May 22 14:00:09 --- WillyB has changed the topic to: The Wednesday Newbie Chat - Todays Topic: The Basics of Traffic~*\!/*~ Today is May 22, 2002 ~*\!/*~ Welcome to Adult NetSurprise Chat- Adult Webmasters Only!!!
May 22 14:00:19 <WillyB> Hi tia :-)
May 22 14:00:19 <Frank> hiya ross0, you may wanna try going with a bank debit card for your purposes. Only keep the money you need in the account.
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May 22 14:00:54 <ross0> they dont have that in canada frank
May 22 14:00:58 <Rowdy> hi plc
May 22 14:01:07 <Frank> looks to be alittle slow right now for sure. Figured there would be a few more but I'm sure they'll filter in as always.
May 22 14:01:08 <ross0> only atm cards or true credit cards
May 22 14:01:12 <plc> Hi Rowdy
May 22 14:01:25 <Ladyj> I figured out why I had no sound coming from speakers,,had to reaset my sound card..now I am listening to dokk :)
May 22 14:01:26 <Frank> oh ok ross, I didn't know that, bummer.
May 22 14:01:27 <plc> Hi Frank, Ross0
May 22 14:01:31 <Frank> hi plc
May 22 14:01:50 <ross0> well not where i live anyway. Frank. :)
May 22 14:01:54 <plc> How ya'l?
May 22 14:01:57 <Boodrow> remind me not to move to Canadia
May 22 14:01:59 <Frank> good to hear Ladyj
May 22 14:02:05 <ben0> http://www.pornolize.com/cgi-bin/pornolize2/pornolize2.cgi?lang=en&url=www.jesuschrist.com
May 22 14:02:08 <ross0> i prolly a good thinh tho frank;)
May 22 14:02:09 <MrMaryLou> Hello all 
May 22 14:02:11 <Frank> LOL Boodrow
May 22 14:02:21 <Frank> Hi MrMaryLou!!!!!!!!!!
May 22 14:02:32 <Rowdy> Hi MrMaryLou :)
May 22 14:02:41 <MrMaryLou> Hello
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May 22 14:02:54 <Lassiter> hi all
May 22 14:02:54 <Frank> Hi Pyretta_Blaze
May 22 14:02:56 <Rowdy> hi Pyretta_Blaze and Lassiter
May 22 14:02:59 <Frank> Hi lassiter
May 22 14:03:03 <Pyretta_Blaze> hi Frank and Rowdy
May 22 14:03:06 <MrMaryLou> I just got your spam I mean ICQ LOL
May 22 14:03:12 <Rowdy> lol
May 22 14:03:16 <Lassiter> Hiya Rowdy, Frank
May 22 14:03:20 <Frank> darn, I am a slow 2 finger typer, hard to keep up sometimes, lol
May 22 14:03:42 <MrMaryLou> So I figured Id pull my head out of the links and say hi
May 22 14:03:44 * Pyretta_Blaze sits back to become enlightened
May 22 14:04:03 <Frank> Glad you did MrMaryLou, always good to have you.
May 22 14:04:04 <Lassiter> Got an off-topic question about selling merchandise
May 22 14:04:09 <plc> Hi Lassiter
May 22 14:04:11 <Rowdy> always a pleasure to have ya stop in MrMaryLou!
May 22 14:04:13 <Lassiter> hi plc
May 22 14:04:27 <Raven> damn..i'm only two minutes late...and i've already missed stuff?
May 22 14:04:30 <Rowdy> selling merchandise is kinda on topic :)
May 22 14:04:31 <ben0> lol
May 22 14:04:34 <tia> good crowd here today, this room is getting so popular!
May 22 14:04:34 <plc> Hi Raven
May 22 14:04:38 <Rowdy> Hiya Raven :)
May 22 14:04:40 <ben0> hiya raven :)
May 22 14:04:41 <plc> Hi tia
May 22 14:04:44 <ross0> hey raven
May 22 14:04:45 <Raven> hey, plc....hiya, rowdy :-))
May 22 14:04:47 <tia> hi plc
May 22 14:04:47 <MrMaryLou> Shh just dont tell greenie I am not working LOL
May 22 14:04:52 * Pyretta_Blaze waves to everyone
May 22 14:04:54 <Raven> hi, ross.
May 22 14:04:58 <tia> hi Pyretta_Blaze
May 22 14:05:02 * Raven makes note to write greenie a letter
May 22 14:05:06 <Pyretta_Blaze> Blaze is fine, it's easier to type
May 22 14:05:07 <Lassiter> I want to sell custom videos on my pay site, but iBill explicitly forbids processing for orders that could "constitute pornography if received by someone under 18 years of age."
May 22 14:05:14 <Frank> Hi Raven!!!!!
May 22 14:05:18 --- WillyB gives voice to Lassiter
May 22 14:05:20 --- WillyB gives voice to plc
May 22 14:05:22 <ben0> whatever
May 22 14:05:22 --- WillyB gives voice to Pyretta_Blaze
May 22 14:05:23 <Raven> hiya, frank !!
May 22 14:05:35 * Raven waves to the room and then sits down and shuts up
May 22 14:05:44 * Midnight waves back
May 22 14:05:46 <Pyretta_Blaze> ty WillyB
May 22 14:05:46 <Rowdy> that's ok MrMaryLou... he was screwin with me today because I submitted a site I built a month ago and forgot about...lol
May 22 14:05:54 <tia> I don't understand Lassiter, the movies will be inside won't they?
May 22 14:05:56 <Lassiter> I mean, the whole idea of the credit card is to make sure only over-18s order the merchandise (yea, I know, but thats what congress said was ok, right?)
May 22 14:05:58 <MrMaryLou> LOL
May 22 14:06:09 <Lassiter> tia: I mean as VHS or CD-videos
May 22 14:06:12 <Raven> and ibill processes tangibles, like videos, lassiter
May 22 14:06:23 <tia> oh I see
May 22 14:06:27 <Pyretta_Blaze> (Con=oposite of Pro...congress=opposite of progress.)
May 22 14:06:33 <Lassiter> lol 
May 22 14:06:46 <Rowdy> Lassiter.. I imagine that's more of a disclaimer issue personally.
May 22 14:06:58 <Lassiter> But looks like I cant use iBill Catalog Complete to sell 'em, so does anyone know a payment processor that will allow it?
May 22 14:07:03 <Raven> i would think, if you want to upsell videos, lassiter..you give them a link to a 'store'
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May 22 14:07:07 <plc> tell 'em to pay ya with paypal Lassiter
May 22 14:07:10 <Lassiter> Rowdy: U mean dont ask, dont tell?
May 22 14:07:27 <WillyB> Hi tia :-)
May 22 14:07:30 <Raven> give it a separate link, with a shopping cart processor
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May 22 14:07:32 <tia> hi Willy :))
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May 22 14:07:41 <Raven> hiya, tia :-)
May 22 14:07:45 <tia> hey Raven
May 22 14:07:45 <plc> Hi WillyB
May 22 14:07:49 <WillyB> hello plc
May 22 14:07:51 <tia> hiya CyberMatt
May 22 14:07:52 <WillyB> hiya Raven
May 22 14:07:55 <Lassiter> Raven: That's the general plan, but I don't have a separate merchant account and was hoping to use a 3rd-party processor
May 22 14:07:57 <WillyB> hiya Blaze
May 22 14:08:01 <Raven> hey, sweet willy
May 22 14:08:02 <plc> sorry, just spotted you WillyB..:0
May 22 14:08:04 <CyberMatt> hi tia
May 22 14:08:05 <Pyretta_Blaze> hiyas WillyB
May 22 14:08:08 <Raven> but you can use paypal or billpoint 
May 22 14:08:12 <Rowdy> nmo Lassiter... I mean that the reason the say that is because they have to. I doubt anyone wants to sell videos to anyone under 18 ya know but if the obvious isn't stated, they could be held liable type thing... 
