Jun 12 13:58:04 ---HippyDude has changed the topic to: The Wednesday Newbie Chat Hour with Special Guest today ~ Barry Hilton!!! TOPIC: Basic Graphics Tips and Tricks to Optimize Your Sites ~*\!/*~Today is Wednesday - June 12th, 2002~*\!/*~ Welcome to Adult NetSurprise Chat - Adult Webmasters Only!!! Jun 12 13:58:21 Thanks for taking the time out of your schedule for the chat today Barry :) Jun 12 13:58:42 no problem Rowdy! Always a pleasure :o) Jun 12 13:59:39 -->Frankhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 13:59:40 -->Crawdadhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 13:59:41 ---HippyDude gives voice to Frank Jun 12 13:59:41 ---HippyDude gives voice to Crawdad Jun 12 13:59:52 Hiya Folks!!! Jun 12 13:59:53 Hi Frank, Crawdad Jun 12 13:59:54 does anyone have any graphics questions? Jun 12 13:59:58 hi Frank Jun 12 14:00:02 hi Crawdad Jun 12 14:00:09 hi everybody Jun 12 14:00:09 -->Bobbiekeyhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:00:10 ---HippyDude gives voice to Bobbiekey Jun 12 14:00:20 Hi bobbiekey Jun 12 14:00:21 Hiya Bobbiekey Jun 12 14:00:21 Hi Frank and Crawdad Jun 12 14:00:26 Hi everyone:) Jun 12 14:00:27 hiBobbiekey Jun 12 14:00:29 hi Bobbiekey :o) Jun 12 14:00:33 Hi Rowdy, barry Jun 12 14:00:33 Hiya Rowdy Jun 12 14:01:04 ---HippyDude gives channel operator status to Frank Jun 12 14:01:27 Hi Frank and Crawdad :) Jun 12 14:01:33 hello thare Bobbiekey Jun 12 14:01:39 hi Crawdad, Bobbiekey, and Frank Jun 12 14:01:39 hiya willy, bobbie Jun 12 14:01:45 I've got a PS6 question Barry ;) Jun 12 14:01:46 howdy Ron Jun 12 14:01:48 -->Im_not_fbihas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:01:50 ---HippyDude gives voice to Im_not_fbi Jun 12 14:01:53 *Bobbiekey giggles.... hiya willyb :)) Jun 12 14:02:06 <--Diesel has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jun 12 14:02:08 ---Im_not_fbi is now known as Spw_Guru Jun 12 14:02:09 okay Lassiter.. fire away :o) Jun 12 14:02:25 hello Spw_Guru Jun 12 14:02:25 hi Spw Guru Jun 12 14:02:52 *Bobbiekey waves hi to Crawdad.. Jun 12 14:02:52 hi Spw Guru Jun 12 14:02:55 -->MrMaryLouhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:02:57 ---HippyDude gives voice to MrMaryLou Jun 12 14:03:05 hi MrMaryLou! Jun 12 14:03:07 Is it possible to adjust the "despeckle" and "sharpen" commands?I know there's probably some tricks I sould learn about "unsharp mask" but I'd like to despeckle the photos without making them blurry. Jun 12 14:03:13 hi everybody Jun 12 14:03:15 Hello all Jun 12 14:03:16 Hiya MrMaryLou Jun 12 14:03:22 hi MrMaryLou:) Jun 12 14:03:53 Or in short..whats the best way to get digital hash out of a pic while still keeping it sharp and detailed? Jun 12 14:03:59 Hiya MrMaryLou! Jun 12 14:04:12 MMM oh yeah this is for me graphicly challenged chat Jun 12 14:04:16 The easiest way to do it Lassiter is to fade the filter after its applied... go to the edit menu and select fade, then you can enter a % value Jun 12 14:04:17 -->lisahas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:04:18 ---HippyDude gives voice to lisa Jun 12 14:04:22 wb lisa Jun 12 14:04:22 hi lisa Jun 12 14:04:24 hey lisa! Jun 12 14:04:30 hi everyone Jun 12 14:04:34 Ah!;) Jun 12 14:04:41 hiya lisa, i am ALSO Lisa.... Jun 12 14:04:51 hi there Jun 12 14:04:51 hola, lisa Jun 12 14:04:54 -->plchas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:04:55 ---HippyDude gives voice to