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<Brad> lassiter the hidden text on the page is for SE's, but i 
 probably get penalized for it.
<soulman> okay I see
<tia> yeah I wouldn't do that Brad, and your meta tags are keyword 
 stuffed.. that can get you penalized too
<Rowdy> brad.. make that text part of a small parageaph to lead in 
for a story site... you get to keep the text, not be penalized for 
it and push a sponsor all at the same time :)
<Brad> great idea rowdy :)
<tia> if you want to do well in the search engines.. don't try to 
 fool them
<Rowdy> ya.. it works well as the picture seeking surfers will look 
right past it
<Brad> Tia, i just ran it thru a meta checker and your right, it 
 said many of the words are way overused and i exceeded the 
 character limits
<Willy_B> ok.. BRB... sorry Rowdy.. about 5 min.. and folks
<Brad> i'll make sure i get that
<tia> give accurate descriptions, and keep your keyword and keyword 
 phrases interesting but not repetative
<Rowdy> k Willy
<Rowdy> any other url's for review?
<Brad> do the image alt tags get used in s.e's as much as regular 
 text?
<GiantGnome> ummmmmmmm
<GiantGnome> maybe
<tia> in google they do Brad.. and other se's too
<Brad> great
<tia> always use the alt tags
<Rowdy> Brad.. I'm really not sure although it sure has seemed to 
help my sites... plus it can be a great place to lead the modem 
surfing surfer where you want them to go
<tia> I know they get used, as I've had searches for phrases that 
 were just in the alt tags
<GiantGnome> oh what the hell. I know I dont have the meta tags yet 
 but here ya go http://naughty-neighbor-girls.com
<GiantGnome> i changed the name and redid everything
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<Brad> giant, you'll want to fix the sponsor link for the "No 
 teasing here. Just cum filled satisfaction." one
<Rowdy> the button inbetween the enter and exit is a broken link due 
to coding
<Rowdy> hi jvastine
<Brad> it wont count your sign ups
<GiantGnome> ugh
<jvastine> hello Rowdy
<tia> your Kara's image seems to be sized wrong in the html
<Rowdy> you also need to make the text around the banner stand out a 
bit more.. different colors and sizes should help
<GiantGnome> ok
<lassiter> Hi jvastine
<Rowdy> http://naughty-neighbor-girls.com/NaughtyNeighborGirls%202.ht
m .. 3 bad links
<Brad> hi jvastine
<GiantGnome> i saw that but how do you fix it
<jvastine> hi lassiter & everybody, hope that all is well with 
 everyone!
<tia> hi jvastine
<Brad> take the space out of the code
<Brad> or place a underscore there
<Rowdy> whatever program you are using to build your html pages is 
adding massive un-needed coding which is what is screwing it up
<GiantGnome> the space where the - seperates the name ?
<Brad> http://naughty-neighbor-girls.com/NaughtyNeighborGirls 4.htm
<GiantGnome> frontpage
<tia> you really should check all of your sponsor links GiantGnome 
 to be sure they're exactly right
<Brad> the space before the 4
<Rowdy> "%22http:/www.maximumcash.com/cgi-bin/maxcash.cgi?id=GiantGno
me&ps=nkamat&quot;&gt;"
<Rowdy> should be
<Rowdy> "http://www.maximumcash.com/cgi-bin/maxcash.cgi?id=GiantGnome
&ps=nkamat"
<tia> I just posted about that the other day GiantGnomefrontpage 
 screws with your code... plus the code on your sponsor links
<GiantGnome> yep Tia I remeber now
<Brad> if you need to use an html editor, try arachnophilia. It 
 doesnt add the spaces or unwanted code and creates tables and 
 everything else
<tia> I didn't know it even re-wrote link codes.. boy, I was shocked!
<GiantGnome> Darn I thought I took care of all the spaces but yep I 
 see the space now
<lassiter> %&#$^&&^* FrontPage
<GiantGnome> lol
<Brad> at least you caught it before you got all the traffic from 
 the big link lists :)
<Rowdy> then on the gallery pages I would add a small text line 
under the middle graphic so some places won't consider it a blind 
link. Just something like "Ann loves greenguy here" or something
<jvastine> lassiter, you mean #%#@&* microshit...I mean soft! lol
<Rowdy> make sure you check everything and correct it.. then repost 
it to the newbie board for another review to be safe :)
<lassiter> I just started playing with PhotoShop 6's web gallery 
 capabilities...man, it takes just as much or more redoing of code 
 than FrontPage does.I guess it's cofigurable, but I was 
 disappointed in how presumptuous it is
<GiantGnome> I have no idea how to do html so my wife was nice 
 enough to pay the 130 for it so Ill stick with it and try to 
 learn it all. Also she will kill me if I stop using it
<tia> you can get firstpage here for free guyshttp://www.evrsoft.co
 m/
<GiantGnome> shhhhhhhh dont let my wife hear you
<tia> great html editor
<tia> lol.. sorry GiantGnome
<Brad> giant, i think frontpage does more to your code then just 
 spacing
<GiantGnome> lol
<Brad> i wanted to say good job in leading the surfer to different 
 ALG tours and schedules
<lassiter> jvastine: Well, yeah...don't get me started there ;)
<Brad> it works much better than just the front page
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<GiantGnome> thank you Brad
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<lassiter> wb waz
<Willy_B> hiya waz
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<Brad> hey Giant, have you got an adult store or anything?
