Session Start: Wed Aug 21 14:08:48 2002
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<ross0> brb
<juso-> questions on what?
<ross0> hey rowdy
<Frank> any problems? concerns?
<Bobbiekey> Hi Rowdy
<Crawdad> howdy rowdy
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<tia> hey Rowdy
<Lassiter> Hiay Rowdy
<Lassiter> er hiya
<Rowdy> Hiya all.. got involved in the new newbie project and lost track 
of time
<Frank> juso, theme and focus of sites is today Newbie Chat topic
<Frank> but if anything is pressing I can sure try to help.
<Frank> Hiya Rowdy
<tia> how's it coming along Rowdy?
* Bobbiekey looks at her pile of unironed clothes.... looks at Frank... 
*smiles...
<Rowdy> lengthy tia....at least in creation :)
<Crawdad> lol
<tia> hiya Bobbiekey :)
<Crawdad> frank likes to iron i hear
<Frank> I iron well Bobbiekey. Did mine yesterday :)
<Bobbiekey> oooooooooooooo
<Bobbiekey> well bust my buttons!....why didn't ya say so!
<Rowdy> So how all you fine folks doing today? :)
<Lassiter> Women go crazy for that Frank ;)
<Frank> Especially when I'm naked Crawdad. But that's a different story. 
 LOL
<Crawdad> i don't even own an iron
* Bobbiekey waves hello to tia
<Crawdad> lol Frank
<tia> just got the icq alert Frank
<Frank> I don't mind anything EXCET cooking.
<Frank> except, that is :(
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<Rowdy> hi 
<Rowdy> Officer
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<tia> just don't cook when you're naked
<Lassiter> Doing fine Rowdy.A bit of a sore throat so I wont be doing 
 any yelling on the chat today LOL
<Crawdad> cooking is easy, throw that sucker in the microwave and it's 
 magically done 2 minutes later
<Frank> yup, ICQ seems slow today :(
* Bobbiekey hopes that Frank's ironing board is above waist level.. 
*snicker snicker...
<tia> hiya Officer
<Rowdy> Lassister.. doesn't whiskey help sore throats? :)
<Officer> hi rowdy, tia, everyone
<Bobbiekey> Hello Officer
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<Rowdy> hi Madcat
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<Crawdad> hiya officer, madcat
<MadCat> yoho
<Officer> hi crawdad and bobbiekey
<Bobbiekey> :))
<Lassiter> Anyone want some free spam of a pretty girl?
* kathb tells MrMaryLou hello - how's MaryLou doing? Everyone healthy?
<Bobbiekey> ummmmmm lemme think Lassiter...ok?
<Bobbiekey> ummmmmm nope!
<Lassiter> http://www.fleurdelisrouge.com/mannequins.htm
<Officer> hiya kath :)
<kathb> hey Officer :)
<Frank> Lassiter, if I come visit you gonna hook me up? LOL
<Lassiter> Shes my newest model..the page has stuff other photogs have 
 done with her, and one (cropped) pic I took & photoshopped
<Frank> Hello MadCat
<Rowdy> sweet Lassiter
<MadCat> heyas Frank
<Rowdy> Hi Kath :) Expect an e-mail in a day or two :)
<Bobbiekey> going to look now lassiter :)
<Lassiter> The rest of the pic was good too Rowdy LOL
<Rowdy> :)
<Frank> so before we begin. any questions on anything?
<kathb> thanks Rowdy - I'll keep an eye out for it :)
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<tia> hi D
<Frank> hello Deidre
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<tia> Deidre :)
<Deidre> Hello everybody!
<Bobbiekey> nice Lassiter :)
<ross0> Frank or anybody.....know anything bout Digital Rights Media or 
 PPV.anything i should be aware of?
<Rowdy> hi Deidre
<Bobbiekey> Hello Deidre
<Lassiter> Frank: I'll take ya round the whole scene here Frank...won't 
 take that long LOL
<Frank> anyway, I saw a site today that would have been a good example of 
 "loosing" theme and focus....
