Jul 17 12:00:45 ---WillyB has changed the topic to: The Monday Newbie Chat - Topic: - AVS or Free Sites - The pro's & cons on what may be best for you.. .~*\!/*~ Today is Wednesday - July 17th, 2002 ~*\!/*~ Welcome to Adult NetSurprise Chat - Adult Webmasters Only!!! Jul 17 12:00:53 hows it going yall Jul 17 12:00:57 Where is everyone???Besides us, I mean ;) Jul 17 12:00:58 Hiya lassiter and kandi! Jul 17 12:01:02 Hi Frank! Jul 17 12:01:13 They will drift in im sure Jul 17 12:01:13 good question Lassiter Jul 17 12:01:22 not bad Kandi.. yourself? Jul 17 12:01:25 hi lass Hi Frank Hi Rowdy Jul 17 12:01:37 it's going Kandi. Haven't slept yet. :( Pulled another all nighter :( Jul 17 12:01:59 lol..your going to droopy Frank Jul 17 12:02:14 we are getting to old for that .teases Jul 17 12:02:44 who is speaking to day? Jul 17 12:02:45 no doubt, but when things come up sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do, LOL Jul 17 12:02:50 I didnt much like all-nighters when I was *young* LOL Jul 17 12:02:58 lol Jul 17 12:03:01 laughs in agreement, so true so true Jul 17 12:03:26 well Kandi, todays chat is going to be on AVS and free sites. You have any questions? Jul 17 12:03:31 I was a musician, so I saw the sunrise way too often ;) Jul 17 12:03:36 -->Jackhas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:03:37 ---HippyDude gives voice to Jack Jul 17 12:03:37 Now that the kids are gone it is kind of nice , setting what ever shcedule we would like Jul 17 12:03:43 Hi jack! Jul 17 12:03:44 Hi Jack Jul 17 12:03:44 lol Lass Jul 17 12:03:51 I just bet you did!..grins Jul 17 12:03:57 Hi Jack Jul 17 12:03:57 Hiya Frank & Lassiter Jul 17 12:03:59 Hiya Jack Jul 17 12:04:14 hello Jack Jul 17 12:04:27 ok checking mail, brb Jul 17 12:04:28 LOL, I have NO kids ANS single, so I can surely do what I like lol Jul 17 12:04:30 smiles Jul 17 12:04:35 Hi Rowdy, Kandi. WillyB Jul 17 12:04:39 AND that is :( Jul 17 12:05:11 <--Go4LiveCash_JP has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jul 17 12:05:29 I think I must have missed the memo that today was a webmaster holiday LOL Jul 17 12:05:44 Well, OK, I guess I have AVS questions...I've never quite grasped how and where and why they fit into a business plan. Jul 17 12:05:48 Hi JP Jul 17 12:05:53 yeah , this week is a webmaster holiday i think Jul 17 12:05:54 You and me both Frank. Its like a morgue out there Jul 17 12:06:09 I thought it was quiet also Jul 17 12:06:10 What were you wondering Lassiter? Jul 17 12:06:17 glad to hear it isnt just me then Jul 17 12:06:18 -->Midnighthas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:06:19 ---HippyDude gives voice to Midnight Jul 17 12:06:25 Hi Midnight! Jul 17 12:06:27 hi Hon, smiles at Midnight Jul 17 12:06:35 lassiter.... Jul 17 12:06:35 Hey people Jul 17 12:06:36 OK, let me just toss out some random questions about it Jul 17 12:06:43 kk Jul 17 12:06:45 Lassiter... an AVS site is simply nothing more than an expanded free site to "prequalify" surfers for an upsell into a paysite for the most part :) Jul 17 12:06:47 Hiya Midnight Jul 17 12:06:51 -->ross0has joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:06:52 Hi Midnight Jul 17 12:06:53 ---HippyDude gives voice to ross0 Jul 17 12:07:01 Midnightdigital - 5000, pics free with your order of $99. See our FREE CD OFFER! http://www.midnightdigital.com/ Jul 17 12:07:04 Good to see everyone Jul 17 12:07:05 Rowdy: OK I think I get that Jul 17 12:07:06 hi ross0 Jul 17 12:07:12 hey rowdy! Jul 17 12:07:14 hiya Midnight, ross0 :-) Jul 17 12:07:22 hey midnite, lassiter Jul 17 12:07:30 hey willyB Jul 17 12:07:31 well, as far as a business plan goes, we need to stay diversified in this business and have various types of income and ways of achieving it for one thing. Jul 17 12:07:31 Jeff is trying to come in Jul 17 12:07:35 Think of it this way Lassiter; AVS traffic has already proven that they are willing to open their