Jr> Google pays my morgate [14:39] <+nola> depends on the SE [14:39] <+lassiter> Obviously, Im not yet ;) [14:39] <+tia> yes they do LilBiggz [14:39] <+Ravenia> only cause my sites been there for a century, lass [14:39] <+Security_man> something has to be different cuz before i did that my main traffic flow was gallery01 to gallery02 and out :( [14:39] <+Kre8t0r> they all help denisity [14:39] <+LilBiggz> i thought only alt's... hmmmm good info [14:39] <+tia> hey, anyone know what's up with dmoz? [14:40] <+Rowdy> nope tia [14:40] <+Ron-rl2341> yea, aol hasn't done their scripting change yet... [14:40] <+Tat2Jr> you bet LilBiggz.............. EVERY word on your pages should be targeted keywords.Let me repeat...... EVERY WORD [14:40] <+Frank> I have some good goggle listing from alt tags,lol [14:40] <+Ron-rl2341> blah [14:40] <+Ravenia> I'm on dmoz-- but not in the category I want :( [14:40] <+Ron-rl2341> a pox upon them [14:40] <+tia> I think what they've done is delete all sites without the pics label tag [14:40] <+Tat2Jr> yep....... alt tags too [14:40] <+lassiter> tia: that sux if true [14:40] <+Ron-rl2341> Ravenia, really? [14:40] <+Security_man> mee too frank] [14:40] <+Ron-rl2341> tia, no [14:40] <+tia> well it seems to be true lassiter [14:40] <+Frank> now goggle has that image find deal, I have good listing in it for the names of my images,lol [14:40] <+Ravenia> me too frank LOL [14:40] <+Tat2Jr> me too frank [14:41] <+Tat2Jr> lol [14:41] <+Security_man> thats like alta vista, huh [14:41] <+Raeahn> pics label tag? [14:41] <+EclectiXXX> be sure to put your url on your images [14:41] <+tia> it says right in the submit info that if you don't have that tag.. you won't get listed [14:41] <+Ravenia> oh Electric--n why didn't I think of that-- groovy [14:41] <+lassiter> Raeahn: a "voluntary" rating scheme [14:41] <+Ron-rl2341> tia, that's not a requirement for dmoz listing [14:41] <+Raeahn> ah ok [14:41] <+tia> are you sure Ron? [14:41] <+nola> I still have not had a single SE hit, but I've only been in the bus for 7 months [14:41] <+Ron-rl2341> I should know [14:41] <+tia> I was just reading it yesterday [14:42] <+Ron-rl2341> <-= meta editor [14:42] <+Tat2Jr> Yep EclectiXXX, no pic ever leaves my desktop without a URL on it [14:42] <+Kre8t0r> lol [14:42] <+venturi> bragger! lol [14:42] <+tia> lol.. but are you sure?lol [14:42] <+Ron-rl2341> :) [14:42] <+Ron-rl2341> yes, I am [14:42] <+Security_man> hell nola - i have been in it only a couple more months than you and i get lots [14:42] <+Ron-rl2341> if they had changed THAT, *I* would know [14:42] <+tia> then what's that info in the submit rules here http://www.dmoz.org/adult [14:42] <@WillyB> sorry I'm not talking much folks.. can't do much with my left hand today [14:42] <+nola> maybe you're just a better person [14:43] <+Kre8t0r> i would hope so ron unless they put you on mushroom duty :p [14:43] *** Joins: Da_MoBu [14:43] <+Tat2Jr> You need to reexamine your pages nola........ you need every word to be a keyword [14:43] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Da_MoBu [14:43] <+Da_MoBu> hi all [14:43] <@WillyB> wb Da_MoBu [14:43] <+Ravenia> later on-- I have some questions about getting links to point *at* my sites...if people have hints... [14:43] <+Security_man> lol- i doubt that nola [14:43] <+Frank> hi Da_MoBu [14:43] <+Kre8t0r> bird bite ya willy? :p [14:43] <+nola> I think its because I'm jewish, I've hear yahoo is antisemitic [14:43] <+Ravenia> hey Da_MoBu [14:43] <+Ron-rl2341> All pages on http://dmoz.org/Adult/ are protected by the PICS tag [14:43] <+Ron-rl2341> and the subcategories thereof [14:43] <+tia> that's the wrong url.. thanks that's it Ron [14:43] <+MrsRowdy> Hi Da_MoBu [14:43] <+Security_man> roflmao @ nola [14:44] <+Kre8t0r> LOL nola [14:44] <+Kre8t0r> has to be it :p [14:44] <+nola> Its probably because I don't put enough time into my SE terms [14:44] <+LilBiggz> willyb !!!!! [14:44] <+tia> so what's the deal then Ron? I don't get it [14:44] <+Tat2Jr> Take a look at the source of this page (even my background image is a keyword):http://www.pantyhoseamateurs.com/AVS/white-pantyhose/ [14:44] <+Ron-rl2341> nola, I think yahoo is anti-celtic as well O:) [14:44] <+Tat2Jr> This is how EACH of your pages should look [14:44] <+LilBiggz> nola i hate that part of building a site... [14:44] <+Security_man> seriously tho nola - the way we did it is my partner took about two weeks of reading everything he could on se's and how they work, now we got a couple of number twos and threes and one # one at several se's [14:45] <+nola> I'm just doing this on the side, so I don't have the time to really devote lots, so when I get a site ready I just like to throw it up there, get some LL's and see what happens [14:45] <+Ron-rl2341> tia, it's to protect the kiddies from accessing that portion of the directory [14:45] <+Ron-rl2341> not that it helps much [14:45] <+tia> I know.. but it also says you won't get listed without that tag [14:45] <+Security_man> have you found adult spider candy nola? [14:45] <+tia> in the submit info [14:45] <+Ron-rl2341> umm...I've never seen that [14:45] <+Tat2Jr> bad idea nola.It's just as easy to make everything a keyword [14:45] <+tia> I'll find it and post it up [14:45] <+nola> haven't even looked security [14:46] <+Ron-rl2341> okay, tia, cool...I want to see this...I'll probably 'fix' it:) [14:46] <+nola> I know, I know - but I just get lazy. I work too hard at the real job [14:46] <+Security_man> check it, nola http://www.adultspidercandy.com/ [14:46] <+Frank> If you want good goggle hits "target" 2, 3, and 4 word unique phrases and have unique words on your pages,lol [14:46] <+tia> http://dmoz.org/Adult/faq.html [14:46] <+Security_man> its how we get listed :) [14:46] <+nola> will do security [14:46] <+Ron-rl2341> which item? [14:46] <+lassiter> I just went to www.dmoz.com and didnt see a thing about pics ratings [14:46] <+tia> more precisly this pagehttp://dmoz.org/Adult/faq.html#14 [14:46] <+lassiter> Ah, well, let me see that URL then... ;) [14:46] <+Tat2Jr> dmoz is a directory........ much different from a SE [14:47] <+Ravenia> man I wish I could move my dmoz listing from ProDommes to FemDom members site-- wah [14:47] <+Frank> I did like DMOZ, had all my AOL listing from there, now they pull from Inktomi, what's up with that. Lost all my good AOL listings,lol [14:47] <@WillyB> very cool Security_man :) [14:47] *** Joins: EvilChris [14:47] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v EvilChris [14:47] <+tia> hey EvilChris [14:47] <+Frank> Hi EvilChris [14:47] <+Ravenia> hey EvilChris [14:47] <+Tat2Jr> Oh yeah, I've done the ratings since the beginning. [14:47] <+lassiter> Doesnt say *your* site needs PICS..just that the DMOZ list pages have them [14:47] <@WillyB> hiya EvilChris [14:47] <+venturi> hi EC! [14:47] <+Ron-rl2341> tia, that just describes the PICS tag and how it's used on