[15:02] *** Kre8t0r changes topic to 'Time fro Newbie Chat! Todays Topic: Do colors matter? ~*\!/*~ Today is Tuesday - August 27th, 2002 ~*\!/*~ Welcome to Adult NetSurprise Chat - Adult Webmasters Only!!!' [15:02] hello friend [15:02] dunno how long i can say, the satelite is acting up again today, hopefully it'll hang in there [15:02] want us to tie you down Crawdad? hehehe [15:02] it has been storming here, so as long as i keep power, i will be here [15:02] I had a link that was posted on the newbie board a while back, let me see if I can find it Frank [15:02] <`friend`> Crawdad how is that satalite connection in all ? [15:02] hi guys [15:02] <`friend`> i though about it [15:02] lol, please Playful [15:03] Shouldnt we make sure all our sites look proper on ancient green-screen VGA monitors? LOL [15:03] hehehe Crawdad [15:03] i like having the satellite, but it can be a pain sometimes [15:03] hehe lassiter [15:03] *** OlgaHilton has joined #netsurprise [15:03] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v OlgaHilton [15:03] <`friend`> im thinking of giving it a go [15:03] Hi everyone!!! [15:03] hello olga!!! [15:03] *** plc has joined #netsurprise [15:03] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v plc [15:03] hiya plc [15:03] Hi Frank!! [15:04] <`friend`> hi plc [15:04] <`friend`> hi OlgaHilton [15:04] Hi plc!!!!!!! :) [15:04] Hi OlgaHilton! [15:04] hi ya plc - surprise! [15:04] Hi Frank, friend, Olga.:) [15:04] Hi friend [15:04] Crawdad, does it go out when it rains or snows, like it does with the tv satellite connection? [15:04] Rowdy is on his way. Tied up on a call at the moment. [15:04] everone.:) [15:04] hi Olga [15:04] Hi plc [15:04] hi plc [15:04] Hi playful [15:04] <`friend`> wa thinking the same thing Playful [15:04] <`friend`> was* [15:04] Hi Lassiter [15:04] Hi D, Lsasiter, playful [15:04] oopslassiter.:) [15:04] no playful it goes out for no reason at all [15:04] that's about the only thing keeping me from going ahead and getting it, friend :) [15:04] we'll get all this started momentarily :) [15:05] it does seem to work better late at nite for some reason [15:05] lol Crawdad [15:05] that sounds like my cable, Crawdad! [15:05] How are you,plc? [15:05] well shoot, that wouldn't work then Crawdad lol [15:05] <`friend`> less users maybe Crawdad? [15:05] Hi Deidre [15:05] Hey Deidre...still can't find my mobile.:( [15:05] I think it's a cosmic thing, hehe [15:05] howdy Olga! [15:05] maybe, i'm not sure, but some days it's completely out all day [15:06] and then fine at nite [15:06] <`friend`> hmm weird [15:06] i agree [15:06] no clue why [15:06] <`friend`> i would be having withdrawls [15:06] well that sucks lol [15:06] D'ya get credit for outages Crawdad? [15:06] *** BarryHilton has joined #netsurprise [15:06] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v BarryHilton [15:06] <`friend`> hi BarryHilton [15:06] http://www.colormatters.com/entercolormatters.html [15:06] no, its part of the contract [15:06] Hi Barry! [15:06] has to do with radio waves in the air Crawdad. [15:06] hi everyone [15:06] Hello Barry!!! [15:06] hi Barry [15:06] Hi Tia!!! [15:06] they say they are not responsible for outages and acts of god [15:06] Hi Barry [15:07] hi 'friend', Lassiter, Playful, Frank, PLC... [15:07] lots of sun spots these days ... HAM radio is a bummer! [15:07] WooHoo, this is cool. Graphics folks here to share input about color matching etc... :))))) [15:07] kewl [15:07] did everyone get that link? [15:07] lol [15:07] lol... I know nothing :o) [15:07] i didn't tia [15:07] lol Barry [15:07] http://www.colormatters.com/entercolormatters.html [15:07] btw, hi tia [15:07] <`friend`> yea thanx tia [15:07] I suspect my DSL will be turned off shortly & not sure what we'll do about it yet [15:07] hi Crawdad [15:07] Adult Buzz has a article as well http://www.adultbuzz.com/colors.html [15:07] hey friend :) [15:08] *** jvastine has joined #netsurprise [15:08] could do with these graphics guys to tell me how to work a program called Photoshop..LOL:) [15:08] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v jvastine [15:08] Hi jvastine [15:08] hi jvastine [15:08] Hi jvastine [15:08] hi jvastine [15:08] hi jvastine!!! [15:08] hello everyone! [15:08] lol plc.. pretty soon you'll be teaching photoshop :) [15:08] hi jvastine..: [15:08] yeah right,I should live