Session Start: Wed Aug 14 13:59:18 2002 *** Now talking in #netsurprise *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v Rowdy Yeah. hiya, cikuraku Raven hi *** Joins: leg3 (java@209.163.147.C536=) *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v leg3 ROWDY!!! And I haven't seen it in yet Hey ya Rowdy! Hiya all hey, leg 3 hi Frank Hello Rowdy Hi Rowdy hey Rowdy hey RasputinWhore wutupz on the phone so here half assed at the moment :) have you written to them, rasputin? Hello Ciku whats going on here? Raven, yes. did they answer you, rasputin? I sent them an email today, I tried to ICQ them like 6 days ago asking about licensing No. *** Joins: Ron (Ron@66.82.98.u800=) *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v Ron CikiRaku, our regular Wednesday Newbie Chat hmmm I think I emailed them like 3 days ago too I forget if i did, I know I meant too was it snail mailed to you? Frank sounds good for me:)) Yes, I suspect it is snail mail We have one on Monday's and Wednesday's :) perhaps you'll want to check to make sure you've written to him, then.... For $9.95 for a cd, you expect it would be ground at the least, which is 3-4 days. There's a announcement always posted on the boards. sometimes, the mail is very slow, rasputin..that's why it is a good idea to write Well I know I wrote today, and I know I ICQ'd 4-5 days ago raven who am i :) lol :-) rasputin....is there a phone number you can call? No ICQ/eMail only RasputinWhore: ground isn't no 3-4 days thats for sure *** Quits: HippyDude (Connection reset by peer) ground is 'when ever they get over that way' *** Quits: WillyB (Connection reset by peer) i had ground take 2 weeks ground can take as long as it takes, rasputin.... I nver had ground take longer than 3-5 days personally. *** Joins: plc (plc2030@172.180.230.dA03=) *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v plc hi plc plc :-))) lucky you heh Hi Every one.. Hi Frank,Raven...:) I used to order alot of computer product when I was in the business too Hello Pic how's everyone oing? *** Joins: WillyB (admin@170.215.58.G146=) *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v WillyB doing even..:) I'm here plc, lol Juso, did you see insominac hi Willy raven what kind of site do u have? *** Joins: barryhilton (barry@62.7.110.a7182=) *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v barryhilton nah. any good? *** Joins: Lassiter (lassiter@204.65.66.2p50=) *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v Lassiter heheh that's all ya need to be Frank hi Ron hi all barry....:-))))) hi ron *** Joins: HippyDude (HippyDude@170.215.58.6H25=) *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v HippyDude hi everyone!!! hi ya Barry :)) No, i was curious, seem similar to one hour photo *** Joins: Loregray (feyfoxfire@205.152.186.xS974=) hi barryhilton *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v Loregray hiya, Lassiter :-)))) hi willy Hi WiilyB... Hi Barry hi lasiter hey ya barry! hi WAI:) Hi barry, lassiter, wb WillyB hi, lore :-)) hi plc I heard it wasn't great though hi frank Hey all. hi Barry it was ok rasputin hello who hi loregray Hi who-ever-you are..? *** Joins: EclectiXXX (java@128.8.172.uw333=) *** SurpriseBot sets mode: +v EclectiXXX i've got several sites, who am i.....but, my baby is http://www.sin-text.com/ howdy Who_Am_I, lol Raven, Frank, Who_Am_I hugs EclectiXXX EclectiXXX.... hi Raven, WillyB, Ron, PLC! hi annie hi ciku *** Kre8t0r sets mode: +o Rowdy damn good idea WhoAmI check it out. Hiya EcleciXXX hi bennzzzz *** Kre8t0r sets mode: +o Frank XXX was fun but wow was it fake hi fulo hi hexa hi EclectiXXX hi bratt damn I can't spell hey EclectiXXX hi jerry hi Who_Am_I hi rowdy hi aragon hi RAVEN!!! :) How's yer mom, Raven?Better I hope? Watched Ali last night. hey EclectiXXX\ So how's everyone doing in the SE's? thanks, lassiter.....two pints of blood and a chemical patch on the ulcer....she'll be fine :-) Hiya all:) Hi Kre8t0r & Bratt! hey Barry!! hey barry! Hello Kre8t0r and Bratt not bad Frank :) haven't started with them yet Frank. doing OK Frank hope you've recovered :o) * RasputinWhore cheers the market is up quite a bit today great meeting you and your wife btw Great to hear Ron :) kinda.... hehe Frank: My SE traffic on my domains is just starting to kick in this past 3-4 weeks! ;) getting there *** RasputinWhore is now known as Rasputin go back to work tonight excellent lassiter :) *** Kre8t0r changes topic to "Time for Newbie Chat! Todays Topic: Search Engine Basics! ~*\!/*~ Today is Wednesday - August 14th, 2002 ~*\!