plc Jun 12 14:05:00 hi lisa.... i'm not lisa Jun 12 14:05:01 Hiya Bratt, didn't see ya there. Jun 12 14:05:03 :)) Jun 12 14:05:08 i am lurking...as usual Jun 12 14:05:11 <---also not Lisa Jun 12 14:05:11 did i miss anything Jun 12 14:05:13 hehe Jun 12 14:05:17 *Crawdad knows some lisa jokes Jun 12 14:05:22 you can also duplicate the layer first, apply the effect, then change its opacity to soften the effect Jun 12 14:05:24 ohhhh no ....lisa jokes Jun 12 14:05:30 Hi All Jun 12 14:05:36 just starting lisa. you have any photo/graphics questions? Jun 12 14:05:36 shhh, sorry barry Jun 12 14:05:38 hi plc! Jun 12 14:05:41 hi plc :) Jun 12 14:05:49 hiya plc Jun 12 14:05:51 Crawdad!!!!! Jun 12 14:05:52 Hi Barry, Bobbiekey..:) Jun 12 14:05:56 Thanks Barry...sometimes the obvious solutions dont strike me ;) Jun 12 14:05:58 sup bro Jun 12 14:06:01 yo Kre my bud Jun 12 14:06:22 lol, it just helps when you're using photoshop all day :o) Jun 12 14:06:32 LOL I imagine thats true Barry Jun 12 14:06:41 actually i am working with a new program that is giving me he**. called gallery maker pro Jun 12 14:07:01 i tried that a while back, didn't like it much lisa Jun 12 14:07:04 I've not used that one Jun 12 14:07:19 Hiya plc Jun 12 14:07:21 it seems to work ok if I knew what i was doing Jun 12 14:07:25 i have been playing around with xara last couple days Jun 12 14:07:30 sorry tia Jun 12 14:07:32 most people, especially newbies I don't think are going to have the money, or no how to use, Adobe. What do you think about Paint Shop Pro? Jun 12 14:07:38 Hi Rowdy..:) Jun 12 14:07:40 xara's my favourite program :o) Jun 12 14:07:44 BTW Crawdad... no available sisters....lol Jun 12 14:07:52 i have never used that. Jun 12 14:07:55 i need to buy it, i only have the demo, i want to get the templates for it Jun 12 14:08:05 xara's good Barry...have you ever used Image Composer? Jun 12 14:08:15 but i really like it alot Barry Jun 12 14:08:25 lol Rowdy, can't blame a guy for asking Jun 12 14:08:30 someone told me it's just like $68 or something is that right? Jun 12 14:08:31 it's great for the price... don't know if anyones tried Adobe Elements? Jun 12 14:08:36 -->Deidrehas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:08:37 ---HippyDude gives voice to Deidre Jun 12 14:08:42 something like htat Frank Jun 12 14:08:43 Hi Deidre Jun 12 14:08:49 hi Deidre Jun 12 14:08:52 hello there! Jun 12 14:08:53 that even Jun 12 14:08:54 Hiya Deidre Jun 12 14:08:55 Hi Deidre :) Jun 12 14:08:56 not at all Crawdad :) Jun 12 14:09:04 Hey Bratt, did ya rate me? LOL Jun 12 14:09:11 i got the xara 3d with the crack from kazaa last night.. Jun 12 14:09:34 not yet, but i will do that now Jun 12 14:09:34 <--Sheepish_ has quit (Connection reset by peer) Jun 12 14:09:39 plc, no... the programs I use mainly are Photoshop, Ulead Gif Animator, Flash, Xara, Corel Draw (for show displays) Jun 12 14:09:57 hi Deidre Jun 12 14:10:10 My IC can do all the Adobe stuff in a fraction of the time..:)I prefer it to be honest Jun 12 14:10:17 barry, i have xara 3.0 but only the demo, but i have the full version+crack of xara3d Jun 12 14:10:19 what flash is that ? Jun 12 14:10:38 bratt, bad gurl using cracks lol Jun 12 14:10:51 JP, I've got 5 at the moment, but upgrading to MX shortly Jun 12 14:11:00 never heard of xara? is it xara.com? and how about the flash one too? Jun 12 14:11:00 For eveluation purposes Im sure ;) Jun 