[14:00] *** WillyB changes topic to '~*\!/*~ The Wednesday Newbie Chat - Topic: The Newbie Project ~*\!/*~Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Webmasters Only!!!' [14:00] hey Chazz! [14:00] hiya Chazz [14:00] hi tia [14:00] hi Frank [14:00] hiya tia [14:01] hi Willy!!! [14:01] Hello Buzzard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:01] *** Heiko has joined #netsurprise [14:01] Hi WillyB [14:01] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Heiko [14:01] hey WillyB [14:01] hey WillyB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:01] hiya Heiko [14:01] he's back :)) [14:01] you old whore [14:01] WooHooo! [14:01] LOL [14:01] hi [14:01] hi Heiko [14:01] and Hi RevSassy^AdultWriters in her new office lol [14:01] well [14:01] I heard you are the biggest whore of us all Buzzard! LOL [14:01] hehehe [14:02] Hey WillyB? LOL, I still never got a reply on the prize deal or anything. Wonder whatneed to do if anything,lol? [14:02] I just got done makeing Pimp Vibe search engine friendly [14:02] hmmm well seelol [14:02] hiya Heiko [14:02] use to the links to the galleries where a drop down menu [14:02] now I made them accual [14:02] likes [14:02] err [14:02] links rather [14:02] god i set her up too nice RevSassy^AdultWriters that is lol [14:02] *** jvastine has joined #netsurprise [14:02] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v jvastine [14:02] i want the office now hehehehehehe [14:02] Sassy's got a new office huh?.. cool! [14:03] *** MrsRowdy has joined #netsurprise [14:03] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v MrsRowdy [14:03] the landlord let me use some space in the building tia [14:03] hello everybody...hopefully I will stay connected a little longer this time! lol [14:03] *** cashdogking is now known as cashdog-eating [14:03] hiya MrsRowdy :) [14:03] Hey MrsRowdy, good to see ya! [14:03] did you email them Frank? [14:03] MrsRowdy! [14:03] aren't ya all lucky... ya got my better half in here today :) [14:04] so you are in separate apts? [14:04] *** Security_man has joined #netsurprise [14:04] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Security_man [14:04] Hi tia, Frank, Buzzard [14:04] hi Security_man [14:04] good afternoon everyone [14:04] hey SM :)) [14:04] LOL babe :-) [14:04] yep, the first e-mail was no longer valid and they sent me another, yet no replies. Maybe you have another for me to try, dunno? [14:04] howdy all :) [14:04] yes we are lucky Rowdy :)) [14:04] *** TD-phone is now known as TDavid [14:04] *** cashdog-eating Quit (QUIT: User exited) [14:04] hey TD! [14:04] wb TD [14:05] TDavid [14:05] No big deal WillyB, I was just curious. [14:05] hi tia, Frank, WillieB, MrsRowdy, security_man, & everyone else! [14:05] Hiya TD! [14:05] hi TD! [14:05] thanks tia :-) [14:05] hi jvastine [14:05] hello :) [14:05] * tia is a happy happy girl today :)) [14:06] whys that tia? [14:06] ? [14:06] cause Buzzard's home!!!!!! [14:06] hi TDavid :-) [14:06] how's he doin? [14:06] ohboy [14:06] that's great! [14:06] wb buzzard! [14:06] he's his old self.. doing great!! [14:06] thanks [14:06] I'd ask him but I figured you'd tell me the truth ... lol [14:06] good to be back [14:07] glad to have ya back Buzzard! :) [14:07] i'm doing much better [14:07] lol Rowdy.. he's a big ole whore.. just the way I like him.. hehe [14:07] That's great to hear Buzzard, we're all concerned. Good to have you back. [14:08] great to have friends that carethanks all [14:08] *** MrMarylou Quit (Connection reset by peer) [14:08] :) [14:09] i've got a question if you don't mind [14:09] ? [14:09] how useful do you think that banner exchanges are? [14:09] you too WillyB I don't care what Rowdy says about youI still think you are ok [14:09] hehe [14:09] lol [14:10] for surfer traffic .... never really had that much luck as far as productful traffic from them [14:10] dont know much about them but i know that sexswap is not looked upon too kindly by linklists [14:10] lol Buzzard! (Don't go telling Willy what all I said! ) [14:10] ;) [14:10] i don't use them on clean sites... but rather on the dirty sites within my infrastructure [14:10] their useful Heiko for sure.. but you gotta be careful who you choose to exchange with.. you could end up with lots of traffic leaks.. you have to make sure you're getting good return traffic [14:11] I understand webring traffic is good [14:11] lol [14:11] how would i tell that i'm getting good return traffic?... the stats only show impressions earned and credited [14:11] I already know Rowdy! [14:12] Heiko, personally I don't use them. If I did I'd treat them similar in some way to how I would toplist. [14:12] lol Willy! [14:12] *** Crawdad has joined #netsurprise [14:12] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Crawdad [14:12] sup crawdad [14:12] Hiya Crawdad [14:12] lol [14:12] *** plc has joined #netsurprise [14:12] Hi everbody. [14:12] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v plc [14:12] Hi Crawdad [14:12] hi plc [14:12] Crawdad [14:12] Heiko.. best advice is to try them if you chooose but keep a close eye on it al and then evaluate if they are working as you want them to [14:12] how you feeling buzzard?better i hope [14:12] Hi Crawdad and plc [14:12] Hi plc [14:12] greatthanks [14:13] if you can get targeted traffic from a banner exchange, I'd try it.. and as far as stats.. you might try tracking them with sexlist if you have no other way [14:13] Hi Everyone [14:13] hi Crawdad [14:13] hiya [14:13] the main problem i'm having is that the exchange i'm using is loading extremely slowly and it won't allow the exit console script to execute if the surfer leaves the page early [14:14] then it's not worth it Heiko [14:14] at least not that one [14:14] right [14:14] not at all [14:14] can I ask...what we discussing?sorry missed the beginning [14:14] unless of course you are actually getting that much traffic from it which I doubt [14:14] true, anytime I see "problem" it's time to make a change. [14:15] plc, banner exchange programs [14:15] that's what i was thinking and have started removing all the links.... lots of pages to remove them from... [14:15] plc... presently .. banner exchanges [14:15] thanks..:) [14:15] Heiko .. use a good toplist in their place..... [14:15] are they not a good idea? [14:15] you want to be careful about any type of recips you use be it banner exchanges or whatever.. because people that you loose even though the number might be small are people that are wiling to click a banner [14:15] plc.. they can be for some folks... personally.. not me [14:15] *** Crawdad Quit (QUIT: User exited) [14:16] there can be places for them plc but not really on clean sites [14:16] ok thanks Rowdy [14:16] It would seem to me that you'd have to get a very large amount of traffic to compensate for the lost sales off the exit console, assuming of course that you are getting sales off the exit console. One very new newbie's opinion. [14:16] i was getting alot of sales from the exit consoles [14:16] I have one only, not had time to test it out as yet, only had it up a week [14:16] that's very true Asmodel [14:17] the exit consoles went to a potd [14:17] Then it doesn't matter how much traffic you get if you can't sell them anything. [14:17] yep [14:17] frank, the last site you reviewed for me http://101fetishes.com/ballstothewall you said that it prolly wouldnt get linked to by linklists, remember? [14:17] Your host might appreciate the whole thing, though. :-) [14:18] *** Crawdad has joined #netsurprise [14:18] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Crawdad [14:18] kinda,lol [14:18] so did it get linked? [14:18] another question... if a sponsor puts an account on hold for a "fraud investigation" what's a reasonable amount of time for it to take? [14:18] i was just wondering what it was that made you think that, i remember you saying it but i dont remember why you said itLOL [14:19] fat fingers Crawdad? LOL [14:19] wb Crawdad [14:19] I'm taking a look,lol [14:19] yup, fingers are gettin way to thick [14:19] wb Crawdad :) [14:19] yeah tia - no problems at all [14:19] hahahaha [14:19] thanks everyone [14:19] fruad investigationlol [14:19] what [14:19] What is a "fraud investigation"? [14:19] Heiko.. I would want constant reports from them personally [14:20] i was gonna ask that too, i've never had an acount frozen like that [14:20] is that a big sponsor or a smaller one that did that to ya? [14:20] sound to me like they don't want to pay you [14:20] i've had an account on hold for three weeks with no information on what caused it and no replies to my inquiries of the status [14:20] geez, get rid of them then [14:20] who may we ask is the sponsor? [14:20] drop em and find someone better [14:20] it's one of the biggest sponors [14:20] maxcash [14:21] ifriends? [14:21] did u do something shady? [14:21] hmmmm - did ya do anything jikky? [14:21] nope [14:21] hmm [14:21] not that i know of anyway [14:21] hehehe, you having trouble with ifriends too tia? [14:21] boy thats odd any spam or anything? [14:21] maxcash is pretty up front [14:21] no spam [14:21] I'm getting sponsors now, and they all have terms of service, rules and regulations, and they're quite clear. Either you did or you didn't. What's to investigate? [14:21] i believe you can call maxcash, they have a phone number on their site [14:21] Exclusive Content - Specializing in Anime, Hentai, Bishojou and Toon Content! Amazing Adult Comic Feeds too! Why be like everyone else? Be