<Rowdy> hey ross0 ... can't say the name rings any bells presently 
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<Frank> it was a teen site, yet....
<Crawdad> hi Taz
<Rowdy> hi PWP-TazCa
<ross0> cool, thanks anyway
<Frank> it had many "sub-categories".....
<Frank> hello PWP-TazCa
<ross0> hey taz
<PWP-TazCa> hi
<Frank> the entrance was teen, the mainpage was cheerleader, and the 
 gallerys a mixture of brunette and petite....
<PWP-TazCa> hey all 
<Frank> I think sometimes people fail to realize what specifically what 
 there surfer came looking for and is interested in.
<Rowdy> yep Frank.. hard to generalize all that traffic and have it be 
pruductful
<kathb> good point Frank
<Bobbiekey> makes sense Frank..
<Frank> Just as any niche, the tighter you can keep focused and sell, 
 usually the better.
<tia> it's ok for a hub to do that, but not a freesite
<HippyDude>Anyone else ready to fire one up?
<tia> hi Hippy!!!!
<Crawdad> lol
<Frank> true tia, surely a big difference between the initial selling and 
 alternative sales.
* Lassiter is always ready ;)
<Deidre> may I make a "personal"
<Rowdy> correct... filtering is the key to getting everything you can out 
of the traffic you have
<Rowdy> hi Hippy
<Frank> ? Deidre
<Deidre> just wanna say I'll miss all you guys in Philly ... can't make it 
 (sob, sob)
<Frank> no problem :)
<Bobbiekey> awwwwwwwww i will miss you too Deidre...i can't go either...
<Bobbiekey> what's in philly?
<Frank> lol
<Deidre> tee hee
<ross0> blunts?
<Crawdad> lol
<ross0> hehe
<Frank> the selling starts from your link and description
<Lassiter> Cheesesteaks for one thing Bobbiekey
<Bobbiekey> Oooooooooooooooooooo 
<Crawdad> 76ers
<Frank> that makes it hard to be "specific" if you have to many option on 
 your site....
<Crawdad> eagles
<MrMaryLou> Filtering is good but how about the lazy surfers that ya wanna 
 squeeze a bit harder for an email address even 
<ross0> gotta run ppl, client on phone. hopefully this wont take long
<Crawdad> hurry back ross
<kathb> (Philly AWE - http://www.adult-webmaster-events.com September 
 6-8th)
<Bobbiekey> ok ross0... you will be missed... but hurry back!
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<ph0ne> :)
<MrMaryLou> I will beezz in Phila Pa
<Frank> your surfer is coming looking for something in particular (teen, 
 petite, cheerleader, whatever)....
<Deidre> I met you in Atlanta, MML
<Frank> so that is what you should push
<MrMaryLou> I remember you
<Lassiter> MrMaryLou: I guess the squeeze would come at the exit?
<Deidre> sweet l'il old lady!
<Frank> just like the old saying....
<Lassiter> Question Frank?
<tia> I think you should limit the number of keywords too Frank.. save the 
 extras for the next freesite.. keep it to a few good words and phrases
<MrMaryLou> true I am trying a bit of a free ploy page
<Frank> don't try pushing them apples if they came looking for oranges.
<Frank> Yes lassiter?
<Bobbiekey> that makes alot of sense Frank...
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<MrMaryLou> Free seems to be the dump word so to speak
<Crawdad> hard to sell midgets to surfers that came for BBW
<Rowdy> hi Druid
<Bobbiekey> but... one should probably have an option for oranges.. just 
 in case they lost their appetite for apples.. correct?
<Bobbiekey> or visa versa
<tia> I would link free with other words for a good phrase MrM
<Frank> I know from my experience a cheerleader surfer wants cheerleader. 
 Not teen, not petite, but cheerleder.
<Lassiter> What do ya do if you are managing to target a fairly specific 
 subniche, but you sponsor options tend to be a bit more "Generic"Say, 
 a specific type of bondage site, but they theyre going to a fairly 
 generic BDSM sponsor site?