<Rowdy> wb WillyB and waz
<WillyB> thanks Rowdy
<Brad> they are way underused and it might be a great place to have 
 a link right next to your gallery1 and 2 links.
<tia> do you have luck with adult stores Brad?
<WillyB> had someone at the door.. delivering a dvd dora got .. 
 lol.. she is in trouble tonight!
<tia> ohhh a dvd!!
<tia> cool :)
<WillyB> yeah
<WillyB> but now I need to know how much
<WillyB> lol
<Rowdy> lol
<tia> hehe
<Brad> i really just started but the conversions i have been getting 
 are much better than paysites. Generally 1/150 or less.
<WillyB> means the difference between ropes, chains or handcuffs!
<WillyB> LOL
<tia> really? that's great Brad
<lassiter> Brad: Yeah, our adult store does reasonably well for us 
 too
<Rowdy> ya.. if you have traffic that clicks into the adult store 
links.. they usually end up getting something at one point or 
another
<Brad> The key for me has been to be honest. I say you can get this 
 here for this much and have a direct link. They click because 
 they either want to buy or see more about that product.
<WillyB> that is a great way to optimize your traffic... and I agree 
 w/ the technique to Brad
<Brad> Most sites dont consider a link (e.g. "Adult shopping, or our 
 store) as a sponsor link
<Rowdy> yes.. the direct link is just another filtering tool.. good 
use of them it sounds like by ya :)
<Brad> so i get away with 2 banners and a store link also
<lassiter> Brad: Really? They don't?
<Brad> i have been able to get listed with them.
<WillyB> interesting....
<lassiter> U mean if its a text link, and not a banner?'Cause the 
 banner looks like any other sponsor link, I'd suspect
<Brad> i usually have just a galler 1, secure shopping, gallery 2 
 link
<Brad> if the site is really clean other than that it gets by
<soulman> okay what dose a Reciprocallink mean?
<Brad> you button for the link list
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<Rowdy> return link
<lassiter> hi plc
<plc> Hi Everyone
<Rowdy> hi plc
<Brad> hi plc
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<soulman> hmm I am still confused
<Rowdy> Reciprocal link - return link - the url of where you have 
the places link at
<Brad> when you visit an adult site, the buttons for greenguy's and 
 tommys are recip links
<lassiter> soulman: If a link list lists you, they usually expect a 
 link on your suite back to them to bring them traffic from your 
 surfers
<Brad> usually a button or text link
<lassiter> suite=site
<lassiter> <---can't type
<Brad> lol
<soulman> oI understand that so I have to put button on before I 
 sumbit a page?
<lassiter> soulman: Usually, yes
<soulman> okay now I understand I think
<lassiter> Some linklists automatically scan your page for the recip 
 link as soon as you submit it
<GiantGnome> .
<GiantGnome> .
<Brad> soulman, your better off checking the sites rules page. It 
 generally gives examples of the recip links and other rules.
<GiantGnome> oye
<GiantGnome> sorry about that. I hope I didnt miss anything
<WillyB> soulman .. the rules will always tell you if you need to 
 have the recip up Before you hit submit!
<WillyB> on all that I have submitted to that require it anyway ;)
<lassiter> LOL...yep.."always" is not a word to use on this stuff ;)
<Rowdy> http://www.onlineadults.com/amateuradventures/ .. the 
reciprocal links are on that page for that site
<WillyB> lol.. yep lassiter .. that is very true ;))
<GiantGnome> Brad I just scrolled up and Nope no store
<plc> which sites are being reviewed today guys ?
<Rowdy> any that someone ask us to do :)
<plc> would you take a look at mone?
<Brad> soulman i saw your post on the message board. Just pick out 
 4-6 sites that you want to submit your site to. Then go to their 
 link page and find their recip buttons and save them to your 
 harddrive. Then on your warning page place them pointing to their 
 sites. Most like to be above the enter link.
<GiantGnome> about the text colors. Change all text to same color ?
<plc> mine even,,:)
<Rowdy> sure
<plc> http://www.onlinezex.com
<Brad> another example of what your recip links might look like is 
 http://www.synnocent.com/nude-amateur/
<plc> thanks Rowdy
<GiantGnome> i just changed it from yellow to Green
<Rowdy> plc.. that pop up warning will cost you visitors usually
<Brad> i closed it out already on accident
<plc> is it better to have an enter warning?