so long tia,,:) [15:08] lol [15:08] rofl [15:08] I don't even HAVE photoshop! ... use other things [15:08] You'll have to plc ;) [15:09] lol [15:09] what other things Deidre? [15:09] lol i finally admitted i wasn't graphically inclined [15:09] Ok, I guess we can start. Rowdy will be here shortly.... [15:09] don't rely on me,can tell you how to break it in two click of a mouse though..:) [15:09] I use Paintbrush ... and a microsoft program ... not offered anymore [15:09] So do folks think color matters on a site? [15:09] yes :o) [15:10] yes [15:10] depends [15:10] MS paint is the bomb! [15:10] lol [15:10] yes Frank, definately [15:10] Let me guess...yes? ;) [15:10] <`friend`> yes it does [15:10] sure does [15:10] psychologically proven to have apeals on all fronts [15:10] Color is important! [15:10] it's what makes you say.. mmmm.. that looks good when you're in a supermarket [15:10] appeals even [15:10] I think that most know that colors can surely effect the mood and feel of everything... [15:10] NOT Microsoft paint ... mine's by ZSoft - Paintbrush Plus4 [15:11] but what I see oh so often are sites that the colors don't appear to be matched with the type of site... [15:11] oh ok Deidre that's probably cool for doing what you need to do [15:11] have others ever noticed that? [15:11] yep [15:11] yes [15:11] the individual colour is viewed optically at differing angles BTW..:) [15:11] yes I have Frank [15:11] I would say it depends on how long a surfer is at a site... [15:11] Hard for me to know what colors to use in some cases [15:11] Sometimes its obvious [15:12] in what way Barry? [15:12] I thought most men were color blind anyway ???? [15:12] co-ordination is easier on the eye [15:12] Visit Adult NetSurprise at http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/ for all of your Webmastering needs! [15:12] black text on a black background works well [15:12] lol [15:12] * Playful smacks Yngwie [15:12] heheh [15:12] Deidre, to a point that is true. Butttt, the brain function is a different thing. [15:12] if a surfer is only visiting a site for a few minutes... you need different colors than a site that they're spending a lot of time at [15:12] Not colorblind Diedre...jsut less sensitive to bad combos perhaps [15:13] sometimes you don't want to be easy on the eye plc.. good case in point.. greenguys site.. that bright green almost hurts.. I think there's a good reason for that [15:13] impact Barry? [15:13] less time, means that you need to grab their attention quicker, more impact... yes PLC [15:13] maybe that's why i don't go there tia..LOL:) [15:13] meaning that the longer the stay the more you want them to feel relaxed or something Barry? [15:13] yes [15:14] I see, that makes sense [15:14] SO free sites should perhaps be more garish and clash-y? [15:14] surrounding space lends prominence was what I was taught, lends to the impact...too much on one page loses their interest too [15:14] I would say so... but not so much that they just hit the back button [15:14] that's my thought Lassiter.. you don't want them to feel like staying around [15:14] well that works well Lassieter [15:14] offer them the sponsor banners that look more appealing [15:14] Right tia, but like Barry sez...there's a balance to be struck & it may be hard to find, at least for me [15:14] if it was luminous green... i'd want to get off the site as soon as possible :o) [15:15] so I guess you can also use color to decide "how long you want a surfer there" If you want a quick come and leave... then what would you say to use... black? [15:15] oh yea.... [15:15] most ppl surfer privately... [15:15] so bright colors will scare them away [15:15] *** pbmax has joined #netsurprise [15:15] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v pbmax [15:15] right Barry, and it's worked very well for link-o-rama for a long time:) [15:15] Hiya pbmax [15:15] *** Ron has joined #netsurprise [15:15] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v Ron [15:15] surfer or suffer Frank..LOL:) [15:15] *** Annieb has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) [15:15] Hi pbmax [15:15] hi pbmax [15:15] Hi Ron [15:15] hey Ron [15:15] hey Ron, Annie! [15:15] LOL, everyone knows I can't type, hehe [15:16] hmmm. black backgrounds... there's a few schools of thoughts... black doesn't show up as a bright screen if