<Frank> I know what ya mean lasstier. I have that problem.....
<tia> that's always a problem Lassiter
<Lassiter> You have to be able to imply that the sponsor site will have 
 alot morre of that very specific subniche I guess?
<Frank> moreso in BDSM because there are so many aspects....
<Rowdy> Lassiter... that's where things get real tricky
<Frank> so YES, you have to present to illusion
<tia> I write to the sponsor and tell them what I need for the subniche
<Frank> I too have a big problem with bdsm sites for that same reason.
<Frank> <<<< prolly will start my own program one day :))))
<Crawdad> sign me up frank
<tia> we kind of gave up on bdsm sites.. been in them since we started and 
 never really did that well with them
<Lassiter> Its not that big a prob for me yet 'cause I'm mainly pushing 
 Lady R's femdom site and I know what niches she has, but secondary 
 sponsors are hard to find
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<tia> that's smart to find yourself an out of the way sponsor Lassiter.. 
 those are the ones I do the best with
<MrMaryLou> The whole thing is know your niche study it find out the words 
 used by the hardcore fans 
<Lassiter> tia: She's not out of the way exactly since I live with her LOL 
 ;)
<Frank> yup, true MrMaryLou
<tia> she is next to the big sites.. and I bet she does well
<MrMaryLou> Know your niche live it love it learn it
<tia> and I'd like a link to her site if you want to post it up :)
<MrMaryLou> spend days and hours in yahoo groups thats the premo spot
<Lassiter> Sure tia..we have no affiliate proggy yet but maybe next year.
 http://www.ladyravenia.com/
<Frank> that why I mainly have just 3 top niches I currently persue
<tia> oh darn.. let me know when you do ok?
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<tia> what are those Frank?
<Frank> when and if you finally get the click of things may as well stay 
 with it.
<Lassiter> tia: Certainly.ANS folk will be imformed before anyone else
<tia> :)
<Rowdy> We have faith in ya Lassiter :)
<Lassiter> Awww...thank you Rowdy ;)
<Frank> well, actually 4 come to think about it.... (teen,latina,bdsm,anal)
<tia> FemDom is in dire need of a good sponsor Lassiter, I know because 
 I've been searching for one for about a year now
<Frank> I don't get into FemDom, not my gig.
<tia> one that converts
<tia> you do well with teen Frank?
<Frank> But FemDom does very well.
<tia> oh yes it really does
<Frank> yes tia, I'm fortunate, usuualy under 1:250
<juso-> someone should change the topic to reflect the topic of chat= )
<tia> wow.. that's great Frank
<spookyx> hey juso
<juso-> spookyx!
<Frank> juso, theme and focus????
<Frank> were talking about focus
<Rowdy> juso ... the lurkers need to come out and ask :)
<Frank> you have a question?
<juso-> ::shrug:: i came in and you said "any question"i had no clue 
 what was going on
<juso-> = )
<juso-> no.. just saying
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<Frank> you get the reminder service thing?
<Frank> you look at the boards?
<Frank> it's all posted
<juso-> lol im just saying its usually in topic.. thats all
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<Rowdy> lol... no prob :)
<juso-> forgot it was newbie chat time
<Frank> no problem I can understand.
<Rowdy> I want people to ask if they don't know actually :)
<Frank> it is hard to do chats in the regular chatroom sometimes. happens 
 often
<Frank> yup, so do I Rowdy
<Rowdy> We rely on folk that enjoy it here on spreading the word :)
<MrMaryLou> Well well the millionaires club is alive
<MrMaryLou> ooops
<Rowdy> MrMaryLou? LOL
<Frank> thn to I don't think I did see a notice pop up in here about the 
 topic as usual.
<MrMaryLou> LOL
<tia> Willy always did that
<Frank> I'd rather see questions and answer them rather that to carry on a 
 1 way discussion, LOL
<tia> ok Frank.. what sponsors do you do the best with?
<MrMaryLou> Oh did I hear spam ?
