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[14:00] <@Frank> yea kinda,lol, have a bad cold right now
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[14:00] <+lassiter> Hi all
[14:00] <+LadyRavenia> lassiter!
[14:00] <+LadyRavenia> sorry to hear that, Frank :(
[14:00] <@Frank> hi lassiter
[14:00] * +lassiter pounces Lady R ;)
[14:00] <@Frank> yea, it's gonna suck if I feel bad in Vegas,lol
[14:00] <+LadyRavenia>down boy
[14:01] <+LadyRavenia>yike-- hard to schmooze & party while hacking & groaning
[14:02] <@Frank> lol, I doubt if I'll party much. the old body doesn't do well anymore.
[14:02] <+LadyRavenia> I was never very good at chemical excess anyway-- behaviorial excess is more my thing ;-)
[14:02] <@Frank> lol
[14:02] <@WillyB> you definately don't want to get on a plane w/ a cold Frank
[14:02] <@WillyB> lol LadyRavenia
[14:03] <@WillyB> hi ya lassiter
[14:03] <+lassiter> Hi WillyB
[14:03] <+LadyRavenia> between Frank & the crying baby-- whichdo the other passengers through off board first?
[14:03] <@Frank> don't tell me that WillyB,lol, I'll just take sinus medicine like I'm doing I guess.
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[14:04] <+LadyRavenia> ersee what I mean about a spell check?
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[14:04] <@Frank> hi kahman
[14:04] <@WillyB> hiya kahman .. WB Da_MoBu
[14:04] <@WillyB> hmmmmm
[14:04] <+Da_MoBu1> hi
[14:04] <+LadyRavenia> hiya kahman
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[14:04] <@Frank> hi Da_MoBu1
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[14:04] <@WillyB> wb kahman :)
[14:05] <@WillyB> I think we'll wait a few more minutes before we officially start
[14:05] <+kahman> hey willy
[14:05] <+kahman> hello all
[14:05] <@WillyB> how ya doing today kahman?
[14:06] <@WillyB> Hope everyone had some great Holidays!
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[14:06] <@WillyB> hello there nola :)
[14:06] <+kahman> pretty good...just getting back from making a trip to the airport
[14:06] <@Frank> hi nola
[14:06] <+nola> hey there
[14:06] <+kahman> saw what ill have to go through friday :-(
[14:06] <@WillyB> the airport?
[14:06] <+nola> hey kahman, enjoying the weather??
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[14:06] <+Snikks> hey hey hey all!
[14:06] <+kahman> nola....not at all!
[14:06] <@Frank> hi Snikks
[14:06] <+Snikks> Hiya Frank
[14:07] <+LadyRavenia>oh are the airports still hellish? I was flying on (gues what date--) Sept 11 & have avoided it since
[14:07] <@WillyB> Rowdy will not be here today... he is at the doctors office with MrsRowdy ... just got a call from him now
[14:07] <@WillyB> hello Snikks!!!
[14:07] <+nola> they are having problems with the heat in the med center - its fucking miserable
[14:07] <+LadyRavenia> yuck
[14:07] <@WillyB> is it gonna be a mad house kahman?
[14:07] <@Frank> oh, I hope all is well
[14:07] <@WillyB> bummer nola
[14:07] <@WillyB> too hot is it?
[14:07] <@WillyB> or too cold?
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[14:08] <+nola> I flew two days ago and it wasn't too bad - just leave a little extra time
[14:08] <+kahman> the line to get to the concourses where almost as long as the whole damn airport
[14:08] <+Snikks-alterego> Hey ya WillyB
[14:08] <+kahman> that sux nola
[14:08] <@WillyB> ouch kahman
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[14:08] <+nola> willy- its 29 degrees in new orleans
[14:08] <@WillyB> damn!
[14:08] <+LadyRavenia> brrrrrr
[14:08] <@Frank> wow, I have plan to try to make it like 2 hours early for my flight just in case. lol, I haven't traveled in years
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[14:09] <@WillyB> wierd weather this year ...feel sorry for those folks in Buffalo
[14:09] <@WillyB> and where it's raining/flooding
[14:09] <+lassiter> It's about 40 here in Austin
[14:09] <+nola> at least up there you have insulation - I can feel the cold breeze passing through my living room
[14:09] <+LadyRavenia> don't remind me, lass
[14:09] <+Snikks> WillyB here is a sampling of the party favors I'm bringing to Vegas
[14:09] <+Snikks> http://www.boobiesanddoobies.com/buds.html
[14:10] <+LadyRavenia> like that url ;-)
[14:11] <+nola> snikks, just got back from the islands - smoked so much my lings hurt
[14:11] <+nola> lungs
[14:11] <+Snikks> lol
[14:11] <+nola> I'm actually taking some time off to let my throat recoup
[14:11] <@WillyB> ah.. I saw that Snikks :)LE showed it to me .. while I was afk
[14:11] <@WillyB> hehehe
[14:11] <+lassiter> Snikks: Can't beat the combination on the URL ;)
[14:11] <@WillyB> Very Cool :-))
[14:11] <+Snikks> hahahhahah
[14:11] * @WillyB thinks the airplane ride will be worth it! :)
[14:12] <+LadyRavenia> Willy has found incentive
[14:12] <@WillyB> hehehe
[14:12] <@Frank> lol
[14:12] <@WillyB> that and the free bar
[14:12] <+Snikks> will have WillyB crawling the halls this time LOL
[14:12] <+nola> I was the guy they had take his shoes off
[14:12] <@WillyB> lol
[14:12] <@WillyB> hahaha Snikks!
