[15:09] *** Kre8t0r changes topic to 'Time for newbie chat with Special guest MikeB of Cyber Erotica! ~*\!/*~Welcome to Netsurprise! Today is Wednesday - September 25th, 2002 ~*\!/*~- Adult Webmasters Only!!!' [15:09] Hi Lassiter [15:09] Today we're lucky enough to have MikeB(of CyberErotica if you didn't know) chatting with us for general Q&A :) [15:10] Everyone well? [15:10] Hi Eclectixxx [15:10] hi Eclectixxx [15:10] Hi Mike [15:10] Hiya LAssiter [15:10] Hi Crawdad [15:10] hi Crawdad [15:10] Electixxx [15:11] hi Eclectixxx [15:11] ahh it's my peanut butter buddy! [15:11] LOL! mmmmmm [15:11] MikeB .. do you have any opening statements or comments or shall we go straight into general questions? [15:11] i just had some Tagalongs! [15:11] Hello Eclectixxx [15:11] hiya Frank [15:11] Just a comment about the Los Angeles AWE... [15:11] hey ya know Frank those folks never contacted me.... [15:11] Great .. let's hear about it :) [15:11] anyone who's in the area should try to make it out there...the AWE is a great place for anyone getting started [15:12] or even if you are not a newbie - you can learn a lot there. [15:12] I agree! [15:12] When is it in Tampa? [15:12] Eclectixxx I'm sending you a PM [15:12] pbmax, Kath posted some awesome airfairs on the main board, some were like fifty bucks [15:12] pbmax .. LA is the last one this year [15:12] awww [15:12] hi cptbilly [15:13] I plan on being in LA [15:13] never fear though.. there will be more next year :) [15:13] i'm on java chat Frank don't think i can get it [15:13] :-) [15:14] Everyone is familiar with the AWE shows.. correct? [15:14] Frank could you send me a tylenol PM? [15:14] damn, I just sent it, LOL, if not resend me another e-mail frank@adultnetsurprise.com [15:15] ok i figured it out ho to pm on this lol [15:15] Rowdy: I vote for one in TX ;) [15:15] AWE's are AWESOME! [15:15] Love to make one [15:15] lol Lassiter.. don't blame ya :) [15:16] So what is on the mind of newbies these days - what are your biggest concerns/problems? [15:16] Awe's Rock [15:16] ok.. guess we'll open up with some questions.. Does anyone have anything to ask MikeB? :) [15:16] I'd like to ask a question but I'm all questioned outlol [15:16] lol pbmax [15:16] MikeB - What is it that you do at Cyber Erotica? [15:17] MikeB: Oh, simple ones. ;)Getting sales in a very crowded market, etc. ;) [15:17] (Get's bugged by me quite a bit for one...lol) [15:17] A variety of things...I manage our mailer programs and the newsletters that get sent out (about 12+ million a day) [15:17] lol [15:17] awesome [15:17] I also provide support and techinical assistance to our webmasters in our cash program [15:18] 12 million a day?awesome! [15:18] I help develop new products. I created fraud detection tools for both our E-commerce and our webmaster programs. [15:18] I over see the staff for both the E-commerce fraud and Webmaster fraud/support [15:18] over see = oversee [15:18] Does it seems that any one thing is doing better now days than any other. Is there any trends changes? [15:19] Amatuer content [15:19] Oh cool! I like doing amateur [15:19] what about sub cats? [15:19] That's my area too ;) [15:19] nice benefit to get to work with content you like :) [15:20] yup [15:20] I mean Amateur sites.... [15:20] HomeGrown Video is doing very well [15:20] Their conversion rates are among the best./ [15:20] I hope so MikeB that's what I use LOL [15:20] All my sites are amature! LOL [15:20] that was a freudian slip, cause I'd love to actually do Amateur content lol [15:20] NOT many "real amateur" things out there except for personal sites. [15:21] lol [15:21] It seems that the more original your site/content it is, the better it will do. HomeGrown were the orignal amateurs...they go back to before Al Gore invented the Internet :-) [15:21] lol MikeB [15:21] I have been a HomeGrown fan for years. Even before