May 08 14:00:26 ---WillyB has changed the topic to: The Wednesday Newbie Chat - TOPIC: HUB Sites... What Are They? How To Use Them? ~~~ Today is Wednesday, May 8, 2002~* \!/ *~Welcome To The Adult Netsurprise Chatroom! ~* \!/ *~
May 08 14:00:27 <veegee>howdy folks!
May 08 14:00:36 <Boodrow>I was planning on lurking, but now that tia's here I gotta say something :)
May 08 14:00:36 <Security_man>hiya veegee :)
May 08 14:00:43 <Frank>Actually I have some paysites in the planning myself. Yet I am currently building the structure for them. I want to start out with at least 100 sites to feed them with.
May 08 14:00:45 <veegee>first dumb question, is there audio?
May 08 14:00:51 <Chet23>what would be the problem i am facing? traffic? general lack of experience?
May 08 14:00:54 <tia>hehe Boodrow, nice to see you too!!
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May 08 14:00:57 <veegee>Security! is that really you?
May 08 14:00:58 <Frank>no veegee, no audio
May 08 14:01:04 <Frank>Hi Crawdad
May 08 14:01:07 <Chet23>hmmm.. i see.
May 08 14:01:07 <Security_man>its me - i am back :))
May 08 14:01:14 <Bobbiekey>Crawdad!
May 08 14:01:15 <Security_man>sup cdiddy
May 08 14:01:17 <Crawdad>hiya frank, security dude!
May 08 14:01:23 <veegee>cool!
May 08 14:01:28 <ross0>hey crawdad
May 08 14:01:32 <Frank>If however this chat becomes popular enough we will try to make it into more of a talk show/audio type deal.
May 08 14:01:36 <Chet23>100 eh? thats quite a many.
May 08 14:01:37 <Crawdad>howdy ross, veegee
May 08 14:01:44 <tia>that would be so cool Frank!
May 08 14:01:47 <Frank>that's gonna be all up to future participation
May 08 14:01:49 <ross0>Frank....YES
May 08 14:01:58 <Security_man>not realy chet - 100 freesites are quite easy to make
May 08 14:02:10 <Frank>well, as we all know we have good days and some chats where everything is kinda dead,lol
May 08 14:02:25 <veegee>the slow part of 100 is getting them all submitted at 1 a day
May 08 14:02:34 <WillyB>hiya Crawdad .. tia .. veegee .. and everyone I missed!
May 08 14:02:40 <Crawdad>3 months ten days veegee
May 08 14:02:41 <Security_man>thats the truth veegee!
May 08 14:02:42 <WillyB>Hello Frank :-)
May 08 14:02:42 <Frank>Takes awhile to build a structure Chet, but it's not hard. Just do 1 site a day.
May 08 14:02:43 <tia>hiya Willy :)
May 08 14:02:44 <Lassiter>That does sound like a good plan, Frank.Some of us are just more impulsive phools. LOL
May 08 14:02:49 <Frank>Hi WillyB
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May 08 14:03:03 <ross0>hey raven
May 08 14:03:07 <Security_man>hiya raven
May 08 14:03:07 <tia>hiya Raven!
May 08 14:03:07 <Frank>Hi Raven and buran
May 08 14:03:11 <Raven>wow....look at the crowd in THIS room
May 08 14:03:12 <Lassiter>Hi Raven!
May 08 14:03:14 <Raven>hiya, ross....
May 08 14:03:15 <Boodrow>That's what submitool is for, veg... DOH! Did I just make a plug?
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May 08 14:03:18 <Raven>hey, security man...:-)
May 08 14:03:19 ---HippyDude gives voice to Annieb
May 08 14:03:21 <Raven>hiya, frank..
May 08 14:03:21 <Bobbiekey>hi Raven
May 08 14:03:24 <Raven>Lassiter!!!!
May 08 14:03:33 <Raven>annieb! hugs
May 08 14:03:38 <Security_man>even with subitool you cant submit more than one a day :/
May 08 14:03:41 <Annieb>Raven!! hugs!!
May 08 14:03:44 *Lassiter lassos Raven
May 08 14:03:46 <tia>hi Annie!
May 08 14:03:50 <Annieb>hey tia
May 08 14:03:51 <Raven>hiya, tia :-)
May 08 14:03:53 <veegee>lol boodrow
May 08 14:03:55 <Chet23>what would be an example of a free site? its own url? its own search submissions and link exchanges? how much free content? how often updated??
May 08 14:03:57 *Annieb waves to everyone
May 08 14:03:59 <bong0>mÅd ¢0in
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May 08 14:04:07 <Frank>ho plc
May 08 14:04:10 *Raven say hi to the room!!!!
May 08 14:04:15 <Frank>hi plc that is,lol
May 08 14:04:17 <plc>Hi Frank...am I late?
May 08 14:04:21 *Bobbiekey :::::::::waves to Raven:::::::::
May 08 14:04:25 <ross0>hey plc
May 08 14:04:31 <Raven>hey, bobbiekey...:-))
May 08 14:04:31 <plc>Hiya ross
May 08 14:04:36 <Frank>Chet, you can put 100 sites under 1 domain if you want to in subdirectories
May 08 14:04:39 <Bobbiekey>:))
May 08 14:04:44 <Security_man>okay chet - lemme answer them in order...no, yes, 20 pics, never LOL
May 08 14:04:44 <Crawdad>hiya Raven!
May 08 14:04:54 <Annieb>Chet23 20 pics in two galleries domian.com/sub
May 08 14:04:57 <Raven>Crawdad!!! Keeper of the secret recipe :-P
May 08 14:05:09 <Frank>Chet, you don't have to update content etc...
May 08 14:05:16 <Crawdad>i gave you the final ingredient on the board
May 08 14:05:20 <Annieb>build em and forget em
May 08 14:05:22 <plc>where are we up t Frank?sorry for being late
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May 08 14:05:29 <Frank>come by the newbie board and we can help you out bud http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/
May 08 14:05:31 <Chet23>you mean like freebie pages for submission to tgps?
May 08 14:05:31 <ross0>hey spice
May 08 14:05:36 <Frank>Hi Spice
May 08 14:05:37 <Raven>ya buckled under the guilt, right, crawdad?