wallets by purchasing AVS memberships Jul 17 12:07:39 he can't figure it out Jul 17 12:07:41 hey frank! :) Jul 17 12:07:55 -->dragohas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:07:56 -->Go4LiveCash|Vivhas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:07:57 ---HippyDude gives voice to drago Jul 17 12:07:57 ---HippyDude gives voice to Go4LiveCash|Viv Jul 17 12:07:59 So if they're willing to buy one thing, chances are they will buy something else too Jul 17 12:08:00 Is there any real $$$ to be made in actual commissions from AVS memeberships, or is it mainly having the upsell sites available to pre=qualified (credit-card using) surfers? Jul 17 12:08:00 Hiya rogg0, good to see ya Jul 17 12:08:08 -->AinSophhas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:08:09 ---HippyDude gives voice to AinSoph Jul 17 12:08:10 Hi drago Jul 17 12:08:20 Hiya AinSoph Jul 17 12:08:22 Hiya ross0 Jul 17 12:08:29 :) Jul 17 12:08:41 From my experience, more $$$ on the upsell side of things Jul 17 12:08:48 hello drago Viv and AinSoph Jul 17 12:09:00 hi AinSoph Jul 17 12:09:10 -->plchas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:09:11 ---HippyDude gives voice to plc Jul 17 12:09:14 Hiya drago, Viv, AinSoph Jul 17 12:09:17 hey plc Jul 17 12:09:25 Hi Ross0 Jul 17 12:09:31 hey jack,drago Jul 17 12:09:45 VIV!! Jul 17 12:09:45 wassup plc Jul 17 12:09:46 lassiter, personally I always make more on pay-per-signups rather than a recur program. However, recurring is essential is maintain some kind of consistent cash flow. Jul 17 12:09:50 Hi plc Jul 17 12:09:53 hi plc Jul 17 12:09:56 hey WillyB, Frank..:) Jul 17 12:10:05 Hi Rowdy Jul 17 12:10:30 Frank: U mean getting commissions on *recurring* AVS memberships as well? Jul 17 12:10:37 Lassiter, there are plenty of folks that make decent money with AVS sites only .... I prefer the more "rounded" effect of diversification myself Jul 17 12:10:39 AVS is a nice way of getting extra use out of your free galleries. After I've made 2-3 free sites, I turn them into an AVS site Jul 17 12:10:49 -->Go4LiveCash_JPhas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:10:50 ---HippyDude gives voice to Go4LiveCash_JP Jul 17 12:10:54 I'm trying to separate out the AVS membership sales from the sales I'd be promoting inside the site itself Jul 17 12:11:03 Just for discussion purposes Jul 17 12:11:16 Hi JP Jul 17 12:11:19 hiya JP Jul 17 12:11:20 *Lassiter nods at Jack Jul 17 12:11:23 Makes sense Jul 17 12:11:28 To me at least a good overall business plan involves a good mixture of many different things. Free sites, AVS, toplist sites, etc... With the combination of various things one tends to maintain some bit of consistency in my experience at least. Jul 17 12:11:34 it'sto ended Lassiter Jul 17 12:11:39 hi guys Jul 17 12:11:41 two that should be..:) Jul 17 12:12:17 <--LE_TheStatistician has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jul 17 12:12:27 not sure what you mean Lassiter by separating the sales Jul 17 12:12:29 Hi LE Jul 17 12:12:31 -->susannahas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:12:32 ---HippyDude gives voice to susanna Jul 17 12:12:35 yes lassiter, recurr on AVS as well as recur from regular sponsors Jul 17 12:12:41 I'm doing a tester at the moment Lassiter Jul 17 12:12:45 hi susanna Jul 17 12:12:48 Hi susanna! Jul 17 12:12:54 hi everyone Jul 17 12:12:59 {{suanna}} Jul 17 12:13:09 up to now the number going on to the sponsor site is about even in and out of AVS Jul 17 12:13:30 Jack: I mean there's gonna be a process of selling the surfer an AVS membership, which is a different thing somewhat from the usual selling your sponsor sites once they're in the AVS and surfing the site itself. Jul 17 12:13:43 how are you doing susanna :) Jul 17 12:13:46 gotcha :) Jul 17 12:13:55 I always treat an AVS like a mini-paysite Jul 17 12:14:07 Jack: Right...ya need a tour ;) Jul 17 12:14:14 In fact, its