May 22 14:08:12 <MrMaryLou> Raven baby
May 22 14:08:20 <Pyretta_Blaze> paypal is my friend.*nodsnodsnodsnods*
May 22 14:08:27 <Raven> mr. m....my honey :-))
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May 22 14:08:41 <tia> that's what I was thining too Rowdy.. just to cover themselves
May 22 14:08:58 --- WillyBot gives channel operator status to HippyDude
May 22 14:09:00 <HippyDude>The Content Zone! ... http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/contentzone/ ... Everyone Needs Content!
May 22 14:09:07 <Raven> that's why you would put the video upsell on a separate link, with a disclaimer, etc..using a third party processor, like ibill, who does those shopping carts..or billpoint or paypal
May 22 14:09:27 <WillyB> np plc :)
May 22 14:09:27 <MrMaryLou> Video Raven Same Line mmmmmmmm
May 22 14:09:31 <Lassiter> Rowdy: They say ya can't offer the stuff period by my reading, but maybe its best to do it and apologize later rather than ask permission first LOL?
May 22 14:09:39 <Pyretta_Blaze> <<<<<< is a college student who needs FREE content, LOL.
May 22 14:10:22 <Rowdy> hmmm... I misunderstood that Lassiter... that would be worth a call to find out what the exact situation is and how it applies to thier rules
May 22 14:10:23 <Lassiter> Well, I was gonna offer PayPal anyway I think, but CC processing would be nice
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May 22 14:10:41 <Raven> lassiter...we've got ibill..and we have processed videos on our sites...i've never read that
May 22 14:10:47 <Raven> hey, crawdad :-)
May 22 14:10:47 <ross0> hey crawdad
May 22 14:10:50 <Lassiter> Rowdy: Yeah, thats what I m gonna do probably
May 22 14:10:51 <WillyB> hiya Crawdad
May 22 14:10:53 <Crawdad> hi everybody
May 22 14:10:55 <Frank> Hi Crawdad
May 22 14:10:56 <Rowdy> hmm .. kinda figured a few more would show up today... ya'all aren't spreading the word now are ya? LOL :)
May 22 14:10:59 <Pyretta_Blaze> hiyas Crawdad
May 22 14:11:00 <tia> hiya Crawdad
May 22 14:11:02 <Rowdy> Hi Crawdad :)
May 22 14:11:09 <Raven> knowledge is king, rowdy 
May 22 14:11:12 <plc> Hi Crawdad
May 22 14:11:16 <Lassiter> Raven: " 4.1 Products. The Client understands and acknowledges that the following types of Products may not be offered for sale through the Service:
May 22 14:11:17 <Pyretta_Blaze> you want I should keep my trap shut then, Rowdy?*innocent look*
May 22 14:11:19 <Rowdy> Exactly Raven :)
May 22 14:11:26 <Lassiter> * Merchandise which requires special licensing for sale, such merchandise includes but is not limited to; prescription drugs, firearms, alcoholic beverages, products which are inherently dangerous or illegal or products which would constitute pornography if delivered to a person under the age of 18.
May 22 14:11:32 <Frank> me to Rowdy, I wonder if this is the best time, dunno, any feedback from anyone? Is this a good time for this chat?
May 22 14:11:32 <Rowdy> ?
May 22 14:11:38 <MrMaryLou> Rowdy and Frank I have something I'd like to share I am in the middle of doing some link checks and its been real bad seen allot of folks going back and adding extra stuff
May 22 14:11:51 <Crawdad> hi mr marylou!
May 22 14:11:53 <Raven> i've read that, lassiter....but, your videos..are they your own content?
May 22 14:12:02 <Frank> cool MrMaryLou, let's here it
May 22 14:12:02 <Lassiter> Raven: Yes they are
May 22 14:12:09 <Rowdy> MrMaryLou.. feel free to tell the evils of that without notification
May 22 14:12:14 <Lassiter> Or they will be when they get made LOL
May 22 14:12:16 <Raven> do you have the 2257 covered?
May 22 14:12:16 <MrMaryLou> in 12 hours of work yesterday I deleted over 300 sites and Banned over 130 domains :(
May 22 14:12:17 <tia> is there a feed with this chat today 
May 22 14:12:18 <Frank> LOL
May 22 14:12:25 <Lassiter> Raven: Yep
May 22 14:12:31 <Frank> no tia, no audio
May 22 14:12:34 <Pyretta_Blaze> whoa.that's a lot of site, MrMaryLou
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May 22 14:12:41 <Rowdy> Hiya TEv
May 22 14:12:41 <tia> I know you've been talking about doing that Frank
May 22 14:12:46 <tia> hi Tev!!!
May 22 14:12:47 <Frank> Hi Tev!
May 22 14:12:49 <Raven> ibill has tangible product shopping carts, lassiter
May 22 14:12:54 <Tev> Hiya Rowdy!
May 22 14:12:59 <Tev> Heyas Tia :)
May 22 14:13:05 <Pyretta_Blaze> hi Tev
May 22 14:13:07 <Raven> so, you create an ibill account with a shopping cart.....
May 22 14:13:08 <Lassiter> Raven: I know...I found this clause in the ToS while filling out the setup
May 22 14:13:08 <Tev> Howdy Frank !
May 22 14:13:21 <Tev> Hi Pyretta_Blaze
May 22 14:13:21 <Raven> and you link it on the inside of your site..you are then within terms of service
May 22 14:13:22 <MrMaryLou> The moral to the story dont go back to change your site to bend the rules :)
May 22 14:13:27 <Raven> hiya, honey
May 22 14:13:31 <Tev> Hi everyone, sorry I was late
May 22 14:13:31 <Lassiter> Hi Tev
May 22 14:13:39 <WillyB> hello Tev :)
May 22 14:13:41 <Tev> Hi baby love
May 22 14:13:46 <Raven> :-)
May 22 14:13:46 <Crawdad> looking spiffy today tev!
May 22 14:13:48 <Tev> Hey Lassiter
May 22 14:13:54 <Tev> Willlyyybbb!!
May 22 14:14:08 <MrMaryLou> There is nothing better than the smell of a freshly banned domain
May 22 14:14:10 <Tev> You to Crawdad mighty spiffy indeed!
May 22 14:14:11 <Raven> otherwise, everyone is breaking tos...by upselling on their sites...
May 22 14:14:14 <Lassiter> MrMaryLou: Yeah, there's enough warning about that I find it odd that folks would do it at all
May 22 14:14:15 <Raven> lol, mr.m
May 22 14:14:15 <Rowdy> I agree MrMaryLou ... it's not worth the trouble it can cause to do "unaproved changes"
May 22 14:14:16 <WillyB> lol MrMaryLou
May 22 14:14:19 <Crawdad> :)
May 22 14:14:26 <Tev> lol MrM
May 22 14:14:27 * Pyretta_Blaze sits back to attempt to learn about this business...got the domain, got the hosting, need the content (or more than I already have), and need to learn how to advertise the site without spending a lot of cash, since I'm a broke college dtudent.
May 22 14:14:53 <tia> well you've come to the right place Pyretta_Blaze.. have you been to the board yet?
May 22 14:14:57 <Lassiter> Raven: Well, now I wonder if I should even ask my iBill contact at all or just go ahead and do it
May 22 14:14:58 <Rowdy> OK.. are we ready to start the topic chat today?