the pages in the Adult category [14:47] <+Tat2Jr> Hello EvilChris [14:47] <+EvilChris> Hi everyone! [14:47] <+Rowdy> hi EvilChris [14:47] <+Ron-rl2341> hi EvilChris [14:47] <+DrGuile> Hey Chris [14:47] <+MrsRowdy> Hiya EvilChris [14:48] <+EvilChris> nice crowd here [14:48] <+LilBiggz> hi chris [14:48] <+Ron-rl2341> it's not a requirement [14:48] <+EvilChris> Hi MrsRowdy [14:48] *** Quits: erika1 (Connection reset by peer) [14:48] <@WillyB> we knew you were coming in today EC! hehehe [14:48] <+LilBiggz> hi mrs rowdy [14:48] <+EvilChris> :-) [14:48] <+Frank> I always get accepted with DMOZ as long as it's good clean sites [14:48] <+MrsRowdy> Hiya LB :-) [14:48] <+Security_man> btw what is inktomi? [14:48] *** Quits: tia (Connection reset by peer) [14:48] <+nola> I need to get better stats software, it only gives me the top 30 referrers to the entire domain, so every month its the same, gg tommy and DD. Even if I was getting SE hits I wouldn't know it. I don;t want to spend the money on a stats package right now [14:49] <+Tat2Jr> Pics rating.......One more good thing to show if you end up in court........ at least I tried. [14:49] <+DrGuile> security_man:about the same as DMOZ, but for profit [14:49] <+Frank> Inktomi is a database that some SE's use [14:49] <+Frank> you pay to get listed [14:49] <+Ravenia> ouch [14:49] <+LilBiggz> i never pay nuttin [14:49] * +Ron-rl2341 nods agreement with Frank [14:49] <+nola> inktomi is also one of the nasdaq companies to lose the most value ever [14:49] <@WillyB> yur stats software probably supports more nola.. you just need to have the admin up the number from 30 to what you want [14:49] <+Rowdy> Frank ... I still plan on playing with them a bit :0 [14:50] <+Ron-rl2341> dmoz is just about the only major free directory left [14:50] <+nola> so just contact the server admin [14:50] <+Frank> Me to Rowdy, you have to know I think [14:50] <@WillyB> yep nola, that's what I'd do [14:50] <+EclectiXXX> Hey Ron is it hard to become an editor nowadays? [14:50] <+nola> thanks [14:50] <+Frank> sooner or later we will all pay,lol [14:50] <+lassiter> Frank: Im afraid yer right [14:50] <+Rowdy> lol ... u got it [14:50] <+Ron-rl2341> EclectiXXX, yes...you should remember that though:) [14:50] <+LilBiggz> lmao frank [14:50] <+Tat2Jr> yep frank.... looks that way [14:50] <+Ravenia> the sad sad sound of truth, Frank [14:50] <+Frank> look at Excite, they already changed too [14:51] <+lassiter> How dare they charge good commerical enterprises a fee?;) [14:51] <+Security_man> nola - check out http://www.websidestory.com/ for stats :) [14:51] <+Ron-rl2341> 95% rejection rate [14:51] <+Ravenia> ya Lass-- right on LOL [14:51] <+nola> so is there a trick to paying for a hub site the redirects the spiders to all your other sites so you get some more value out of paying [14:51] <+Ravenia> I tried googles ad words-- not much help [14:51] <+Tat2Jr> Yahoo use to be a steal at $300, now it's $600 recurring a year.Still a moneymaker, but first month of each year goes to pay them.ouch [14:51] <+Frank> you better start saving money up,LOL [14:52] <+Raeahn> it screws the little guy just starting out [14:52] <+Frank> this is true [14:52] <+LilBiggz> STARTING OUT SUCKS !!!! [14:52] <+Tat2Jr> Yeah nola, hidden links off your "real" site that you pay off [14:52] <+nola> I just don't have the money right now for a stats program or to pay yahoo [14:52] <+Tat2Jr> DON'T pay yahoo till you're sure you know how