May 08 14:05:42 <Raven>hiya, spice
May 08 14:05:44 <Spice>Hello everyone
May 08 14:05:46 <Frank>WOW, so many showing up today
May 08 14:05:47 <Crawdad>lol
May 08 14:05:49 <tia>hey Spice
May 08 14:05:49 <Bobbiekey>so.. if you build a site... and submit to SE's.. then don't bother submitting again?
May 08 14:05:50 <Raven>:-)
May 08 14:05:52 <Chet23>cool.. i really appreciate your help!
May 08 14:05:54 <Spice>Hiya Tia
May 08 14:05:56 <Lassiter>Chet23: TGP pages are different
May 08 14:06:00 <Bobbiekey>hi Spice
May 08 14:06:11 <Security_man>yeah we are talking free sites chet
May 08 14:06:35 <Lassiter>A free site has multiple pages..more opportunity for sales.
May 08 14:06:36 <Annieb>Bobbiekey build another one
May 08 14:06:43 <Frank>Man I hope Rowdy makes it, he had to go out for a bit. This will be alot of people to keep up with. "I AM SLOW", lol
May 08 14:06:51 *ben0 waves to annie
May 08 14:07:01 <Security_man>this might help chet goto submitool.com and click "getting started" that should explain everything
May 08 14:07:04 <Chet23>i think i get it.
May 08 14:07:05 *Annieb winks at ben0
May 08 14:07:09 <plc>Not slow Frank...just careful..:)
May 08 14:07:11 <Annieb>and franky
May 08 14:07:11 <Chet23>or am starting to get it.
May 08 14:07:14 <Boodrow>I hope Rowdy makes it to... he's going to give me hell for being gone for so long
May 08 14:07:17 <Frank>Chet, you can catch more surfer etc... with 100 small sites than 1 big one also.
May 08 14:07:33 <Security_man>yup cast a wider net
May 08 14:07:36 <ross0>:)
May 08 14:07:52 <Frank>If it were raining money would you catch more using 100 small buckets or 1 large one?
May 08 14:08:01 <tia>but make sure you target your niche Chet
May 08 14:08:04 <PornJunkie>hi guys, just laid the youngens down
May 08 14:08:09 <Security_man>nice analagy frank
May 08 14:08:13 <boogie>good analogy frank :)
May 08 14:08:13 <Raven>hey, porn junkie :-)
May 08 14:08:16 <Lassiter>The metaphor I use is a radio telescope...you need this extremely wide, yet very thin, webwork to pull in the rare distant signals. ;)
May 08 14:08:20 <Raven>that IS a good analogy, frank
May 08 14:08:23 <plc>hole in my bucket Frank..:(
May 08 14:08:25 <Frank>very true tia, know your surfer and give them what they came looking for
May 08 14:08:26 <boogie>last i checked though, it IS raining money.
May 08 14:08:29 <Boodrow>give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit on his ass all day, drinking beer in a boat
May 08 14:08:38 <ross0>Lass,cool! :)
May 08 14:08:39 <Crawdad>lol boodrow
May 08 14:08:45 <Bobbiekey>well..... is it a torrential downpour? or a sprinkle?
May 08 14:08:46 <Frank>yup
May 08 14:08:54 <Lassiter>Boodrow: Give a man a fish, you've fed him for a day.Teach a man to fish and you've lost a customer LOL
May 08 14:08:55 <tia>and don't try to use every keyword in the book.. choose them wisely, and keep the list very small for each freesite
May 08 14:08:56 <veegee>lol Boodrow
May 08 14:08:56 <Boodrow>it's a gullywasher
May 08 14:09:08 <Bobbiekey>ohhhhhh!
May 08 14:09:18 <Spice>Good point Tia
May 08 14:09:25 <Boodrow>too ture, lassiter
May 08 14:09:49 <Security_man>hey whats the topic today?
May 08 14:09:49 <Boodrow>or true, even
May 08 14:10:00 <Boodrow>hub sites, dude... read your screen ;)
May 08 14:10:07 <Lassiter>;)
May 08 14:10:07 <tia>if I had time, what I'd do is build a freesite for each individual key word.. just one..
May 08 14:10:08 <Raven>LOL, boodrow
May 08 14:10:17 <Annieb>hmmm
May 08 14:10:19 <Security_man>then id have to scroll up and all that ... too much work LOL
May 08 14:10:27 <Frank>OK, today we are going to try to talk about "HUBS", if I can keep up with all of you.LOLI hope anyone needing assistance and has questions about anything else will come visit us on the newbie board. We can help you more there. http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/
May 08 14:10:30 <veegee>That's a lot of sites Tia
May 08 14:10:43 <Boodrow>well, you can build a site for bout 3 keywords... that seems to work pretty well, tia
May 08 14:10:51 <tia>yep veegee.. that's why I said "if I have time" lol
May 08 14:10:51 <ross0>tia," choose them wisely ".for the spiders?
May 08 14:11:02 <tia>yes ross
May 08 14:11:04 <ross0>k
May 08 14:11:07 <ross0>:)
May 08 14:11:25 <boogie>cfporn.com is sort of a hub, but it has about a MILLION traffic links ;) thx link trades.
May 08 14:11:32 <boogie>er, traffic leaks even =p hehe
May 08 14:11:39 <tia>sorry Frank.. didn't mean to get off topic
May 08 14:11:41 <Lassiter>I like WillyB's site maker...enter keywords, and yer first 2 keywords become the site name ;)
May 08 14:11:55 <Frank>tia, that's true, but if you get into the real popular keywords then so many factors like the popularity and such come into play.
May 08 14:11:57 <Security_man>okay - with a hub - should it be laid out like a linklist with catigories and the like or just a smattering of links to the freesites?
May 08 14:11:59 <Spice>Site Maker?
May 08 14:12:09 *Bobbiekey listens...
May 08 14:12:11 <tia>I would stay away from real popular keywords
May 08 14:12:18 <WillyB>thanks Lassiter :)
May 08 14:12:20 <Security_man>oh yeah - that site maker rocks!
May 08 14:12:31 <Boodrow>Good advice... that's what we do tia
May 08 14:12:36 <Lassiter>"Midget amputees"
May 08 14:12:37 <Frank>yup, if you wanna do sex, porn, etc... use 3 or 4 word phrases
May 08 14:12:38 <WillyB>that's one of the reasons I made it.. hehehe... I am a lazy person! rofl!
May 08 14:12:46 <ross0>Lass.i tried WillyB Generator today for the first time! :~)Cool!