[14:12] <@WillyB> like last time?
[14:12] <+Snikks> lol
[14:12] <@WillyB> rofl
[14:12] <+Snikks> yup!\8))
[14:12] <+Snikks> lmao
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[14:13] <@WillyB> welcome Itchy :)
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[14:13] <+Kre8t0r> snikkers!!!!!!!
[14:13] <@Frank> hi Itchy
[14:13] <+Snikks> Kre8t0r!!!!!1
[14:13] <@WillyB> Kre8t0r!
[14:13] <+Itchy> Hi Gang!!
[14:13] <+LadyRavenia> hey Itchy
[14:13] <+nola> hey itchy
[14:13] <+Kre8t0r> mighty nice sample there :p
[14:13] * +LadyRavenia wonders where's raven
[14:13] <@Frank> hi Kre8tOr
[14:13] <+Kre8t0r> hiya frank
[14:13] * +Itchy wonders too ::)
[14:13] <@WillyB> just a sec.. need to help the boy put a bag on his cast so he can get a shower .. brb
[14:14] <@Frank> probably doing more shopping,lol
[14:14] <@HippyDude>Get the Buzz about the Bizzz at http://www.adultbuzz.com/ - The Adult Buzz!
[14:14] <+nola> taking advantage of those after sales
[14:14] * +Itchy dusts everyone with happy dust ::)
[14:14] * +LadyRavenia sneezes & giggles
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[14:15] * +Itchy guess's he missed a good party :((
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[14:15] <+Snikks> eyeballs the rather large bud on his desk....
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[14:15] <+Kre8t0r> lol
[14:15] <@Frank> hi furball
[14:15] <+Snikks> 8))
[14:15] * +Itchy looks over Snikks shoulder
[14:15] <+furball> hey frank.,.
[14:15] <+Snikks> lol Itchy
[14:15] <+Itchy> hey Furball long time ::)
[14:16] <+nola> phone call brb
[14:16] <+furball> hey itchy yeah!How ya doing?
[14:16] <+Itchy> Happy as hell hehe
[14:16] <+Itchy> one of those rare moods for me 
[14:16] <+furball> ;)
[14:17] <@WillyB> wb furball
[14:17] <@Frank> good to here Itchy, always good when your happy.
[14:17] <+furball> thx Willy
[14:17] <+Itchy> Yup thats what i hear hehe
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[14:18] <+Snikks> Hey ya baby!!!
[14:18] <+LE_TheStatistician> hey honey
[14:18] <@WillyB> so what is the MOST Valuable Spot on your Site???that is a good question to start with I think
[14:18] <+furball> LE!Heyla!
[14:18] <@Frank> hi LE
[14:18] <@WillyB> Hello LE! :)
[14:18] <+Itchy> Hello LE
[14:18] <+LE_TheStatistician> hi hi!!!!
[14:18] <+Chazz> hi all
[14:18] <+furball> (Oh, is this chat on right now?Ok. I be quiet. ;))
[14:18] <+Itchy> top very top spot !!!
[14:18] <+LadyRavenia> top of the index page
[14:18] <+LE_TheStatistician> WillyB ========\_/~~~ <-- are you ready?
[14:18] <+Itchy> every page
[14:18] <+Kre8t0r> lol
[14:19] <+LE_TheStatistician> top right
[14:19] <@WillyB> lol.. always ready to see ya'll again LE!
[14:19] <+Snikks> most valuable real estate is dead center of your scree, center right is the next most valuable
[14:19] <+LE_TheStatistician> hehehe
[14:19] <@Frank> the top is surely where you can catch there attension
[14:19] <+RevSassy^AdultWriters> hihi
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[14:19] <+Kre8t0r> or bottom right
[14:19] <@Frank> just like headlines of a newspaper
[14:19] <+Kre8t0r> or top left
[14:19] <@WillyB> good point Kreator
[14:19] <+Kre8t0r> :p
[14:19] <+Itchy> no scrolling involded?