<Brad> yes
<GiantGnome> although it seems like frontpage is running slow in 
 publishing the change
<Rowdy> I think so.. I use to use the pop ups and watched my enter 
traffic increase noticiably when I sropped it
<plc> ok thanks..I'll change that
<Rowdy> dropped it even
<Brad> greenguy and many other sites dont allow any pop ups, so if 
 you want to still have the pop up just have a seperate warning 
 page for link lists
<plc> ok
<Rowdy> hmm.. net problem.. on 1024 resolution.. it's all kicked to 
the left and your bacground just kinda "ends"
<Rowdy> background pic that is
<Brad> Giant- Check out http://www.imfc.com as an adult store. 
 Greenguy got me onto there store program over a year ago.
<GiantGnome> ok thank you
<GiantGnome> working out for you ?
<plc> hmmmm..didn't think of that happening
<Brad> then your store is usually at store.whatever.com
<WillyB> Brad.. the nude amateur site.. it loaded upto the recips.. 
 then took 30 seconds to load the half with the enter button.. 
<GiantGnome> ok
<Brad> it's working very well. you can see an example at 
 http://store.porn-linkz.com
<Rowdy> see ythat pop up also happens each time they click a link 
and then come back.. irratate the surfer and they usually won't 
spend money
<GiantGnome> great
<Brad> willyb- i just found a free site with recips as an example, 
 i'm not sure who's site that was.
<plc> yep, gotcha Rowdy
<WillyB> ah.. ok! lol
<Brad> hehe
<WillyB> it was a good example of what we're talking about too ;)
<Brad> hmmmm, i think i found out why my store sales have decreased 
 the past day
<GiantGnome> Time for me to pick kids up from school. Thanks Tia 
 Brad Rowdy for your advice
<Brad> it appears my stores dns info has changed and isnt 
 configurated
<Rowdy> have a good one GiantGnome
<GiantGnome> yep
<lassiter> bye GG
<GiantGnome> bye
<Brad> have a great day Giant
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<Rowdy> plc . http://www.onlinezex.com/latinos/index.html broken 
images
<plc> thanks..I'll fix that
<Rowdy> plc.. so is this a hub site?
<plc> yep
<Rowdy> I like it.. I wold move the two text links on the left to 
the middle like the rest but it looks pretty good to me :)
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<plc> thanks Rowdy, it's good to get a valued opinion...I'll put the 
 suggestions into effect
<Rowdy> one other ? ... why the recips to linklists if it's a hub 
site?
<Rowdy> they aren't listing it are they?
<plc> some are
<plc> is it better to have the links on the individual sites?
<Rowdy> cool! well.. those that don't remember to remove them :)
<plc> ok will do..thanks
<Rowdy> well.. on hub sites I prefer to have the traffic be all mine 
or my sponsors :)
<plc> good thinking thanks
<Rowdy> but folks do theirs differently as well :) If it makes 
money... I'd be happy...lol
<Brad> plc did you create the images and everything yourself?
<plc> yep did all my own
<Brad> very impressive
<Rowdy> looks good
<Brad> :0
<Brad> :)
<plc> have another at http://www.xtremezex.com bondage site
<soulman> okay how will I know if a link got accepted?
<plc> thanks
<Brad> you will see an increase in traffic
<WillyB> if you don't get an email from them.. then check your stats
<Brad> you can check referrer stats in a tracker
<Brad> or just check back to the site
<WillyB> or.. check the list and see if it is listed in the cagagory 
 you submitted to
<WillyB> yeah.. exactly what Brad said! :)
<Brad> give it about 3-6 days for greenguy, tommy's, etc.
<Rowdy> plc.. the lay out on that is pretty sharp.. if possible, I'd 
try to stack the enter images into more of the "stair" effect .. 
it will lead the surefer a bit more imho
<plc> can you be a bit more explicit Rowdy...not sure i know what 
 you mean
<Rowdy> well. the way the bottom banners are it creates a "stair" 
effect... if you can continue that on.. it loks like the chick is 
climbing the stairs to the "top" .. bet the top link on those 
"stairs" wold get cliked more than others :)
<plc> oh right..:)
<Rowdy> btw, my typing sucks really bad today...lol
<plc> hehehe, that's ok..I am learning foreign characters too..:)
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<WillyB> that makes a lot of sense Rowdy'
<Rowdy> :)
<Rowdy> well.. guess that brings this chat to an end
<Brad> 4is taking notes
<Rowdy> thanks to all of you that showed up for it!
<Brad> it's been a huge help to me
<Brad> thanks to all of you :)
<plc> Thanks for all your help guys, appreciate it
<Rowdy> hopefully it proved a bit useful at least :)
<Brad> definately
<plc> very for me Rowdy
<Rowdy> good to hear! :)
<Brad> see you guys tomorrow for willybcdc :)
<Brad> have a great day all
<Rowdy> Remember, sites will always be reviewed on the board as well 
http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/multiforum/newbieboard/index.phtml