OK, today we have Kre9t0r from the TGP zone http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/tgp2zone/ He's going to provide some helpful tips and suggestions to get more out of your tgp traffic :) lol i may be... the lights are on.. the box is locked.. its tgp time :)) * lassiter sits and pays rapt attention Wish I had more time, but I just needed to get that before I had to leave Take care all Bye Hello folks a lot of you already know me for those that don't I moderate the TGP board at ANS and help out in here. cya round pablo later pablo *** Quits: jvastine (Connection reset by peer) cya pablo *** Quits: Pablo (QUIT: User exited) *** Joins: jvastine (jvastine@24.217.150.Pv733=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v jvastine I have about 3-4 years in the TGP game in one way or another Welcome "applause" for Kre8t0r :) hehehe * Security_man claps repetedly yeehaw! Glad to have you here Kre8tOr! *** Quits: BigE-WildWebAmateurs (Connection reset by peer) the TGP market is a fast changing beast lately IMO so Ke8t0r how does one get organized when it comes to posting to tgp? first thing is its not something your going to make a living off of by itself unless you go really BIG i assume everyone (or at least most) submit their gallery pages to tgp lists when they submit thier free sites to linklists? Security_man... I personally (when using the tgp part of the traffic plan) wait until my "new" listing goes off the site from linklists. Then I hit the tgp's to build some traffic backup for toplist use as far as organization... there are many ways it depends on what you want to do really how can i filter tgp traffic.. i dont understand what i can do.. do i just make a text link or something? thats one way link the text to a "hub" page of sorts i think i speak for everyone when i say i want to make more money from tgp, kre LOL like say "more free pics here" *** Quits: JURBI (QUIT: User exited) Security_man: i think i speak for everyone when i say i want to make more money PERIOD! ;) I like "more free pic sites here" (less blind in many peoples eyes) lol then you run that thru a hub page with a few pics of different cats with ads for each and filter it off that way i c Kre8t0r... I'm just to cheap with my B/W ...lol Exclusive Content - Specializing in Anime, Hentai, Bishojou and Toon Content! Amazing Adult Comic Feeds too! Why be like everyone else? Be Exclusive! http://www.exclu sivecontent.com if you have free pics on your hub it will fly too what converts best for tgp pay or for free programs? Is it a waste of time and effort to even put up a pay site banner? god concept though! hehehe good even i like god concepts >:) or complexes LOL me personally the only "free" program i ever used was an email program i only use paysite sponsors those things are secondary to me i have had 0 luck converting a pay site with tgp traffic i have heard that tgp is a HUGE b/w sucker it can be really quick put ur tgp pages on a free site.. let that take the hit on bandwidth i learned that lesson the hard way myself I agree on both counts so far...Im obviously in need of advice ;) image optimization is a must! oh definately thats one of the biggest mistakes i see Rowdy might it be a good idea to just use tgp pages to feed the hub only - that way you are more free to sell in different ways? I use it to drive traffic to s new site or sub site. 50k pics on a tgp ouch!!! how do you mean rowdy I bet ... the second biggest mistake I used to see was image directories with no index files... tgp folks just love to find those! alot of hardcore tgp'ers use hubs me personally i'd too lazy most of the time hm good point rowdy - hadnt thought of that oh thats a dream Rowdy hehehe OK, what d'ya mean by a "hub" specifically, said the clueless guy in the back LB... a 20 k pic can be displayed can be viewd three times for the same B/W of one 60 k image.. doesn't take long to see the difference that way :) yes i for one had no index files in any of my tgp directories, but thanks to rowdy i do now ok a "hub" page id a page of different links to different niches to "filter" oyur traffic ah I c now, thanks id=is LilBiggz... I got hit for 400$ one month when I was a real newbie off an unprotected directory .... we all learn one way or another :) dont mind my horrid typing ya willyb finally pounded that one through my head and i'm working on optimizing all my images hehe ok first thing me to rowdy i would find a freehost and learn to sell if i wanted to start this *** Joins: erika (po@24.86.193.u1268=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v erika i thought i was just kickin ass til the end of the month hi erika Hi erika this is not something you go all out and learn with paid bw :) hi guya another good point unless someone else is payin :p hehe guys LB... that was my second month in the business around 6 years ago or so... made 100$ and spent 400$ lol damnjuat waking up hehe i had one of those Rowdy mine was 800 tho made 2 ouch lol i made 400 but spent 400, not good business Rowdy: Tahts been close to my ratio so far too ;) now B/W is in the thousands... yuck ... lol better than in the red lb for starting in tgp LilBiggz? what you lost me? LilBiggz, I think you jumped into the tgp gig too soon, at least for paid hosting. Then too, all those nice graphics can sure eat some BW,lol i made 400 but spent 400, not good business was that starting tgps? breaking even in the beginning is impressive that was about 3 years ago LilBiggs: Better rate of return than, say, YAhoo! ;) quite impressive i been doing tgp on and off for a while very true Rowdy, took me awhile to break even,lol the problem with learning on freehosts is you loose major ad placement i'm just now making money at it *** Joins: MrMarylou (pirch@141.150.205.Yi800=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v MrMarylou Hi MrMaryLou Hey the most clicked parts of a tgp page are top left and bottom right Kre8t0r YES MY FIRST MONTH ON PAID HOSTING and where are freehost ads? lol yup shit lol I would almost advice personally those that are new to the tgp game that do have paid hosting, keep it somewhat small until you see some positive results! Once a certain style is learned or acquired, one can be a bit more daring...lol *** Quits: harry (QUIT: User exited) i have to agree, i was lucky i'd even go farther learn on a freehost yep, I never submit to the really big guys. I don't do that well yet,lol Frank prvts too easy to get picked up by say worldsex and get creamed k true Kre8t0r .. problem is, there are very few free host that do allow tgp traffic that aren't playing a bit of rerouting games here and there... as least generally speaking i got linked 6 pages to marks and i almost had a cow if you can steadly produce a 8-10% ctr you are ready to move IMO true... that ratio seems reasonable enough.. can't argue there what is the conversion of that click thru rate kre? but isn't a traffic leak better than a huge b/w bill if your just starting? on average :) jvastine. .all depends on how that traffic is converting for the recieving end of the traffic leak ... lol that depends on your sponsor Security_man any rough estimate on a normal average sponsor? its you job to get them their your sponsors job to sell them and how does one find that info? average conversion ratio for tgp is 1/1000 any tricks you can tell us to increase that? is that 1 in a 1k at the tgp end or at the sponsor end? one trick you may already know from the newbie tips is TEXT SELLS Someone should try to compile average post-clickthry converstion ratos for all the major sponsors.I guess they'd have a hit out on them in no time, but what the hey.. ;) sponsor end juststeve click though ratio is 1/1000 lol i wish check out the statistician lassiter :) juststeve.. not many freehost are gonna tell ya what they're making :) sorry.. meant jvastine lassiter - there are the sort of figures you want - thestatistician.com the hun grabbed me and no signup its always like that lots of clickthrus no signups Cool! i have converted some sponsors at 1/300 before i dont think they do tgp but its a start I'm doing 1/300 - or even better :) it all depends on your sponsor and your ability to drag them there on tgp juststev?!?!! tgp2 lol wow! lassiter, that sometimes can be hard to do. Because hits can be counted from the first page, 2nd page, or even 3rd. I have seen ratios of like 1:20 before, yet that was for 3rd page clicks to. Who knows how many actually visited the site. different beast ive tried all the ones everyone is so happy about converting what a joke nothing on my end is it better to design single page galleries or 2 pages of galleries? tgp2's average is 1/150 is tgp2 gonna work? oh who told you that part of any traffic that comes in is figuring out what they will or won't buy.. sometimes it has to be something "new and exciting" other days, they want something familiar. IMHO , all trafic requires constant modification for true profitable performance in the long run...i dont know really so for the newbie w/tpg the traffic leak w/free hosting can