[14:19] <@WillyB> top is the Most Valuable.. second I'd say would be the bottom
[14:19] <+Kre8t0r> nope scrolling is a bad thing
[14:19] <+Itchy> See I'm learning
[14:20] <+Kre8t0r> : }
[14:20] <@WillyB> also.. the right half of the page since most ppl are right handed.. that is just my opinion on that though
[14:20] <@Frank> yea, if the page is to long it will loose attension, imho
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[14:20] <@WillyB> it sure will Frank
[14:20] <+Kre8t0r> didnt think of that one willy...kool
[14:20] <+Snikks> but kreat what do ya do when ya have a layout like this? http://www.barebuttsports.com
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[14:20] <@WillyB> the less scrolling the better
[14:20] <+lassiter> WillyB: But they read from left to right (at least in English-speaking countries) so would'nt they tend to look left first?
[14:21] <+Itchy> tell them they must scroll to get the full affect
[14:21] <+Snikks> kreat=Kre8tor
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[14:21] <@Frank> I usally concentrate it seems more to the right than bottom, although a good bottom works well to.
[14:21] * +LadyRavenia opens her front page & sees her animated banner for her free tour is center w/o scrolling :D
[14:21] <@Frank> I look at it as the right side is usually where the mouse already is,lol
[14:21] <@WillyB> IF they read it at all lassiter
[14:22] <@WillyB> they usually look for pictures or Enter links
[14:22] <+Kre8t0r> i meant more left to right scrolling snikks
[14:22] <+Snikks> ahhh I see
[14:22] <+Snikks> what about up and down?
[14:22] <@WillyB> but the mouse is on the on the right side of the screen .. but not sure if I'm right about that
[14:22] <+Kre8t0r> that layout looks nice text kept in the middle and nice banners on the sides to keep em interested
[14:22] <+lassiter> Ah...so up/down scrolling is tolerable, as long as ya don't force left/right scrolling on ;em?
[14:23] <+Snikks> I have so mush shit to put up that the page is growing all the time
[14:23] <@WillyB> I know we get more clicks on ads on the right side of the page than ads on the left
[14:23] <+Kre8t0r> hehe
[14:23] * +Itchy wonders if LadyRavenia will share her page
[14:23] <+LadyRavenia> ya I'd think left/right scrolling would be too much of a pain
[14:23] <@Frank> yea, me to WillyB, I hardly ever put links on the left
[14:23] <+LadyRavenia> Itchy-- it's http://www.ladyravenia.com
[14:23] <+Itchy> I know i hate sites that scroll left and right
[14:23] <+Snikks> hates left right scrolling
[14:23] <+Itchy> duhhhh
[14:23] <@WillyB> yeah.. I never have horizontal scrolling
[14:24] <+lassiter> I hate (non-adult) text =-heavy sites where the frame size forces me to scroll left/right just to read a sentence.
[14:24] <@WillyB> I make the whole page in a 650 or 700 size table
[14:24] <@WillyB> if it may scroll
[14:24] <+Snikks> but as monitors get bigger you can build wider tho
[14:24] <@WillyB> true Snikks
[14:24] <+Snikks> I do 750 willy
[14:24] * +LadyRavenia nods at what Snikks said
[14:24] <+lassiter> Snikks: But you have to assume 800x600 resolution, since that's still the out-of-the-box default on most systems.
[14:25] <+Itchy> Is that you on page 2 ?
[14:25] <@Frank> true, yet it all depends on what they have there resolution at
[14:25] <@WillyB> you wnat to go w/ what the majority of surfers are using though.. what ... 17" now?
[14:25] <@WillyB> for the main majority>?
[14:25] <+Itchy> stuck with 4 year old 15"
[14:25] <+Snikks> page 2?
[14:25] <+Snikks> Itchy?
[14:25] <+Itchy> http://www.ladyravenia.com/starpage2.htm
[14:25] <+Snikks> ahhh 
[14:25] <+Snikks> sory
[14:25] <+Snikks> r
[14:26] <+Itchy> lol
[14:26] <+Snikks> 8))
[14:26] <+LadyRavenia> yes Itchy-- I'd say more folks have 17 monitors now-- yes?
[14:26] <+Itchy> most systems i drool over do come with 17
[14:26] <+Snikks> most out of the box monitors now are 17's
[14:26] <+lassiter> WillyB: It seems to me folks are buying systems with big monitors, but still never changing the resolution from the default 800X600.Leading a horse to water, and all that... ;)
[14:26] <+Kre8t0r> and about 85% run 800x600 res
[14:26] <+Snikks> say what I mean Itchy
[14:27] <+Itchy> yup
[14:27] <+LadyRavenia> sure, like they use whatever browser comes included
[14:27] <+Snikks> lol
[14:28] <@Frank> yea, I usually have may 10% Netscape traffic, almost all else IE
[14:28] <+lassiter> "Hey, this AOL icon on the desktop looks interesting"
[14:28] * +LadyRavenia gapes in horror at lassiter LOL
[14:28] <@Frank> lol
[14:28] <+LE_TheStatistician> lol
[14:28] <+lassiter> Frank: I'm a hardcore Netscaper, and make sure I don'trun any "browser-specific"code.
[14:28] <@WillyB> yep.. they have to know their systems well enough to know how to change it,... and we want the ones who are more or less not too savy ;)
[14:28] <+LadyRavenia> ditto for me , lassiter
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[14:29] <+Snikks> sooo, when do the kids go back to college and set up their Christmas puters?