May 08 14:12:53 <Frank>Spice, did you have a question?
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May 08 14:13:08 <Lassiter>Rowdy!!!
May 08 14:13:09 <Security_man>ROWDY!!!!!
May 08 14:13:09 <Rowdy>Hiya all :)
May 08 14:13:09 <Spice>Just wondering about willies site maker..
May 08 14:13:12 <ross0>hey Rowdy
May 08 14:13:12 <PornJunkie>where is the willyb generator
May 08 14:13:14 <Raven>Rowdy!!
May 08 14:13:17 <Frank>Hi Rowdy! We have a crowd today!
May 08 14:13:18 <plc>Hi Rowdy
May 08 14:13:21 <Bobbiekey>hi Rowdy:)
May 08 14:13:23 <ross0>WillyB, :~)
May 08 14:13:25 <Rowdy>good crowd at that :)
May 08 14:13:29 <WillyB>http://www.maniawaste.net/php/ssb/
May 08 14:13:30 <Security_man>its in the contributed links section of netsurprise newbie zone
May 08 14:13:34 <Spice>Hi rowdy
May 08 14:13:36 <boogie>thx willy
May 08 14:13:36 <Frank>Oh yea, WillyB made up a cool site maker
May 08 14:13:37 <WillyB>Hello Rowdy .. didn't see ya come in
May 08 14:13:43 <Rowdy>Sorry for my tardiness.. had to go visit the kids new school and get paperwork started
May 08 14:13:46 ---WillyB gives channel operator status to Rowdy
May 08 14:13:48 <Lassiter>You've saved Frank from being crushed by the crowd, Rowdy ;)
May 08 14:13:50 <Crawdad>i used the site builder yesterday willy, very kewl
May 08 14:13:52 <ross0>lol
May 08 14:14:01 <WillyB>cool Crawdad :-)
May 08 14:14:13 <Boodrow>Hiya Rowdy... guess who! ;)
May 08 14:14:20 <Frank>OK, first off does everyone know or have the comcept of what a HUB is?
May 08 14:14:21 <WillyB>I'm glad some other folks besides me are finding it helpful :))
May 08 14:14:29 <Frank>concept that is
May 08 14:14:35 <Boodrow>Go ahead and explain it Frank
May 08 14:14:39 <HippyDude> While they last !! 5000 Pic Cd's for $49.95 VERY Limited offer http://www.pixmasters.com/
May 08 14:14:40 <Lassiter>I have the basic concept, Frank, but no idea how to really do it right
May 08 14:14:50 <Rowdy>wait a mintue... Security_man and Boodrow ? Did I travel back in time or some shit? :)))
May 08 14:14:53 <WillyB>I do I think Frank .. one page .. with links to all sites you build.. right?
May 08 14:14:56 <Security_man>i think i have the concept but im not sure what the comsept is ;)
May 08 14:14:56 <Boodrow>LOL!!!
May 08 14:15:03 <plc>yes Franki think I do
May 08 14:15:06 <Security_man>lol
May 08 14:15:11 <WillyB>rofl Rowdy! I knew you'd notice that right off!
May 08 14:15:12 <WillyB>LOL
May 08 14:15:17 <Rowdy>:)
May 08 14:15:25 <Frank>The best way I like to describe it it a hub is basically a central connecting point...
May 08 14:15:25 <Raven>atlanta airport is a hub.....all planes fly to it
May 08 14:15:28 <Security_man>yeah yeah - we knew wed catch shit for our time off LOL
May 08 14:15:39 <Raven>and from it
May 08 14:15:47 <boogie>gotta go guys, be good.
May 08 14:15:50 <Raven>and connect in one form or another
May 08 14:15:51 <Frank>Picture a bicycle wheel and it's spooks
May 08 14:15:52 <Security_man>cya boogie
May 08 14:15:52 <Raven>:-)
May 08 14:15:53 Boodrow boogie May 08 14:15:56 <WillyB>see ya boogie
May 08 14:15:56 <Boodrow>Later boogie
May 08 14:16:01 <plc>it's the nucleus of your business Frank for sties that is
May 08 14:16:02 <Crawdad>later boogie
May 08 14:16:03 <Frank>spokes that is, damn I can't type
May 08 14:16:04 <Raven>so long, boogie
May 08 14:16:04 <Bobbiekey>bye boogie:)
May 08 14:16:08 <plc>sites even
May 08 14:16:08 <boogie>er
May 08 14:16:16 <Rowdy>Graphical example of a hub site -> http://www.maniawaste.net/graphics/hub_sites.html
May 08 14:16:16 <Raven>frank, you could never type...but you have great analogies
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May 08 14:16:31 <PornJunkie>do you have 1 hub per domain or do you stretch domains and pick a central point for all domains as well
May 08 14:16:38 <Frank>lol, very true Raven and it looks like I never will be able to type either,lol
May 08 14:16:39 <Security_man>okay - with a hub - should it be laid out like a linklist with catigories and the like or just a smattering of links to the freesites?
May 08 14:17:24 <ross0>do they all have to be your sites or can you have sponsors scattered around?
May 08 14:17:26 <Frank>Now, understanding that a hub is basically a central connection point it can be used for any function that you wish
May 08 14:17:37 <plc>Everything turns on the hub Security -maninto and out of it, back and forth and round and round
May 08 14:17:41 <Rowdy>PornJunkie.. personally I like a hub for each domain and the a main hub for them all.... a trap within a trap type thing :)
May 08 14:17:48 <Security_man>or is it just whatever works best?
May 08 14:17:56 <Frank>most use it to list all of there sites on, and a interconnection point
May 08 14:18:00 <Raven>it's a surfer trap, security man
May 08 14:18:15 <Boodrow>What Security is asking is should it be laid out catogorized, or should it just be links anywhere, with no order?
May 08 14:18:17 <Raven>wherever the surfer goes, they will still be on your sites
May 08 14:18:25 <PornJunkie>so, in a sense, the parent hub can be endless depending on when you stop centralizing
May 08 14:18:26 <Security_man>so popups and all the "dirty tricks" that linklists wont let you do should be on there as well?
May 08 14:18:42 <tia>on your sites, or to a sponsor
May 08 14:18:44 <PornJunkie>because you could build niche hubs as well right?