/*~ Welcome to Adult NetSurprise Chat - Adult Webmasters Only!!! " BRATT!!!!KRE!!!!! Still slow but actually getting some SE traffic for the first time RAVEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Raven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have found that (especially in AltaVista) it appears. That the amount of time a site has been up seems to play a factor. definitely Frank oh hiya folks! Well, yes, I'd say 90% of my hits have been from Google, and a smidgen from DMOZ-related SEs Many of my best AltaVista listings are for some older sites that have been around awhile No obvious AV traffic at all yet there's no doubt that Goggle is the quickest to get into That's why, when possible, you should buy sites that had existing sites with good link pop and se placement existing already AltaVista can drive you nuts Linking seems to play a big part in them all these days Good point Ron! :) or just create your own SE;) Pic, very much so, the more links you have to other sites to you is a big factor in how quickly you get SE'd more links give higher placement, especially on Google wwhat isSE'd Ron: Well, one strategy I'm trying is on my toplist-oriented sites, to get listed on the toplists that come up first in google when I enter my own search terms So I assume that a LinkList requiring recipricol links would be a good anvenue? Search Engined Many time if you wish to target AltaVist it can help to make a variety of different types of pages I put up special link pages on my sites...link to others in ALL bizz, not just adult..it pays off for me good thinking, Lassiter Sadly, most of the time what you do to taget Google can kill you in AltaVista and vice verse good point Frank agreed you have to optimize for each SE individually Frank: If that's so, the question remains, does anyone use AV much anymore? exactly plc what is the best way to get top search engine listings? is it a smart idea to use services that charge for seach engine submissions? what about creating pages individual to search engines? I don't know what that entails so to speak... but Web Position Pro is a good product for SE maintaince. LOL, lassiter, actually I do wonder that myself..... I think it is the best out there. how much does it cost? I registered a specific domain with full intent to get a #1 listing for something.... $349 for unlimited domains I have used WPG for 7 years now,still use it for adult biz, it never failed to get me listed yet or $149 for 5 domains, well, I did and in a short period of time.... Who_Am_I: I never have, though I'm very new at this. I've observed that most SE submission services deal with thousands of SEs that will *not* list adult sites, so yer paying for nothing in that case yet, it doesn't get many AltaVista hits.... but, because of the "quality" of traffic.... Alta Vista wants manuals only at the moment, so it takes a bit longer I would much rather get 10 SE hits than 100 link list hits so WP Pro automates the process??? Whoami, yes, and continously updates does it provide away to verify result? do't have much luck with link lists, but idividual links, personals...do well for me yes, a report page Frank: U notice a clear difference in say, conversion ratios from SE traffic? which actually shows success/failuyre and you can view the ACTUAL results from the page submitted on each item the 5 domain one is free for 30 days I have heard WP Pro is a excellen program. I have never used it. But for some that wants to invest the money it should be worth it. it's worth every penny Frank Frakn, it is great Does the problem help you tweak your pages? I think it depends on the niche you're trying to sell...very specific niche traffic whether from link list or SEs will sell at good ratios yes Sweets,will do everything you want it to in WP Pro do you have to enter the SE you'd like to submit to manually or does it submit to multitudes of search engines automatically? You can submit to 180 search engines, and have it update every couple days and show results to everyone. lassiter, yes, I do pretty well just getting 8 or 10 SE hits to 1 page you can also customize it for each se how it submits then, when you make many doorways that ads up Hmm, interesting. thanks for the tip Rasputin, I'll try that out Is it only a windows program? Frank: Thats impressive.Makes the point that search terms need to be chosen well too, I guess ;) yes damnit! =) nope will work on any o/s You on mac? or linux? Sorry all.. my dad called and I don't get a chance to talk to him often... my full attention is now on the subject at hand though :) oh ok... I am an OS X user. think there is info on runnin it on boht yes, it's just like anything. You have to target each thing specifically. There is a windows PC program for Mac No problem Rowdy :) I'm on MAc!!!does any of these work on Mac? No but you can get a PC emulato yes WPG will work on MAC Let me ask a quick question about SE... if I have a domain teens.com, and sub pages likes teens.com/panties.html, shaved.html, etc... can I submit those pages individually? thank you plc frank what do u mean as far as target? Sweets: yes yes you can Sweets yes, Sweets I will say one other thing to. Though I do say to submit to various places the fact remains that many smaller SE's pull from the big ones.... If I remember rigth you need an emulator don't ya Pic? excellent. yes.. and make sure you have a main domain index link on them as well :) what is the URL... I will look myself. =) www.webposition.com? so, concentrating on 3 or 3 of the top ones can be beneficial they now have a special edition for Mac's Rasputin yup thats the url Sweets: Make subdirectories.Teens.com/sweetteens/index. html will get spidered by SEs, and then make Teens.com/uglyskanks /index.html and it can also be spidrered as a