[14:29] <+Itchy> I try to make the web site work in both net and ie
[14:29] <+nola> OK - long phone call- talking about screen size?
[14:29] <+lassiter> Snikks: Another week or so
[14:29] * +LadyRavenia thinks she will put an *optimized for all browsers* tag on her site
[14:30] <+Snikks> cool
[14:30] <@Frank> yea, I hate it when I see people put so much into normal free sites because you always run the risk of it messing up in some browsers.
[14:30] <@WillyB> yeah.. you want to keep the simple as far as coding goes
[14:30] <+Snikks> is waiting
[14:30] <@WillyB> not sure SNikks
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[14:30] <@WillyB> next week I tihnk
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[14:30] <@WillyB> hello me
[14:30] <+lassiter> Itchy: IE will be "forgiving" of some coding errors, whereas Netscape will not, so even if ya use IE, it's always best to check the page in Netscape too in case something got screwed up
[14:31] <+nola> lassiter - good point, I have been guilty of that a few times
[14:31] <+Snikks> don't bother to optimize for Netscape...runs and hides
[14:31] <@WillyB> ok.. in the middle of the page around your thumbs is another good spot for some catchy and Large text
[14:31] <@WillyB> is that true?
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[14:32] <+RevSassy^AdultWriters> how large should it be tho WillyB?
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[14:32] <+LadyRavenia> mmm wouldn't they click on thumbs w/o readingmostly?
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[14:32] <+TJay> hey everyone!!!! :-)
[14:32] <@WillyB> hello TJay
[14:32] <+Itchy> Yup thats so true i found that out with tables overlapping
[14:32] <+nola> hey Tjay
[14:32] <+Itchy> TJay!!
[14:32] <+TJay> welcome back from vacation nola
[14:32] <@WillyB> yes LadyRavenia .. that's why the text should be large and catching
[14:32] <@WillyB> catchy
[14:32] <+nola> thanks, tanned a fat
[14:32] <+LadyRavenia> heya Tjay
[14:33] <+LadyRavenia> gotcha WillyB
[14:33] <+RevSassy^AdultWriters> catchy is ez but how large?
[14:33] <@Frank> Hiya TJay
[14:33] <+RevSassy^AdultWriters> is +2 too big?
[14:33] <@WillyB> they will keep coming back to that part of the page to see the next pic
[14:33] <@WillyB> no.. I use +3 sometimes
[14:33] <+lassiter> OK, here's an observation.I went to a sponsor page one day, looking for affiliate programs, and the webmaster section wouldn't run in Netscape. I did'nt bother with em cause I figured a Netscape user's gonna sign up via my site, and then maybe not be able to access the pay site properly, so I'll get a chargeback.
[14:33] <+RevSassy^AdultWriters> k thx cool :)
[14:33] <@WillyB> bur mix the +2 and +3
[14:33] <@WillyB> I like to make the Click Here a +3
[14:33] * +Itchy finds it so hard to think back to the downloading days :) now it's all uploading
[14:33] <+TJay> heya frank, willy bcdc, lady ravenia, itchy, heck eveyone
[14:33] <+lassiter> I'm really against all this IE-specific code I'm seeing now
[14:33] <+Snikks> Morning Bear is wanting to watch the Fast and the Furious on my computer, and I'm killing time in here...it's driving her nuts LOLOLOL
[14:34] <+lassiter> Hi TJay!
[14:34] <+RevSassy^AdultWriters> ya i wanted to use somethin bigger but Chazz & I have been debating it LOL
[14:34] <+Kre8t0r> nerscape is betting to be such a small part of the market alot of people dont bother designing for it
[14:34] <+Kre8t0r> nutscrape even
[14:34] <+TJay> why lassiter? ie is the dominating browser
[14:34] <+nola> Tjay, got a book for you to read. Called "ghost soldiers" - tru story of the bataan death march and the original ranger platoon that rescued them
[14:34] <@WillyB> lol Snikks!
[14:34] <+LadyRavenia> I've used color as well as size-- like red txt-- think that works too?
[14:34] <+Snikks> 8)))
[14:34] <+TJay> sweet nola!!!!!!
[14:34] <+nola> great book
[14:34] <+Kre8t0r> last i looked only about 8% use netscape
[14:35] <+LadyRavenia> down to 8% -- really??
[14:35] <+Snikks> yeah Kre8t0r I don't bother with it either
[14:35] <@Frank> true LadyRavenia, I try looking at my page and see what captures my attension
[14:35] * +LadyRavenia is kinda bummed by that
[14:35] <+TJay> my stats hwo i'm getting abot 3% on average from netscape and only 3% from webtv
[14:35] <@WillyB> Sassy .. you should try it.. see how it works for you .. I use colors also to make what I want them to see stand out .. Yellow is always a good color and I like Lime also
[14:35] <+nola> the only reason I bother with netscape is danger dave
[14:35] <+Itchy> I think about it this way would you any% of your paycheck away?