May 08 14:18:56 <plc>as long as they track back to the central hub you can do that security-man
May 08 14:18:57 <PornJunkie>if you have enough sites i guess
May 08 14:19:03 <veegee>yes pornjunkie
May 08 14:19:20 <Frank>as one build a hub, the main hub is generally fairly general, however one can make smaller "sub-hubs" to catch niche specific traffic
May 08 14:19:21 <Rowdy>Boodrow and Security_man.. lay out will differ on traffic.. but.... if it's real organized.... chances are it's easier to navigate out or see that your site isn't offereing what they want. Therefore, the cluster effect usually works best for me
May 08 14:19:28 <Lassiter>But the sponsor sites dont link back to the hub, obviously
May 08 14:19:48 <plc>indirectly they do link back
May 08 14:19:50 <tia>your main goal with freesites is to get the surfer to a sponsor
May 08 14:20:16 <PornJunkie>be good to include other domains of yours on a hub of a different domain to increase popularity
May 08 14:20:17 <Rowdy>Clue.. when doing a hub... highlight or make the text for the sponsors stand out.. while the text for your own sites should be made to look less apealing as compared to the sponsor links
May 08 14:20:23 <Lassiter>plc: well, hopefully the $$$ link back I guess ;)
May 08 14:20:26 <Frank>here's a example, you have 100 sites with 10 sites each in a category (niche) so that's 10 niches...
May 08 14:20:30 <Rowdy>I agree Frank :)
May 08 14:20:35 <Security_man>here is another one - because you have more freedom to do stuff on the hub, should the main goal of the freesites be to feed the hub, or should it be more of a final choice if they dont click a sponsor?
May 08 14:20:39 <Boodrow>So, it's a giant Bait & Switch Site :)
May 08 14:20:51 <WillyB>A HUB is also used for the SE Spiders .. which is why it should have some decent keywords in general.. or niche for a niche sub-hub
May 08 14:20:54 <Rowdy>yep Boodrow.. get that evil thinking cap on...lol
May 08 14:20:56 <Frank>Each of those niches can go to a niche "sub-hub"
May 08 14:21:26 <Lassiter>Security_man: I mainly see them used for exit traffic
May 08 14:21:31 <plc>it's a Spider's Paradise..:0
May 08 14:21:32 <Frank>each of those "sub-hubs" can be connected to the main hub which will also have all of your 100 sites plus sponsors, etc...
May 08 14:21:53 <Rowdy>Security_man .. good question....
May 08 14:21:56 <veegee>So my newest hub is too clean with only 2 popups!
May 08 14:22:03 <Security_man>thank ya rowdy :))
May 08 14:22:16 <Frank>everyone keeping up so far before I go on?
May 08 14:22:21 <plc>yep
May 08 14:22:24 <Lassiter>So far, yes
May 08 14:22:24 <Bobbiekey>yep
May 08 14:22:25 <Security_man>yup
May 08 14:22:28 <veegee>yup
May 08 14:22:36 <tia>the main job of your hub is to filter your traffic
May 08 14:22:36 <Boodrow>oh, allright...
May 08 14:22:38 <PornJunkie>question: how do you guys keep up with all your sponsors and do you ever go back and change them if they don't perform well?
May 08 14:22:40 <Raven>you're doing great, frank
May 08 14:22:48 <Frank>security_man, the goal of a free site is to sell, the hub is usually the alternative link
May 08 14:22:48 <ross0>Frank...yup
May 08 14:22:50 <Boodrow>You've GOT to
May 08 14:22:56 <Rowdy>overall I prefer the exit type traffic to the sites but there are exceptions! Such as, if you can get massive traffic to a feeder site but can't make a sale by playing the linklists rules, change the highlighted links over to your hub instead of the tame sponsor where you can then get a bit more agresive :)
May 08 14:23:05 <Raven>a sponsor that doesn't produce....means wasted traffic, porn junkie...
May 08 14:23:06 <Frank>PornJunkie...
May 08 14:23:09 <Raven>and no money
May 08 14:23:10 <Chet23>what's a good example of such a hub?
May 08 14:23:12 <Frank>I use a track sheet
May 08 14:23:16 <Security_man>i dont change them i just use new ones on new sites - with free sites i try to buildem and forget em
May 08 14:23:27 <Frank>I have a premade sheet with all my sites and the sponsors on them
May 08 14:23:41 <Rowdy>I change every so often.. when I have time.. which means it's been a few months at least...lol
May 08 14:23:46 <PornJunkie>like in excell or something?
May 08 14:23:55 <PornJunkie>or just notepad
May 08 14:24:03 <PornJunkie>blah blah
May 08 14:24:06 <plc>I use a notebook..it's quicker..:)
May 08 14:24:08 <Raven>you have to check your sponsors..if they're not making you money...then, your site is losing money for you....
May 08 14:24:14 <Security_man>i prefer blah blah myself LOL
May 08 14:24:18 <PornJunkie>hehe
May 08 14:24:23 <Frank>well, I do everything in just a web editor porn junkie but whatever works best for you. as long as you keep it updated
May 08 14:24:35 <Boodrow>I write on my wall with pig's blood, myself
May 08 14:24:40 <plc>How long do you give a sponsor to turn over and convert Frank?
May 08 14:24:40 <Frank>everytime you put up a site you'll have to update everything else as well
May 08 14:24:41 <PornJunkie>right, but how long do you test / how much traffic do you send before you say they aren't working
May 08 14:24:43 <Rowdy>PornJunkie... http://adultplaces.com/records.html there's an example for ya :)
May 08 14:25:01 <Frank>plc, that can depend on time of year. this is a slow period
May 08 14:25:04 <Rowdy>testing traffic.. personally I use the 10k mark but everyone has their own limits :)
May 08 14:25:11 <plc>thanks Frank
May 08 14:25:19 <Frank>I look at my overall yearly stats to see how well a sponsor will do
May 08 14:25:35 <Frank>then too, sometimes it may be YOU and not the sponsor
May 08 14:25:43 <Security_man>i realy like and use the statistician - it has info i wanted from day one
May 08 14:25:47 <Rowdy>exactly Frank :)
May 08 14:25:50 <plc>that indictaes you give them 12 months to prove themselves Frank..?
May 08 14:26:02 <Frank>it is OUR responsiblity to get the surfer horny a send the sponsor a surfer ready to by
May 08 14:26:09 <veegee>But Frank, then it's just not a good match, right?