May 22 14:14:59 <Pyretta_Blaze> *kicks my typist*
May 22 14:14:59 <MrMaryLou> you bet I guy just lost 75 listings over 1 site
May 22 14:15:03 <Go4LiveCash_JP> hi guys
May 22 14:15:11 <plc> Well Mr.MLI took you off all of mine..!....:)
May 22 14:15:17 <Raven> lassiter...i don't think you're going against tos if you do it the way i suggested.....
May 22 14:15:18 <Tev> Heck yeah!
May 22 14:15:20 <Pyretta_Blaze> tia> yes, and there's some nifty stuff there, still haven't read all of it. :o)
May 22 14:15:31 <Raven> otherwise, how do people upsell viagra and pharmaceuticals from the insides of their sites
May 22 14:15:33 <Lassiter> Raven: OK, duly noted. Thanks!
May 22 14:15:37 <Raven> and all of the other upsells
May 22 14:15:41 <Raven> you're welcome
May 22 14:15:43 <tia> yep, it's the complete "how to" of the adult biz :)
May 22 14:15:45 <WillyB> \!/ Welcome to The Wednesday Newbie Chat - Todays Topic: The Basics of Traffic \!/
May 22 14:15:56 <Lassiter> Raven: I guess iBill looks the other way unless theres a complaint
May 22 14:15:58 <Pyretta_Blaze> :o)
May 22 14:16:06 * Pyretta_Blaze grabs my soda and listens intently
May 22 14:16:35 <plc> well WillyB..if you get yourself linked to a place and they just ignore you after that it doesn't bode good for any traffic..what you say?
May 22 14:16:36 <Rowdy> Alright, who thinks they know the first most basic rule of traffic?
May 22 14:16:42 <Ladyj> let's read about the basics of traffic,,very interested :)
May 22 14:16:53 <WillyB> no, not yours!
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May 22 14:17:22 * tia would say .. target your traffic
May 22 14:17:24 <WillyB> you would need to tweek your site to get them to accept it.. maybe email asking why.. if you are really wanting to get linked there
May 22 14:17:35 <Rowdy> tia... close
May 22 14:17:43 <WillyB> if not plc.. then there are a lot of other links lists out there
May 22 14:17:55 <plc> nope they already linked, but then zilch, the option is nowback with me,,,so I remove them..:)
May 22 14:18:05 <Tev> Always make whatever traffic you get productive whether in sign-ups or in more traffic
May 22 14:18:08 * Pyretta_Blaze gotta get some traffic in the first place!
May 22 14:18:15 <WillyB> ah.. that's not good plc
May 22 14:18:21 <WillyB> good choice :)
May 22 14:18:26 <Ladyj> so ho0w does one get traffic,,I mean decent traffic?
May 22 14:18:33 <Tev> I heard that from a very smart guy I met in Chicago :)
May 22 14:18:37 <Rowdy> Tev.. another close one :)
May 22 14:18:38 <plc> I agree WillyB,but emails get ignored, so what do you do?
May 22 14:18:58 <Rowdy> ACtually that's rule two Tev :)
May 22 14:19:00 <WillyB> dont submit there any more plc.. I would not do it
May 22 14:19:01 <Rowdy> lol
May 22 14:19:04 <Raven> even if you use traffic to create more traffic, never waste a click
May 22 14:19:13 <MrMaryLou> plc what problems are you having
May 22 14:19:13 <Raven> i learned that from a smart guy in chicago
May 22 14:19:21 <Rowdy> ok Raven... that's rule 2A ... hahahaha
May 22 14:19:27 <Raven> ROFL
May 22 14:19:30 <Rowdy> first rule of traffic .....
May 22 14:19:34 <Rowdy> Traffic isn't worth spit unless you KNOW what to do with it and HOW to use it :)
May 22 14:19:41 <plc> that's my feelings too WillyB...in the comments boxes I now put..if you link with me I expect traffic, if I don't get any..you come off my sites
May 22 14:19:46 <WillyB> but remember that some.. like GreenGuy for instance.. will drop your link after 6 months (I think it is) if the page has not been modified.
May 22 14:20:04 <Frank> EXACTLY, you can get 10,000 hits and NO sales if you don't know what to do with it and how to sell.
May 22 14:20:10 <plc> mine are modified monthly..:)
May 22 14:20:23 <WillyB> some are just traffic thieves too plc
May 22 14:20:28 <tia> this is where filtering your traffic comes in I'll bet
May 22 14:20:33 <Ladyj> ok hgow does one even get to the 1000 hits?
May 22 14:20:48 <Pyretta_Blaze> :o( i have yet toget 100 hits, how does that happen??
May 22 14:20:51 <Rowdy> Second rule is that EVERY click has value! Be it money or traffic ... it should get you something if at all possible
May 22 14:21:04 <Midnight> Can you make a living off of gallery submissions to tgp?It seems to be the easiest way to get traffic, but I can never seem to convert it.
May 22 14:21:04 <Pyretta_Blaze> *grumbles* BRB, someone needs me....
May 22 14:21:23 <Frank> Ladyj, that would be a different phase, doesn't matter 100 or 1,000 you can make to same money with 100 if you can sell.
May 22 14:21:29 <MrMaryLou> 1. TGP = Super bowl comercial 2. Free Site 30 second spot 3. Avs = Infomercial
May 22 14:21:31 <Tev> Have 10 sites that get 100 hits, or 100 sites that get 10 hits LAdyj
May 22 14:21:37 <Rowdy> A decent (taht's as far as I'll go) article concerning basic trafficis here http://adultnetsurprise.com/learningzone/trafficandyoursite.html
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May 22 14:21:51 <Tupac> werd
May 22 14:21:51 <Crawdad> midnight, tgp galleries are what i do the most of, yes, you can make a living, but in my opinion it's one of the trickiest sides of this biz
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May 22 14:22:17 <Rowdy> The comparrison MrMaryLou gives is a great one!
May 22 14:22:17 <Tev> Venturi!
May 22 14:22:18 <Raven> VENTURI!!!
May 22 14:22:22 <Midnight> I can get the numbers, can get listed, but can never seem to convert it
May 22 14:22:22 <Rowdy> hi venturi
May 22 14:22:27 <Midnight> Venturi, holy cow
May 22 14:22:28 <WillyB> hello venturi!!!
May 22 14:22:32 <Midnight> hey there
May 22 14:22:34 <MrMaryLou> As a great american said a few days ago Knowlege is KING!!
May 22 14:22:40 <ross0> hey tupac, how ya been brotha!
May 22 14:22:41 <tia> hiya venturi!!!
May 22 14:22:41 <Frank> Midnight, there is alot of traffic in tgp, it's all a big number and law of averages game. You will always LOOSE if you don't know how to sell and use the traffic.
May 22 14:22:42 <Rowdy> :)
May 22 14:22:46 <venturi> hiya folks!
May 22 14:22:51 <venturi> lol Midnight
May 22 14:22:52 <Crawdad> for sure frank
May 22 14:22:59 * Midnight smiles at venturi
May 22 14:22:59 <Frank> Hi venturi
May 22 14:23:08 <ross0> hey venturi
May 22 14:23:09 <plc> hi venturi
May 22 14:23:12 <Rowdy> That's my point though Midnight... you need to know what to do with it before you get it or get it any massive numbers
May 22 14:23:29 <Midnight> I concur Rowdy, I am all ears.
May 22 14:23:46 <Midnight> I have been doing adult websites for two years, and here I am, sitting in class all ears.