Exclusive! http://www.exclusivecontent.com [14:21] of course Crawdad.. isn't everybody? actually I just got a check from them.. no trouble yet.. but I dropped them anyway.. no use in having trouble [14:22] exactly... why won't they tell me one way or the other? [14:22] weird - if that happened to me i would re read their tos and make sure that i didnt inadvertantly break any rules [14:22] I'd give them a call [14:22] i would tell em to kiss my ass either pay up or tell me what is wrong [14:22] i'm dropping them too tia, some very hinky stuff going on there [14:22] yep [14:22] i've read over the tos several times... don't believe i'm breaking any rules [14:22] some people are very dependent on them.. I don't want to be one of them [14:23] yeah call em and talk till they tell ya whats up [14:23] security_man, I'm sure there alway link list that are gonna link. But I know for some they like cleaner looking sites than that. That's basically what I meant. [14:23] i'm not dependant on any single sponsor, but losing them is a big chunk that i gotta find a replacement for [14:23] I hear ya Crawdad [14:24] i've got three thousand ifriend tgp pages out there, jesus [14:24] okay - i didnt know if it was the clenliness or a specific thing you saw other than that [14:24] :) [14:24] I've replaced them with JPHardcore's site.. haven't been with them long enough to say how it's doing though [14:24] *** MorningBear has joined #netsurprise [14:24] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v MorningBear [14:24] Hiya MorningBear [14:24] hey MorningBear [14:24] Hi MorningBear [14:24] i'm sure not gonna change that many pages, i'm just gonna stop building for them [14:24] hi MorningBear [14:24] who is hinky crawdad? [14:24] ifriends [14:25] clickcash [14:25] *** MrMarylou has joined #netsurprise [14:25] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v MrMarylou [14:25] not one of mine so thats good :) [14:25] Hi MrMarylou [14:25] wb MrMaryLou [14:25] hi MrM [14:25] like i said, i have at least 3k pages promoting them [14:25] when i ask straight out if my account has been terminated all i'm told is the fraud deparetment will get in touch with you... but three weeks and nothing... [14:25] *** venturi has joined #netsurprise [14:25] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v venturi [14:25] Hey all [14:25] boy Heiko.. if I were you I'd do some calling [14:25] hi venturi [14:25] Hi venturi [14:25] hey venturi!! [14:25] hi MrM [14:26] Hellooo [14:26] :) [14:26] well I would be looking for a replacement [14:26] yeah and keep calling and keep asking to talk to higher ups till you get some answers [14:26] hey venturi [14:26] Hi venturi [14:26] i talked to someone at maxcash once and they were very nice and helpful [14:26] if you go 3 weeks with no infosomething isn't right [14:26] ditto [14:27] gotta agree there [14:27] true Buzzard, I get pissed if I go 1 day without info,lol [14:27] me too frank... [14:27] who runs Maxcash i can't remember [14:27] person you mean or RJS Telecom [14:27] me either tia [14:27] mr and mrs maxcash LOL [14:27] *** Heiko Quit (QUIT: User exited) [14:28] Security_manhaaha [14:28] *** Heiko has joined #netsurprise [14:28] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Heiko [14:28] or is that RJB,lol I don't have much Maxcash stuff anymore [14:28] me neither [14:29] we used them way back when we were new.. they were the in sponsor then [14:29] I didnt like em much for bdsm stuff - fetish hotel has a crappy tour but other sites sell good for me :) [14:29] actually what little I do get anymore is from old e-mail stuff. signups off there newsletter or whatever it is,lol [14:29] i wouldn't care who ran it 3 weeks of telling me the fruad dept will get in touch with me would be enough [14:29] three weeks is plenty of time to switch sponsors for sure [14:29] lol Buzzard, sounds like there fraud dept is a fraud,lol [14:30] lol [14:30] okay... so i switch... but do i kiss off the sales i had [14:30] ok folks, i'm outa here, the lake is calling me...here fishy, fishy, fishy.... [14:30] prolly - but at least dont loose anymore [14:30] it depends on how much your time is worth Heiko [14:30] right now any sale is VERY important to me [14:30] Sometimes ya have to cut your losses [14:30] Does a webmaster have any recourse with a sponsor who doesn't pay? [14:30] later Crawdad [14:30] *** Crawdad Quit (QUIT: User exited) [14:30] thats what i am thinking rowdy [14:30] take care Crawdad [14:31] not really Asmodel [14:31] Ah. Ouch. [14:31] there's several things you can do though.. and one of them is to spread the word [14:31] comunitys like this one asmodel [14:31] heiko, that sounds like BS to me. If you've done something wrong it shouldn't take weeks to identify that to