12 14:11:13 Flash 5 I have Jun 12 14:11:13 lol lassiter Jun 12 14:11:16 Bratt, I'm using xara x, their vector program Jun 12 14:11:38 -->Sheepish_has joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:11:40 ---HippyDude gives voice to Sheepish_ Jun 12 14:11:45 Crawdad: I'm pretty honest, but I do have a few games I've been evaluating for a couple of years now LOL Jun 12 14:11:46 wb Sheepish_ Jun 12 14:11:47 www.xara.com Frank :o) Xara X is their best progra, and cheap too :o) Jun 12 14:11:52 is it an adult version Barry...sounds rude..LOL:) Jun 12 14:11:52 wb Sheepish Jun 12 14:11:53 Visit Adult NetSuprise at http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/ for All of your Webmastering Needs! Jun 12 14:12:00 i haven't seen that one Jun 12 14:12:04 rofl Jun 12 14:12:29 the used to licence it to Corel, but retained the rights again last year Jun 12 14:12:44 don't we all lassiter Jun 12 14:12:45 I don't go with licenses..LOL:) Jun 12 14:12:51 lol Jun 12 14:13:03 i downloaded dreamweaver mx and fireworx mx trial. just briefly looked into it though Jun 12 14:13:05 <--tryng to be good these days about warez Jun 12 14:13:22 Frank thanks for the tip with the script...it worked fine..:) Jun 12 14:13:32 they look pretty good JP Jun 12 14:14:01 Who is going to the PhillAWE..? Jun 12 14:14:04 heya barryhilton Jun 12 14:14:15 you're welcome plc, glad it helped.: ) Jun 12 14:14:18 We'll start off by looking at JPG compression and how you can save money on your bandwidth :o) Jun 12 14:14:22 it did thanks..:) Jun 12 14:14:23 hi Druid Jun 12 14:14:26 PUP and I will be in Philly, plc! Jun 12 14:14:28 http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiechat/newbie_1.html Jun 12 14:14:34 good deal barry Jun 12 14:14:37 just did http://www.lesbenbordell.de/ Jun 12 14:14:37 ;)( Jun 12 14:14:39 areglf Jun 12 14:14:40 nah Jun 12 14:14:51 brb :) Jun 12 14:14:53 Here's 5 photos, 100% (no compression) to 20% highly compressed Jun 12 14:14:53 jasc image robot for jpg conversion and it makes great thumbs Jun 12 14:15:50 now tell me Barry..why would you want to cpmpress HER...??? Jun 12 14:15:50 good examples Barry! Jun 12 14:15:53 druid, looks good. your own site or for a customer ? Jun 12 14:15:53 Heh..on my funky flatscreen monitor they all look the same Jun 12 14:16:01 own site Jun 12 14:16:02 wel Jun 12 14:16:04 ;) Jun 12 14:16:04 hehe Jun 12 14:16:06 druid, how many days left at bund ? Jun 12 14:16:16 As you can see there's very little difference between the 100% and 60% compression (in Photoshop this is the usual standard compression for quailty/compression ratios) Jun 12 14:16:18 5 or 7 Jun 12 14:16:19 dunno Jun 12 14:16:20 lol Jun 12 14:16:25 rofl!!! Jun 12 14:16:26 isnt it like beeing drunk 24/7 towards the end ? Jun 12 14:16:31 :) Jun 12 14:16:36 massband saufen or something like that Jun 12 14:16:44 site looks great Druid Jun 12 14:17:17 nah Jun 12 14:17:22 want it better Jun 12 14:17:37 How much of size will 60% take off .. generally barryhilton? Jun 12 14:17:43 With this particular picture, because of the white background you could quite happily get away with 40% compression a massive 85% reduction in your bandwidth Jun 12 14:17:44 better than what, Druid ??? Jun 12 14:18:01 than now :) Jun 12 14:18:12 Willy, between 60 and 80% depending on the pic Jun 12 14:18:29 cool Jun 12 14:18:51 I will try lowering things then.. . I usually go with 75% to 