<MrMaryLou> ooops
<Frank> damn tia, you want me to divulge all my info, LOL
<MrMaryLou> http://www.sexytoonlinks.com/links/submit.html
<MrMaryLou> Sorry
<Deidre> in "retail" the word was "never show a lady more than 2 hats ... 
 or she won't buy anything!"is that true of "our business" also ???
<tia> well you said you wanted questions.. and that question was on the 
 top of my list.. lolol
<Crawdad> MML< the king of all spam...
<MrMaryLou> damn greenie is rubbing off on me
<Lassiter> lol
<MrMaryLou> http://www.sexytoonlinks.com/links/submit.html
<tia> I find that to be true Deidre.. I never give choices.. I just guide 
 them where I want them to go
<MrMaryLou> Sorrt
<Frank> OK, in order of what my main ones are #1TopBucks, #2ARS, #3PMB for 
 recurring and I have more. But that's the top 3.
<tia> wow.. thanks Frank.. I really was only kidding.. you're a great guy 
 :))
<MrMaryLou> Sponsors Really run different with every webmaster
<Frank> well, it's a matter of many many many things though....
<Rowdy> and day to day it many cases anymore
<Lassiter> Diedre: Yeah, the trick is to find the folks who want to go 
 somewhere specific, and then provide a well marked avenue to that exact 
 goal, while convincing them that its worth paying for
<Frank> you have to factor in AVS, other small recurring, also the stuff 
 like e-mail and ezine stuff, etc... it all adds up.
<tia> be a traffic cop Deidre... lead your traffic .. don't just throw it 
 in and hope for the best
<Deidre> I spose selling "sex" is the same as selling SOAP! - there's a 
 knack!
<tia> yes, and you want to send a prepared surfer to your sponsors.. 
 presell them
<Crawdad> there are many different kinds of soap, you can't sell laundry 
 detergent to someone that came for bar soap
<Frank> yup, you have to try your best to get into there mind. they 
 clicked a "specific" link to get to you. The wording of that is 
 important and what they came looking for....
<Deidre> tee hee - just a "saying" ... but you're right!
<Frank> then, give it to them.
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<tia> do you have a site up Deidre?
<Rowdy> "<Frank> then, give it to them." at a cost :)
<Bobbiekey> wb ross0
<Lassiter> But the other side of that is, if they dont want the brand of 
 bar soap you have on sale, to then lead them to other brands of bar 
 soap that you can get paid for as well
<Crawdad> wb ross
<ross0> ty bobbie
<ross0> ty cd
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<Rowdy> wb ross0
<Rowdy> Hiya Raven
<Crawdad> for sure Lassiter
<Lassiter> Raven!!!!!!!!!!!1
<MrMaryLou> I am trying mini pages nowhttp://www.oldxpix.com/free/ 
 http://www.free-bbw-picture.com/free/ to get more of a punch on these 
 niches
<Deidre> plc and I have a lot of "sites" up (we're partners)
<ross0> hey raven
<tia> right Rowdy
* Raven is very sorry she's late
<Crawdad> howdy Raven
<Frank> lol, true Rowdy
* Bobbiekey waves hello to Raven...
<Raven> hiya, everybody :-))))))
<ross0> ty rowdy
<tia> hi Raven!!
<Bratt> RAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<Frank> Hiya Raven. no problem, you're here.:))
* Raven blames tev
<Raven> thanks, frank
* Lassiter rings the alarm clock in Ravens ear
<Crawdad> it's always mr penis pills fault
<Raven> yeah, where were you a half hour ago, lassiter ?
<Raven> always, CD
<Crawdad> :-)
<Frank> the site I mentioned earlier would have been fine....
<Lassiter> Raven: No fair asking a pothead that question ;)
<Raven> lol
<MrMaryLou> Raven you still trying to shake a headset out of Tev
<Raven> could you mention the site again, frank?
<Frank> give the fact that there were good alternative selling points....
<Raven> MR. M :-)) 
<Frank> had the site had focused on 1 thing....
<Frank> say teen...
