[14:01] *** WillyB changes topic to '~*\!/*~ Wednesday Newbie Chat.. Topic: Traffic Leaks and How to Seal Them Up! ~*\!/*~Welcome to the Adult NetSurprise Chatroom! - Adult Webmasters Only!!!' [14:01] wow..looks like i'm in newbie chat...i didn't even have to change rooms [14:02] hehe [14:02] hehehhee [14:02] we aim to please.. and we aim too please! [14:02] *** Rowdy has joined #netsurprise [14:02] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Rowdy [14:02] hehehe [14:02] Hey Rowdy [14:02] *** HippyDude sets mode: +o Rowdy [14:02] hiya Rowdy [14:02] Hiya [14:03] hiya Rowdy [14:03] *** Frank has joined #netsurprise [14:03] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Frank [14:03] *** Security_man has joined #netsurprise [14:03] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Security_man [14:03] *** HippyDude sets mode: +o Frank [14:03] *** Rowdy Quit (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] hi Frank [14:03] hi Security_man [14:03] hello Frank [14:03] whassup frank, securityman, rowdy [14:03] hiya :)) [14:03] hiya Security [14:03] Hello everyone. Hope everyone is having a good hump day. [14:04] hump day is my FAVorite day :)) [14:04] Afternoon Frank, Security [14:04] *** Rowdy has joined #netsurprise [14:04] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Rowdy [14:04] *** HippyDude sets mode: +o Rowdy [14:04] hiya, security man...hiya, rowdy....hiya, frank [14:04] Afternoon [14:05] Yea, I use to have favorite days,lol now all are the same. work-work-work,LOL Hell, I have a hard time remembering what day it is.lol [14:05] *** Chazz has joined #netsurprise [14:05] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Chazz [14:05] *** Go4LiveCam_JP has joined #netsurprise [14:05] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Go4LiveCam_JP [14:05] so... traffic leaks, huh? [14:05] thisll be intresting :)) [14:05] yeah :-) [14:05] re everyone [14:05] hi, I'm back :) [14:05] whaddddap [14:05] dont' want any of those Security_man [14:05] hey SM [14:05] hey tia [14:05] hehe [14:05] hey willyb [14:05] wb tia [14:05] hook everyone up wid ur cam link again [14:05] =) [14:05] hiya cashdogking [14:05] hi Frank! [14:06] hi, chazz....hi, JP... [14:06] How goes it all? [14:06] hehe, how's the Rowdy cam going anyway? [14:06] wb, tia..i see how much work you got done...LOL [14:06] hey Rowdy.. great! [14:06] hey.. I worked Raven!!lol [14:06] lol.. I may here after a bit cashdogking [14:06] *** BigE-WildWebAmateurs has joined #netsurprise [14:06] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v BigE-WildWebAmateurs [14:06] *** BigE-WildWebAmateurs has left #netsurprise [14:06] *** Ron Quit (QUIT: User exited) [14:06] It's sittin here Frank... if it gets boring or something... I'll turn it on....lol [14:07] hey before we get started does anyone know of a good free search engine that can be used on a site only? [14:07] turn it on Rowdy!! hehe [14:07] mnogosearch [14:07] Hi Raven, Ron, Uineal, Chazz, JP, cashdogking, heck, everyone that said hi to me, lol, to many to mention. You know who you are, hehe [14:07] or aspseek [14:07] r those at the name .com? [14:08] *** Ron has joined #netsurprise [14:08] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Ron [14:08] it's on tia.. for a bit anyhow [14:08] wb Ron [14:08] wb Ron, hehe [14:08] whassup frank [14:08] wow [14:08] 19 in here right now [14:08] I just see Willy's chair :) [14:08] wb ron [14:08] lol tia [14:09] I had to reboot [14:09] why is no one talking? [14:09] security_man, I have seen some but for the life of me can't remember who they were, sorry. [14:09] oh oh Raven, can't you see us? [14:09] hmmm [14:09] it would help if i scrolled... [14:09] never mind [14:09] rofl Raven!!! [14:09] I have done that before! [14:09] lol [14:09] hahaha. me too [14:09] this has not been a productive day...LOL [14:09] it's been a very whorish day [14:10] lol [14:10] *** beatlejuice has joined #netsurprise [14:10] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v beatlejuice [14:10] hiya, beatlejuice [14:10] I know what you mean Raven. I was up till like 5 or so and didn't get up till like 12, so I haven't done much yet today,lol [14:10] whassup beattle [14:10] hiy