85% compression Jun 12 14:18:53 hi guys Jun 12 14:18:58 hi tia :-) Jun 12 14:19:59 but it depends on the program... Uleads compression software works best at around 72% Jun 12 14:20:06 I can compress that one from 95.5Kb down to 14 kbwithout any further loss of resolution Jun 12 14:20:08 Hi Tia! Jun 12 14:20:15 hiya barry!!! Jun 12 14:20:16 Hi tai Jun 12 14:20:21 is this a graphics chat? Jun 12 14:20:28 so there is a "trial and error" logic to the amount... correct? Jun 12 14:20:35 yup Jun 12 14:20:41 -->R3Khas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:20:42 whoa.. cool!!! Jun 12 14:20:42 tia.. newbie chat on basic graphics :) Jun 12 14:20:44 ---HippyDude gives voice to R3K Jun 12 14:21:04 Barry..is it the amount of white that makes further reduction possible, or the amount of solid color in general? Jun 12 14:21:15 back... Jun 12 14:21:26 wb Bobbiekey Jun 12 14:21:29 <--R3Khas left #netsurprise Jun 12 14:21:45 wb Bobbiekey Jun 12 14:21:46 Yes, Rowdy, try putting down the % 2% at a time if you really want to get the best compression to quality ratio... After all, you need to pay for the bandwidth so even a 2-5kb less per image adds up Jun 12 14:21:54 ty:)) Jun 12 14:21:56 TOPIC: Basic Graphics Tips and Tricks to Optimize Your Sites Jun 12 14:22:14 I agree... every kb saved is money saved :) Jun 12 14:22:28 Lassiter, for the best quality rationjpgs you need a soft focus background, blurred ones work best Jun 12 14:23:03 ratio jpgs Jun 12 14:23:36 Ah...so the foreground pic will still hold up ok under more extreme compression as long as the rest of the pic doesnt have too much detail? Jun 12 14:24:09 so, you could blur some of the backgrounds of pics to further reduce the bandwidth, if you use a marquee with a feather of 10 to 25 depending on the size of the picture... you can alter the focus so the girl stands out more Jun 12 14:24:14 so.. you can actually lasso around the pic.. reverse selection and blur.. and it will lession the K then? Jun 12 14:24:20 Don't wanna make the girls look like they have a skin disorder LOL Jun 12 14:24:23 wtg willy! Jun 12 14:24:23 how about just a single color barry.. is it a good idea to blur those too.. as backgrounds? Jun 12 14:24:32 cool :-) Jun 12 14:25:11 a single color works fine... but you can see the compressing around text for example looking messy... so a gif is usually better Jun 12 14:25:14 you have just been a great teacher Barry ;-) Jun 12 14:25:24 lol :o) Jun 12 14:25:34 my best student :o) Jun 12 14:25:44 :-)) Jun 12 14:26:10 I notice when I use a single color.. it isn't always one color when optimized.. is there a way to keep the color single? Jun 12 14:26:18 doesn't a gif format use more bytes than a jpg of the same file??? Jun 12 14:26:34 not when using a jpg Tia, unless you don't compress it as much Jun 12 14:26:46 guess that depends on the amount of colors Jun 12 14:27:17 no Willy... if we move on to... http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiechat/newbie_2.html we'll look at jpgs/gifs and whats better for each type of graphic Jun 12 14:27:19 gifs can actually be very small when there aren't many colors Jun 12 14:27:59 as you can see, with a photo type image a gif is a lot larger than a jpg Jun 12 14:28:34 by choosing jpg compression for photos or images with lots of blends of colors you'll save yourself a pile of bandwidth cash :o) Jun 12 14:29:02 cool Jun 12 14:29:06 