<Crawdad> teen
<MrMaryLou> Got toons http://www.sexytoonlinks.com/links/submit.html 
<MrMaryLou> Oops
<Crawdad> you said "say teen"
<Frank> then had alternatives for petite, cheerleader, or whatever. that 
 would have been cool.
<MrMaryLou> Frank did you not just do a toon site ?
<Frank> lol Crawdad
<Frank> YES, MrMaryLou. I mentioned that earlier :)
<Raven> damn...i missed that, too
<MrMaryLou> Well I think you did an awsome job
<Lassiter> "Teen" is automatically kinda generic, though anyway.Like 
 "amateur."
<MrMaryLou> Ya think teen may need to be niched out ie cheergirls ect
<Frank> oh thanks dude. That means alot to me :))) I will be sending you 
 sites :)
<Lassiter> big-boobed blonde teens would sell someone better than "teens" 
 would, no?
<tia> not really Lassiterit's pretty specific.. that's what happens, you 
 think it's generic.. then end up with a waterd down niche site
<Frank> true tia, just don't use 25 year old teens, LOL
<tia> lol
<Lassiter> Yeah, what Frank said.
<MrMaryLou> Teens can be broken down into cats
<Bobbiekey> now!.. big boobed teens with pimpled asses... now that would 
 be different... right tia?
<Frank> yup, many good ones to MrMaryLou
<tia> but you do the breaking down when you offer alternatives right?
<Lassiter> teen does not equal silicone and 2-inch long fake eyelashes
<Frank> alot of leadway to do many things
<MrMaryLou> Lesbian Teens for one
<Lassiter> Works for me Bobbiekey ;)
<Bobbiekey> :))
<tia> lol Bobbiekey
<MrMaryLou> any niche can be microed
<tia> we do it all the time
<Frank> yup, petite, amateur, cheerleaders,
<PWP-TazCa> with all said and done this should be a long day for me 
 installing this script now 
<MrMaryLou> I think thats what we need to do with the se's
<PWP-TazCa> talk to ya all in a bit 
<Crawdad> cya Taz
<Frank> c ya TazCa
<tia> but you don't want all those niches on the same page.. you want the 
 others as alternatives
<Rowdy> c'ya PWP-TazCa
<PWP-TazCa> later tell ya how it goes 
<Bobbiekey> bye PWP-TazCa
<MrMaryLou> Your site or sites should follow the theme
<Frank> correct tia, that was the problem with the site I saw
<Raven> see ya, taz
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<Raven> hi, druid
<Rowdy> wb Druid
<Frank> had teen on the entrance, cheerleader on the mainpage, and 
 brunette and petite on the gallerys
* MrMaryLou runs and buys twentyteens.com for the older teens
<Crawdad> lol MML
<Frank> LOL MrMaryLou
<Raven> lol, mr. m
<Frank> teens20plus.com, LOL
<MrMaryLou> I see allot of those all day
<Raven> sounds like a dress size, frank
<tia> all of our teens are under 23 yrs of age.. lol
<Frank> I think that another reason I may do well with teen. I give them 
 teen. NO 20+
<MrMaryLou> then there are the ones who are a big ??? those we should 
 aviod I dont care what the licences say
<Rowdy> Always though of buying 3galsand1guy.com and selling Viagra on it 
... lol (Just a page that says "You'll need this" and the link to 
Viagra....hahahaha
<Raven> lol, tia
<Frank> lol@Raven yea, I guess it does, hehe
<Lassiter> rofl tia
<Raven> that's a good one, rowdy
<MadCat> Rowdy: that might actually work :)
<Crawdad> lol
* MrMaryLou rule in reviewing teen sites and galleries if the look to 
young they probaly are
<Frank> I get SE hits for key phrases like that (2 girls one guy) etc...
<Deidre> the older you get ... the younger they look!