you. [14:31] I've taken a few losses over the years... it happens sometimes :( [14:31] maxcash is a repected sponsor... why would they jerk me around? [14:32] well at least now you've got all of us wondering the same thing [14:32] me too,got one company to pay me eventually, but they paid with a check drawn on a closed out account, so I gave up in the end [14:32] dunno Heiko, but they have had problems in the past [14:33] what was that about frank? [14:33] ok.. any questions or comments about the present Newbie Project? [14:33] The community aspect is wonderful, Security man. But...it doesn't get the money, time or effort you've lost :-( [14:33] might be time to take it to their maxcash messageboard and explain -- very professionally -- what you've tried to do. They do have a messageboard don't they? (we don't have maxcash as sponsor) [14:33] yup but its the best weve got :/ [14:33] yeah td [14:34] true TD, going straight to the source seems to be the way to go, raise hell there,lol [14:34] Asmodel... sometimes a community does create different outcomes.. sometimes not [14:34] in a professional way LOL [14:34] i can't get into the message board becuase it requires my password which doesn't work [14:34] I would personally be calling them daily... but that's me :) [14:35] boy.. they got you coming and going don't they? [14:35] I gotta comment Rowdy, LOL, I can't believe more people didn't hop in on it,LOL, it's a awesome project for newbie and oldies alike. [14:35] looks like they blocked you out for some reason Heiko [14:35] Frank.. hard to tell how many did get something from it... just haven't implemented it yet :) [14:35] Thank you, Rowdy. I really never considered the possibility of not getting paid before. I feel stupid for not taking that into consideration. I'm more used to the "work, get paid" thing. :-( [14:36] true Rowdy, the good thing is it's always there for anyone that ever need it now. [14:36] I know what you mean Asmodel... even though I have been burned a few times, the business has been very good overall :) [14:36] asmodel, another good thing is not counting on money until after 10 days it is in your bank. Some checks are rubber out there, but after 10 days, you are safe to use funds [14:36] Have to go for a while, problem with one of my guys and a site..brb if anyone's still here [14:37] see ya'll soon I hope [14:37] *** plc Quit (QUIT: User exited) [14:37] c ya plc, later [14:37] well on to bigger and better things... what is the current newbie project... i haven't been here before [14:37] the progect is a greeat one but i havent had time to do anything with it :( [14:37] Is it...polite, I guess...to ask people if they've used certain sponsors before you sign up with them? [14:37] except try to implement it on my sites :)) [14:38] you can view it here Heiko http://uncensoredfreexxx.com/LesboSluts/infographic.htm [14:38] it's always good to ask about anything Asmodel [14:38] thread link from the newbie board is http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/thread.phtml?ra=va&t=3442 [14:38] Thank you, tia. :-) [14:38] thats what these places are for asmodel :) [14:38] sure Asmodel, the more info the better, yet, you always have to remember that everyone can have varied experiences [14:39] Frank, that was just what I was thinking. Security man, I've been spending a lot of time doing research, and I like this place the best of all the ones I've been to. [14:39] brb - gotta reboot [14:39] *** venturi has left #netsurprise [14:39] you got that right Asmodel :)) [14:39] you and me both brotha LOL [14:40] I've never saw you on the board Asmodel have I,lol [14:40] this place is ok;) [14:40] That would be "sista," Security man. ;-) [14:40] lol [14:40] lol [14:40] lol [14:40] everyone is a brotha, sista LOL [14:40] so many names that are asexual lol [14:40] Frank, no. This is my very first...anything. It took a couple of weeks for me to work up the nerve to come in. [14:40] that's right .. ya have to keep Security_man in line....lol [14:40] lol@Buzzard, yea, for those that can tolerate me,lol [14:40] :)) [14:40] if you like honest webmasters that is [14:41] lol [14:41] i'm thinking about switching over to a free trial sponsor and was wondering how effective those types of sites are on link list traffic... i'm afraid their might be far too many cancels [14:41] Security...okiedoke. I can be a brotha, too. ;-) [14:41] my experiance has been awfull with free trial sponsors [14:41] really SM [14:41] i know they work well with search engine traffic... [14:42] That can happen Heiko, but there's alot of factors involved. Some sponsors do much better than other on keeping members. And it depends on the quality of your traffic as well. [14:42] I've had them do