but as you can see with the text image, the jpg is more than twice as large Jun 12 14:29:59 <--lisahas left #netsurprise Jun 12 14:30:08 ahhh Jun 12 14:30:09 ok Jun 12 14:30:11 IC Jun 12 14:30:18 if you're running compression software that you can easily swap between previews of gifs and jpgs with their sizes... look at each graphic you design and after a while you'll learn what works best with what Jun 12 14:31:19 yeah Jun 12 14:31:32 Basically, a gif compresses the image by shortening 'lines' of color... so if you've got 30 pixels in a line the same color it's 1/30 the size as 30 pixels of different colors Jun 12 14:31:44 interesting... I have been using jpg all along for everything Jun 12 14:31:48 hmmmmm Jun 12 14:32:25 didn't realize that difference myself Jun 12 14:32:33 learn something new everyday :) Jun 12 14:32:42 definately Rowdy Jun 12 14:32:51 for anything with rows of color either vertically or horizontally try a gif Jun 12 14:33:27 like the text image is made up of little lines of black and white so it compresses well as a gif Jun 12 14:33:47 But then since gifs use fewer colors in the pallette, I guess it's important to try to keep the colors Windows-standard when trying to blend gif graphics into a background, right? Jun 12 14:34:12 Web-standard palette I mean Jun 12 14:35:07 not really, gif's use a pallet of 256 colors which can be any colors from the screens resolution... most computers now run at either 65k or millions of colors... I don't know anyone using their computer in 256 colors Jun 12 14:36:19 No I mean say I havea background color on my screen that isn't one onf the "standard" 256 colors...ah, you mean I can make that gif palette use any color I want? Jun 12 14:36:36 -->freewayhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:36:37 ---HippyDude gives voice to freeway Jun 12 14:36:50 hi freeway Jun 12 14:36:59 Yo hows it going today? Jun 12 14:37:01 hiya freeway Jun 12 14:37:01 hello freeway Jun 12 14:37:06 Hi freeway Jun 12 14:37:08 the gif pallet will be anything you want... it'll convert colors to the closest match when it makes up the pallet of 256 Jun 12 14:37:14 hi freeway Jun 12 14:37:16 newbie chat in progress :) Jun 12 14:37:16 TOPIC: Basic Graphics Tips and Tricks to Optimize Your Sites Jun 12 14:37:18 ah ok.Thanks Jun 12 14:37:24 hi freeway Jun 12 14:37:41 hello all Jun 12 14:38:26 -->LaughingEyeshas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:38:27 ---HippyDude gives voice to LaughingEyes Jun 12 14:38:29 if you look at the http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiechat/newbie_2.html top gif image its made up of 256 colors of shades of the girls hair and skin mostly Jun 12 14:38:32 hi LE! Jun 12 14:38:35 hello LE :) Jun 12 14:38:39 very cool barry .. what other tricks ya got for us :) Jun 12 14:38:43 Hey everybody!!!!! Jun 12 14:38:49 hiya LaughingEyes Jun 12 14:39:05 Hi LE Jun 12 14:39:14 hi LaughingEyes:)) Jun 12 14:39:54 Now the next approach is looking carefully at your graphics... take a look at http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiechat/newbie_3.html Jun 12 14:40:15 hi LE Jun 12 14:40:50 Now, the top two images are a single image, so logically you'd choose jpg compression as its the smaller file at 11.4kb a saving of 35% Jun 12 14:41:27 these pages you have made up are sweet Barry! You out did yourself.... great info :) Jun 12 14:41:45 gotta run,, guys ... lotsa work to do! - byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Jun 12 14:41:52 but, it's easy to cut your image in two... with the text and plain background as one image and the girl as the second... now you can save your image as two files, choosing the best compression for each Jun 12 14:41:53 It's time to build for the fall! Get content for your feeders at Summertime discounts at http://www.midnightdigital.com/ Jun 12 14:41:57 bye Diedre Jun 12 14:41:58 Bye deidre Jun 12 14:42:05 see ya Deidre Jun 12 14:42:05 c'ya Deidre Jun 12 14:42:05 <--Deidre has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jun 12 14:42:19 saving an extra 13% of your bandwidth charges Jun 12 14:42:30 thanks Rowdy! :o)))) Jun 12 14:43:02 doing that accross all sites and domains could save quite a bit in bandwidth Jun 12 14:43:32 even if the text overlapped the photo, cut the image as close to the photo as you can, then save them in two parts Jun 12 14:43:48 save a hell of a lot that way Jun 12 14:43:58 wow Jun 12 14:44:01 cool! Jun 12 14:44:06 <--daNk has quit (Connection reset by peer) Jun 12 14:44:08 you can butt them up so it's not noticed on the page too Jun 12 14:44:15 by carefully optimizing your graphics you should look to a saving of 30 to 50% bandwidth Jun 12 14:44:54 those are just side by side images, if you want vertical add a break and they'll still butt up Jun 12 14:45:06 -->Styxhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:45:07 ---HippyDude gives voice to Styx Jun 12 14:45:12 hi Styx Jun 12 14:45:20 Hiya Styx Jun 12 14:45:22 uh Jun 12 14:45:24 Hi there Jun 12 14:45:27 hi Styx Jun 12 14:45:29 just downloaded xara 3d and tried it aout Jun 12 14:45:33 nice tip barryhilton :)= Jun 12 14:45:39 :o) Jun 12 14:45:45 Great stuff barry! Jun 12 14:45:55 <--Bratt has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jun 12 14:46:04 hello styx Jun 12 14:46:10 The next thing to think about (sorry no example page) would be repeating graphics... Jun 12 14:46:23 wow Cool! is right Lassiter hehehe Jun 12 14:46:26 insubsequent pages? Jun 12 14:46:45 ;) Jun 12 14:46:47 for fast loading and bandwidth saving? Jun 12 14:47:04 If you can use the same graphic on another page it's already in the cache so it doesn't download again... saving you bandwidth Jun 12 14:47:09 yes Lassiter Jun 12 14:47:33 this is especially useful for page headers Jun 12 14:47:35 that brings up an interesting point.. does it make a difference if you call your images w/ complete URL or with a relitive url Jun 12 14:47:44 I agree barry.. many folks over look that fact Jun 12 14:47:48 <--Styx has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jun 12 14:47:58 ie .. www.domain.com/pic.jpg or like ../pic.jpg ? Jun 12 14:48:10 i've also wondered that willy Jun 12 14:48:21 doesn't matter Willy, either is fine Jun 12 14:48:23 -->eisbaerhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:48:25 ---HippyDude gives voice to eisbaer Jun 12 14:48:32 is either one quicker? Jun 12 14:48:35 well ya should have asked Crawdad....lol j/k :) Jun 12 14:48:40 lol Rowdy! Jun 12 14:48:44 Hello eisbaer Jun 12 14:48:47 -->aragornhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:48:49 ---HippyDude gives voice to aragorn Jun 12 14:48:56 hiya aragorn Jun 12 14:48:58 *WillyB wonders where boodrow is at Jun 12 14:48:58 Its still up to the users browser how it handles the image cache WillyB. Jun 12 