beatlejuice [14:10] Hi beatlejuice [14:11] sup folks! [14:11] hiya kre :) [14:11] hey Security_man [14:11] hi K [14:11] security_man, I'm not sure but I believe I remember seeing search script stuff at places like javascripts.com etc... [14:11] *** LaughingEyes has joined #netsurprise [14:11] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v LaughingEyes [14:11] Hiya Kre8t0r [14:12] cool man - ill check em out [14:12] just wanted to thank everyone that made yesterdays TGP chat such a hit!! you guys rokk! [14:12] security_man... used to have a script.. I'll have to check around for it [14:12] LE!!!!!!!! [14:12] Hi LaughingEyes [14:12] Kre8t0r!!!! [14:12] Hiya Frank :)) [14:12] sorry i couldnt be there kre previous engagments [14:12] Hello LE [14:12] hi LE [14:12] hiya, LE [14:12] np Security_man [14:12] hi WillyB! tia! [14:12] hey LE long time no see :)) [14:12] hey Dr. Raven [14:12] hi LaughingEyes [14:12] Hiya LE [14:12] samn bat time same bat channel next week [14:12] hiya Security_man :) [14:12] hey [14:12] what is HUN traffic? [14:13] Yea, the tgp chat was cool. Very informative for sure. [14:13] hun traffic is a server killer.. lol [14:13] i gotta be there next week for sure [14:13] LOL, LE [14:13] its a bw bill [14:13] yep.. I went over the log this morning.. briefly.. it was killer I think! [14:13] hun traffic is a nightmare :P [14:13] I learned a lot about tgps :) [14:13] what do u mean by server killer [14:13] and if your lucky some sales thrown in [14:13] hun traffic doesn't have to be....for the smaller niches.. [14:13] 3 million bookmarkers = freeloaders! [14:14] the hun can send more traffic than your server can handle and kill it [14:14] well if you say only have limited bandwidth.. or a free server.. it'll send so much traffic that it'll shut you down [14:14] only way to have a shot is with micro-niche stuff Raven [14:14] lol, that's what I've heard LE, [14:14] get a bigger server with more bandwidth [14:14] Man, he must make some bucks with that kinda traffic though,lol [14:14] he does [14:15] like the great sites at Sin-Pays!!!!!! [14:15] but does anybody else? [14:15] and paid advertising also I'm sure [14:15] LOL, K......you're so cool [14:15] nice segway there kre LOL [14:15] we had a client that paid the hun....1500 for each spot... [14:15] but he also made killer bucks [14:15] * Kre8t0r takes the $10 from raven without anyone noticing :p [14:15] i liked it, security man... [14:15] ROFL [14:15] lol K [14:15] rofl [14:15] * Raven and she was willing to pay twenty... [14:16] who's she? [14:16] lol [14:16] gotta hate leving money on the table LOL [14:16] I agree about the micro-niches. I'd rather have less but quality traffic than shitloads on non-buyers,lol [14:16] but you get the sweet sponsor discount : } [14:16] you got it! [14:16] shoot....i really have to learn how to type [14:16] micro fetishes are what we like .. they do very well with targeted traffic [14:16] :-), K [14:16] yup Frank midgets and watermellons is the way to go :p [14:16] lol [14:17] yes, maam...tia..you are right [14:17] I agree Kre8t0r,lol [14:17] yup - one freesite of mine that is an ultra microniche converts at like 1:35 [14:17] what's the microniche, security man, may i ask? [14:17] there's a fetish out there for everything.. not so much traffic.. but the traffic you get is loyal [14:17] you don't have to tell me if you don't want to..:-) [14:17] you want to make money, create ONLY hardcore and teen galleries, put them on every TGP out there...make sure you only have a t1 in bandwidth with a P166 server...then you'll really make the money!!!! [14:18] np manno - object insertion [14:18] ah.... [14:18] rofl Ron [14:18] ok .... let's start on the topic a bit ..... who doesn't have a mainstream site or an exit link sponsor for your sites? [14:18] damn i should have had you as a guest yesterday [14:18] hehe [14:18] i got one after the last chat we had on the subject :)) [14:19] lol Ron [14:19] everyone does then? That's great! [14:19] no conversions yet but a surprising amount of clicks [14:19] great security_man, I think everyone should try to remember to have a chance at making money on every click. No need to send exit traffic to a search