be an acceptable trade off while learning. i didnt think it would be here now after seeing its start *** Joins: Da_MoBu1 (bob@64.157.65.mU535=) Are surfers actually giving TGP2 any traffic? *** Quits: Da_MoBu (Connection reset by peer) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Da_MoBu1 really tgp2 is a great training tool to learn the tgp game overall me either - i didnt think surfers would stand for it while tgp lists were still opperating and to boot I dont use the same content that 90% of the other tgps its all fresh stuff go figure well not huge numbers but enough to make sales :) i've heard the top tgp2 can put out 1200 to a gallery tgp is not going anywhere in the near future imo and the rest fall off dramatically from there I get more than that lassiter... trust me... the web could go to one pic out of ten tomorrow and the surfers would keep coming....lol ... hte cheap little shits see free and have to try ... hahaha jvastine, I think if your on free hosting it's not costing anything so even if you loose some traffic, whatever you do get and makes sales off of is pure profit. *** Joins: kathb (kath@4.3.128.8b340=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v kathb Hi kathb! hey kath :)) Hi Kathb Hi kath :) if it were an across the board thing tgp2 would be great! hi kathb hey kath : } thats what i'm saying kre Rowdy: LOL I really need to take my cynicism pills more regularly ;) lol :) hello room :)) but if you have ever seen a tgp2 chat in the begining you'd understand that isnt gonna happen damn that sucks - its a much better concept than tgp imho OK, Kre8t0r: What would you say are the main Do's and Don'ts to be aware of on TGP? I think that whatever you're doing - tgp or tgp2 - the sponsor you choose is extremely important jvastine, I agree with Frank :) yea, I think anything that mean giving away less is always better any suggestions on picking one steve? lassiter as for posting? juststeve... yes... very true! as with all types of traffic... some things work better than others Site creation, linkinhg,etc. generally speaking that is thats a must juststeve!! yep - look for little guys with an unusual concept - the bangbus seems to do ok for example yup they are doin good ah so ultra niche works better than general stuff huh? I agree Security_man, it is a good concept - more advertising room for the sponsor too :) I remember when 8 pics would fly for a tgp, now some biggies like seeing 14, 16, etc... heck that's almost a free site,LOL oxcash overall has done great for tgp i use 15 on most of my templates Frank jeezus thats is a freesite, almost the more micro-niche the better microniche rocks :) Kre8t0r.. is there a general file size? both dimensions and bytes? I would seem to me that the more different a tgp page is, niche etc.. the better chance you'd have to get interest. hehe yep frank but there is always gonna be some joker giving it away for free just to get the traffic. I don't think it can be stopped mariesplace always does well and that is very microniche *** Joins: TJay (TJay@204.118.189.SX45=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v TJay hey TJay :) howdy folks !! Hi TJay hi t-jay we are having a debate on the board about that now.... hi Tjay Hi Tjay :) me personally i use 450 wide x a variable TJay!! LilBiggz, that's very true. But it doesn't have to be me,LOL sorry i'm late.. i jsut crawled outta bed i assume that is for a lanscape orientation kre? let me rephrase that.. is there a general acceptable min.in the dimensions? lol me neither i shut mine down... lol yes How do you indicate a microniche when TGP lists usually only let you have a 3-word description? Security_man yes absolutely :) *** Joins: LadyR (ravenia@63.163.164.eM26=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v LadyR well the category you list in is a start Hiya LadyR *** Joins: Crawdad (cecraw4d@209.253.228.ni608=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v Crawdad lassiter.. as specific of a term or slang as you can use hi folks-- sorry I got hung up * lassiter pounces LadyR Hi Crawdad! cdiddy - :)) hey LadyR - hello Crawdad :) Hi Crawdad :) Hi everybody! Hi LadyR i wouldnt go smaller than X x 450 or 450 x X Rowdy: Afghan Lesbian Amputees? ;) the places i've done reviews for use 400pix wide as a min but ya need to go a bit bigger to get listed lol lol lassiter .. that wold be it ... hahaha gotta leave that stuff to the guys who know what they are doin... do most tgps require recips? lol, there ya go lassiter, I was thinking midget amputee's