someones sneaking a look... but people are also comfortable with black borders around a TV picture for example [15:16] hi Olga, Playful, tia:) [15:16] Hi pbmax, Ron [15:16] Hi Ron [15:16] heheh [15:16] hi pbmax & Ron [15:16] hiya Frank, Lassiter [15:16] hi Barry [15:16] Hello all [15:16] what about niche relative colours? [15:16] I think using black on a paysite is risky.. it doesn't give the feel of trust that a light color does [15:16] hi pbmax [15:16] I use black for things like hardcore and bdsm. I use more mellow/fresh colors for teen etc... [15:17] tia: What about a BDSM paysite? [15:17] plc, for example bondage sites, are usually comprised of black red and silver [15:17] green is known to draw out wallets..:) [15:17] red [15:17] Hi ron, frank,plc Barry. I think black is good [15:17] I would use black on a bdsm site Lassiter but not over do it [15:17] yep that's what I was meaning Barry..:) [15:17] I think for BDSM site you want to use color that feel fear and/or terror. Maybe reds and suc... [15:17] red for asian sites etc [15:17] what do you graphics folks think about that? [15:18] teen sites usually whites, pink, pastel colors... emphasizing purity [15:18] yea, I use red for asian too [15:18] I said red [15:18] :))) [15:18] hehe [15:18] it depends on whether you're talking about a freesite or a paysite [15:18] you did Olga..:) [15:18] frank... danger, excitement etc [15:18] paysite better [15:18] in red [15:18] We got away from red on the BDSM site 'cause it's so overdone...still OK for free site feeders though [15:19] I'm not into free, give me payment every time.:) [15:19] dark green's for some reason have seemed to work good for me on latina sites... go figure? [15:19] yet.... [15:19] the most inprotant thing for a paysite is to look different [15:19] I think the most trustworthy sites have a lot of light colors as backgrounds [15:19] the background is just 1 part.... [15:19] jungle ethics Frank? [15:19] it is very relax on eyes, Frank...green [15:19] matching the right text color is the other... [15:19] you graphics folks agree? [15:20] yep [15:20] yes [15:20] yes they have to balance each other and harmonise too [15:20] Frank: Latino surfers may have adifferent color aesthetic than gringo surfers too, perhaps [15:21] Tex-Mex restaurants here love bright colors that you'd never see in a "regular" eatery [15:21] green as well a :go: colour [15:21] I guess the best thing that I have found is to take the same temple.... [15:21] and mess with it with each site you do... [15:21] brighte colors give more 'energy' to a site [15:21] you can get a good idea of what colors work best for you that way. [15:21] black sites seem to do well with what I call calypso colours [15:21] I think the keywords need to stand out in a different color than the rest of the text [15:21] - [15:22] reds, yellows, oranges, greens [15:22] also look at where your traffic for each site is coming from... look at their colors... so the site flows in the surfers mind [15:22] really tia? [15:22] LSD..? [15:22] LOL:) [15:22] yes, it makes it easier for the surfer to browse the page and get the idea quickly as to what the page is about [15:23] I see your point tia. keywords as far as a hot phrase or something? [15:23] by highlighting key words you grab attention... because the subconsious gets the infor before the eyes do [15:23] by keywords I mean the words that are important for understanding what the page is saying [15:23] this is good for free sites [15:23] you can usually pick up some ggod tips by viewing the colours the sponsors are using for a particular site with their banners [15:23] good even [15:23] Anyone see an advantage to using the dreaded "blink" on color-highlighted keywords? [15:24] this is true. I went through a speed reading course once and it was very enlightning to find how ppl scan things and what the brain pics up. [15:24] remember, on freesites and paysites too.. surfers are lazy.. and if they can't read and understand the whole page in a few seconds, it's no good [15:24] no lassiter. I would say stay away from blink, marquese, and all that. [15:24] frank, you only need to read the tops of letters... so don't overdo the CAPS :o) [15:24] very true tia [15:24] Frank: Yeah, I know I hate 'em ;) [15:24] *** MrMaryLou has joined #netsurprise [15:24] *** Jerry_Springer sets mode: +o