May 22 14:24:07 <Frank> I hope everyone saw MrMaryLous analogy of the difference in pages and sites and the time you have to sell a surfer. It's a good one.
May 22 14:24:08 <Raven> midnight, i've been doing this for four years and i will continually sit in class, all ears
May 22 14:24:23 <MrMaryLou> Ok folks heres one for ya define shit traffic
May 22 14:24:26 <Frank> I'm a newbie everyday Midnight
May 22 14:24:30 <Midnight> the minute I think I know something, I know I am dead, lol
May 22 14:24:33 <Midnight> just ask my wife
May 22 14:24:45 <Rowdy> There's the tough part... we can all give folks our thoughts on basics but the standard rule of success is... anyone can have success sometimes even in something that shouldn't/wouldn't work for someone else. This requires some experimentation on the indiviudal's part
May 22 14:24:46 <Ladyj> trafffic that just comnes to a site for the images
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May 22 14:25:02 <Frank> Shit traffic is traffic that you made shit because YOU couldn't do anything with it,LOL
May 22 14:25:02 <Raven> hi, diedre
May 22 14:25:02 <MrMaryLou> there is no shit traffic its what ya do with it
May 22 14:25:10 <plc> she related to mine Midnight..?..:)
May 22 14:25:12 <Raven> amen, mr. m
May 22 14:25:14 <tia> so right Frank
May 22 14:25:18 <MrMaryLou> that makes it shit
May 22 14:25:19 <Tupac> shit traffic - ppl who are looking for shit pics
May 22 14:25:19 <Tev> Hi Diedre
May 22 14:25:24 <venturi> hear, hear, MrMaryLou
May 22 14:25:28 <plc> Hi deidre
May 22 14:25:38 <venturi> and I turn my traffic to shit everyday! lol
May 22 14:25:40 <Deidre> Hi, everybody!
May 22 14:25:41 <Tev> Amen Brother MrMaryLou
May 22 14:25:43 <Rowdy> MrMaryLou... the very experienced web surfer could in certain cases be shit traffic.... but that's about it and even then... limited :)
May 22 14:25:44 <Frank> isn't that that nasty niche from Europe?lol
May 22 14:25:53 <Boodrow> ok, are we talking shit or skat?
May 22 14:25:59 <Tupac> lol
May 22 14:26:03 <Tev> lol
May 22 14:26:06 <venturi> Tevinator! didn't see ya buddy! And Raven too! WooHoo
May 22 14:26:15 <Raven> :-), V
May 22 14:26:27 <MrMaryLou> and we knwo what to do with them Rowdy LOL
May 22 14:26:39 <Deidre> Hey, MrMaryLou - where's my email ????
May 22 14:26:42 <Tev> Howdy :-)
May 22 14:26:54 <Rowdy> If ya want to talk about shit... answer me where the idea that someone that cannot sell anything is going to succed while paying the bandwidth bills for a 100k in surfers each day :)
May 22 14:27:00 <MrMaryLou> wich one I got a long list I am working on
May 22 14:27:03 <venturi> at the very least, one should be able to make $0.04 off even the most savy of surfers. :)
May 22 14:27:21 <Rowdy> true MrMaryLou :)
May 22 14:27:26 <Deidre> from Atlanta! - and you don't remember me - sob sob!
May 22 14:27:53 <MrMaryLou> I remeber you the sites listed at greenies
May 22 14:28:10 <Deidre> yep - that's me! -
May 22 14:28:13 <plc> not any more theyaren't MrMaryLou
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May 22 14:28:32 <Rowdy> Selling to a porn surfer .... let's be realistic.. if any one person really knew a rock solid answer to this none of us would ever stand a chance :)
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May 22 14:28:35 <MrMaryLou> why not
May 22 14:28:46 <Tev> HI sexguy
May 22 14:28:48 <Tupac> its just a numbers game
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May 22 14:28:54 <Tupac> you dont need to know secrets
May 22 14:28:56 <MrMaryLou> plc what sits
May 22 14:28:57 <Tev> Hell yeah Rowdy, I hear ya there
May 22 14:29:00 <MrMaryLou> sites even
May 22 14:29:12 <plc> ours Mr MaryLou...I tok the link down
May 22 14:29:21 <plc> took..:)
May 22 14:29:30 <Rowdy> there will be highs... there will be lows.. averages are the numbers that each of us needs to focus on.... and even then.. remember, it's only a general idea as things can change in a heartbeat
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May 22 14:29:39 <MrMaryLou> well thats why the linkbot would remove them
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May 22 14:29:42 <spookyx> woohoo
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May 22 14:29:49 <plc> bollocks
May 22 14:29:49 <ben0> spooks
May 22 14:29:50 <Frank> My phylosophy is that EVERY surfer is a non-buying surfer. WE as salesmen have to turn that around when they hit our sites. Doesn't matter if it's free sites, AVS, tgp, whatever. All traffic is non-buying traffic in my opinion when they first hit the site. I think everyone just comes looking for the free stuff.
May 22 14:30:03 <Raven> hiya, spooky
May 22 14:30:06 <ben0> dead right frank
May 22 14:30:12 <Tev> hey spookyx
May 22 14:30:15 <ben0> people want free anything
May 22 14:30:19 <venturi> damned good point Frank
May 22 14:30:19 <spookyx> hi ben, raven, tev and all
May 22 14:30:26 <ben0> wb dude
May 22 14:30:32 <ross0> hey spookyx
May 22 14:30:35 <MrMaryLou> How many here go shopping and see all the stuff at the check out cum, candy ect...
May 22 14:30:44 <spookyx> power went out...idiot workman in the condo 
May 22 14:30:46 <tia> well Buzzard is home, and I need to pay some attention to him, nice to see y'all here :))))
May 22 14:30:47 <plc> don't you think we give out way too much free stuff ben0?
May 22 14:30:47 <ben0> lol
May 22 14:30:49 <Ladyj> so the only way to make it is to become a salesperson
May 22 14:30:50 <spookyx> hey ross0
May 22 14:30:53 <ben0> cum at the check out?
May 22 14:30:54 <Raven> i do, i do, mr. m
May 22 14:30:57 <Tev> Bye Tia!
May 22 14:31:01 <ben0> what sort of supermarkets you at?
May 22 14:31:03 <Raven> yes, ladyj...that's a big part of it
May 22 14:31:11 <Raven> this is all sales and marketing and manipulation
May 22 14:31:11 <spookyx> i do not give out to muchi do stick porn
May 22 14:31:12 <Tev> You see cum at the checkout?Sorry couldn't resist
May 22 14:31:14 <tia> I'm gonna lurk and read later :)
May 22 14:31:20 <Raven> lol, tev
May 22 14:31:24 <ben0> me ither tev lol
May 22 14:31:29 <Pyretta_Blaze> §©§§©§§©§§©§§©§§©§
May 22 14:31:29 <venturi> take care tia, give buzz a hug for us. :)
May 22 14:31:29 <Pyretta_Blaze> §©§ ok Im back §©§
May 22 14:31:30 <Pyretta_Blaze> §©§§©§§©§§©§§©§
May 22 14:31:30 <Frank> Become a sales person Ladyj???? That is EXACTLY what we are. Being a webmaster is just a process.