14:48:59 Crawdad is shy :) Jun 12 14:49:00 lol Rowdy, I need to start writing down questions cuz i forget alot Jun 12 14:49:03 hi aragorn Jun 12 14:49:06 using the w/only matters if you are pulling a page as opposed to a pic WillyB Jun 12 14:49:07 hi all Jun 12 14:49:10 ok.. that makes sense Lassiter Jun 12 14:49:13 hi eisbaer and aragorn Jun 12 14:49:15 lol, terribly shy Jun 12 14:49:26 lol Crawdad... I have the same problem :) Jun 12 14:49:29 hello aragorn :) Jun 12 14:49:32 hiya ei Jun 12 14:49:34 I'm the most UNSHY guy i know Jun 12 14:49:34 hey willyb Jun 12 14:49:40 HELLOeisbaer Jun 12 14:49:48 http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiechat/newbie_3.html If the My Site text was in the middle of the girl and you wanted to repeat the header with different text... chop the image up into three pieces... top of her head, text, bottom of her torso... that way you only load the center text graphic on each page Jun 12 14:49:50 ooops .. sry for the all caps Jun 12 14:49:55 :) Jun 12 14:50:04 hi aragorn and eisbaer Jun 12 14:50:21 im looking for a lost bookmark.It was a site that helped link to linklists.It had cut and paste html to add to the freesites.Anyone remember this ? Jun 12 14:50:21 ok Jun 12 14:50:31 hmmm.. actually hadn't though of the image "peices" before... interesting Jun 12 14:50:33 If ya look at the URL data on the bottom of the browser, it's always calling up the full URL path regardless of whether ya use the ".." or not Jun 12 14:51:21 ok... yeah .. I should have noticed that .. and have but never put 2 + 2 = doh WillyB Jun 12 14:51:32 I do that with image maps to optimize banners.. mix gifs and jpgs together to make the best look with the lowest k Jun 12 14:51:33 sheeesh Jun 12 14:51:35 aragorn .. thre's more than a few I imagine... did ya check the links page in the newbie zone for the one you wanted? Jun 12 14:51:45 that's right Lassiter, also using relative pointers ../ etc it will make your html page smaller too as each character adds up Jun 12 14:51:51 Rowdy: no havn't checked there Jun 12 14:52:20 -->DarkJedihas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:52:22 ---HippyDude gives voice to DarkJedi Jun 12 14:52:32 http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiezone/clinks.phtml Jun 12 14:52:35 hiya DarkJedi Jun 12 14:52:41 thanks a bunch Rowdy Jun 12 14:52:43 ji all Jun 12 14:52:45 Plus it saves a lot of repetitive typing for those of us who code mainly by hand Jun 12 14:52:45 hi Jun 12 14:52:45 hola, DarkJedi Jun 12 14:52:46 hi DarkJedi Jun 12 14:52:53 -->_Splitz_has joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:52:54 ---HippyDude gives voice to _Splitz_ Jun 12 14:52:59 that's true Lassiter Jun 12 14:53:03 gotta run, take care Jun 12 14:53:04 Hi Splitz Jun 12 14:53:06 <--Ronhas left #netsurprise Jun 12 14:53:10 hi DarkJedi and _Splitz_ Jun 12 14:53:10 hiya DarkJedi, Splitz :) Jun 12 14:53:16 <_Splitz_>heylo Jun 12 14:53:25 no problem aragorn :) Jun 12 14:53:36 wb _Splitz_ Jun 12 14:54:05 BTW, tomorrow's graphics chat, same time, same place is all about being creative with layer effects and how to get around some of the common problems Jun 12 14:54:19 sounds cool Jun 12 14:54:20 i heard sounds cool was there a pre made one around? Jun 12 14:54:24 Wheee...gonna try hard to make that one Barry Jun 12 14:54:33 Hope you bring your vinigar cloth along Barry..:) Jun 12 14:54:43 