a great way to learn HOW to make selling tours Jul 17 12:14:34 Hi Annie Jul 17 12:14:41 hi Kandi Jul 17 12:14:46 Hi eveyone I missed ...smiles Jul 17 12:14:53 You just have to remember its all about teasing, not pleasing the surfer. Jul 17 12:15:09 A fair # of QUALITY samples always helps Jul 17 12:15:29 Lassiter, this is true. Here's the way I personally view it. I thnik if one does a regular type AVS then they may can assume that the people may already have a AVS membership so there may can be more focus on upselling on the inside. Yet, if one does a Platinum or Gold site. They may really try to push the AVS more and still get a inside sponsor sell as well. Jul 17 12:16:32 hey Frank, Lassiter, Jack Jul 17 12:16:35 plc Jul 17 12:16:37 Ok...for example...how would I combine my need to "sell" my site with the need to also "sell" the AVS...I'm trying to convince them to take a look at my AVS site, but that alone prob. won't get them to pay, so I need to promote the fact that the AVS gives accesss to a bunch more stuff too.How do I combine those separate sales elements? Jul 17 12:16:44 hi druid Jul 17 12:16:45 Hi Druid Jul 17 12:16:48 Yeah, I see whatcha mena there Frank Jul 17 12:16:48 Hiya Druid Jul 17 12:17:33 Lassiter, many AVS systems have 'bonuses' of sorts. Buying an AVS gives the member access to not only your site, but to feeds, chat etc Jul 17 12:17:47 You should look at different AVS systems to see what their membership offers Jul 17 12:17:49 Actually I think the actual process of selling an avs or sponsor is about the same although an avs is usually a little easier as the price for membership is cheaper Jul 17 12:18:40 Its really no different than selling a paysite. Take a look at what they offer and hype that up. I've seen some people go the "pennies a day" route with their sales pitch. Others with the "access to thousands of sites" Jul 17 12:18:50 What it really boils down to is knowing your traffic Jul 17 12:19:09 But then again, knowing your taffic is keep to EVERYTHING we do I think Jul 17 12:19:20 Good stuff, Jack.True ;) Jul 17 12:19:26 Hi Druid, sorry was busy.:) Jul 17 12:19:33 ghehe ;() Jul 17 12:19:37 knowing it and being able to route it.. I agree is very important Jul 17 12:19:44 Hiya Druid Jul 17 12:19:58 Lassiter... usually the approach is that you start off talking about your site through the tour until they hit the AVS join page. Then you get to hit them with the AVS benefits there to hopefully close the sale so to speak. Jul 17 12:20:20 Frank: Aha...that's the general roadmap I was looking for LOL Jul 17 12:20:27 Can't agree more Jack :) Jul 17 12:20:41 Thanks ;) Jul 17 12:21:14 Lassiter, do some research. Visit some of the linklists and see what kind of AVS sites they have listed there. Jul 17 12:21:42 With the AVS tour, you have to think like a surfer. So bang your head against the wall a few times, and then start surfing :)~ Jul 17 12:22:21 I would suggest, as I did myself, when I started doing AVS I spent alot of time in the AVS links looking at many tour pages and getting a grasp of how folks were doing stuff. Then I formulated myself a idea and went from there. Naturally you keep tweeking, tuning, and changing alittle as you go. It's a technique and learning process as anything. Jul 17 12:22:53 I know we had a discussion a couple of months back on large establsihed AVSs (AdultCheck, for example) and smaller ones.Presumably, AdultCheck, CyberAge etc. are gonna give me more traffic from already existing members, where a smaller AVS will need to be sold from the outside a bit more enthusiastically, as they have fewer members already "inside" the AVS.True? Jul 17 12:23:10 yep.. sometmes 3 page tours do good... sometimes a one page does great ... all depends on various factors Jul 17 12:23:16 Jack LOL Jul 17 12:23:34 Jack, thats not my head I need to bang ;) Jul 17 12:23:45 that stands to reason Lassiter Jul 17 12:24:05 