but that's me,LOL hi crawdad yes Security_man hiya biggz the ones with the traffic do :p Frank: We probably don't wanna go there ;) LOL even tho there is no real use for it Hi Crawdad.. seems ya have corrupted Frank .. lol lol so if you use your free site galleries as tpg gallerys do you put them up before linklists list it? Security_man: just mirror like crazy except maybe link pop He did Rowdy! how did i corrupt frank? k Kre8t0r :) ahhh - duh hadnt thought of that LOL because frank is young and impressionable Yes I am Tjay,LOL lol frank is an old man..... :) too many midget amputee references craw dad LOL lol watch it whippersnapper - I'm older than Frank :) The thing I do like about tgp is if/when a page gets into the SE's. That's cool to get SE hits on a tgp page. steve!!! midgets with watermellons are great!! whoah that old my old buddy! midgetpie ok guys here are a few guidelines from a tgp I review for midgets rule Thumbs: The surfer should be able to see what's going on in the thumb before they click on it. If the thumb's been poorly optimised, they can't almost regardless of image size. Thumbs: It's also pretty difficult to see, if the thumb is smaller than 80 high or 50 wide. (Some exceptions). Full-size images: Grainy, pixelated images (newsgroups, or multi-generation images). 'Full-size' images under 300 on either axis - the only exceptions are webcam / vid caps / pics from Real Amateurs midget watermellon insertion pics? now thats micro niche LOL thanks pal - I noticed the 'old' - and tjay - I'm much older :)) lol, yep, I'm a young 43,lol ok here is what i dont understand.. why is it so damned hard ot get listed on tgp's and how can you possibly get submitted on a lot when they all want recips? you cna overflow your gallery with recips but htey all want it cool .. thanks MrMarylou :) Good info MEGA PACK sale! Every 15,000 pick Maga Pack is on sale for $149.00. This is a LIMITED sale so don't wait http://www.pixmast ers.com/mega.html! i'm ten years younger than u frank does sharper thumbs help keep the B/W down by keeping the surfers from clicking pics they really didn't want to see? Clear, fast-loading thumbs which they can get to easily on a page which doesn't annoy them or try to screw with their browser. When they click on what looks like a thumb, they expect to be directly taken to the full-size image. The page should also fit into an 800 pixel wide window tats the nature of the beast TJay my recip folder is HUGE and i am five years younger than that crawdad :) TJay: Mirror the TGP page.3-4 recipcs on each. actually i am even younger now that i think about it LOL ok, mr marylou, i got a message once that my thumbs were too big.they were about 130 tall Slow loading. The first thumb should download within 15-20 seconds on a 56k connection Depends on the TGP TJay, from what I've seen it's best to put 3 or 4 links on a page and "mirror" the hell out of it. I usually have 20 or 30 "mirrored" pages for 1 gallery when I do a tgp page. 30X3 that's 90 tgp links i prefer my thumbs to be 100x75 yes rowdy the sparper and even making them a bit larger helps sharper even *** Retrieving #netsurprise channel info... thats what i'v always used. occasionaly i drop to 90x60 TJay - that's the size I've always used too - it works well everywhere it seems :) i like bigger thumbs for alot of reasons. bigger thumbs bad.. more bandwidth cool thanks frank k Kre8t0r .. rather figured it was still that way but I haven't played the tgp game seriously in quite some time :) but less clicks to larger pics right cdad? What We Think Surfers Don't Like In A Thumbs Page Slow loading. The first thumb should download within 15-20 seconds on a 56k connection (from clicking the link). All the thumbs should be downloaded within a minute or so. I use ISDN, but look comparatively at other pages (esp rr/choice.s html to try to judge net load times). i'm not sure when i'll have the time to start trying my hand at tgp again... but it goods to know what to do :-) if nothing else, so ican give my affiialte advice :-) bigger thumbs good, takes longer to load and some of your traffic will click a text link at the top of the page and be gone before they ever load any of your pics Clear thumbs. The content and quality of the full size pic should be clear in the thumb. Broken images. They don't want to hit refresh or show picture to see all the thumbs. Consoles on entry or exit. Resizing the browser window. I personally surf these in a new window @ 800 wide, so I notice it when it happens. Misleading surfers, either