[14:35] <+lassiter> TJay: Why cut out 10-20 percent of yer potential audience, though.It's not like you cant do everything perfectly well without using borowser-specific code
[14:35] <+Kre8t0r> lol nola
[14:35] <@Frank> I think is a page is right a persons eyes go to the ads and not the pics
[14:36] <+TJay> true... i dont THINK i use any browser specific codeing for jsut that reason.. however i'll admit i also dont test tit from the others eitehr
[14:36] <+Kre8t0r> cause sometimes its quite a pain to get something working in both IE and nutscrape smoothly
[14:36] <+TJay> i jsut use a lot of java script rollovers
[14:37] <+nola> if building a free site, you shouldn't be doing anything that complicated anyhow
[14:37] <@WillyB> I agree nola
[14:37] <+lassiter> TJay: Gotta watch out for, say, FrontPage.It will put IE=specific code in a page sometimes, and they don't warn you.Plus, it's sometimes IE5-specific, so folks with IE4 or less are fucked too
[14:37] <@WillyB> if you have to work with it for more than an hour it is probably not worth the effect you are trying to get
[14:37] <+Snikks> wel I'm not telling anyone not to optimize for netscape, I just find it a PITA and don't bother with it myself
[14:37] <+TJay> and of course agreeing with nola and lassiter... even those 6% of my surfers that are on web tv/netscape.. they have credit cards too :-) and thats what its really about
[14:38] <@WillyB> I've had some ugly almost text only sites get great sales
[14:38] <+Snikks> I think they should get a real browser LOL
[14:38] <+TJay> lol snikks
[14:38] <+Kre8t0r> i agree snikks
[14:38] <@WillyB> lol Snikks
[14:38] <+nola> I think all of us agree with snikks
[14:38] <+Snikks> lol
[14:38] <+Itchy> Whatabout aol 7.0? broswer
[14:38] <@WillyB> they just need to get some standards and all the browser makers need to follow them!
[14:39] <+Snikks> agreed WillyB
[14:39] * +LadyRavenia agress w/ WillyB
[14:39] <+nola> too many non microsoft programmers are very anit gates
[14:39] <+lassiter> We found a site the other day that tried to install and run a dialer on our hard drive.If we'd been using IE (and didnt have Norton) we'd have ended up with a problem.
[14:39] <+TJay> remember pre-ie when netscape was THE brwoser to have!! hell i even remember pre netscape :-0
[14:39] <+Snikks> being different in the browser market has only hurt netscape IMO
[14:39] <@WillyB> yep Snikks
[14:39] <+Itchy> I like the netscape icon hehe
[14:39] <@Frank> I think if you maybe have a paysite or some other big type site you could mirror it and give browser options if it's cost efficient to do.
[14:39] <+Itchy> liked
[14:40] <+lassiter> WillyB: Jave was supposed to be a standard, but Microsquish couldn't allow a standard they didn't invent, I guess. ;)
[14:40] <+lassiter> er Java
[14:40] <@WillyB> I remember when I put netscape 4.0 on my system.. that was a proud day for me! LOL
[14:40] <+TJay> lol
[14:40] <+nola> netscape was good, but the latest versions have not held up to IE
[14:40] <+Kre8t0r> hehe
[14:40] <+Kre8t0r> i never reinstalled netscape after my last format
[14:40] <+Itchy> I just found out that netscape does have a go button and that was a big sellrer to me for ie
[14:41] <@WillyB> I hear ya lassiter
[14:41] <@Frank> do others find if you use banners that it seems that the odd sized ones do better than the standard ones?
[14:41] <+lassiter> nola: Yer right there...Netscape 6 is utter garbage.
[14:41] <+Snikks> raises hand here Frank
[14:41] <+nola> I find the odd sized are easier to put in with text in locations that surfers are not used to
[14:41] <+Kre8t0r> most of the time frank
[14:41] <@WillyB> yes Frank.. here too
[14:41] <+TJay> i think that is becoming the norm frank.. so many surfers seem to skip right over normal banners anymore.