May 22 14:31:35 <MrMaryLou> well thats what you do with the traffic thats a hard sell
May 22 14:31:39 <ben0> hmmm
May 22 14:31:46 <ben0> ladyj:yes
May 22 14:31:54 <Tev> That's what all this is about Ladyj
May 22 14:31:55 <Frank> Good point MrMaryLou
May 22 14:31:58 <ben0> we are in the sales business
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May 22 14:32:04 <MrMaryLou> gettem going use 1 link on your sites to send them to a page with lots of goodies
May 22 14:32:07 <ben0> is trying to make slaes :/
May 22 14:32:08 <Rowdy> Now... selling... it's rather easy to sell high quality porn if you're only giving away pathertic looking pics... but unfortunatly many of us do not have our "own" traffic so the freebies must be better than that. In those cases, you have to remember to make your sponsors always look better than your site or it's content!! All to often folks thing sending a click to the sponsor is the end of their job. That is really only true if you have sent a targetted c
May 22 14:32:21 <Frank> yup, we ARE sales people, webmastering is just the process.
May 22 14:32:23 <Ladyj> I knew itjsut never actaully let it sink in :(
May 22 14:32:44 * Pyretta_Blaze wonders what I missed, pouting
May 22 14:33:06 <ben0> poting suc
May 22 14:33:08 <ben0> ks
May 22 14:33:15 <Deidre> MrMaryLou, what's your email addy??
May 22 14:33:20 <Tev> So in other words you are saying to SELL the sponsor before sending the click Rowdy?
May 22 14:33:24 <venturi> I swore for years I'd never get into "marketing". LOL, look at me now. 
May 22 14:33:26 <MrMaryLou> Its not like it was a few years ago when you would put up clikc here for more free porn ya gotta strokem a bit an dont ever lie to the surfers sell them 
May 22 14:33:35 <ben0> pre qualifying :)
May 22 14:33:46 <MrMaryLou> webmaster@maryloubbw.com
May 22 14:34:06 <Rowdy> yes Tev :)
May 22 14:34:50 <Ladyj> so text would be the most important part of site
May 22 14:34:51 <Frank> Good point Rowdy, I break it down as HOT traffic or COLD traffic.
May 22 14:35:10 <Deidre> thanks MML
May 22 14:35:11 <Pyretta_Blaze> I'm sorry I missed so much, would it be okay for me to ask a question about something that I missed?
May 22 14:35:12 <Raven> text is extremely important, ladyj......it's your communication..your sales pitch to your surfer
May 22 14:35:14 <Tev> That's a good analogy Frank
May 22 14:35:18 <Frank> Many that have bad ratios don't realize it's there fault and not the sponsor.
May 22 14:35:29 <venturi> I would bet Mishi's left breast that 99% of clickthrus that convert are because the surfer is already SOLD before they click that link on your site. :)
May 22 14:35:38 <MrMaryLou> Text is most important the idea is sell them before the conten
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May 22 14:35:49 <Tev> Wooohoo, I get Mishi's left breast!
May 22 14:35:55 <Raven> text is queen..if knowledge is king
May 22 14:35:56 <venturi> rofl
May 22 14:36:00 <MrMaryLou> Amen Frank
May 22 14:36:03 <Rowdy> Pyretta_Blaze?
May 22 14:36:05 <Raven> and what would you do with it, tev
May 22 14:36:13 <Tev> Right on Frank!
May 22 14:36:13 <Frank> I can send semi-blind cold traffic off my entrance page all day long. but it won't convert as well as traffic that I have gotten horny and ready to buy.
May 22 14:36:34 <Pyretta_Blaze> Thanks Rowdy.I missed the beginning of the chat, sorry, how does one even begin to get traffic to a site?
May 22 14:36:38 <Tev> Ummmm, make a site around it?
May 22 14:36:42 <ben0> plc:delayed answer lol - yes i do!
May 22 14:36:45 <venturi> look at Frank, all up on the podium and preaching to the choir! :-)))
May 22 14:36:50 <MrMaryLou> the old next gallery blind link just dont cut it folks
May 22 14:36:53 <Frank> LOL
May 22 14:36:55 <Rowdy> Pyretta_Blaze - start by reading this http://adultnetsurprise.com/learningzone/trafficandyoursite.html
May 22 14:37:04 <Pyretta_Blaze> okies. *snag*
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May 22 14:37:14 <spookyx> brb
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May 22 14:37:21 <Frank> welcome PirchGuest
May 22 14:37:27 <Raven> hi, pirchguest
May 22 14:37:29 <ben0> are you on mirc pyretta?
May 22 14:37:35 <Rowdy> Then.. when your site is ready, check out the mirroring project in the newbie zone... then hit thelinksmachine.com and you'll be good to go with traffic coming in :)
May 22 14:37:36 <MrMaryLou> For all those who have a AWE book read pages 2 to 47 and live by them
May 22 14:37:36 <PirchGuest2> ?me grins wide
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May 22 14:37:40 <PirchGuest2> oops 
May 22 14:37:40 <Pyretta_Blaze> I'm on pIRCh
May 22 14:37:44 <ben0> k
May 22 14:37:49 <ben0> no pronbs
May 22 14:37:51 <Tev> Hi PirchGuest2
May 22 14:37:58 <MrMaryLou> The book is worth millions
May 22 14:37:58 <Tev> re Spooky
May 22 14:38:09 <HippyDude>Adult Webmaster Events: Network with other webmasters and companies in your area, Learn how to make more from your web business! Make More Money!! http://www.adult-webmaster-events.com/
May 22 14:38:11 <Pyretta_Blaze> thanks bunches Rowdy
May 22 14:38:18 <Rowdy> :)
May 22 14:38:24 <spookyx> re's
May 22 14:38:29 <ross0> wb spooky
May 22 14:38:49 <Rowdy> THE AWE show in Chicago was filled with great info :)
May 22 14:39:05 <Frank> yea, the AWE was a blast!!!
May 22 14:39:08 <Raven> my head is still spinning, rowdy
May 22 14:39:16 <Raven> i learned so much
May 22 14:39:20 <spookyx> rowdy...
May 22 14:39:21 <Rowdy> lol Raven .. can relate
May 22 14:39:24 <Tev> Hell yeah, it was an outstanding show!
May 22 14:39:28 <Rowdy> hi spookyx
May 22 14:39:49 <Frank> It feels good to see some newbies following up as well. Have seen a few on the boards.
May 22 14:39:50 <spookyx> can i have your home phone to give yo mike100when comes in
May 22 14:39:53 <spookyx> ;-)
May 22 14:40:01 <Rowdy> Many questions about selling and traffic can be located here http://adultnetsurprise.com/learningzone/
May 22 14:40:03 <spookyx> yo = to
May 22 14:40:21 <Rowdy> no thanks :)
May 22 14:40:24 <spookyx> hehe
May 22 14:40:28 <ben0> lol
May 22 14:40:44 <WillyB> lol
May 22 14:40:44 <MrMaryLou> Newbie, Oldies ya need to go to one of these AWEs you wont be sorry
May 22 14:40:59 <Crawdad> I plan on going to the LA awe
May 22 14:41:03 <WillyB> I would recommend it to everyone as well MrMaryLou
May 22 14:41:03 <spookyx> they need to have an AWE in austin tx
May 22 14:41:23 <Rowdy> the reason to read through the articles there is because they do not give you clear cut answers but yet a great general idea on issues that then allow you as an individual to design something that can be quite unique
May 22 14:41:23 <Boodrow> WOrkin on it.. give us some time :)
May 22 14:41:24 <spookyx> but i am going to go to seattle for the next one
May 22 14:41:51 <ross0> mee to spookyx
May 22 14:41:52 <plc> they are very good Frank
May 22 14:42:01 <ross0> Woop!
May 22 14:42:04 <Raven> good for you, crawdad and spooky..you'll be glad you went
May 22 14:42:06 <Pyretta_Blaze> If they held an AWE in Nashville the conservatives and high an mighty old farts would have conniptions fits
May 22 14:42:26 <Raven> pyretta..they held one in atlanta....