http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiechat/newbie_1.html Jun 12 14:54:49 http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiechat/newbie_2.html Jun 12 14:54:54 http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/newbiechat/newbie_3.html Jun 12 14:54:54 ---#netsurprise :You're not channel operator Jun 12 14:55:08 -->frawerhas joined #netsurprise Jun 12 14:55:09 ---HippyDude gives voice to frawer Jun 12 14:55:15 <--LaughingEyes has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jun 12 14:55:19 hey frawer Jun 12 14:55:24 hi frawer Jun 12 14:55:28 hiya frawer Jun 12 14:55:33 Hi all Jun 12 14:55:36 lol Jun 12 14:55:49 Yep.. everyone should try and make the graphics chat each week... always great information given away for free! :) Jun 12 14:55:51 did you ping out frawer? Jun 12 14:56:04 Ping out? Jun 12 14:56:09 I may surprise you and have version 6 tomorrow...heheheh Jun 12 14:56:19 woohoo!!!! Jun 12 14:56:21 cool plc :) Jun 12 14:56:22 :) Jun 12 14:56:23 yeah.. well.. as eisbaer that is ;) Jun 12 14:56:49 is this good or bad :-) ? Jun 12 14:56:56 so you'll only need one aspirin Barry...heheheh Jun 12 14:57:02 lol Jun 12 14:57:07 <--eisbaer has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jun 12 14:57:11 does anyone else have any questions of graphics or... compression Jun 12 14:57:18 rofl plc Jun 12 14:57:23 Rowdy: It was securityman i believe http://101fetishes.com/submtool/submitool.htm almost positive it was this.But its DOWN! :) Jun 12 14:57:41 I appreciate you being here today barry. It's been a GREAT chat and so much good info.: ) Jun 12 14:57:42 neither .. just was wondering .. it happens and sometimes ppl can't get their nick back untill the pinged out nick is out of the server Jun 12 14:58:02 yeah .. Great chat today! Jun 12 14:58:04 aragorn: U looking for Submitool? Jun 12 14:58:08 hmmm... aragorn .. should be back up as far as I know soon Jun 12 14:58:10 Lassiter yeah Jun 12 14:58:12 http://www.submitool.com Jun 12 14:58:14 Thanks for taking all the time today Barry! Jun 12 14:58:14 always is great when Barry comes along..:) Jun 12 14:58:16 kewl chat barry Jun 12 14:58:17 everyone needs to know about optimization.. great subject barry :) Jun 12 14:58:18 Thanks barry... you did a great job today! Jun 12 14:58:19 great thanks Lassiter Jun 12 14:58:19 thanks Jun 12 14:58:19 np Frank! When I get a minute I'll write it up as a tutorial for the Graphix Zone Jun 12 14:58:20 Its on its own domain now Jun 12 14:58:23 ditto plc :) Jun 12 14:58:38 ~smile~ Jun 12 14:58:41 ok, back to work for me, great chat barry Jun 12 14:58:43 Thanks Barry!!! VERY helpful info Jun 12 14:58:49 sounds great barry!:) Jun 12 14:58:49 bye everybody Jun 12 14:58:49 take care Crawdad Jun 12 14:58:52 http://submitool.com/ Jun 12 14:58:53 me too, thanks Barry, cya tomorrow..:) Jun 12 14:58:54 np aragorn Jun 12 14:58:58 <--Crawdad has quit (QUIT: User exited) Jun 12 14:59:01 just found it Jun 12 14:59:08 by guys and gals...until the 'morrow..:) Jun 12 14:59:09 later crawdad Jun 12 14:59:10 don't forget folks .. the chatroom is always open 24/7 ;-) Jun 12 14:59:13 Don't forget to check out the GraphixZone for 200+ free graphics and 138 tutorials Jun 12 14:59:30 and the fridge is always stacked with cold ones ;) Jun 12 14:59:41 I'll have to get that link changed on the contributed page.. thanks for the heads up on that lassiter Jun 12 14:59:42