Too much info Lassiter :) Jul 17 12:24:12 <--drago has quit (Connection reset by peer) Jul 17 12:24:31 I find that model specific tours do quite well, especially pornstars. Jul 17 12:24:49 If anyone has questions post them up.LOL Jul 17 12:25:43 With model specific AVS sites, the surfer knows EXACTLY what they'll get as opposed to a general 'blowjob', 'anal', 'ebony' type site. Jul 17 12:25:45 Jack: That was another question...do some niches work better or worse with AVS sites than they would with free sites?I notice a lot of "celebrity" sites behind AVS walls for example. Jul 17 12:26:15 -->Surfnhas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:26:16 ---HippyDude gives voice to Surfn Jul 17 12:26:26 Hi Surfn Jul 17 12:26:33 Geez, I really don't wanna get into the whole celebrity thing. You wanna take this one Rowdy? Jul 17 12:26:38 Hi Frank Jul 17 12:26:46 hello Surfn Jul 17 12:26:54 Hi WillyB Jul 17 12:26:58 I have no intention of doing celebrity sites, BTW..just obverving that they must do well in there Jul 17 12:27:05 Lassiter... since you are not selling a "mega" site with thousands of pictures... usually the more targetted the AVS site the better Jul 17 12:27:06 well, I can't say much about it. I personally stay away from celeb stuff Jul 17 12:27:40 Celebrity thing.... two fold issue.... easy name regonition is why many choose it although much harder to get legal content for Jul 17 12:27:43 I'm really not sure which niche, if any, would do better or worse as an AVS vs. a Free Site Jul 17 12:27:56 My thoughts exactly Frank. Some AVS sites don't monitor the legality of the content their AVS sites have. One could assume this is why celeb sites are so prolific with AVS. Jul 17 12:28:25 A good sales person can sell anything :) Jul 17 12:29:02 Very true Frank :) Jul 17 12:29:10 Sales Skills are as important as design skills in this biz Jul 17 12:29:10 And a bad sales person will ask 'do you want fries with that?' Jul 17 12:29:18 hi Surfn Jul 17 12:29:19 Once again too, I think that can get back to the targetted traffic. If you have what they came looking for then they are more apt to buy Jul 17 12:29:20 WillyB: I was thinking along the line that there might be more incentive to offer hardcore or edgier niches behind an AVS than just out in the open. Jul 17 12:29:24 Hi Rowdy Jul 17 12:29:26 But you don't have to be a kickass designer to make a good AVS site Jul 17 12:29:41 LOL Jack Jul 17 12:29:50 I'd say so Lassiter.. I put hardcore content in an AVS for the most part now Jul 17 12:29:56 Lassiter.. that's true as well but it still applies that the surfer cannot find the content easily ealsewhere Jul 17 12:30:06 just incase the laws change and they start looking for ppl ;) Jul 17 12:30:24 long as they don't look for plc..:) Jul 17 12:30:30 hehehehe Jul 17 12:30:30 Yeah, I've never put penetrative content on a free site. Jul 17 12:31:01 you could, as long as you block it out Lassiter Jul 17 12:31:05 <--susanna has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jul 17 12:31:25 Jack: True, but it hasn't been an issue yet. Jul 17 12:31:29 is there another witch hunt going on? Jul 17 12:31:51 not that I know of plc. But why risk it? Jul 17 12:31:59 very true Jul 17 12:31:59 plc: There's always a DA somewhere with tight underwear Jul 17 12:32:07 yep Jul 17 12:32:11 yep Jul 17 12:32:15 that's a toss up issue for me. I build my sites so as to quickly be about to convert them to AVS if need be. Yet, I do have some hardcore in places. Hard to get the right point across say on a anal sex site without a penetration pics or two, imho Jul 17 12:32:28 and John Ashcroft would love to be able to go after us porn ppl I'm sure Jul 17 12:32:31 especially in an election year... Jul 17 12:32:39 Good point Frank. How to sell an anal site WITHOUT showing anal Jul 17 12:32:47 Frank: Yes...that's where I was seeing AVS sites as an advantage Jul 17 12:33:29 could put