well... then bad... then well again...lol Does that help? :) [14:42] yeah, one of mine went with a free trial, um.. trial but went back after a month [14:42] man this spirit12 dreams of dr sarconicus is sounding good [14:42] lol [14:42] lol sorry [14:42] hmmm [14:43] lol [14:43] i had a SHITLOAD of signups but not one rebill [14:43] not one? [14:43] right now i'm seeing a 50% cancel on se traffic on free trials... [14:43] I thought they depended on people forgetting [14:43] but alot of inital trials [14:43] not one - then the day they went back to 2.95 trials, two signups and both rebilled LOL [14:44] that can happen security_man, it pays to experiment with various sponsors and programs to see what finally works for ya. [14:44] hmm [14:44] *** venturi has joined #netsurprise [14:44] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v venturi [14:44] wb venturi [14:44] venturi!!!! [14:44] wb venturi :-) [14:44] wb venturi [14:44] that's what I love about this business.. there's enough for all kinds of plans to work [14:44] wb venturi [14:44] thx! :) tcp stack when woogee [14:44] huh?lol [14:45] * Security_man has question marks floating over his head [14:45] lol [14:45] that's a Win98 technical term tia [14:45] i thought i was bad [14:45] ok.. anyone have any ideas for the next Newbie Project? [14:45] a project ??? .. its hard enuf getting thru week 2 !! [14:45] hmmm ideas... [14:45] building fpas? [14:46] I'd like to see something in that area Heiko [14:46] not a bad idea heiko - also where to use them efectively and not get in trouble with em [14:46] lol figeritout .. the newbie board has projects which are nothing more than expanded learning tools :) [14:46] the ones from sponsors are far too huge [14:46] people should make their own fpa's.. it's not that hard [14:46] i like them around 600x400 at 40k-50k [14:46] Heiko ... good suggestion! [14:46] yep. Like making $$$ with 404 traffic [14:46] * figeritout would put her foot in her mouth .. lol [14:47] figeritout, what's giving you trouble? [14:47] yep, good idea, we can fit that in,lol [14:47] I like it [14:47] The linksites don't like them. A lot of them seem to have too much information. Somehow, I don't think the surfers are big readers. [14:47] TDavid .. i've sorted it out by looking at already posted scripts for the assignment in week 2 [14:48] that's the trick Asmodel.. getting it understood in a few seconds [14:48] the linklists dont like em in certan places but you can still use em asmodel [14:48] for some reason i can't post to the board my script now :) ... [14:48] i don't use fpas on the clean sites... but on my infrastructure i've got tons [14:48] hmmm, what is it doing? timing out on you or something? [14:48] Asmodel, the are reader when you get there attention,lol That's the key. [14:48] *** TJay has joined #netsurprise [14:48] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v TJay [14:48] Security man, I read through a lot of submission forms. Some don't mind them at the end of the site. Just not between warning and main page. [14:48] tjay !! [14:48] waaaasssssuppp :-) [14:48] one site has over 90 of them [14:49] Hiya Tjay [14:49] yup. there are other places to use them as well [14:49] says it wont accept my user name .. do i have to register separately for the board as for chat ? [14:49] hiya TJay [14:49] Hiya TJay [14:49] TJay [14:49] Hi TJay [14:49] yes, that is a different bulletin board system, unfortunately :( [14:49] quick laoding targetted fpa's can be useful for tunneling traffic from place to place [14:49] oh i c [14:49] sorry i'm late. been tryign ot deal with some issues today [14:49] that's what I use them for Frank [14:50] me too [14:50] are you able to see the code if i give you this url ? http://www.cwgraphics.net/msc/week2.php3 [14:50] it is UBB and is standalone from the rest of AN. I wrote the other program. Perhaps someday we'll tie them together. We've talked about it a few times [14:50] that's the problem ... some of the sponsor fpa's are 100k + [14:50] don't you know any better TJay [14:50] why would they make them so large? [14:50] that's way too big Heiko [14:50] lol i guess not :-) [14:50] Will mirc save this chat if I ask it to? And if so, how? [14:50] lol [14:50] k please some one tell me what a fpa is ??? [14:50] full page add [14:50] but sometimes if you load it as a blur, a big graphic is ok [14:50] yep I know Heiko, you are right, can't really use them. [14:50] full page ad [14:50] Asmodel.. we have logs [14:51] *** RevSassy^AdultWriters Quit (Connection reset by peer) [14:51] I usually go for the text fpa's if I use a sponsor fpa [14:51] Thanks, Rowdy. :-) [14:51] oh .. lol ty ! [14:51] frank... so what's the point? why don't they make ones we can actually use? [14:51]