May 22 14:42:30 <MrMaryLou> If you are new in this biz you cant afford to miss and AWE
May 22 14:42:34 <Raven> and that's the deep south, sort of
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May 22 14:43:02 <Frank> Pyretta, then let them have it,LOL, they can't stop us.
May 22 14:43:03 * venturi hopes and prays we can make the LA AWE
May 22 14:43:04 <spookyx> atlanta is not the "normal" south,I used to live there;-)
May 22 14:43:11 <Raven> true
May 22 14:43:15 <Crawdad> cya there venturi
May 22 14:43:25 <ross0> Porn Militia, Frank!LOL
May 22 14:43:28 <Pyretta_Blaze> There's a much bigger market for it in Atlanta, though.I've noticed that in TN, there's a long line of stuffe shirts that make it almost impossible to hold an intelligent conversation about biology, much less a full scale AWE
May 22 14:43:50 <Pyretta_Blaze> lmao Frank
May 22 14:44:02 <Frank> you don't wanna come to AR though, hell, you can't even buy a Playboy here in my town, haha
May 22 14:44:07 <Tev> LOL Frank
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May 22 14:44:10 <MrMaryLou> Last year I spent my last dime to go the Chicago AWE and I tell ya my last dime ! It made me a better webmaster and was well worth it
May 22 14:44:15 <Crawdad> lol frank
May 22 14:44:24 <venturi> :-) Crawdad: I'll be the ugly long hair with the hot brunette. lol
May 22 14:44:42 <WillyB> lol venturi
May 22 14:44:44 <Crawdad> internext was like that for me Mr Marylou
May 22 14:44:46 <Pyretta_Blaze> Atlanta, someone says BDSM, everybody's all over it in a positive manner.you say BDSM in TN, folks either give you the full out "whassat" look or they lock their doors and hide the cats.
May 22 14:44:49 <Crawdad> and very valuable
May 22 14:44:49 <Rowdy> "ugly long hair with the hot brunette" ... roflmao :)
May 22 14:44:52 <Boodrow> I'll be the hot brunette with the ugly longhair
May 22 14:44:57 <Crawdad> lol venturi
May 22 14:45:01 <venturi> lol
May 22 14:45:02 <ben0> [04:10] <WillyB> Click here or be Attacked Viciously!
May 22 14:45:04 <Tev> I don't think I'm gonna make the LA show Venturi.. oh were you talking about Mishi?
May 22 14:45:05 * Pyretta_Blaze is just the cute redhead on the side
May 22 14:45:23 <ben0> lol
May 22 14:45:31 <ben0> willybs got the idea
May 22 14:45:49 <venturi> yes Tev. :)
May 22 14:46:02 <ben0> hmmmm
May 22 14:46:13 <ben0> fuck yas then 
May 22 14:46:16 <Raven> the atlanta awe last year is what changed our lives
May 22 14:46:23 <MrMaryLou> Guys like Frank, WillyB and Rowdy dont grow on trees, can you imagine sitting down with them and talking biz !!! Totally great stuff
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May 22 14:46:50 <ben0> pffft
May 22 14:46:53 <ben0> i own them
May 22 14:46:58 <ross0> ?
May 22 14:47:00 <Tev> Hi midnight
May 22 14:47:01 <spookyx> hey rowdy,do you think they are going to make a few more nichesfor the "riskymail" program?
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May 22 14:47:03 <Raven> and, you too, mr. m
May 22 14:47:05 <Pyretta_Blaze> o.0
May 22 14:47:05 <Rowdy> MrMaryLou.. is was quite an honor to get to talk with yourself as well! :)))
May 22 14:47:07 <Midnight> Hey peeps
May 22 14:47:08 <venturi> MrMaryLou is testifying my brethren! Can you say AMEN?!
May 22 14:47:15 <MrMaryLou> AMen
May 22 14:47:18 <Raven> AMEN
May 22 14:47:22 <MrMaryLou> I feel the power
May 22 14:47:24 <Tev> AMEN
May 22 14:47:24 <Pyretta_Blaze> HALLELUJAH
May 22 14:47:26 <Pyretta_Blaze> there
May 22 14:47:27 <Crawdad> lol
May 22 14:47:30 <Pyretta_Blaze> that work?
May 22 14:47:32 <Frank> ahhhh, thanks MrMaryLou, it was outstanding to meet all of you. Everyone knows so much and has so much knowledge. It blows me away.
May 22 14:47:39 <Rowdy> not sure spookyx
May 22 14:47:40 <Pyretta_Blaze> :o)
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May 22 14:47:49 <spookyx> would be nice:)
May 22 14:48:11 <Rowdy> I'll let ya know if I hear anything
May 22 14:48:11 <Tev> LOL, seriously, we met Rowdy for the first time at this AWE, he's extremely smart and one hell of a guy, it was great to sit and just talk with him
May 22 14:48:12 <MrMaryLou> Rowdy the honor was all mine to be on a pannel with you :)
May 22 14:48:31 <Raven> and because it was the AWE, we got to talk to rowdy for free
May 22 14:48:38 <Frank> welcome Kandi
May 22 14:48:39 <Raven> and others as smart as him
May 22 14:48:42 <Rowdy> thanks Tev and MrMaryLou
May 22 14:48:48 <Rowdy> lol Raven
May 22 14:48:55 <plc> Hey Rowdy...didn't know you charged..hehehe must be a good sideline.:)
May 22 14:49:01 <Rowdy> I'm not worth payin for....lol
May 22 14:49:06 <WillyB> MrMaryLou: I listened to you closely dude.. you know what you are talking about and I learned quite a bit during the 2 days in Chicago
May 22 14:49:08 <Crawdad> i gotta split, cya'll later, great chat!
May 22 14:49:09 <Pyretta_Blaze> i wish that I could stay longer, but I have some things to do before 4.thank you all for letting me ask questions, I know I'm such an annoying newbie, but I appreciate it.
May 22 14:49:16 <venturi> take care Crawdad
May 22 14:49:16 <Rowdy> later Crawdad :)
May 22 14:49:21 <plc> bye Crawdad
May 22 14:49:21 <Pyretta_Blaze> bye Crawdad
May 22 14:49:26 <WillyB> see ya Crawdad
May 22 14:49:26 <Rowdy> c'ya Pyretta_Blaze
May 22 14:49:27 <Raven> bye, crawdad, take care, hon
May 22 14:49:28 <Crawdad> bye everyone!
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May 22 14:49:34 <Raven> bye, blaze.....come back often
May 22 14:49:38 <Tev> MrMaryLou was outstanding on the panels, and also a great friend we met at an earlier AWE
May 22 14:49:39 <Pyretta_Blaze> Thanks again, and I'll be seeing you all again I hope!
May 22 14:49:41 <WillyB> see ya later Blaze :)
May 22 14:49:42 <Tev> By Crawdad
May 22 14:49:43 <plc> bye P-B
May 22 14:49:44 <Pyretta_Blaze> :o)
May 22 14:49:48 <venturi> don't be a stranger Pyretta_Blaze
May 22 14:49:49 <Tev> bye Blaze
May 22 14:49:50 <Pyretta_Blaze> ~blows kisses all around~
May 22 14:49:52 <Frank> And we all were honored to have Raven and Tev there as well. You don't get to have 1 on 1's with these fine folks very often. People are missing out on so much if they miss events.
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May 22 14:49:55 <WillyB> we're open 24/7
May 22 14:50:01 <ben0> hmmmmmm
May 22 14:50:09 <ben0> am i being ignored?