the pics upsdie down for anal,then put shades over the naughty bits..hehhehe Jul 17 12:33:29 For AVS you will for the most part have to rely on your own self generated traffic. So where will that come from? Jul 17 12:33:41 Question is if ya can sell say, an anal AVS site and still not show penetration on the tour.I think you can if you choose the right pix Jul 17 12:33:47 like owning your own mini paysites to some degree :) Jul 17 12:34:06 what will you feed it with lassiter? Jul 17 12:34:13 Lassiter, exactly. Kinda like those "close but no cigar" pics Jul 17 12:34:24 Is this a test Frank? :) Jul 17 12:34:26 Frank: I was gonna ask you that question LOL Jul 17 12:34:33 LOL Jul 17 12:34:42 my point exactly lassiter Jul 17 12:34:42 what's the difference between us showing stuff after a warning or avs entrance and the sponsors doing that once they pay up Jul 17 12:34:44 lol Jul 17 12:35:21 plc: Mainly that the US congress seems to define "adult" as someone in possesion of a credit card Jul 17 12:35:35 Just for 'proof' of age Jul 17 12:35:46 Lassiter, traffic can come from feeder sites, link lists, SE's and my fave, AVS link lists Jul 17 12:35:54 plc, we can't go overboard by any means. Don't want them getting of at the site. We are in the TEASE business. Jul 17 12:35:54 not that having a CC makes you 18 ir 21 ,, :/ Jul 17 12:35:58 thought they had to 'prove' age with avs anyway? Jul 17 12:36:04 Actually that's one of the cool things about AVS's. They have their own link lists Jul 17 12:36:29 yes understand that Frank, was just wondering why the difference in principle.:0 Jul 17 12:36:35 Actually I think they could scrwe with us one way or another just as easily as they can your average citizen.... Certain risks involved with almost anything even as basic as breathing nowadays it seems Jul 17 12:36:38 plc: Yep...I misread yer question. Jul 17 12:36:49 this is true Jack, though I never get many hits, lol Jul 17 12:37:00 Visit Adult NetSuprise at http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/ for All of your Webmastering Needs! Jul 17 12:37:06 true. But those lists are spidered Jul 17 12:37:31 depends on what you call many hits Frank.. Jul 17 12:37:42 yes,a good point Jack. Sometimes one can get better SE listing because of being a AVS site Jul 17 12:37:56 if you are one of the several K a Day guys I guess that's right Jul 17 12:37:59 I'll take one hit that sells over 1000 that doesn't any day :) Jul 17 12:38:11 Amen Rowdy! Jul 17 12:38:14 LOL Rowdy.Quite true Jul 17 12:38:33 oh this is true. I'll take 1 SE hit over 100 LL hits any day, lol Jul 17 12:39:16 OK another question...do the independent link lists (like say GreenGuy) draw good traffic to AVS sites?I'd think surfers would see "AVS" or "pay" and not bother even clicking, or am I too cynical? Jul 17 12:39:18 matter of fact some of my best sales are coming off SE specific domains. Don't even have a link list sites on them. Jul 17 12:39:50 same here Frank, but then I cater to SE's specifically Jul 17 12:40:13 only thing I know how to do..LOL:) Jul 17 12:40:38 Lassiter, there are people that have AVS memberships that visit LL's Jul 17 12:41:11 you will get traffic... maybe not as large as amoount but traffic yes Jul 17 12:41:34 Lassiter, personally I don't get much traffic from the LL's. A few hits a day. As I mentioned. Most of your hits in my experience at least will need to be self generated. Or, as I do in many cases. Just put the site up and forget it. Link with as many LL's as you can. Hopefully get some SE traffic later and such as that. Jul 17 12:41:36 as far as people being cynical about clicking on paysites on GG's site, I think his stats on The Statistician prove otherwise Jul 17 12:42:50 I think time is a factor too Jul 17 12:42:55 how so plc? Jul 17 12:43:10 Time is a factor in AltaVista it seems Jul 17 12:43:17 well if you've been on a LL for some time, hits tend to become more