separate site rowdy, main domain index link in the SE? WebPosition Gold runs on the Mac using a Windows emulator such as Virtual PC by Connectix. ok Who_Am_I... targetting meaning whether Google, AltaVista or whatever - each work different and you build differently for each and "target" specific search terms. Sweets, a link on your subdomain index pages for your main domain index... can help on spidering oh ok. So subdir's do get indexed separately? hey Kre8t0r there? ic Frank, how many domain names do you own? y0 whats up Loregray: yep Hey Kr8 Do you need a robots.txt file to get listed? frank how long have you been applying your technics??? how successful have they been hey Rasputin LOL, I hate to say, I need a 12 step program. I have 150 doamins now. Loregray, no you don't Kre8t0r http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=nelly lol yso many Frank? Loregray, NO, glad you ask that.... Loregray: I've never used robots.txt.Just manual submissions and then of course trying to optimise my search terms etc. WillyB... hey dude.. we got to hook up for a chat sometime soon :) If one reads the definition.... Want to make some Money? Click here --> http://www.fantasymanmoney.com/ It's time to make some big time green! * Rasputin is about to write a counter attack for that damn nt virus the robot.txt file is actually to be used if one "does not" want a SE to spider.... get 100's of hits a day from that nt virus heheh frank how long have you been applying your techniques and how well does it work for you? therefore just leave it out if you "do" want a SE to spider. We talked earlier about specifying pages towards SE's... is this accomplished through multiple pages looking the same, but with different META tags, or what? Technically, how would one start this oof? err...off rather. np Rowdy Hey WillyB Sweets.. you should check out the newbie zone projects as we did some SE page targetter deals on there let me know when Rowdy Who_Am_I, SE's have interested me from day 1. So every site I put up is a new learning experience.... Do links within the same domain count as high as outside domains? hiya Rasputin you can check out each SE's requirements at their page,they tell you what is needed for good listings as far as successful, I guess it depends on how you judge it.... rowdy, got that URL handy? I have many many #1 and Top #5 listing in Google and AltaVista.... income producing = success in my book I don't think Frank drives a pinto ;) So I guess that's good. LOL same here Frank..:) I judge success by the amount of hits I get from the SE:) http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/ Frank: What would you say are the main things to look at when trying to optimize for AltaVista? i judge success by the amount of the check when it cashes Sweets: Don't portal pages hurt you badly if they're discovered? Squaaaaaaalllllllllllkkk...Raven..:) lol for AV leave it alone for a looooong time Amen Raven ! raven ur funny project #2 :) Lassiter, the first "main thing" is to go to the SE and try your best to learn as much about it as you can.... then visit various SE resouces and here a varity of feedback... and by the time you have done that Lassieter,they change the rules again..LOL:) I find AV aggravating in the extreme when I try to do that LOL very true, each SE has differences, you should find out what they are and optimize accordingly hahah just got a spamm all in french by someone with a viola e-mail addy Loregrey, I don't know... I am very new to this. then with every page you build make a few minor changes here and there to experiment.... Frank, how much traffic do you get from AV as compared to Google?Google is like 90% of the traffic right? it's a day to day learning experience. plc: Yep...the whole SE concept seems to be dedicated to *not* listing sites with WPGyou can follow your rankings and use the program to help them get higher I agree Rasputin, I would say a good 90% of my SE traffic is Google to.... that's what i get for having listings in Viola tweak for each SE independently as I mentioned - I have some #1 Alta listings that don't get many hits.... Frank what is your other big hiters AV and Excite? I'm beginning to wonder if Alta has any porn surfers, LOL change your whips to whops Frank...heheheh Frank, would you say it is wrong to focus entirely on google then? plc: I guess what Im looking for is that I know Im making sites that Google will list, but I'm not sure what changes to make to get AV interested in listing 'em even paying altavista guarantees nothing in the way of listings frank how long have you been in the adult website biz? Rasputin, does WPG ravenhow do u go about getting traffic? ack It's NOT wrong to focus on any 1 thing. What counts as Raven said is how many checks come in the mail.LOL Raven: Yep...ain't that a scam LOL lol, lassiter Rasputin, does WPG search to find out what your ranked at, what keywords? I've been in this biz 3 years now. very muych so Sweets it has a lot to do with AV's idea of weight ...they don't go much for Meta's at AV i listen to all the experts, who am i...and, then follow what they say very closely down load the trial, you will be shocked