May 08 14:26:10 <plc>yep
May 08 14:26:22 <tia>here is one of the best examples of a hub I've ever seenhttp://www.mobys-free-porn.com/
May 08 14:26:42 <Rowdy>Right Frank.. we are in the business of selling memberships... not just brokering traffic.. two totally different beasts there
May 08 14:27:17 <tia>Sir Moby really has it going on there
May 08 14:27:21 <Boodrow>tia, I really like that site... very clean, but busy
May 08 14:27:38 <Security_man>me too - that rocks, where is sirmoby anyway?
May 08 14:27:44 <tia>it's a perfect hub Boodrow.. all those sites.. or most of them are his.. it's a giant filter
May 08 14:27:47 <Frank>My phylosophy has always been it is OUR responsiblility to send a hot surfer and not really to sell a membership. We are selling a fantasy. The sponsor's responsiblilty is to "close" the sale.
May 08 14:28:33 <tia>he's around Security Man
May 08 14:28:41 <Frank>OK, getting back to the hubs. To me it's a 2 fold type issue...
May 08 14:28:48 <plc>ok
May 08 14:29:04 <Security_man>kewl
May 08 14:29:24 <Frank>For us the benefits are being able to use it for advertising, for the Search Engines, it a way to get alot of spidering going on.
May 08 14:29:32 <Boodrow>That's why you need to choose your sponsors well...
May 08 14:30:06 <Security_man>if you do it right you can easily turn a hub into a linklist later too, right?
May 08 14:30:15 <Rowdy>yep
May 08 14:30:19 <Frank>Remember, when a surfer leaves your site that presents use with the opportunity for advertising, every click can be a opportunity to filter and advertise from point A to B
May 08 14:30:45 <Bobbiekey>so!.. wouldn't it be to your advantage to have your feeder sites go to the hub... and the your free sites leaving the hub be dirty? ie: pop ups, pics on html pages etc?
May 08 14:30:45 <Frank>yes security_man, many link list were started that way.
May 08 14:30:50 <plc>yep, that's a bonus
May 08 14:30:54 <Boodrow>You mean, lead them by the nose and throw them where you want them to go?
May 08 14:32:03 <tia>what's wrong with this.. as soon as a surfer comes to your site, send him to a sponsor via a blur console and forget all the other trouble.. and get that traffic from the links lists and tgp's
May 08 14:32:07 <Frank>One example would be this. Say you have a amateur free site. You have a amateur sponsor on it, and you provide some type of alternative links to your hub...
May 08 14:32:10 <Rowdy>Bobbiekey.. with each click from a surfer the chances of a slae decreases to some degree... so by adding in a few extra clicks to a surfer that hasn't even had the chance to buy something yet... you decrease your ods of a sale.. so your hub should get traffic you have attempted to sell to first if at all possible
May 08 14:32:28 <Frank>you already know what your surfer is interested in....
May 08 14:33:09 <Frank>so from point A (your free site) to point B (your hub), you hit them with other alternatives related to what they are interested in
May 08 14:33:14 <Bobbiekey>ok... that makes sense..
May 08 14:33:28 <Frank>you do it both way, going to and leaving the hub
May 08 14:34:06 <Lassiter>Rowdy & Frank: So surfers yer sending *to* the hub is basically exit traffic?
May 08 14:34:10 <Frank>If they get to your hub and say leave it by clicking a foot fetish link, the be sure to hit them with a "foot fetish" full page ad....
May 08 14:34:32 <Bobbiekey>ooooo targeting:) right Frank?
May 08 14:34:33 <plc>first thing they see after leaving the hub is a FPA and the last thing they see is a FPA before they enter the hub again
May 08 14:34:46 <Lassiter>Aha
May 08 14:34:49 <Frank>Truthfully you "aren't" trying to send them to another site. "That is a illusion" you are trying to sell them something from point A to B
May 08 14:34:52 <Rowdy>Lassiter.. yes ... traffic that you haven't been able to sell to.. most the times it is purly exit although like I mentioned earlier.. there are times where that doesn't apply directly
May 08 14:35:04 *Lassiter nods
May 08 14:35:31 <Security_man>should you submit your hub to linklists?
May 08 14:35:48 <ross0>Frank,could i send non adult exit traffic to a fpa (served by me) with the an option to surf more porn pointing to the hub?
May 08 14:35:56 <Security_man>well nevermind - if youhave tricks on it they wont accept it anyway
May 08 14:36:00 <Lassiter>So does plc have a good concept?FPA's on exit with links to the hub, then FPAs upon leaving the hub with links to another of your own free sites?
May 08 14:36:07 <Rowdy>Now.. when building sites for a hub site.... always use FPA's as mentioned, exit consoles possibly and even link your large pictures to the sponsor as well (I even use sponsor content for these type sites)
May 08 14:36:14 <Frank>Also remember that from point A to B you can also even pop in blur consoles and other tricks if needed. Yet, don't go overboard. That will only turn the surfer off.
May 08 14:36:31 <Rowdy>FPA's are highly productive compared to a banner link :)
May 08 14:36:41 <Crawdad>i have fpa's that have money bars, if they play nice they get to another fpa, if they exit or try to back out then they go to the hub
May 08 14:36:50 <plc>better if you build them yourself too
May 08 14:36:54 <Rowdy>Bingo Crawdad :)
May 08 14:37:00 <Frank>Lassiter, that can work. One can cater to whatever they need
May 08 14:37:14 <Lassiter>Gotcha Crawdad
May 08 14:37:23 <Boodrow>What's a money bar?
May 08 14:37:33 <Rowdy>build some sites... straight tpo sponsors on other links and FPA's on even others... give the surfer alot.. but nothin at the same time :)
May 08 14:37:36 <Crawdad>a picture of money on each page boodrow
May 08 14:37:38 <ben0>its liek a money shot
May 08 14:37:38 <Lassiter>Yeah, I'm not sure I get the money bar idea either
May 08 14:37:39 <Frank>You also need to remember that most people still are on dial-up. So everything should be quick loading on a dial-up
May 08 14:37:39 <Crawdad>:-)
May 08 14:37:42 <ben0>but different
May 08 14:37:54 <Rowdy>money bar.. small table with sponsor links
May 08 14:37:54 <Security_man>i put a "bookmark this page" script on my fpas so that if they like it but dont want to buy right then they can bookmark it with my sponsor code and do it later - it has worked surprisingly well
May 08 14:37:56 <Boodrow>k
May 08 14:38:11 <Lassiter>Rowdy: Oh..THAT ;)
May 08 14:38:24 <ben0>people bbokmark your fpas?