frequent Jul 17 12:43:44 they get through the newer stuff and have limited their choices maybe...:) Jul 17 12:43:52 AltaVista has turned to crap :( Jul 17 12:44:04 yes it has Surfn Jul 17 12:45:25 so who is using their summer to think outside the box? Jul 17 12:45:29 I think people have gone of Altavista since they changed the submission style Jul 17 12:45:42 I am ... sorta hehe Jul 17 12:45:47 plc, I hate having a new listing. My view is the new lisiting are for the daily pop in that wants the quick free stuff. Once anyone gets into a category you then start getting more targetted traffic. Plus, with every click a surfer has to make to get to your site means that's one more step they are interested in and wanting something. Jul 17 12:45:56 it's a real pain and I always get the code thingy wrong firsat time..:) Jul 17 12:45:57 converting things to less graphics and more text Jul 17 12:46:16 true Frank Jul 17 12:46:26 shit Jack,LOL, I never think in the box. No one has ever accused me of being of normal thinking. lol Jul 17 12:46:50 summer is for retooling sites and updating marketing strategies :) Jul 17 12:47:01 Jack .. thinking out of the box is a lifestyle :) Jul 17 12:47:02 and weeding..:) Jul 17 12:47:03 for me Jul 17 12:47:17 hell, I just put up a damn virtual reality cartoon porn site, LOL my first, hehe Jul 17 12:47:36 lol Jul 17 12:48:17 <--Surfn has quit (Connection reset by peer) Jul 17 12:48:27 hell, I ever put out a ALL text site once about how my life sucks about a year ago.LOL Still get's SE hits too. Jul 17 12:48:36 even that is :( Jul 17 12:48:36 -->Surfnhas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:48:37 ---HippyDude gives voice to Surfn Jul 17 12:48:43 you did Frank? Jul 17 12:48:45 you selling those helmets and gloves on your site Frank..:) Jul 17 12:48:45 wb Surfn Jul 17 12:48:45 What's the addy? Jul 17 12:48:57 wb Surfn Jul 17 12:48:59 tks WillyB Jul 17 12:49:12 tks Rowdy Jul 17 12:49:22 *Lassiter just *never* got the concept of cartoon porn ;) Jul 17 12:49:27 Jack, LOL http://www.cherryclitz.com/sucking/ Jul 17 12:49:47 haha Lassiter Jul 17 12:50:20 Frank do you operate a TGP on that domain? Jul 17 12:50:37 -->Deidrehas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 12:50:39 ---HippyDude gives voice to Deidre Jul 17 12:50:52 Like when "Ren & Stimpy" was big, and the creaotr was speaking on college campuses, and kept getting asked if Ren & Stimpy were gay.He'd look disgusted and say "No , they're ink on cels" Jul 17 12:51:20 no tgp Surfn, that's CherryClit, I know her too. Pissed me off when she registered it.LOL Jul 17 12:51:32 hi Deidre Jul 17 12:51:35 Hi Deidre Jul 17 12:51:38 gotcha ;) Jul 17 12:51:43 hi guys! Jul 17 12:51:46 Hi Deidre Jul 17 12:51:50 That's Pookie from pookie's Playland Jul 17 12:52:13 she posts me alot :) Jul 17 12:52:35 cool, I don't really do tgp. Only when I want to experiment. Jul 17 12:53:19 I've run several...I post her too...lol Jul 17 12:53:36 any last questions about AVS or free sites? Getting close to the end of the chat it appears. Jul 17 12:54:16 cool Surfn, you ever visit our tgp board? Jul 17 12:54:34 Does anyone here do platinum-type AVS sites already? Jul 17 12:54:38 It was a good chat today... a lot of folks missed some good little tips Jul 17 12:54:53 nah, I just returned to the biz...couple years off due to burnout Jul 17 12:54:58 Lassiter, Platinum sites is all I have Jul 17 12:54:59 has it been an hour already? Jul 17 12:55:06 Not i Lassiter... I use avs sites but not real involved in them Jul 17 12:55:07 they did miss out .. on that and on asking questions they may have had, Rowdy Jul 17 12:55:12 Im curious how well upgrade sales do, from regular to platinum Jul 17 12:55:28 is the chat being posted WillyB? Jul 17 12:55:43 Is it worth using 300 pics to get the sales, in other words ;) Jul 17 12:55:59 not if you can get away with 30 Lassiter..:) Jul 17 12:56:00 It will be, yep