May 22 14:50:12 <ross0> hhhooooohhh
May 22 14:50:13 <Raven> well, thank you, frank :-)\
May 22 14:50:17 <ben0> i give lots of my time here
May 22 14:50:20 <Tev> of course ben0
May 22 14:50:23 <MrMaryLou> The whole point I am trying to put accross is these guys know what they are talking about they help 24/7 at ANS weather it be on the boards or the chat here they are here for all
May 22 14:50:24 <ross0> lo
May 22 14:50:25 <Tev> lol
May 22 14:50:28 <ross0> lol
May 22 14:50:29 <ben0> fuck yopu arrogant pricks
May 22 14:50:31 <Rowdy> the overall amount of information and quality of the perople with that information makes the AWE shows stand out form all others IMHO :)
May 22 14:50:40 <ben0> suck my big fat pimping cock
May 22 14:50:41 <ben0> suck my big fat pimping cock
May 22 14:50:42 <Frank> I try to ignore you ben) but you keep coming back,LOL j/k
May 22 14:50:42 <ross0> LOL
May 22 14:50:48 <Tev> AMEN to that!
May 22 14:50:50 <ben0> whatever
May 22 14:50:57 <Rowdy> lol
May 22 14:51:02 <MrMaryLou> They AWE's dont end the continue here till the next one
May 22 14:51:03 <Boodrow> Hey, Rowdy, could you sum up the traffic tips so far?
May 22 14:51:12 <plc> yes please Rowdy
May 22 14:51:20 <spookyx> lolben
May 22 14:51:28 <plc> they sort of got lost in the mellee
May 22 14:51:31 <venturi> this room and the ANS boards is kinda like a 24x7x365 AWE
May 22 14:51:34 <Rowdy> http://adultnetsurprise.com/learningzone/ .. hmmm.. read.. learn... apply to your own thoughts.... how's that for basic...lol
May 22 14:51:41 <Raven> you're right, venturi
May 22 14:51:43 <Tev> LOL
May 22 14:51:48 <Raven> that's pretty basic, rowdy :-))
May 22 14:51:59 <Rowdy> Actually this chat will be available from the newbies private area link in the newbie Zone soon :)
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May 22 14:52:26 <Rowdy> wb Snikks
May 22 14:52:28 <venturi> Nipples!
May 22 14:52:30 <Tev> wb Snikks
May 22 14:52:30 <Raven> hey, snikks
May 22 14:52:30 <Frank> it starts with the surfer hitting you front door. they came there for something. remember what they came for. then take them by the hand and lead them to where they need to go.
May 22 14:52:30 <Snikks> thanks
May 22 14:52:38 <Snikks> hey ya Raven
May 22 14:52:45 <plc> thanks Frank..:)
May 22 14:52:47 <Raven> actually, frank..take them by the cock and lead them :-))
May 22 14:53:02 <venturi> but gently Raven. :-)
May 22 14:53:06 <MrMaryLou> Fat Fong say : man with traffic is king, but man who not know what to do with it is going broke!
May 22 14:53:07 <Rowdy> selling first!! then getting more to sell to... learn things in the proper order and you'll spend less and make more :)
May 22 14:53:15 <Raven> that depends, venturi...some like it rough
May 22 14:53:20 <venturi> lol
May 22 14:53:22 <Boodrow> What's the proper order?
May 22 14:53:25 <Raven> lol, mr.m
May 22 14:53:38 <Frank> LOL, that is true Raven for sure
May 22 14:53:54 <Rowdy> to learn to sell and use traffic
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May 22 14:54:12 <WillyB> hiya Snikks
May 22 14:54:14 <Boodrow> Fair enough :)
May 22 14:54:14 <WillyB> hello SirMoby
May 22 14:54:15 <plc> what's the sales secret Rowdy?
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May 22 14:54:19 <SirMoby> I'm always late
May 22 14:54:23 <Rowdy> having it without knowing how to use it is like filling up the gas tank on a car with no engine.... just ain't gonna go no place :)
May 22 14:54:23 <Raven> anyone can put up a site. you can buy millions of hits..if you can't market and don't know shit about what to do with your traffic..you'll fail
May 22 14:54:32 <venturi> Boodrow: 1st read/listen/learn and know your niche. 2nd build and submit until your blue in the face. 3rd See #2
May 22 14:54:41 <MrMaryLou> Fat Fong say : man who king, but king with out knowlege will soon be toad!
May 22 14:54:52 <Tev> Hi SirMoby!
May 22 14:54:53 <Raven> lol, mr. m
May 22 14:54:54 <Frank> As we all try to say, text is what can get into your surfers head and get them interested. I like to say "If you get into there heads there dicks and credit cards are soon to follow". lol
May 22 14:55:04 <plc> heheh
May 22 14:55:17 <venturi> Amen Frank!
May 22 14:55:20 <Rowdy> plc.. secret... everyone has their own secret.. that's the real secret... one has to find what works for them and what style ythemselves... before that.. it's all just a bunch of comparrison and experimentation
May 22 14:55:44 <WillyB> venturi: That but you also have to watch the results of what you build and see where your traffic is going.. and why it's going there
May 22 14:55:46 <Tev> That's another amen statement Rowdy
May 22 14:55:53 <SirMoby> 9 out of 10 times if it makes my dick hard I can sell it - not always though
May 22 14:56:00 <Frank> Amen Rowdy! The BIG secret is that "THERE IS NO DAMN SECRET" LOL
May 22 14:56:01 <venturi> very true WillyB
May 22 14:56:04 <Raven> hiya, sirmoby...
May 22 14:56:07 <MrMaryLou> TGP = if you dont know what end the bullet comes out the gun dont pick up the gun
May 22 14:56:09 <Rowdy> Hiya SirMoby
May 22 14:56:20 <Frank> Hi SirMoby
May 22 14:56:24 <SirMoby> Hey folks
May 22 14:56:27 <venturi> I put my "secret" on eBay and no one bid on it. :(
May 22 14:56:35 <Frank> lol
May 22 14:56:37 <Rowdy> lol MrMaryLou... hadn't heard it that way before but makes sense...lol
May 22 14:56:48 <Raven> can i use that, mr. marylou?
May 22 14:56:53 <WillyB> when you can pretty much make your traffic go where you want it to.. then it's time to start getting 100K hits
May 22 14:56:55 <Tev> LOL MrM
May 22 14:56:58 <Frank> lol MrMaryLou
May 22 14:56:59 <MrMaryLou> Secret = Comon Sence
May 22 14:57:01 <Tev> SO true also
May 22 14:57:17 <WillyB> rofl MrMaryLou!!!
May 22 14:57:58 <WillyB> tgp's can kill you
May 22 14:58:08 <venturi> We (Mishi & I) thought if we build nice looking sites the surfers & sales would come. LOL! Wow were we wrong.