MrMaryLou [15:24] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v MrMaryLou [15:25] hey MML! [15:25] Hi MrMaryLou! [15:25] hi MrM! [15:25] Sorry I am late [15:25] hi MML! [15:25] I agree Barry. If all CAPS are used then people really don't see it. It all looks the same. [15:25] hey MML [15:25] Barry just the man I am looking for LOL [15:25] Hi MrMaryLou! [15:25] :o) [15:25] Hi MML [15:25] depends Tia...on paysite it is not always trustful [15:25] Hi MML [15:26] Seems softer the porn softer the color works nice? [15:26] Hi olga [15:26] I can agree pbmax.... [15:26] if you use this tecnique correctly Olga, it can be not only trustful.. butcan make the page easy to understand instantly [15:26] *** Strohm3 has joined #netsurprise [15:26] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v Strohm3 [15:26] I look at it as what type of feel you want to give.... [15:26] if say a teen site.... [15:26] hi Strohm3 [15:27] <`friend`> hi Strohm3 [15:27] hi strohm3 [15:27] then you usually want to go for fresh and sassy. [15:27] hi Strohm3 [15:27] Hello All [15:27] Yeh, the panty sites look good pink bg, and hard seems better withdarker bg [15:27] I think you need to be more subtle on a paysite [15:27] yellow works good on asian sites=) [15:27] When it is to pushy...surfers afraid to pay [15:27] Hi Strohm3 [15:27] Hey Hey Frank [15:28] I had a good performing Latina site in yellow too. [15:28] what constitues pushy? [15:28] yellow/gold/red on asian sites... but you could also go with an Imperial Purple... depends on the image you want to give [15:28] what do you mean pusy Olga? [15:28] pushy... to 'in your face' [15:28] oops.. pushy [15:28] lo [15:28] lol [15:28] roflmao tia [15:28] that makes sense Barry... [15:28] lol [15:28] that bring up another good point.... [15:29] what color text looks best on black [15:29] not only do we have to think about text color.... [15:29] but the thumbs and banners we are going to use too. [15:29] you need to guide them to their wallets... not beat 'em over the head to get there :o) [15:29] what are you saying is beating them over the head? [15:29] I have seen colors that make the banner "want me to click" and others not. [15:30] too 'intense' [15:30] I'd rather turn them upside down and shake out the money Barry..LOL:) [15:30] rofl [15:30] lol plc [15:30] I tends to use softer backgrounds (blues & purples..sometimes black) on my freesites just to avoid the "surfing porn in the dark" alarm that might freak out a secretive surfer.Is that an overrated concern? [15:30] hehe [15:31] I've heard that alot Lassiter [15:31] That's a good point about brightness lassiter. I do use a lot of different colors. Yet, none are bright. [15:31] no... lassiter... but if your pics are bright it ain't gonna matter... then again who surfs sneaky with the door open? [15:31] what I don't like to see is a lot of text.. all the same font and color.. it's too much for a surfer to read.. that's why IMHO it's very important to use different colors for the keywords, or phrases, such as the subject of a paragraph [15:31] I mean, I usually have the lights on myself LOL [15:31] well in my view they mostly surf in secret..:) [15:31] *** Rowdy has joined #netsurprise [15:31] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v Rowdy [15:31] LOL:) [15:31] hi Rowdy [15:31] hi Rowdy [15:31] Hi Rowdy [15:31] Me to tia. The surfer isn't there to read nor will... [15:32] could be who your targeting too [15:32] hi all .. damn sattelite went down :( [15:32] hi Rowdy [15:32] right Frank [15:32] Hi Rowdy [15:32] say a few good paragraphs and get to the point. [15:32] Hi Rowdy [15:32] Hiya Rowdy [15:32] Must be a bad sunspot day [15:32] on dial up now so excuse any random swearing from my direction...lol [15:32] I agree tia... but it depends on the site... paysite/amateur/free [15:32] you want to make it as easy for them to understand as possible without being "pushy" [15:32] LOL [15:32] It again depends Tia [15:32] hello Rowdy [15:32] damn Rowdy sorry to hear you're having problem today :( [15:33] http://www.xxx-heaven.com/galleries/julia.html [15:33] ah shit [15:33] sorry wasnt supposed to be pasted here lol [15:33] actually Frank.. it went down about a minute before connecting for the chat... timing is everything huh? LOL [15:33] lol [15:33] Yngwie.. lol [15:33] what was that? [15:33] I think