engine, etc... [14:19] who do you use Rowdy? [14:19] well gotta finish up some projects....Rowdy have a great day dude! Hope to see you all Tuesday : } [14:19] I send my exit traffic to saleplaces or userplaces rowdy [14:20] see ya, K [14:20] security_man, is that off the exit on the entrance pages? [14:20] tia .. variety of places.. have used v-stores for a few [14:20] yup - put a blurb on the main page of submitool about it too http://submitool.com/welcom.htm [14:20] we send our exit traffic to Yahoo...we figure they need 'em more than we do [14:20] I have a few mainstream sites [14:20] v-stores? [14:20] a"virtual" store sponsor [14:20] oh [14:20] *** Schmo1 has joined #netsurprise [14:20] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Schmo1 [14:20] ho Schmo1 [14:21] hiya, schmo1 [14:21] hey Schmo1 [14:21] oops that should have been http://submitool.com/welcome.htm [14:21] *** Schmo1 Quit (QUIT: User exited) [14:21] hello Schmo1 [14:21] Hey SirMoby [14:21] *** SirMoby has joined #netsurprise [14:21] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v SirMoby [14:21] Raven.. even if you use a mainstream free host (I have one btw...lol) it's better than sending traffic away to anyone that doesn't appreciate it :) [14:21] hiya, Sir Moby [14:21] hi sirmoby [14:21] Hiya SirMoby!!! [14:21] Hi SirMoby! [14:21] Hey Hey [14:21] i was teasing, Rowdy...we have a lotto site [14:21] rofl! WB SirMoby!!! [14:21] hey sirmoby :)) [14:22] Hey everyone, long time [14:22] I always thought exit traffic wasn't worth fooling with [14:22] i have been quite surprised tia [14:22] TIA- what about my exit console? :)) [14:22] you've made sales SM? [14:22] To me hopefully you won't have many clicks out from your warning/exit link. But if you do it's nice to send them to a place you have a second chance to make some money. [14:22] that is still a good point Rowdy.. why send it to where you know you will not make any money [14:22] lol Raven ... kinda figured but it is suprising to see the amount of sites that I do that still send traffic to yahoo, disney and so forth [14:22] no but lots of clicks [14:22] lol SirMoby, I'm working on it! [14:22] its only been up for about a week or two [14:22] Just joking about your comment on exit traffic [14:23] i hear ya, rowdy....exit traffic , not kept under your control..is yet another traffic leak [14:23] well it's surprising to me that people would actually click an exit link.. so if you're getting clicks then yeah.. it's worth it [14:23] where else do traffic leaks come from besides exit traffic? [14:23] *** MrsRowdy has joined #netsurprise [14:23] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v MrsRowdy [14:23] hiya MrsRowdy [14:23] Hi MrsRowdy! [14:23] good afternoon everyone :-) [14:24] traffic is so precious, tia...that every click counts [14:24] hiya, mrs. rowdy [14:24] Hi WillyB and Frank :-) [14:24] hiya Raven :-) [14:24] ok.. another source of traffic leaks is bad links or dead linklist recips [14:24] I put a counter on one of my exit links, about 10 people clicked it out of 10k [14:24] now playing.. metallica :) [14:24] yup tia - it surprised the hell outa me too :)) [14:24] oic [14:24] Now on average these are not worth replacing or messing with!!! But.... [14:24] * LaughingEyes playing Robbie Robertson [14:24] WillyB.. Buzzard says you'd better check this one out :) [14:25] if the SE does happen to pick up an old site or something like that there sure as hell is non reason whatsoever of sharing any of that traffic with a site that does not even have your link on it anymore [14:25] got to get the reminder out tia.. icq just sits there when I have a feed on .. [14:25] So on average.... review stats and only adjust sites with traffic! :) [14:26] I agree Rowdy, I usually don't spend time going through and searching for bad recip links. Yet, I do on occasion make time to check old sites every know and then a tweek if necessary. Then if I see a bad link I fix it. [14:26] hmmm thats a good plan [14:26] we spot check stats every day [14:26] it's best to have your own 404 page.. then you don't have to worry so much about bad links [14:26] I try to check old sites at least once a month... to a degree anyhow... there