[14:41] <+Snikks> odd shaped are good
[14:41] <@WillyB> I put text around them and they pull pretty good
[14:42] <+Kre8t0r> they see 468x80 and their brain goes dead
[14:42] * +LadyRavenia wishes then that more topsites would accept non standard size banners
[14:42] <@WillyB> lol K
[14:42] <@Frank> yea, me too, I try using the odd sized ones whever possible. Can't believe some sponsors don't have more of them
[14:42] <+LadyRavenia> but I guess that's why they don't
[14:42] <+Snikks> hell I make up my own with their content
[14:42] <+nola> an oddsized in the bottom right corner does well on the intro page - surfers are so used to hitting the enter button in that space
[14:42] <+Snikks> they don't seem to mind my doing it
[14:42] <+TJay> true ladyravenia. . the poitn on a top site is that everyone 'looks' the same everyone has equal opportunity to get a hit
[14:43] <+TJay> speaking of banners.. i'd like to show everyone MY new banenr that seems to be pulling rather well from a specific toplist :-)
[14:43] <@Frank> to me it seems the horizontal ones are hard to build with cause you are a bit limited on where you can put them,lol
[14:43] <+Itchy> cool info Nola I'll be doing that on the next site fur sure
[14:43] <+lassiter> LadyR: Link sites & top sites probably dont wanna let folks compete with who has the biggest banner.Folks'll start sending em' half- and full-page bannwer ads if the admins don't force a standard size for their link pages
[14:43] <+lassiter> I mean, *I* would... ;)
[14:43] <+LadyRavenia> sure-- makes perfect sense
[14:44] <+nola> i'd be interested to see how it works for you ithcy
[14:44] <@Frank> yep
[14:44] <+TJay> http://quadxxx.com/top100/ its about half way down the page.. you'll know it when yo usee it :-)
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[14:44] <+Itchy> Will let you know for sure what differnece is
[14:44] <+nola> good one tjay
[14:44] <+Itchy> move the enter to the left or below it and see what happens'
[14:44] <+nola> I put it on the same line as the enter and exit
[14:45] <+TJay> :-)
[14:45] <+Itchy> beside them?
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[14:45] <+Snikks> great text link I use is Get NAKED BEFORE CLICKING!...works very well
[14:45] <+TJay> hey crawdad!!
[14:45] <+LadyRavenia> do animated banners really do better or are folks getting immune to 'em?
[14:45] <+Crawdad> howdy everybody
[14:45] <@WillyB> hiya crawdad :)
[14:45] <+nola> a small odd sized - the same size as the enter and exit text
[14:45] <+lassiter> TJay: Utterly gross and tasteless...of course it's doing well! LOL
[14:45] <+Snikks> hey ya Crawdad
[14:46] <+TJay> not usre if folsk are immune to them but when i am surfing they annoy me (animated banenrs) i think they slow down overall page performance too
[14:46] <+TJay> lol lassiter :-)
[14:46] <+Crawdad> hiya snikks, willyb, and everybody else, man there's a ton of people here today
[14:46] <+Itchy> ok I'll make a couple banners up this afternoon like that ::)
[14:46] <@Frank> hi Crawdad
[14:46] <@WillyB> they do draw attention LadyRavenia .. but I've found that they click on a text link near it more often
[14:46] <+Crawdad> yo frank
[14:46] <+Itchy> Hey Craawdad
[14:46] <+Crawdad> itchy
[14:46] <+Itchy> crawdad dam fingers
[14:46] <+nola> itchy - make them the same size and color scheme as the enter exit
[14:46] <+LadyRavenia> I am only suing one on my index-- so I am not sure it's slowing the site down-- gives me space for text
[14:47] <+nola> hey crawdad
[14:47] <+LadyRavenia> really-- Willy B-- then I should put a txt link just below it, I think...
[14:47] <+Crawdad> nola
[14:47] <@WillyB> yeah.. I do that .. 
[14:47] <+LadyRavenia> thanks!
[14:47] <+TJay> itchy..off topic....yo uare the same itchy from pornocop? if so, do you want some pics of one of my girls flashing in a police station parking lot surrounded by cop cars in montreal ? no cops, but lots of cars and the station...
[14:48] <+Itchy> hehe just make a banner that says exit and enter and link it to sponsor 
[14:48] <@WillyB> I noticed it when checking my CE stats.. I use a different letter on the text links than I do on the banner above it .. to see which they click on
[14:48] <+TJay> sorry abou that folks. i jsut remembered i could have sent that private.. my apologies
[14:48] <@Frank> lol
[14:48] <+Crawdad> hell TJay, i could use those pics
[14:48] <+Itchy> That would be cool pictures yup thats mine
[14:48] * +LadyRavenia nods at WillyB & thinks he is a goldmine of good info!
[14:48] <+TJay> cool. i'll get em out to ya..crawdad jsut email me
[14:49] <+nola> I got pics of my friend chad walking a line and doing the drunk test, then being cuffed and put in the police car - how about that
[14:49] <+Crawdad> will do
[14:49] <+Crawdad> be a nice avs site
[14:49] <+TJay> willy b. goldmine of good info AND a great singer (i use the word great..loosly)
[14:49] <+LadyRavenia> ha!
[14:49] <@Frank> I think graphics and banners can sometimes catch attension, but it's the actual text with them that makes the click
[14:49] <+Crawdad> got pics of me doing the same thing somewhere nola
[14:49] <+Itchy> I need to do something with that site as i haven touched it for a couple years
[14:49] <@WillyB> lol
[14:49] <+lassiter> OK, I wanna poll the channel.I'm making a site for an AVS.Should I a.) go with a little-used AVS since so many folsk have AdultCheck, etc., or, b.) use one of the big ones that already has built-in traffic in hopes that it increases the chance for sponsor sales?