plc :) Jul 17 12:56:04 Porn isn't a charity Lassiter :) Jul 17 12:56:09 lol plc Jul 17 12:56:17 lol Jack Jul 17 12:56:20 I haven't gotten alot of upgrades. Mostly all new members. But it's where I get my traffic from to I think that makes the difference. Jul 17 12:56:20 thanks WillyB,I missed soem at the beginning, like to catch up Jul 17 12:56:44 np Jul 17 12:56:46 Lassiter... I imainge if you had enough content to keep it going and specific enough.. you'd be looking at a decent income possibly Jul 17 12:56:53 300 lassiter? you are talking a Gold site. A Cyberage Plat is 200 Jul 17 12:57:16 still a lot more than 30...hehheh Jul 17 12:58:10 when you think about it there must be millions of old pics that people have, wonder if they re-cycle them? Jul 17 12:58:15 Frank: Yeah, I m just tossing the terms around ;)Basically what I mean is...200 pics to make a couple dozen free sites or small AVS sites, vs. the same amount to make one (or I guess a few) Gold/Platinum sites...is it worht it? Jul 17 12:58:41 Yea, but when I do a Plat site then those 200 already sized and thumbnalied pics also makes me MANY free sites and other stuff too :) Jul 17 12:58:56 Lassiter .. do both ...lol Jul 17 12:59:07 Aha..yes I see that ;) Jul 17 12:59:30 Well, much to ponder here, guys.Thanks Frank Rowdy and Jack for all the info and advice!!! Jul 17 12:59:33 YUP, break it down. I usually throw out 10 or 12 fre sites with those pre-done 200 pics Jul 17 12:59:35 and vice versa Franks :) Jul 17 12:59:51 yup Jul 17 13:00:03 np Lassiter :) Jul 17 13:00:06 -->spookyxhas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 13:00:08 ---HippyDude gives voice to spookyx Jul 17 13:00:14 okk.. Thanks for showing up today all :) Jul 17 13:00:21 hiya spookyx Jul 17 13:00:29 HEY ALL Jul 17 13:00:30 thanks for all the great info everyone...learned a lot..:) Jul 17 13:00:36 =) Jul 17 13:00:39 Nice meeting everyone.Interesting chat Jul 17 13:00:45 yea, it's been great seeing all of you here. I had a great time.:) Jul 17 13:00:54 back to the mines ;) Jul 17 13:00:54 It was a good chat and we're always looking for ideas on the upcoming chats so just post them on the newbie board :) Jul 17 13:01:10 yep Lassiter,got my shovel handy here.:) Jul 17 13:01:14 you should come check out the boards to Surfn, been nice meeeting you too :) Jul 17 13:01:39 I visit GG's board Jul 17 13:01:40 -->wanaboohas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 13:01:42 ---HippyDude gives voice to wanaboo Jul 17 13:01:57 plc: yeppers Jul 17 13:02:00 ;) Jul 17 13:02:02 cya guys...enjoyed it...off to work again.:) Jul 17 13:02:09 byee Jul 17 13:02:12 hiya wanaboo Jul 17 13:02:25 Hi wannaboo! Jul 17 13:02:26 http://adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/ Jul 17 13:02:29 plc do I know you? Jul 17 13:02:35 HAve to get going... have a great day all :) Jul 17 13:02:42 not sure surfn...do you..:) Jul 17 13:02:46 hi all! Jul 17 13:02:49 Have a good one Rowdy :) Jul 17 13:02:50 <--Rowdy has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jul 17 13:03:03 ok folks, hard to beieve a hour has already passed. I have to head out. Come visit us on the boards. :))) Jul 17 13:03:09 must go...cya Jul 17 13:03:12 <--plchas left #netsurprise Jul 17 13:03:28 Bye Frank Jul 17 13:03:30 hope everyone has a great day. see ya next time :))) Jul 17 13:04:10 <--Frankhas left #netsurprise Jul 17 13:04:31 <--Kandi has quit (Connection reset by peer) Jul 17 13:04:33 <--Surfn has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jul 17 13:04:54 -->Kandihas joined #netsurprise Jul 17 13:04:55 ---HippyDude gives voice to Kandi Jul 17 13:05:07 byeeeeeeeeee guys! See you in Philly! Jul 17 13:06:19 <--Deidre has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jul 17 13:06:41 ---WillyB has changed the topic to: ~*\!/*~ Today is Wednesday - July 17th, 2002 ~*\!/*~ Welcome to Adult NetSurprise Chat - Adult Webmasters Only!!!