the net :) [15:21] lol MIke [15:22] I remember renting very early Homegrown tapes..and yes that was quite a long time ago ;) [15:22] My parents probably rented them too. [15:22] Hi Marie [15:22] hi Cheekymarie! [15:22] Oh by all means. Being a amateur surfer we want real amateurs. Not the studio pic stuff. [15:22] Goodmorning :) [15:22] Hi Cheekymarie [15:22] Hi Marie [15:22] I had a crush on Deina, one of their earliest feature gals, but alas, she obviously prefered black guys LOL [15:22] Hi Crawdad, Rowdy :) [15:22] hi pbmax [15:22] Hiya Frank :0 [15:22] Damn "Phone" brb :( [15:23] Sorry I'm late slept in :( [15:23] a quick poll - what type of sites do you all do? [15:23] Hiya Cheekymarie! [15:23] MikeB .. how do you think the flash ads will be accepted by the surfers? [15:23] I see amature teen amature housewives ect... thats what I meant by sub cats [15:23] Hi Lassiter :) [15:23] MikeB: I do 1/2 amatuer and 1/2 femdom/fetish/BDSM [15:24] I do a bit of everything :) [15:24] in general that is [15:24] I think they may do well on places that have middle to lower quality traffic. My concern is that when they are placed on sites that rely mostly on recurring/bookmarked visitors, it may piss some of them off into not coming back. [15:24] I do gay, bisexual, bbw mainly [15:24] But I've been wrong before [15:24] My amateur corsses over into hairy & shaved fetish, etc. [15:24] er crosses [15:24] MikeB ? Do you feel that we are forgetting the lowband surfers ? [15:24] a lil bit of everything.... [15:24] Hi Eclectixxx :) [15:25] hiya marie! [15:25] i do movies, gay and straight [15:25] I like panties...I mean doing panty sites lol [15:25] I know we have been forgetting the low band users for a long time. we are having all of our tours remade to accomodate dial up users bette [15:25] better [15:25] lol [15:26] MikeB.. so do you think on the "bookmarker" sites they should use one that has the close button included on it? [15:26] We recently redid the tour for one of our best sites, Amateur Bitch. The old tour was massive, over 125K per page. We redid it and the conversions improved almost 100%...mostly because the page loads faster and the dialup users can now see the tour page load in a semi-reasonable amount of time [15:27] 100% ! wow [15:27] Rowdy - I'd recommend using one that has a close button, or none at all...it all depends on the type of bookmarkers you have. [15:27] MikeB: I run my own small amateur pay site & am shooting a lot of content for eventual re-licensing.Is there somewhere to go for guidelines on possibly selling content to CE? [15:28] good point on load times :) [15:28] Lassite - our content manager is jen@inetb.com - you can contact her directly and find out what she is looking for. Our needs change from time to time, and to be honest I don't deal with the content nearly as much as she does [15:28] OK, cool! Thanks! [15:28] Lassiter is it pics only or pics and video? [15:29] Both, MikeB [15:29] cool. [15:29] Hit Jen up and see what she needs [15:29] Great...realy just exploring hte possibilitys right now but I'd like to find out what her expectationa re ;) [15:30] right on :-) [15:30] ok MikeB .. let's talk traffic.. where do you think people will get the most for their time/efforts? [15:31] SE's., linklists, tgps, combos [15:31] I'll know about this later, as I am going to try my hand in the TGP's soon and see how I do :-) [15:31] kewl MikeB [15:31] MikeB: You mean you do all that work for CE and still have time to build sites? ;) [15:31] So, you're gonna be a regular on the tgp board? :) [15:32] If you use TGPs now, I highly recommend our mags...they convert EXCELLENT with TGP traffic. People are much more willing to give up their email address for some porn thanentering their credit card #. [15:32] hehehe, that was gonna be my question Rowdy [15:32] :) [15:32] Lassiter - I started to do