to sell. [14:52] <+Security_man>nola - check out http://www.websidestory.com/ for stats :) [14:52] <+Ravenia> I'm getting toplist traffic [14:52] <+nola> the bus makes me decent beer money, but I'm not about to quit the day job [14:52] <+Ravenia> that helps [14:52] <+Security_man> its free [14:53] <+lassiter> Anyone had luck getting SE listings by linking from a non-porn site (say a personal web page) that's listed, to an adult domain u control? [14:53] <+nola> OK thanks [14:53] <+Frank> http://www.inktomi.com/pagesubmission/ [14:53] <+Ravenia> cute idea lass [14:53] <+LilBiggz> stripper money 4 nola [14:53] <+Raeahn> << mainstream web designer by trade [14:53] <+lassiter> Will the spiders follow out to another domain, is what I guess Im asking [14:53] <+nola> you remember right LB [14:53] <+Frank> YES lassiter [14:54] <+Ravenia> ok so a traffic generating idea I want to try-- I make content & lease it out, but it comes with a phat ol link back to me...???? [14:54] * +LilBiggz will be away for a few minutes! [14:54] <+Rowdy> lassiter... it mgiht help in link relavnecy if listed elsewhere [14:54] <+venturi> that's where your link popularity comes from, yes? [14:54] *** Quits: Da_MoBu (QUIT: User exited) [14:54] <+Frank> Most SE's will follow and spider all links [14:54] <+Tat2Jr> I make right around $600 a month off one sexkey site that I payed to be listed at yahoo.But I know how to sell them now.An old "free" listing I got a yahoo didn't make me much because I didn't have a grasp on what I was doing yet. [14:54] <+nola> I think I need to wait until I have more sites to be spidered and a real hub page, until then I will steer clear of additional charges. RIght now my philosiphy is to keep the overhead low. [14:54] <+Tat2Jr> old =1997 [14:55] * +LilBiggz has returned to the action. [14:55] <+Frank> venturi, yes, but you get it from different IP's and domains, if you have 100 sites under the same domain it's not gonna help your popularity [14:55] <+Tat2Jr> yeah, never pay for listings at first. [14:55] <+Rowdy> Ravenia... all depends... many linklists do not allow images to be linked and they can't display the pic on an html page... so it would be one linke per gallery one those in order for the sites using the linklists for traffic to use them [14:55] <+lassiter> Tat: You mean the old link was effective, but yer content wasnt yet? [14:55] <+Tat2Jr> no lassiter.......... my selling technique wasn't [14:55] <+lassiter> Tat: Ah. I see ;) [14:56] <+venturi> thanks frank. :) [14:56] <+Ravenia> Rowdy- I wasn't thinking as much link lists as selling FemDom shoots & video to other webmasters-- but having them include a link to me [14:56] <+Tat2Jr> So if you're not a pro yet, don't pay a dime [14:56] <+nola> I'm getting better but I'm still staying away from bandwidth killers and I have cyberage host all my avs sites for free [14:56] <+lassiter> All the traffic in the world doesnt help if ya cant sell em, right? ;) [14:56] <+Rowdy> Ravenia I C [14:56] <+Tat2Jr> if you sell it, then webmasters won't put up a link. [14:56] <+nola> I haven't tried TGP and I try to stick to niches that have a better ratio [14:56] <+Frank> right lassiter [14:56] <+Rowdy> corect lassiter .. many can't realize that [14:56] <+Raeahn> I have a free host that is hosting my domain -- no banners, pop ups or anything like that. [14:57] <+Tat2Jr> yep lassiter [14:57] <+Ravenia> so-- the idea would then be give em free galleries to use for