by misleading claims in advertising or linking a thumb or pic type image to a sponsor. Preventing anyone from right-clickin g. Not being able to see what's going on in the thumb or looking at really low quality full-size images. overall 100x75 works good Frames. TJay, I agrre with your meaning. But I have seen that sometimes "bigger" thumbs can mean "less" clicks to the actual full-size images. So it can work both ways. If done right it can save BW. that's what i was trying to say frank, thanks And also having series pics that are close to the same,LOL that way maybe they only click 1, 2, or 3, pics ok what else The most important thing I have found is the speed in which you page loads good point fran kand crawdad.. agian i'm coming form the paysite point of view, where the opposit is true. if thumbs are big and lsowloading , then you just havea surfer that wont join. or if they already have, they arent goign to recurr you dont have much time with a tgp surfer MrMaryLou: All good advice.I personally want to hurt people who force a resized browser window on me, and I imagine surfers arent any different true words mr marylou.you've got seconds to sellsome of them Tjay, when I meant big thumbs I didn't mean slow loading. That can be a negative for sure. You can optimize larger thumbs to be faster loading. heres one thing as a reviewer most dont own the site they work for and you are just a job they need to complete...so thinking that way you need to make sure you follow rules!! lets be hostest your not going to sell the bookmarkers shit you are selling the chance surfer coming in for the first time TJay... that's where the optimization is so important on the free site.. in some cases I've compressed enough to even make the quality of the free image worse... stressing to the surfer that the "real" versions were ten time more clear, bigger and sharper... that type of yadda yadda crap :) hell yes mml right.. gotcha the tgp owers want to keep and make bookmarkers brb - phone :) yup bookmarkers, you mean those weasels on Thehun? I agree as well as link sites lol gonzo i sell real well on the hun so your selling to SE traffic True Rowdy, I'm usually able to do pretty large full-sized pics 600-700 on the long side and still keep them 30-40K man you must be selling your sites ok th hun is a debate that can go on for days :p i'll never tell gonzo....:) kinda like pk LOL midgets and watermellons Crawdad?? now, i don't sell well with worldsex hehehehe Kre8t0r I don't see hardly doing the biggies anymore, they seem not to wanna buy,LOL ooops I better be quiet. I can tell you who I sued to sell very well on... Another thing is keep you sponsors fresh always use the newest sites and programs *** Joins: roscoe (content@12.255.178.bB803=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v roscoe GOOD IDEA mr marylou :-) yes MrMarylou wow you can sue to do well >:) Hiya roscoe! *** Quits: MrMarylou (Connection reset by peer) heya roscoe hello and alot of smaller sponsors work better overall *** Quits: jvastine (Connection reset by peer) *** Quits: LadyR (Connection reset by peer) thats another good point is find out what tgp's you can sell your pitch too, it may save you a lot of bw i gotta jam people, someone's at the door...cya'll next week Hi Roscoe :) *** Quits: Crawdad (QUIT: User exited) cya cdiddy c ya Crawdad, later! cya crawdad yup weeding out the non productive sites is a must LilBiggz so how many tgps should i submit to to find out who does well and who doesnt? *** Joins: MrMarylou (pirch@141.150.205.n8737=) *** HippyDude sets mode: +v MrMarylou oops which mean watching stats like a hawk wb MrM watching the shave depends how big you want to go Security_man security_man, as many as you can find,LOL I have had the best luck with smaller ones that I never heard of and found by accident. Now I review over 800 galleries 7days a week So I have seen it all okay - if you have six tgps sending traffic to one mirror gallery - how can you tell which ones sell and which ones dont? if you have a sponsor that tracks your refferering url it's a big help... ce hint hint there are plenty medium tgps that convert great Security_man.. alot of that will depend on how well YOU sell that certain sponsor to that certain tgp traffic.... results vary drastically from what I've seen! Thanks for fixing my fuckup MrMaryLou,LO L i've done that for years MrMarylou i know your pain : ] small and medium ones are the best ive found. hey does anyone else still use picposts? not me who do you review for mrm? not I