[14:50] <+LadyRavenia> well I think (hope) the text above my banner is grabby
[14:50] <@WillyB> hey.. I have some pics to show ya TJ and everyone.. jusr rememberd
[14:50] * @Frank has pics of him with cop cars too,lol
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[14:50] <+Snikks> Grrrr...I think alot of sponsors really need to spend more time on their tours...some of the are really slack
[14:50] <+lassiter> I potentiall make more $$$ from sponsor commission than I will from new AVS signups, no?
[14:50] <@WillyB> http://www.maniawaste.net/willyb/rokkin.htmltook these yesterday
[14:50] <+Snikks> good site piss poor tours
[14:50] <+TJay> lasiter. i have great luck with cyberage. built in traffic, and the middle page program.. and even if someone already has an id you get paid jsut for them signing in to your site..
[14:50] <@Frank> I agree Snikks, they all are beginning to look the same too,lol
[14:50] <+Crawdad> lassiter i've tried both ways and i've had good results with both, so thats up to you...I'll tell ya though, adultcheck has a kickass search list that it pays to be on
[14:51] <+Snikks> yup Frank
[14:51] * +lassiter writing down notes ;)
[14:51] <+TJay> tjay has a nice mugshotfrom his vacation :-)
[14:51] <+nola> lassiter - I agree with CD, I get a little of both
[14:51] <+Crawdad> good way of stretching out your content too
[14:51] <@WillyB> cyberage and adultcheck are the two that I have done best with
[14:51] <@Frank> LOL, TJay, the police have more pictures of me than I do I think,lol
[14:51] <+lassiter> Guess I'll make two sites, one for each plan, and see what works better ;0
[14:51] <@Frank> But I've been a very good boy the last few years
[14:52] <@WillyB> rofl Frank
[14:52] <+Snikks> lol
[14:52] <+nola> however, I have one shemale site with cyberage that is a fucking goldmine, for some reason or another it gets a huge number of hits, but I can't figure out why?
[14:52] <+LE_TheStatistician> lassiter I use FreeNetPass and normally convert at 1:40
[14:52] <+Crawdad> frand and good in the same sentence....nah, can't be
[14:52] <+TJay> lassiter make an avs site thats loaded with sponosor pics and banners.. get the best of both worlds. if htey already have your avs password, now ou'll get the sponosr sale on them too
[14:52] <+nola> they also hit the banners and convert
[14:52] <@WillyB> I have not used them LE.. yet! ;)
[14:52] <+Snikks> never goes out of the house, I get in enough trouble right here at home...
[14:52] <+LE_TheStatistician> shame on you WillyB
[14:52] <+TJay> because SHE MALES ROCK nola... dont you know!!!!!!
[14:52] <@Frank> I'm good when I have so much hanging over my head Crawdad,LOL
[14:52] <+lassiter> TJay: Thats the idea..justwwondering how much traffic a smaller AVS will actually bring me
[14:52] <+Crawdad> hehehe, good at not getting caught
[14:53] <+nola> tjay- this one does better than anyother - I tried to reproduce but I can't
[14:53] <+TJay> imho you'll get more traffic from the big one .. it has built in traffic. and its a more trusted name since its been around longer. i knwo a lot of surfers dont buy from a site they dont recognize. they trust the ones that have ben around
[14:53] <@WillyB> good point TJay
[14:54] <+Snikks> yes good point
[14:54] <+Crawdad> it helps to be able to put on the signup page that them shelling out 30 bucks gets em into 250,000 other sites
[14:54] <@WillyB> definately
[14:54] <+nola> Plus all the free streaming video
[14:54] * +lassiter nods
[14:54] <+Snikks> but I will say that I do well with some smaller sponsors as well, soooo
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[14:55] <@WillyB> but that is for the surfers who have not joined yet, and you won't get many of them from the avs
[14:55] <+nola> I find the streaming video to be a seller for cyberage
[14:55] <+lassiter> Snikks: But..but.I want the single magic winning formula! <grin>
[14:55] <+Snikks> 8))
[14:55] <+Crawdad> you got it lassiter, do it all
[14:55] <+Crawdad> hehe
[14:55] <+nola> with 250,000 sites its not that easy to get a ton of traffic to your site
[14:55] <+TJay> btw: willy b.. you look much better WITHOUT the 80's afro we saw last week :-)
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[14:55] <+Snikks> likes to look for the NEXT cybererotica...kinda sorta
[14:56] <@WillyB> lassiter.. keep plugging away and when you build one that works .. stick with that style .. just sorta change the site but keep the advertising style you used on it
[14:56] <+Crawdad> i do real well playing the adultcheck gold list with gold upsells and sales from the inside
[14:56] * +LadyRavenia notes that lassiter & WillyB have the same *rock gawd stance* while playing guitar lol
[14:56] <+TJay> blowupsex.com IS the next cyber erotica :-) lol
[14:56] <@WillyB> wb Da_MoBu
[14:56] <+Kre8t0r> anyone know a good clipart site offhand?