May 08 14:38:25 <Frank>even if you are just starting and really have NO sites or few sites you can still start a hub and use sponsor links
May 08 14:38:28 <ben0>lol
May 08 14:38:29 <Crawdad>also put the bookmark script on your hub security
May 08 14:38:29 <Security_man>yup some do LOL
May 08 14:38:39 <Crawdad>especially if it's a sponsor hub
May 08 14:38:47 <Lassiter>Thats amazing, Security_man..I'd never have guessed
May 08 14:39:03 <Rowdy>people will bookmark what they like.. be it fpa, linklists, free site.. I've even had some bookmark my sponsor links (Don't ask me why though...lol)
May 08 14:39:10 <Security_man>actually it bookmarks the sponsor site with my code in it so i dont waste bandwitdh later LOL
May 08 14:39:33 <Lassiter>lol...clever man
May 08 14:39:35 <Security_man>the script that is
May 08 14:39:52 <Crawdad>bandwidth smandwidth, i'd much rather they keep coming back to my fpa's that exit to my hubs than directly into the sponsor
May 08 14:39:59 <Frank>Very true Rowdy, I have never had to put up the bookmark stuff. I friggin get them whether I want them or not,LOL
May 08 14:40:33 <Frank>I agree that I don't think it's the bookmark link that gets them, they either will or won't
May 08 14:40:54 <Security_man>but if they liked the sponsor enough to bookmark - they will buy from him, if they come back to my hub they will find more free porn instead IMHO
May 08 14:41:09 <Crawdad>not if it's a sponsor hub security
May 08 14:41:25 <Security_man>ah - i was thinking regular hub with freesites LOL
May 08 14:41:49 <Bobbiekey>ok...so let's see if i got this right...build some free sites, using sponsor content..they aren't listed anywhere so you can put the pics on html pages...
May 08 14:41:50 <Frank>the good thing about a hub is that it gets spidered so much that many times you can get a decent SE listing with it...
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May 08 14:42:06 <Raven>hiya, Ramster :-))))
May 08 14:42:09 <Frank>so when you build your hub be sure to optimize it for the SE's
May 08 14:42:11 <ross0>hey ramster
May 08 14:42:11 <Crawdad>my site hub is mostly for the spiders, i put a meta refresh that redirects the surfer to a sponsor hub on some of them
May 08 14:42:11 <Ramster>hello everyone!
May 08 14:42:16 <Frank>Hi Ramster
May 08 14:42:30 <plc>Hi Ramster
May 08 14:42:35 <Ramster>Hi Frank. Sound?
May 08 14:42:36 <Crawdad>howdy ramster
May 08 14:42:44 <Bobbiekey>hi Ramster :)
May 08 14:42:50 <Rowdy>Hi Ramster
May 08 14:42:50 <Security_man>no sound ramster
May 08 14:42:51 <Frank>also, the ads in between can sometimes get SE listings as well. Nothing like having a FPA get a decent SE listing.
May 08 14:43:00 <Security_man>thats the truth
May 08 14:43:09 <Rowdy>yep 100% :)
May 08 14:43:11 <Ramster>Crawdad, how's it going? plc, Bobbiekey, Raven
May 08 14:43:27 <plc>fine here Ramster..OK with you??
May 08 14:43:30 <Boodrow>Does a hub help with search engine link relativity?
May 08 14:43:41 *Lassiter 's head is spinning...didn't conceive of SE traffic on FPAs at all
May 08 14:43:41 <Frank>I had one of my hubs get a #2 Google/Yahoo listing for about a year. It was awesome, lol
May 08 14:43:47 <Rowdy>it can Boodrow
May 08 14:44:00 <Boodrow>How?
May 08 14:44:11 <PornJunkie>do you only submit your hub to the engines or do you try and setup link trades and get listed on link lists -- im figuring you would be hard pressed to get listed on link list because of rules
May 08 14:44:16 <plc>if you build enough doorways for each one it can bump up the listings a lot
May 08 14:44:22 <Frank>as I mentioned before even if you really don't have sites for a hub you can still start one...
May 08 14:44:30 <ben0>any page you make you should make for search engines lassiter
May 08 14:44:39 <HippyDude> The Graphix Zone - http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/graphixzone/index.html - Tips Hints and More!
May 08 14:44:44 <Bobbiekey>do you trade traffic with hubs?
May 08 14:44:44 <Frank>you can go pick out sponsors covering various niches...
May 08 14:44:48 <ben0>always put keywords in ya title tags
May 08 14:44:59 <ben0>and in ya text
May 08 14:45:00 <Lassiter>ben0: Well, yes, that makes sense...just didnt think about it like this before
May 08 14:45:11 <ben0>spiders find em, like em and bang - a se listing ;)
May 08 14:45:11 <Frank>then... for alternative links on your sites link those niches to the fpas and such
May 08 14:45:24 <ben0>lass: sweet ;-)
May 08 14:45:25 <Rowdy>Frank.. very true!!! one of my first hub sites was nothing more than a page that linked to every FPA that my sponsors offered :)
May 08 14:45:30 <Crawdad>bobbie you can filter traffic from one hub to another smaller, more niche specific hub
May 08 14:45:32 <Frank>yep, and link keywords in the text as well
May 08 14:45:51 <ben0>yes
May 08 14:46:06 <ben0>willyb is a crackwhore
May 08 14:46:10 <Frank>very true Crawdad, that the best way to use hubs.... filter your traffic as they click through
May 08 14:46:27 <Bobbiekey>wow..so the whole hub thing is basically a big web of yourself..
May 08 14:46:33 <ben0>yes!
May 08 14:46:36 <Lassiter>OK...what type of layouts are we talking about here?
May 08 14:46:37 <plc>yep
May 08 14:46:42 <ben0>its an empire
May 08 14:46:44 <Bobbiekey>:))
May 08 14:46:47 <ben0>of your own links
May 08 14:46:47 <Frank>YES! exactly Bobbiekey
May 08 14:46:47 <ben0>a
May 08 14:46:50 <Bobbiekey>i like that!
May 08 14:46:52 <ben0> big city
May 08 14:46:57 <Rowdy>the beginning of your own traffic trap.. that
May 08 14:47:05 <Crawdad>yep bobbie, your own little web
May 08 14:47:05 <Rowdy>'s what a hub basically is :)
May 08 14:47:12 <Lassiter>Mostly text links in tables?