are some sites I have that have not been touched in 5 years....lol [14:27] What about mirrors? Listing inded in the search engines, then listing mirrors for the link lists. Wouldn't this be more convenient when dealing with places not listing you anymore? [14:27] I do the google tour every now and then.If I find a site of mine in the top 30, I make it better without changing the text [14:27] Pixmasters Content - 5,000 15,000 and 45,000 pic sets at $99.95 and up! See our FREE CD OFFER! http://www.pixmasters.com [14:27] Rowdy is slacking...LOL [14:27] lol [14:27] lol MrsRowdy [14:27] lol MrsRowdy [14:27] doncha just love it when the wife does that rowdy LOL [14:27] I hear that alot around here :) [14:27] hahaha [14:28] Heya MrsRowdy [14:28] ahhhhh.....Marital Bliss [14:28] Oh Securityman....he know's I'm just kidding...I have to try very hard to get him Out of the office:-) [14:28] FNPSteve, that can be done, usually I have links pages and then a few SE pages as well when I do a site and have all pages in some way linked so they get spidered. [14:28] :)) [14:28] Hiya LE ...how are ya? [14:28] Doing good...Thanks for the pic. I'm going to put it in this next edition :)) [14:28] http://www.onlineadults.com/cam/ Live "rowdy office" cam ... for a few minutes longer anyhow...lol [14:29] Oh, looking forward to seeing the article :-) [14:29] nice rowdy - no i know i am not alone in the way we have our office set up :)) [14:29] hehe, I don't think I could work on camera,LOL [14:30] i do too much on the puter nekked for a webcam here LOL [14:30] Security_man.. you surrounded by computers also? LOL [14:30] yup - ever sence we got my wifes - it looks like the puters took over our study LOL [14:30] Buzzard and I sit face to face at the same desk.. it works out great [14:30] Rowdy, is that in your home or do you have a seperate "outside" office? [14:31] my home office Frank [14:31] oh gawd - if we were too close we would kill each other tia [14:31] We have separate offices...keeps us from killing each other:) [14:31] hehe.. Buzzard has a stick :) [14:31] sounds like a good set up tia :-) [14:31] rofl Security_man [14:31] yup its bad enough that we are in the same room :)) [14:31] * MadCat is surrounded by computers on all sides [14:31] *** tripod has joined #netsurprise [14:31] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v tripod [14:31] hi tripod [14:31] we aren't [14:32] When I was at the other house I thought about having a small building in the back for a office but never did it. [14:32] I've got three in my office, she has three in hers [14:32] hi tripod [14:32] *** xmuzicmkrx has joined #netsurprise [14:32] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v xmuzicmkrx [14:32] Hi Mrs Rowdy [14:32] Hi xmuzicmkrx [14:32] hi tripod [14:32] * LaughingEyes picked 3 sets of headphones so we can block each other out here [14:32] Hi all [14:32] okay i just cant type all those letters so hi there mrx [14:32] Hi Frank whats happening here? [14:32] HEHE, I feel so out of the loop with my "1" little system here,lol [14:32] lol LE [14:32] * MadCat has his workstation, 1 proxy/apache testing box, 1 old piece of junk that runs ms-dos and my cheapass accounting proggie, and another older machine that sits around doing nothing but collect server status reports from a few servers i admin [14:32] Life is good now! [14:33] if you dont have a lan you arent welcome, frank >:) [14:33] this is the Wensday Newbie Chat tripod [14:33] so nobdoy has any traffic leak concerns on their sites then? [14:33] between servers, satellite boxes, blah blah...too many darned systems to keep up with [14:33] Great guess I'm a newbie [14:33] lol [14:33] welcome tripod :) [14:33] not just for newbies, lol [14:33] yeah - hi tripod [14:33] Can I get some feedback on a new free site design and layout? [14:33] Rowdy, what's wrong with using a link to yahoo for my exit:) [14:33] hi tia seems like a really friendly group here [14:33] sure SirMoby - hit me with the URL [14:33] thats just mean ron LOL [14:34] ok Ron () ....lol Simple concept actually.. if it can't make ya money... don't send it there:) [14:34] hehe Ron, no change of making any money unless Yahoo is paying you for the hit,lol [14:34] http://mobys-sex.com/anal-sex-pornstar-niki-blond/index.htm [14:34] I would if I had a few #1 listings ..but only on the sites I had listed hehehe [14:34] chance that is not change, damn,lol [14:35] any good sites I can look at? [14:35] www.adultnetsurprise.com/links/ tripod.. there are over 1500 great sites there ;) [14:35] okay......If I have a niche feeder site what type of sponsor should I use on my exit consoles? [14:35] hummm, any sites can be good tripod, it's all in the marketing and getting the surfers interest and attension. [14:36] thanxs i'll take a look [14:36] looks okay to me SirMoby [14:36] Just going for bigger more in your face text [14:36] SirMoby ... personally, without an exit link on the index page, I'd make sure and add the meta tag for adult rating [14:36] while we are on the subject of exit consoles ... [14:36] Wasn't sure if it was good or bad [14:36] *** xmuzicmkrx has left #netsurprise [14:36] Thanks Mad Cat [14:36] where can you use them if you are listing on linklists without pissing them off? [14:37] looks good to me [14:37] If you are linking to a non $ making place... why link to a place that won't list you or charges you to be listed? I wouldn't link to yahoo. Instead google. Or better yet what rowdy and frank are suggesting. [14:37] Security_man.. your own "filter" pages works wel [14:37] well even [14:38] so once they click off of the site that was listed on the linklist then i can start with the consoles and blurs? [14:38] http://www.onlineadults.com/amateuradventures/index.html such as the top banner there [14:38] http://sexypornstars.tv/anal-sex-pornstar-niki-blond/index.htm [14:38] that's a new lay out I just came up with as well [14:38] *** Raven Quit (Connection Closed) [14:38] This is what I was doing before.Too much text me thinks. [14:39] Ron the impersonator, lol, depending on the niche I think there could be a few options. One could be that internet eraser type stuff, another could be a text fpa with other niches, another would be free stuff like e-mail pics, e-zines etc... To me it's usually one of those "experimental" type deals. I try one thing for awhile to test it, etc... [14:40] SirMoby .. the best test is the performance comparisson of the two :) [14:40] i made a script on this page that give targeted info on the time of day they are seeing it http://www.101fetishes.com/eraser/eraser1.htm [14:40] *** tripod Quit (QUIT: User exited) [14:40] thanks Frank;) [14:40] Different times of year make it difficult though.Every thing I did sold the 1st pay period in Jan :)) [14:41] ya... know how that goes as well [14:41] Security Man, I tried that and it crashed NetScape hard [14:41] oh shit - sorry bro, guess i need to check into that :( [14:41] Not your Link - the script from Internet Eraser - SORRY [14:42] Very true SirMoby, if you keep good weekly logs every year, sometimes you can see a patern. There are weeks, and months that things are just slow. [14:42] Okay, here's a question for you that somewhat ties in, is it better to use sponsors that have the same niche as your feeder site or to use a variety of niches?Or is this based on the incoming traffic and if it's been targetted properly?:) [14:42] well - if it worked right - it wouldve told ya that you might loose your job if you see it durring working hours or tell ya that you might loose your wife if its not :) [14:42] Ron.. I prefer to target it myself and then use a links page to offer a larger variety [14:42] i second that rowdy :) [14:42] good:) [14:42] I know the script but I stopped using it because it was crashing NetScape [14:43] At least the one I had [14:43] that's my preference too [14:43] damn - i hope that can be fixed [14:43] Just check it all versions of NetScape [14:43] will do [14:43] *** Raven has joined #netsurprise [14:43] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Raven [14:44] wb Raven [14:44] wb Re :-) [14:44] thanks, mrs. R....willy..:-) [14:44] * Security_man expects a spanking from dangerdave because of his netscape faxpas [14:44] Ron, I target as closly as possible, then maybe at the bottom of my mainpage or the last gallery offer alternative type links. Especially if it's a 3 gallery site. It