links? [14:57] <+nola> what's the catch raeahn [14:57] <+Frank> must be ARS [14:57] <+Security_man> prolly frank :) [14:57] <+Tat2Jr> that might work ravenia....... I've never had luck at it though [14:57] <+nola> not an ars fan [14:57] <+Rowdy> might generate some traffic Ravenia [14:57] <+Frank> bestsexhost [14:57] <+Raeahn> nola -- they get the 404 page. [14:58] <+Security_man> they sell fine for me nola - whaz your beef wit em? [14:58] <+nola> is it ARS [14:58] <+Raeahn> and I have to subscribe to their newsletter [14:58] <+Raeahn> nope [14:58] <+nola> the only ones that ever sold for me were the tranny content [14:58] <+Frank> nola, I do well with some of there sites, I like getting sales off there lil popup deal,lol [14:58] <+Security_man> im with you frank :)) [14:58] <+Raeahn> zfreehost.com [14:58] <+nola> maybe I'll give them another try [14:58] *** Quits: EvilChris (QUIT: User exited) [14:59] <+Frank> never heard of that one, what's the catch?LOL [14:59] <+Tat2Jr> The only good thing about ARS is they're members areas suck, so when I get an exmember he recurrs forever!lol [14:59] <+Security_man> they got a shitload of very speciffic niches now nola :) [14:59] <+Rowdy> lol Tat [14:59] <+Tat2Jr> all bought content.......... yuk [14:59] <+Security_man> thats why i am on the persignup program tat LOL [15:00] <+nola> yeah, I joined one of their sites before I became a webmaster, something I would never do again [15:00] <+Tat2Jr> I hear ya Security man! [15:00] <+Frank> me to security, I like taking the money and run,lol [15:00] <+Rowdy> well all... I have to get running ... look forward to see ing you all on the board http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/index.phtml and at the party tomorrow night :) [15:00] <+lassiter> Bye Rowdy! [15:00] <+Tat2Jr> later Rowdy [15:00] <+Rowdy> Have a good one! [15:00] <+nola> see ya rowdy [15:00] <+LilBiggz> later rowdy [15:00] <+venturi> seeya rowdy! [15:00] <+Kre8t0r> cya rowdy have a good one! [15:00] <+Frank> c ya Rowdy! [15:00] <+Rowdy> :) [15:00] <+Security_man> i wouldnt EVER sell ars as a partner [15:00] <+Ravenia> bye Rowdy [15:00] <+Security_man> cya rowdy [15:00] <+Ron-rl2341> seeya Rowdy [15:00] *** Quits: Rowdy (QUIT: User exited) [15:00] <+nola> the sites really do suck for members [15:01] <+nola> I even got the 50 site deal and didn't recur [15:01] <+MrsRowdy> I've got to run as well....nice chatting with everyone! [15:01] <+Kre8t0r> but that $35 is nice [15:01] <+Kre8t0r> hehe [15:01] * +Ron-rl2341 nods to K :) [15:01] <+Tat2Jr> later MrsRowdy [15:01] <+Security_man> JEEZUSS! the fucking icq spam is gettin real thick [15:01] <+Ron-rl2341> seeya Mrs. Rowdy! [15:01] <+MrsRowdy> c'ya :-) [15:01] <+Frank> By MrsRowdy [15:01] <+nola> I like cashquest2 right now [15:01] <+venturi> l8r MrsR! [15:01] <+LilBiggz> bye mrs rowdy [15:01] <+nola> bye MR [15:01] *** Quits: MrsRowdy (QUIT: User exited) [15:01] <+Raeahn> so which sponsors are doing free trials and/or free lifetime memberships other than trafficcash gold and stiffycash? [15:01] <+Kre8t0r> i never had any luck with cq2 [15:02] <+Frank> fantasyman! [15:02] <+nola> just for the tranny sponsor [15:02] <+Security_man> fetishbucks is doing a free trial now [15:02] <+LilBiggz> ce rokks [15:02] *** WillyB changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Adult NetSurprise Webmasters Make the $$$ ~*\!/*~Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Webmasters Only!!!'