TGP's last month, and haven't done 1 thing except buy some content lol [15:32] I agree Mike [15:32] i like the CE mags [15:33] So, do you think beginners should stick to traditional linklist use and so forth as they learn? [15:33] If you are going to do PayPerClick SE's have a budget for trial and error. It takes some time and effort to find the perfect keywords and ads to make money on your traffic, its a lot more competitive now than it used to be [15:34] good tip [15:34] I recommend starting out with the least amount of capitol required, so if you can do that by doing link trades and TGP's, excellent. [15:34] when spending it to make it.. watch the money closely :) [15:35] MikeB: On low-end or exit traffic sales, is the "porn for a buck" program still being pushed, or is the energy going more into the CE mags now? [15:35] MikeB ? Should one tend to build niche specific more than just general babes ect ? [15:35] And on the regular search engines, don't try to be #1 for any keywords. That will just draw heat and everyone will copy your page. Try to be like #6 or #10 - there's less of a chance of getting copied down there. Everyone copies the top spots pages and submits them :-) [15:36] Interesting [15:36] Most of our energy is on the mags and the paysites...not so much on the porn for a buck model. Its stil there, but not every thing we try is a home run :-) [15:36] MrMaryLou - in my opinion yes [15:37] MikeB: Yeas, PFAB hasn't drawn much interest on my sites, but CE Mages do a bit better, mainly 'cause their a bit more niche-specific [15:37] Is the more niche traffic recomended beacuse of the lower amount of competition or because the sale is a bit easier to get with it being more targetted? [15:37] sheeeeeeeesh thought I would never get here! [15:37] Hi fetish1! [15:37] Hi Fetish1!!! [15:37] Hi Fetish1! [15:37] My experience with the PFAB is that it has not done nearly was well as the Mags. [15:37] Hiya Rowdy :) [15:38] Hi Fetish1 :) [15:38] welcome! [15:38] Lassiter, pbmax, Marie :) [15:38] Raven isn't here to mark you down as late, fetish1 ;) [15:38] LOL yay I am safe [15:39] Fetish1 I had my stairs removed [15:39] PFBA? [15:39] lmao Smart move pbmax, they are dangerous things I tell ya [15:39] Porn For a Buck [15:39] oops PFAB rather?Oh thanks MikeB [15:39] The Porn for a Buck program at CE Cash, fetish1 [15:39] lol [15:39] gotcha :) [15:39] Porn For a Buck started out as a welcome back offer to former paysite members... [15:40] Questions for MikeB day fetish1 :) [15:40] Cool! [15:40] just to try and get them back even if it was for little $$$. [15:40] ahh ok, but you werent seeing as much response to it as cemags? [15:40] MikeB does CE have plug-ins that paysite owners can use? [15:41] Sorry, I am probably asking repeat questions :( [15:41] back then it wasn't even a webmaster program. The PFAB webmaster program doesn't do nearly as good as the Mags. [15:41] I like the Mags program, just started trying to push it myself more laterly [15:42] Cheekymarie - yes, we have http://cybereroticagallery.com/ - Cybererotica Gallery [15:42] Just in terms of counting clicks, CE Mags way outperforms PFAB for me.Of course, I'm not big enough to be selling a whole lot yet, but at least I've made a few $$$ off of CE MAgs ;) [15:42] its picture content, hosted on our servers, and you can customize it with your logo. No traffic leaks [15:42] Hi fetish1 [15:42] thanks MikeB now the big question do you have BBW plug-ins ? [15:42] Hiya Frank, thought you were mialol [15:43] on the phone :( [15:43] ahhh ok [15:43] If you want to scare yourself, divid your income for the week by the number of clicks on your CE Mags account. A lot of you will see that you are making anywhere from 5 cents per click, possibly up to 20 cents per click. The income per click on that program is scary, in a good way :-)) [15:44] No BBW plugins, but