seems to me if they don't buy off the mainpage or first gallery they aren't going to. So my last gallery usually provides other options. [14:44] * Raven wants to film security man's spanking for content [14:44] ROFL - Raven [14:45] hehe, Raven always needs spanking content,LOL [14:45] * Security_man thinks raven ought to see what he looks like before making that kind of an offer :)) [14:45] I have done that too Frank.. or put a toplist link on the last gallery page as well [14:45] Frank, unless they want to see all the content...and are so turned on that the last page provides them with a place to go to 'satisfy' that need [14:45] * Raven doesn't care what security man looks like..it's not his face that matters :-)) [14:45] rofl [14:45] that = what [14:45] true WillyB, that is another option, swap a non-buyer off for different traffic. [14:46] yep [14:46] and they may buy something from someone else too [14:46] what do yall think about "next" links on gallery pages as opposed to making them use the back button? [14:46] I have always gotten some great traffic back from anarchy .. for instance [14:47] I don't like "next" links security. I want then to go back and see my ads again as many times as possible,lol [14:47] new surfers may not know about the back button Security_man [14:47] what frank said [14:48] I would give them a link back though [14:48] but not forward [14:48] thats what i was thinking but then with the talk of top list links and such - wouldnt it get them going with the flow to have em? [14:48] especially on pic pages [14:48] I have seen sites that do that [14:48] I usually put a "back to mainpage" link in there. That way the SE's have a link to spider as well. [14:49] http://www.onlineadults.com/amateuradventures/adultxxxsites.html is an example of a linkspage that I like to use off of the fre sites... different styles on different ones but you get the idea [14:49] I always use a "links page" type text instead of the blind next link [14:50] thats what i have done in the past as well but i thought that might be a better way of doing it :) [14:50] Security, I understand your point. That brings us to this. There's a totally different approach and design if you are going to be doing a toplist site. If I use toplist I usually mirror my site and make whatever needed changes I need to work a toplist. [14:50] you are the mirror king, frank LOL [14:50] rofl [14:50] *** Itchy has joined #netsurprise [14:51] *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Itchy [14:51] hiya Itchy :) [14:51] hiya, itchy [14:51] * Itchy is late again !! hey everyone [14:51] I agree if you are using the toplist as the main traffic flow... if not.. a link from the mina/menu page can do well for a supplemental type traffic [14:51] mirroring is a very powerful tool - i gotta start doing that more [14:51] HI Itchy [14:51] hehe, I never intended it to be that way Security, it's just that I try so many different things I have no choice but to mirror,lol [14:51] Mrs rowdy ::)!!! [14:51] main/menu .. sorry [14:52] Mrs Rowdy <<<<<,still learning to spell right lol [14:52] hehehe [14:52] lol...not a problem [14:52] ill bet you have some sites that exist in about a hundred different mirrors [14:52] Raven xoxox hehehe [14:52] not russian at all lol [14:53] roflmao.....i knew that.. [14:53] I asked yesterday [14:53] hehe, I have some sites with alot of different pages for sure,lol [14:53] :) [14:53] did they tell you where she was from, itchy? [14:54] Vancouver local born and rasied lmao [14:54] LOL [14:54] * Raven is hushing now...apologises for the interruption [14:54] Now i got to redo all the graphic bastards lol [14:54] * Itchy too :( [14:55] Everyone does things differently for sure. Personally right now I have a domain setup to send my traffic to. I still have some filter pages on sites and such. But I've been experimenting with a domain setup, which is kinda like a catch all,LOL It has about every damn thing on it. [14:55] i gotta get to an appointmetn yall - good chat, lookin forward to the next one :)) [14:55] or appointment for that matter [14:55] c ya security, have a good one! [14:55] take care Security_man [14:56] later SM [14:56] later SM [14:56]