May 08 14:47:18 <plc>there's no end to how big it can be either
May 08 14:47:22 <Frank>you can have as many as you want, many small hubs going to one big one, all one big web and all your sites in one way or another connected.
May 08 14:47:50 <plc>if it's big enough the Spiders stay for days..:)
May 08 14:48:00 <Bobbiekey>sincerely?
May 08 14:48:11 <plc>yes
May 08 14:48:17 <Frank>true plc
May 08 14:48:34 <Frank>actually if done right you can so to speak "trap" a spider.
May 08 14:48:46 <Crawdad>very true frank
May 08 14:48:48 <Security_man>FOREVER?
May 08 14:48:48 <plc>or two if ya get lucky..LOL:)
May 08 14:48:49 <Bobbiekey>so!.. try to use every dirty word known to mankind...
May 08 14:48:55 <veegee>does it make sense to update old sites to point to a newly built hub?
May 08 14:48:57 <Rowdy>lol
May 08 14:49:11 <Crawdad>if you don't have a single outbound link and everything is linked back to everything else
May 08 14:49:11 <Lassiter>veegee: I'd guess yes
May 08 14:49:12 <plc>yes veegee, you can do that anytime with any site
May 08 14:49:15 <ben0>u dont want to update your old sites
May 08 14:49:16 *Security_man dreams of his own pet spider
May 08 14:49:23 ---Barebratt is now known as Bbratt-store
May 08 14:49:33 <ben0>just think of the central hub link first
May 08 14:49:46 <ben0>then build like crazy and link everything back to that
May 08 14:49:56 <ben0>weRd
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May 08 14:50:15 <veegee>I asked cause I did the build like crazy thing first
May 08 14:50:21 <Rowdy>hi soulman
May 08 14:50:22 <Frank>veegee, yes, BUT... I would do it if I was already going back and updating a site. You need to always move forward and not back. Yet, for one with only a few sites it wouldn't be to much of a problem.
May 08 14:50:33 <plc>so make a hub Lasiter and link them all through and back
May 08 14:50:40 <ben0>veegee: did the same thing myself lol
May 08 14:50:48 <Lassiter>yep sounds like a plan
May 08 14:50:58 <Frank>Hiya soulman
May 08 14:51:03 <soulman>I am building a hub when I have ten sites
May 08 14:51:07 <soulman>hi frank
May 08 14:51:08 <veegee>cool Frank
May 08 14:51:08 <ben0>if you can update the old stuff qwikly id say do that
May 08 14:51:20 <ben0>if not then just start fresh :)
May 08 14:51:23 <Frank>I agree ben0
May 08 14:51:27 <plc>yep
May 08 14:51:53 <Frank>always keep moving forward, if you make a mistake learn from it and just keep going forward
May 08 14:52:05 <Lassiter>Anyone got ideas for good layout tips? I thought veegee had a really good looking page
May 08 14:52:17 <ben0>hmmm
May 08 14:52:31 <ross0>smoke :~)
May 08 14:52:32 <ben0>always have a big fat text link up the top every page
May 08 14:52:41 <plc>as long as it loads fast and looks clean that's what matters Lassiter
May 08 14:52:42 <Security_man>with the h1 tag on it too
May 08 14:52:47 <ben0>ross0 knows his crack
May 08 14:52:51 <Frank>Lassiter, truly, just like any site, there's no one specific way that's better than another.
May 08 14:52:53 <veegee>thanks Lassiter, but that page just sorta fell together
May 08 14:53:13 <ben0>the double breaks from the h1 suck somethimes
May 08 14:53:25 <Security_man>but the spiders like it :))
May 08 14:53:30 <ben0>yah!
May 08 14:53:32 <Lassiter>veegee: Yeah, but it didn't look like it was gonna trap me or anything...it looked friendly and benign lol
May 08 14:53:39 *ben0 grabs a spider and fucks it
May 08 14:53:47 <ben0>excuse me for a minute
May 08 14:53:50 <soulman>What I wish there was a way to track a certain add
May 08 14:53:54 <Bobbiekey>so for one starting out, who doesn't have many free sites... it would be good to have your hub full of niche specific sponsor sites mixed in with what free sites you already have?
May 08 14:53:57 <ben0>sure there is
May 08 14:53:57 <Security_man>now thats ultra niche - spiderfucking.com
May 08 14:53:58 <Frank>Lassiter, I have probably changed hub layout so many times,lol
May 08 14:54:06 <veegee>Lassiter, honestly it's probably too clean!
May 08 14:54:08 <ben0>soulman : you use siccash?
May 08 14:54:12 <soulman>yep
May 08 14:54:16 <soulman>I do
May 08 14:54:17 <ben0>k
May 08 14:54:25 <Rowdy>yes Bobbiekey ... you can even throw gallery links on it from sponsors that offer those
May 08 14:54:26 <plc>yes Bobbiekey..I have a hub just for sponsors alone
May 08 14:54:26 <ben0>well you know those letts at the end of ya code
May 08 14:54:30 <Crawdad>i gotta split everybody, cya later
May 08 14:54:31 <Security_man>there is a way soulman but its a bitch
May 08 14:54:31 <ben0>letters
May 08 14:54:38 <Lassiter>veegee: maybe so..but I suspect one stategy is to *look* clean and then use all the tricks ;)
May 08 14:54:39 <ben0>its easy
May 08 14:54:40 <Frank>ok, I have tried to stay up so far,LOL, has there been anything left unanswered so far?
May 08 14:54:46 <Lassiter>bye Crawdad
May 08 14:54:48 <Bobbiekey>do you mean potd Rowdy?