[14:56] <+Itchy> lol
[14:56] <+nola> hit yahoo for clipart
[14:56] <+Snikks> anyone tried lightSpeed yet?
[14:56] <+Itchy> clip art site are the worst window poping sites i ever seen
[14:56] <+Kre8t0r> yup
[14:56] <@Frank> I find that it's just best to as closly match the theme and content of the site tosponsors site no matter how big or small they are. That's why I have many different sponsors to.
[14:56] <@WillyB> lolol LadyRavenia!!!
[14:56] <+Kre8t0r> damn thieves
[14:57] <+Snikks> beware of pop up hell looking for clipart Kre8t0r
[14:57] <+Crawdad> try font sites sometime, they are pretty bad for popups too
[14:57] <+Kre8t0r> like they invented the blur :p
[14:57] * +lassiter does NOT have a "rock gawd stance" while playing guitar...more of a David Byrne spastic shuffle ;)
[14:57] <+TJay> lol
[14:57] <@WillyB> hehehe
[14:57] <@Frank> lol
[14:57] <+Crawdad> i think the warez guys build font sites and clipart sites in their spare time
[14:57] <@WillyB> I have an Angus stance .. I'd like to think anyway
[14:57] <+TJay> i agree.. mainstream sites invented popups not us
[14:57] <@WillyB> lol
[14:57] * +LadyRavenia hates surfing for clip art-- just buy it-- it's freakin easier LOL
[14:57] <+Itchy> lol @ Crawdad
[14:58] <+Kre8t0r> lol
[14:58] <@WillyB> lol LadyR
[14:58] <+lassiter> LOL...no kidding,Lady R
[14:58] <+lassiter> Makes blind link TGP sites look like amateurs ;)
[14:58] <+nola> well I have too much work to do, so happy new year all and I'll see you round the boards. Keep practicing the stance - and Tjay, you should really read the book ghost soldiers, it doesn't leave you with very good feelings for the japanese
[14:58] <+TJay> i dont use clip art so never get hit.. BUT fonts.......sheesh the font guys are worse thant the warez guys... not that i've ever been to a wares site though.. i've just heard abotu them through otehr poeple :-)
[14:58] <+LadyRavenia> ha
[14:58] <+Crawdad> cya nola, happy new year
[14:58] <+Itchy> bye Nola
[14:58] <@WillyB> thanks for coming nola :)
[14:58] <+lassiter> Bye nola!
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[14:59] <+Itchy> happy new year too hehe
[14:59] <+TJay> will do nola.. thanks much
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[14:59] <@Frank> by nola
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[14:59] <+LadyRavenia> happy new year
[14:59] <@WillyB> afternoon MrMarylou
[14:59] <@Frank> hi MrMarylou
[14:59] <+Itchy> hello Mr Marylou
[14:59] <+MrMarylou> Damn I am late LOL
[14:59] <+MrMarylou> Hello all
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[14:59] <@Frank> hi venturi
[14:59] <@WillyB> hello venturi :)
[14:59] <+Crawdad> i'm outa here too, see you all in vegas
[14:59] <+venturi> hiya Frak!
[14:59] <+Itchy> Hey Venturi!!
[14:59] <@WillyB> see ya there Crawdad!
[15:00] <@Frank> c ya Crawdad
[15:00] <+venturi> frank even. lol
[15:00] <+MrMarylou> Viva Las Vegas
[15:00] <+venturi> Itchy!
[15:00] <@WillyB> will be good to meet ya!
[15:00] <+LadyRavenia> I'm off to-- have been for years
[15:00] <+TJay> seeya crawdad
[15:00] <+venturi> How is everyone?
[15:00] <+Itchy> Happy new year Crawdad
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[15:00] <+LadyRavenia> ciao y'all
[15:00] <@WillyB> doing great here venturi, thanks :)
[15:00] * +Itchy happy !!
[15:00] <+TJay> seeya ladyr
[15:00] <@Frank> c ya later LadyR
[15:00] <@WillyB> cya LadyRavenia
[15:00] <+LadyRavenia> thanks for all the help!!!!!!
[15:00] <@WillyB> thanks for coming :)
[15:00] <+Itchy> bye and happy new year Lady R
[15:00] <+LadyRavenia> see ya later gators
[15:00] <@WillyB> that's what we are all about LadyRavenia :))
[15:00] <+TJay> i'm out too. i gotta go get some last minute shopping done and then get packed.. have court tomorrow and vegas friday woohoo
[15:00] <@Frank> k, hope ya get alot of sales
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[15:01] <+lassiter> Bye Lady R...c ya after work!
[15:01] <@Frank> by Tjay, c ya later
[15:01] <@WillyB> Take care TJay :)
[15:01] <+Itchy> tjay hit me on e-mail whatever @ pornocop
[15:01] <+TJay> later everyone.. happy selling
[15:01] <+TJay> will do itchy
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[15:01] <+lassiter> Later TJay, thanks for the help!
[15:01] <+Itchy> happy new year tjay
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