May 22 14:58:08 <MrMaryLou> I too once had a free site with 500 pics and was wondering why I wasnt making money
May 22 14:58:22 <plc> well guys...got to go...work to do before bedtime..great chat Rowdyet al..:)
May 22 14:58:39 <plc> cya all soon
May 22 14:58:43 <spookyx> cya pic
May 22 14:58:44 <ross0> cya plc
May 22 14:58:47 <WillyB> That was mentioned at AWE also venturi .. pretty sites don't sell as well as 'ugly' sites
May 22 14:58:50 <Tev> bye plc
May 22 14:58:54 <Rowdy> traffic really isn't that hard to get... there are plenty of options... tgp's linklists, toplists, search engines and purchased traffic... using it is the part to master :)
May 22 14:58:56 <plc> bye all
May 22 14:58:56 <WillyB> see ya plc
May 22 14:58:59 <-- plchas left #netsurprise
May 22 14:59:00 <Frank> good point venturi, non-buyers love the pretty sites in my opinion
May 22 14:59:21 <MrMaryLou> your sites are purty frank
May 22 14:59:28 <WillyB> hehehehehe
May 22 14:59:56 <MrMaryLou> there are no ugly sites just ones that lack a sales pitch
May 22 15:00:07 <venturi> we still build "purdy" sites, but at least now we have an incling of how to do "purdy" marketing text to sell them too. LOL
May 22 15:00:09 <Frank> LOL, well, but you see "sales first" and pretty second I think MrM, lol
May 22 15:00:42 <MrMaryLou> ok some how I am hearing banjos
May 22 15:00:48 <Tev> Everything is about the sale, every step you do, or think of should have that in mind
May 22 15:00:49 <Rowdy> ugly sites are the ones that return 0's
May 22 15:00:50 <Boodrow> It's not UGLY, it's BUSY
May 22 15:00:53 <Raven> the buyer shouldn't even notice the site mechanics nearly as much as they see the sales pitch
May 22 15:01:08 <Raven> there is valuable real estate on every site...utilise it
May 22 15:01:14 <Frank> Great way to put it Raven
May 22 15:01:32 <venturi> I think there still needs to be sense of "quality" in even your TGP galleries. If the surfer doesn't think quality awaits, why would they buy?
May 22 15:01:40 <Lassiter> Boodrow: What U said! ;)
May 22 15:01:51 <Rowdy> yes.. empty is basd... if there isn't a link there... there should be something that "leads" the surfer to a link :)
May 22 15:01:56 <venturi> ACK! Raven typed "utilize"!!! I hate that word. lol
May 22 15:02:06 <MrMaryLou> short point if a surfer is looking to buy a chevy dont try to sell him a ford
May 22 15:02:07 <WillyB> hahahaha
May 22 15:02:08 <Rowdy> basd=bad ... can't type.. all is right in the world :)
May 22 15:02:09 * Raven smacks venturi
May 22 15:02:26 <Raven> no..raven typed utilise, venturi, sheesh
May 22 15:02:35 <Rowdy> I agree MrMaryLou :)
May 22 15:02:42 <MrMaryLou> target you traffic send them were they want to go
May 22 15:02:47 <WillyB> rofl Rowdy
May 22 15:02:53 <venturi> Raven, you'd hate that word too if you'd spent 6yrs listening to idiot Jarheads mis-using it. :)
May 22 15:02:59 <Boodrow> What's wrong with utilizing the robustness of your adult e-business solution and thinking out of the box in this site design paradigm?
May 22 15:02:59 <MrMaryLou> not where you want them to go by a blind link
May 22 15:03:06 <Raven> and remember..you only have a limited amount of sales pitch time..then, they are gone forever
May 22 15:03:13 <venturi> rofl Boodrow
May 22 15:03:16 <Raven> mr. marylou had the best analogy
May 22 15:03:31 <Tev> And you should utilize every second of it
May 22 15:03:38 <Frank> Exactly MrMaryLou, and if they don't like that particular Chevy then show them a different one, but it's still a Chevy, lol
May 22 15:03:39 <Rowdy> yep!
May 22 15:03:50 <Tev> That is a great analogy he uses
May 22 15:03:54 * venturi smacks Tev
May 22 15:03:55 <WillyB> definately .. and you Don't want to use it up in Loading Your site either
May 22 15:04:06 <MrMaryLou> they come for a vega sell them a vette LOL
May 22 15:04:16 <Rowdy> lol
May 22 15:04:19 <Frank> lol
May 22 15:04:28 <WillyB> or is that Evyette???
May 22 15:04:34 <Rowdy> Now that's the final touch that was missing :)
May 22 15:04:35 * Tev utilizes the force of Venturi's smack to roll into the kitchen
May 22 15:04:39 <Boodrow> Chevette
May 22 15:04:51 <MrMaryLou> god I loved vegas when I use to pump gas always good for two or there quarts of oil LOL
May 22 15:04:59 <Rowdy> haha
May 22 15:04:59 <Tev> Great statement Willyb!
May 22 15:05:15 <WillyB> :)
May 22 15:05:29 <Raven> willyb....pure genius.....most of the world is STILL on dial up..NEVER forget that
May 22 15:05:39 <WillyB> Utilise the Force Tev
May 22 15:05:53 <Frank> Raven. another good point. I see so many newbie's get so involved in building nice sites and forget the time factor. A surfer is impatient, they are looking for free shit. You generally have 10 to 30 seconds to interest them in something.
May 22 15:06:04 <MrMaryLou> The force is strong in the room
May 22 15:06:07 <Tev> Can I just utilize the lightsaber?
May 22 15:06:20 <Frank> Yes it is MrMaryLou, it's a good chat.
May 22 15:06:28 <WillyB> yes.. that is permissable Tev :)
May 22 15:06:33 <Rowdy> :)
May 22 15:06:34 <Raven> lol, honey
May 22 15:06:44 <Raven> as long as you kick willy's ass in age of empires
May 22 15:06:47 <Rowdy> rubeer ones? LOL
May 22 15:06:49 <WillyB> lol
May 22 15:06:51 <venturi> Raven, I think that is a rule of marketing in general. You basically have 30seconds to grab their attention. Miss that window and you're just burning bandwidth and wasting everyone's time.
May 22 15:06:53 <Rowdy> rubber even
May 22 15:07:15 <WillyB> I will have to put an aoe hole in my firewall one of these days
May 22 15:07:19 <Raven> that depends, venturi...you have less time with galleries....and i still say it's the 22 second rule for free sites
May 22 15:07:19 <MrMaryLou> yet I feel a rumbling in the force or is that just gas LOL
May 22 15:07:30 <Raven> what did you say, mr. m....about 7-10 seconds with tgp?
May 22 15:07:38 <MrMaryLou> yep
May 22 15:07:50 <WillyB> if it doesn't load now.. they are gonna close the window
May 22 15:07:56 <venturi> true, I over generalized. :)
May 22 15:07:58 <MrMaryLou> yep
May 22 15:07:59 <Raven> and go bye bye....
May 22 15:08:04 <Rowdy> ok.. that about wraps up the chat for today.... feel free to continue any traffic discussions over at http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/ :)
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May 22 15:08:11 <Frank> MrMaryLou, will you post your analogy once again for those that may have missed it?
May 22 15:08:18 <WillyB> probably may be a little patient.. 10 seconds.. if they are used to their slow connections.. but the faster is Always the better
May 22 15:08:25 <MrMaryLou> okies
May 22 15:08:31 <Rowdy> With any luck.. maybe we can talk MrMaryLou into being a guest in the next few weeks sometime? :)
May 22 15:08:39 <Raven> thanks, rowdy....great chat
May 22 15:08:39 <ross0> thanks Rowdy, Frank
May 22 15:08:51 <Frank> Yes, you never know Rowdy, may even be soon,LOL
May 22 15:08:53 <WillyB> good idea Rowdy :)
May 22 15:08:55 <Rowdy> We can continue to chat... just needed to add that line to close the logs :)
May 22 15:09:10 <Lassiter> I was busy with other stuff for much of this y'all.I presume it will be posted to the archives????
May 22 15:09:12 <venturi> excellent chat today, as always Frank, Rowdy, WillyB! You dudes ROCK!
May 22 15:09:16 <Raven> that would be awesome..to have mr. marylou
May 22 15:09:18 <MrMaryLou> 1 TGP is like a super bowl comercial 2. A free site is like a 30 sec spot 3. Avs = infomercial
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