there is BBW content in one of the Cybererotica Galleries...probably not what you are looking for exactly [15:44] I do pretty good with mags myself. It surely seems to me they would do well with TGP too being that those surfers come looking for free stuff. But I guess all surfers do, lol [15:44] I agree Mike.. did that with 404 traffic and got to admit it was making me more than anything else had in the last year or two :) [15:44] MikeB, the mags do well with all kinds of traffic too, exit, 404, etc [15:44] Are there any free sites that promote only mags? [15:44] hmmm probably not - was interested in adding a plug-in to my paysite :) [15:44] My free sites promote only mags lol [15:44] plenty pbmax [15:44] lol [15:45] didnt know [15:45] I think LilBiggz did some didnt he? [15:45] yes but still no redhead mag? [15:45] something new for me to try [15:45] no prob pbmax.. they are used on free sites alot because you get to make money by giving something away instead of trying to sell something :) [15:45] Yes pbmax, I have a few sites out there for only mags. [15:46] Eclectixxx - not yet....let me double check... [15:46] cool! [15:46] no redhead mag yet [15:46] what mag is the best performer MikeB? [15:46] Any potential of a 4female mag anywhere in the future? [15:47] Pixmasters- 10,000 pics for Everyday!! 100's of niches 100's models from the Mild to the Wild! http://www.pixmasters.com/ [15:48] Crawdad - I haven't tested them all yet. So far, with general traffic Big Tits, Ass Mag, and Amateur Mag have done well. Problem is i'm going alphabetically on my tests and am still in the B's. [15:48] kewl Mike, i was just curious. [15:49] the worst so far was Asian Mag, Black Amateur Mag, and Balloon Mag....if those have targeted traffic, they would probably have done better. [15:49] A good test for a sponsor is to ask them what their worst converting sites are. If they say "None [15:50] " then they are lying :-) [15:50] very true MikeB [15:50] every sponsor has sites that are Dogs. [15:50] LOL very true MikeB [15:50] lol mike [15:50] wb Strohm3 [15:50] Another tip - before you try a sponsor, ask them what their best converting sites are and tell them what type of traffic you have [15:50] ty [15:50] They will be more than happy to tell you [15:50] and some have ALL dogs [15:51] and this might take some of the guesswork outof getting that sponsor to perform well for you [15:51] MikeB, is there any potential for a 4female mag in the future? [15:52] I agree to a degree MikeB .. but at the same time.. I hate to give people specific sites because of the variety of results I've seen on how some can sell certain sites much better than others [15:52] I would say so... [15:52] hmmm anything bisexual happening at all? [15:53] hmmm...no Cheeky but let me ask my wife, I haven't lost all hope [15:53] lol [15:53] Cheekymarie: Those kinds of inquiries sohuld be left for after the formal chat LOL [15:53] lol :) [15:53] lol [15:53] ha ha . [15:53] LOL [15:53] Darren will be working on getting a bisexual paysite [15:53] its on his list [15:53] Cool MikeB! [15:53] hey cool - anytime time frame in that MikeB? [15:54] there aren't alot out there... [15:54] I will find out Cheekymarie [15:54] thanks MikeB :) [15:54] np [15:55] I knew it was worth getting up this early this morning lol [15:55] lol [15:55] :) [15:55] at least its light out now lol [15:55] Well.. the scheduled chat is getting close to the end... any final questions for MikeB today? [15:55] Always something good coming up Marie :) [15:55] yeah I know but at 5am hmmm lol :) [15:56] LOLOLKinda hard to remember the good at that time of day huh? [15:56] MikeB...thanks so much for your time. sorry I came in late on your visit [15:56] I do want to thank MikeB for coming out and chatting with us all today! It was great having him here as well as having all of you fine folks show up :)