May 08 14:54:50 <Crawdad>bye all
May 08 14:54:51 <veegee>cya Crawdad
May 08 14:54:53 <ben0>later craw
May 08 14:54:54 <Security_man>cya cdiddy
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May 08 14:54:57 <Bobbiekey>bye Crawdad:))
May 08 14:55:02 <Frank>c ya Crawdad thanks for popping in
May 08 14:55:09 <Rowdy>Bobbiekey .. that as well but some sponsors offer gallery pages as well
May 08 14:55:23 <Rowdy>soulman.. use CE .. you can track almost any link :)
May 08 14:55:32 <ben0>soulman: just use a unique letter for a particualr ad
May 08 14:55:34 <Rowdy>just a tip... not that I'm partial or anything....hahahaha
May 08 14:55:38 <Bobbiekey>i've never heard of that:) i will check it out
May 08 14:55:38 <soulman>the first site I made was from siccash and their browser washer is standard on every along with ac movies pass. Ilkie them casue they are a real bargin and 10.95 a month and freeezine bucks
May 08 14:55:44 <ben0>lol rowdy
May 08 14:55:46 <veegee>lol Rowdy
May 08 14:55:46 <Security_man>does fm give you a bonus for that rowdy LOL
May 08 14:55:54 <plc>Bobbiekey, build your sites with four pages...two gallery pages and two ordinary ones
May 08 14:56:02 <Rowdy>Security_man... comes with the new job :)
May 08 14:56:04 <ben0>sounds good soulman ;)
May 08 14:56:09 <Security_man>new job?
May 08 14:56:21 <Frank>LOL
May 08 14:56:22 <Rowdy>I replaced Jim at CE a month or two ago
May 08 14:56:30 <Bobbiekey>you mean warning page, main page and 2 galleries plc?
May 08 14:56:35 <Security_man>oh KOOL - i gotta sign up then :))
May 08 14:56:41 <Rowdy>:)
May 08 14:56:53 <Frank>Bobbiekey, yes, keep free sites to the basics
May 08 14:56:54 <soulman>ac movie is by far the the best sponsor I have. they even sent me a welcome letter and stuff about site building
May 08 14:57:00 <ross0>Rowdy.. ;)
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May 08 14:57:05 <Bobbiekey>and no more than 20 pics right?
May 08 14:57:07 <Security_man>i always got confused by all the choices that fm gives ya so i never signed up LOL
May 08 14:57:07 <veegee>Rowdy has it been that long, I just found out!
May 08 14:57:10 <plc>well if you have a warning page on the hub, you don't actually need another, but the index page serves as a waring page, plus a main page and then two gallery pages
May 08 14:57:19 <Lassiter>Rowdy: Full disclosure at last?LOLI'll check 'em out now
May 08 14:57:24 <Frank>everyone should think of a free site like a 4 page ad, or a ad in the newspaper...
May 08 14:57:29 <Rowdy>yep veegee ... trust me.. my gray hairs knows how long it's been....lol
May 08 14:57:48 <plc>10 is ok Bobbiekey
May 08 14:57:49 <Rowdy>haha Lassiter
May 08 14:57:51 <soulman>rowdwy are the you the same rowdy of cecash?
May 08 14:57:55 <Frank>people will quickly thumb through it. you will either get there attension or not. they will either buy or not, then go on...
May 08 14:58:06 <bong0>frank: and use the concept of the page 3 girls as a fpa
May 08 14:58:06 <Bobbiekey>but will anyone list you with 10 images on a free site?
May 08 14:58:18 <Rowdy>yes soulman.. there's only one Rowqdy... thank the internet gods for that one :)
May 08 14:58:18 <plc>yes they do Bobbiekey
May 08 14:58:27 <bong0>throwsomething everyone like in their face
May 08 14:58:29 <Bobbiekey>oh!
May 08 14:58:30 <soulman>I have a bookmark on buzz words and phraces.
May 08 14:58:35 <Rowdy>Rowdy even... can't even spell my own nick anymore... shit...lol
May 08 14:58:44 <Frank>no, you need 20 images for the most part, yet, there are a few out there that will list 10 image sites, but few
May 08 14:58:46 <soulman>I try to incoperate as many as I can into a add
May 08 14:58:52 <Security_man>thats okay we all know who roqudyiqy is LOL
May 08 14:59:08 <Rowdy>Most of my linksites will list ten pics... just has to be a good site
May 08 14:59:25 <Bobbiekey>ok... now... to link to my hub from a free site...a bar on the index and last gallery leading to two of my other free sites and my hub?
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May 08 14:59:29 <soulman>I am surprised how link list there are
May 08 14:59:33 <Rowdy>hi ross
May 08 14:59:36 <Frank>when you lay out your pages the pics are just fillers, we have to have them for the link list. you don't want your surfers seeing pics you want them seeing ads
May 08 14:59:39 <plc>that's it Bobbiekey
May 08 14:59:47 <Bobbiekey>:))
May 08 14:59:47 <Frank>wb ross0
May 08 14:59:50 <ross0>hey, conn went down:)
May 08 14:59:57 <ross0>ty
May 08 14:59:58 <Bobbiekey>wb ross0
May 08 15:00:03 <ross0>:)
May 08 15:00:09 <Security_man>its like tv - the shows are why you tune in but the adds are how they make money
May 08 15:00:09 <plc>hey ross...you taking a nap...hehhe
May 08 15:00:24 <veegee>It sounds to me like you have two choices with a hub's purpose: 1- a last ditch effort to sell something, or 2-a semi-linklist for link pop
May 08 15:00:25 <Rowdy>yep SM
May 08 15:00:26 <soulman>I want to them to do more than see an add I have been working on getting them to click the add
May 08 15:00:27 <ross0>no plc, just one eyein it
May 08 15:00:32 <soulman>:)
May 08 15:00:44 <plc>:)
May 08 15:00:50 <Frank>ok, it's nearing the end of chat time. any last minute questions?
May 08 15:01:08 <WillyB>What's a HUB site again Frank?
May 08 15:01:12 <bong0>lol
May 08 15:01:14 <plc>LOL:)
May 08 15:01:15 <Boodrow>Yeah, what's tonight's winning lotto numbers?
May 08 15:01:16 <WillyB>sorry .. I was on the phone
May 08 15:01:17 <Lassiter>Still a plan to make hubs part of a newbie project, Frank?
May 08 15:01:18 <Frank>make sure you come visit us at the newbie board http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/
May 08 15:01:19 <bong0>willybbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
May 08 15:01:21 <ross0>Frank...I got plenty to chew on for a while..thanks :)
May 08 15:01:21 <Bobbiekey>none here Frank... this has been great..:)
May 08 15:01:21 <Security_man>one off topic one - is dmoz totally out of the se picture or do they still have influence?
May 08 15:01:23 <WillyB>roflmao!
May 08 15:01:23 <Frank>LOL WillyB
May 08 15:01:24 <soulman>what is the link to the newbie zone area with your articles on se's?
May 08 15:01:28 <bong0>thanks very much Frank!!!!!!!
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