<MrMaryLou> I had 217 hits from msnbc to my bbw tgp yesterday LOL
<MadCat> MrMaryLou: for a project I run we sorta pre-screen the teen 
 content (even if it comes from a reputable content vendor) - we ditch 
 everything that we think 'looks' too young, and we ditch all the 
 30-year-old-pretending-to-be-18 stuff too
<Frank> true Deidre
<Frank> never thought I'd think that 30 something was young,LOL
<MrMaryLou> cool deal Madcat
<MadCat> MrMaryLou: aye, it works pretty well - we get regular returns on 
 our teen galleries because .. well.. they are teen :D
<MrMaryLou> cool
<MadCat> we do it for most of our content though, sit down and categorise 
 it, and eventually we start screening it
<MrMaryLou> Doing the teen niche can be like playing with fire
<MadCat> we've got a relatively large content library so we can afford to 
 be picky and just ditch all the pics we figure don't look good, or have 
 shitty lighting.. etc.
<Frank> yup, have to really watch your wording and such
<Frank> anymore I don't even use the word "young" on my teen sites. even 
 though to a 43 year old like me they are.LOL
<MadCat> Frank: we try - seeing as how it's an 8 person team you can't be 
 sure of it but we did put down a rule that says like "no hinting at 
 under-age" .. no lolita, young teens, etc.
<MrMaryLou> Young has become a bad word
<MadCat> we even have a robot scan all sites we produce looking for bad 
 words *grin* 
<Frank> I agree MrMaryLou. Although it's true.LOL
<MrMaryLou> and I am see a big time play on the word boy
<Frank> a 18 year old to me IS "young and tight" LOL
* MadCat snickers
<MrMaryLou> I think the male teen content is worse than the girl teen stuff
<MadCat> hey I'm 25, and an 18 year old to me is young and tight too :P
<Crawdad> i agree MML
<Frank> lol
<MrMaryLou> True but a young teen is 14 to me
<Raven> i don't see anything wrong with the word young..it's all in the 
 context that it's used
<Frank> I agree MrMaryLou. Seems there is a large boy market than girl.
<Raven> she's 90 years young
<Rowdy> I've had to turn down a few sites MrMaryLou
<MadCat> MrMaryLou: when they mention young teen, to me that says 'under 
 18' 
<MadCat> like, right off the bat 
<MadCat> same with 'early teen'
<Raven> don't say young teen then
<Lassiter> MrMaryLou: I've done FemDom sites with names like "Bad Boys Get 
 Spanked" but the content makes it obvious that these "boys" are in 
 their 30s & up LOL
<MrMaryLou> thats what I mean about the word young its used in the wrong 
 contex most times
<Frank> seeee, I totally agree with that to Raven. But most others don't 
 it seems. They just stay away all together.
<Raven> same with girls, lassiter..on spanking sites..it's part of the 
 lingo
<Raven> and they could be in their 50's
<MrMaryLou> WHat do you think of when you see young boys ?
<Lassiter> Yeah, I dont thionk I ve had much in the way of folks looking 
 for inappropriate material
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<MrMaryLou> It means real young to me
<MrMaryLou> young men is ok
<Bobbiekey> well everyone.. i have to run for now.. guests are getting 
 hungry and i gotta light up that bbq..
<Raven> i wouldn't use the two words together, mr. m
<Lassiter> 'sides, everyone probably knows to use "twink" as a search 
 phrase by now?
<MadCat> the search engine we're putting on our hub site will actually 
 block queries containing 'bad' words and just show a page explaining 
 that well, it's bad, and that ip's and such have been logged
<Rowdy> hate to say it all but I have to get out of here.... guy jusy 
showed up to mark off some land for a garage.
<Raven> take care, bobbie..glad to see you're feeling better :-)
<Bobbiekey> thanks Raven..:)
<Rowdy> Thanks for coming out and chatting all :)
<Crawdad> bye bobbie
<MadCat> and most likely if people do 3 queries for bad stuff off the same 
 IP, we'll firewall it off and shut em out
<Crawdad> cya Rowdy
<Rowdy> Have a good one!
<Raven> see ya later, rowdy..have fun
<Frank> true MrMaryLou. Once again it's the wording. I wouldn't use "young 
 teen" but would "young and tight"
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