people used to spend 30+ hours a week doing what it does for a SINGLE domain. it does it for many domains in minutes rasputin, excellent. Focussing on one thing can yield great results but then again, if something changes, you can loose it all. Diversification plays a role in longlivety to some degree IMHO and whorthe top 3 experts that you follow?besides me!!:) plc: Ive noticed that.Most of the top ranked pages on AV for any porn search term I try seem to have *no* meta tags to speak of Rowdy, very true very much true, Rowdy And Google presumably does not use meta search terms either Alot of search engines are going away from meta yes Lassiter that's true now,things have changed a lot in the last few years frank and rowdy.....are two that i listen to very carefully, who am i.. ty Raven... I listen to you as well :) yep smart cookies, they are. meta tags are almost a waste tehse days Google is BIG on links I tell ya, there's many SE boards and such out there. I hit them when I can and pick up any new info that I can... spiders search the pages and build meta from there it's that trading of info that gets us where we are, rowdy, my friend :-)) well then i'm gonna make it my business to listen to all 3 of you :) I'm no guru. I learn everyday like everyone.... :) Though that old trad I still use occasionally of loaded search terms in tiny text on the warning page seems to work fine in getting Google hits, thouh Frank strongly suggested I should drop it.I'm torn LOL Frank your no nn00b either ;P I have successes and failures. like I said, 5 years from now, I might call myself an adult webmaster... when I know stuff. =) OK, now people are calling me names, LOL Sweets, in five years things will have evolved so much that what you know now will barely apply:) used to be....submit in the morning, get listed in the evening...not anymore i'm just starting out as of Sept 1, 2002. what advise can each of you give me to begin to build traffic and success that is tangible from day 1? ron, I know... hence my life... one big catch 22. =) Adlt Webmastering is really no different from other sites when it coomes to SE stuff,you have to follow the SE rules for whichever one you want to get listed in lol Sweets excuse typos..:) my advice, who am i..is to get yourself to the newbie board ok WhoAmI, you could probably right a book on that subject... read all the articles you can. i'll definately do that Who_Am_I - knowledge ... get it and absorb it.. then experiment to find the proper formula for yourself with the help of others that are there :) Who_Am_I, the first thing is NOT to overexpect. There's only so much traffic one can get from link list and such... Build mirror pages and submit to many link list... yes build your networking karma so to speak. =) newbie board is the best University you can attend I promise you who-am-I Strive to have some type of consistant traffic flow.... here's your cue, rowdy...traffic is king :-)) if you get the right combination of link list you can usually do that... Who_Am_I: Someone around here recently said that the first sign of success will be when you notice u aren't *losing* money.Then ya can build the biz from there. ;) lol.. as you know... only if one knows what to do with it :) and don't forget about conventional marketing.. me I tell all my friends to go and check out X site... and tell them if they like it... email others...etc. can ususaly do what frank? truthfully (in my experience that is) excluding SE traffic which comes and goes... It is a constant struggle to maintain 100 hits a day to a regular free site. if you send out a lot of emails, put a link to your sites on the bottom as a sig Me I want 1 conversion a month from each site.. that is my starting goal... I will project to up from there... like they said don't overexpect. RON..THE HIGH SCHOOL IS CALLING YOU......836-3126 haha Sweets: I've got the same goal... Sweets that is a good goal, and achieveable.... 100-300 sites, that is alot of conversions :) If you get all the factors working together.... I expect 1 conversion /per site /per month... YOUR DAUGHTER MISSED HER BUS that being the right sponsor, the right traffic, the right ratios, etc... start small, obtain your goal, set a new one... I also am working on building a network of sites, that focus on branding for the major ones... hence why I chose the name Sweets, and use it... sweetsteens.com, etc, etc... the domain will always be the same format etc. that's my theme also Sweets...have zex suffix for all mine * Rasputin goes out and buys all the sweetsxxx domains and sells them to sweets for a "small nominal fee" :P * Sweets beams, and will have his own little webring. =) lol there's no doubt that everyone has there share of "dud" sites. Those that get a few hits, yet still may get a sale every now and then. But surely not 1 per month or even 3 months. * Sweets kicks rasputins ass. =) Everyone has to remember that we are in a AVERAGES game... lol hey Frank,my BDSMgets the least hits of all,guess I should sell that one to you..LOL:) Frank: But shouldn't you expect other sites to get 2 conversions a month to off set this? Sweets that's good but not necessarily so for SE's