you can do text like this to.... [15:33] on of my galleries [15:33] haha [15:33] one [15:33] nice page Yngwie LOL [15:34] you can make long text... yet... use the small fonts for the SE's with no intent for the surfer. And bring out the parts that you want for the surfer. [15:34] so it's a case of "If you want the sex-click the banner...u don't - get off the site"..LOL:) [15:34] don't use text that stretches over 5 inches... if you want surfers to be able to read it comfortable [15:34] I notice changing text color often looks better on white BGs [15:34] or just say "Listen you cheap fuck! Click here now and join or i'll rip your fucking head off" [15:35] So basically "stories" (longer text) isnt compatible with gallery sites? [15:35] lol [15:35] Yngwie: You have to be able to back that threat up somehow. LOL [15:35] and try not to go on and on.. keep it short and hot.. on freesites [15:35] lol [15:35] depends Lassityer...if you place in columns then it can work, but across the screen they lose interest [15:35] not really... lol [15:35] unless you split the text into columns [15:35] Barry, personally nothing irriatates me more than seeing text that exceeds well beyond the banner size. I think that refelcts negatively to the surfer myself. I think the entire page should correspond. [15:36] ah I see ;)THanks [15:36] thanks Barry..:) [15:36] I agree Frank [15:36] *** Annieb has joined #netsurprise [15:36] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v Annieb [15:36] I agree Frank [15:36] hi Annie! [15:36] Hiya Annieb!!! [15:36] hey Annie!!!!! [15:36] Hi Annieb [15:36] Hi Annieb [15:36] wb Annieb [15:36] Hey Annieb [15:36] how about http://www.xxx-heaven.com/galleries/sweetalishia.html [15:36] hello Anieb [15:37] Hi guys, I didn't realize i was gone [15:37] lol [15:37] that happens to me a lot Annie [15:37] It's also difficult to read a lot of text that has each line centered [15:37] Hi AnnieB [15:37] true Barry... [15:37] bullets can work there though [15:37] interesting you brought that up.... [15:38] I was helping someone last night that had a awesome SE page.... [15:38] Kre8t0r .. can you send me the log of this chat when it's over please? [15:38] but all the text was at left margin... [15:38] so we picked out some good linked text to center... [15:39] made things look much much better and I think more clickable because they stand out. [15:39] you can define areas of the page then... [15:39] that's a good idea Frank.. made it much more readable [15:39] hi Annieb [15:39] drew my eyes to it more tia by all means vice reading everything. [15:40] If you look through a magazine they have columns of text... plus 'snippets' of the juicy stuff to get you to read the whole article [15:40] exactly Barry! :).... [15:40] people read headings.. then decide if they want to read the body .. that's the way people are [15:40] that's what I try to emphazie on the board.... [15:41] people read headlines, LOL, like tia just said, hehe [15:41] so sub headings work too... [15:41] and that's exactly what I meant by having keyword text in another color Barry [15:41] highlight what's important :) [15:41] now the circle completes tia..LOL:) [15:41] right Yngwie [15:41] then if they want to read it all ... they can [15:41] but most won't [15:42] so for you graphics gurus... what text colors on what background colors would you suggest to folks here? [15:42] they just want the pics...hehehe [15:42] it would depend if you're picking out words in a paragraph... or enlarging some text with a different color as a 'snippet' [15:42] depends [15:42] Sounds like colors can be used to lead surfer where you want them to read or go [15:42] Go see the Greenguy's Messageboard! http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/linkmsgboard/ [15:42] yes pbmax [15:42] EXACTLY pbmax, you are catching on well :))) [15:42] on free sites everything opposite [15:43] Thanks! [15:43] right Olga [15:43] Frank... it depends on the site... [15:43] *** tramp has joined #netsurprise [15:43] *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v tramp [15:43] ah I see Barry [15:43] hi tramp [15:43] we're talking about freesites now right Frank? [15:43] hello tramp, welcome to the chat [15:43] tramp...are you who i think you are? [15:43] hi tramp [15:43] But the text MUST be east to read against the background [15:43]